""I do agree with you that there is scriptures that teach us the believer today can become unsaved.""
Hey Walter I highlighted/quoted your text then just kindly asked for verses from Paul that support your response :)
Is it possible to lose salvation?
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Hey Walter I highlighted/quoted your text then just kindly asked for verses from Paul that support your response :)
all Good Nancy!This is pretty clear (to myself) that Paul thought it was possible to lose salvation.
1 Corinthians 9:27
"But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway."
I am sorry. I am off topic like many other posts here LoveYeshua
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Yet that verse does not teach that Paul was worried about losing his Salvation.
What verses from Paul do ?
List the verses from Paul that :-
He was worried about losing his Salvation.
A Saint today can become UNsaved :)
There are scriptures that explain things related to Salvation and Everlasting life which ones do you want?
- Baptism.
- Salvation is a free gift.
- Salvation is by God's grace.
- Should we know God and Obey the Good News of our Lord Jesus?
- Believe in Christ Jesus.
- Endure to the end.
- Other.
Of course I disagree, Paul was not the only one preaching to the gentiles, Jesus Himself never divided the gospel by race or handed it to only one man. After His resurrection, Jesus spoke to all the apostles and said, “Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations” (Matthew 28:19, NKJV). He did not say this work would later belong to Paul alone. He gave the same mission to all whom He chose.
Jesus also spoke about Gentiles before Paul was ever called. He said, “And other sheep I have which are not of this fold; them also I must bring” (John 10:16, NKJV). These “other sheep” are Gentiles, and Jesus says He will bring them, not replace His shepherds with a new one. Did he not speak to the Samaritan woman, a gentile?, see John 4.
Peter was directly chosen by God to open the door to the Gentiles. In Acts 10, God gave Peter the vision, sent him to Cornelius, and poured out the Holy Spirit on Gentiles while Peter was still speaking. Peter later explains this event clearly: “God made choice among us, that by my mouth the Gentiles should hear the word of the gospel and believe”(Acts 15:7, NKJV). This statement is very important. Peter says God chose him, not temporarily, and not before Paul only, but by God’s own decision, it is on Peter that the church was built, Jesus said to Him;
"And I also say to you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build My church, and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it."(Matthew 16:18) It becomes evident that it is on the work of Peter that the the church was built then, not Paul. Remember Jesus the Son of God was also a prophet and knew all that would Happen it is why he said and I repeat on purpose hoping it will sink in; And I also say to you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build My church, and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it.
After Paul’s conversion, Peter did not stop ministering to Gentiles. In Acts 11, Peter defends what happened with Cornelius before the church in Jerusalem, and they glorify God saying, “Then God has also granted to the Gentiles repentance to life” (Acts 11:18, NKJV). No one says Peter’s role ended.
Acts 15 does not transfer authority to Paul. The council meets because Gentiles are already coming to faith through different apostles. Peter speaks first and reminds them of what God did through him among the Gentiles (Acts 15:7–11). Then James gives the final judgment, not Paul (Acts 15:13–19). This shows shared leadership, not a handover of the gospel to one man.
Even after Acts 15, Peter continues to write to Gentile believers. He addresses his letters to believers scattered among the nations (1 Peter 1:1). John also writes to churches made up largely of Gentiles (Revelation 1:4). None of them say their mission ended or was replaced.
So the Bible shows this clearly. Jesus gave the mission to all the apostles. Peter was chosen by God to open the door to the Gentiles. Paul was also called to serve Gentiles, but Scripture never says the gospel to the nations became Paul’s domain alone. The gospel belongs to Christ, and Christ sent many servants, not one replacement.
This agrees fully with Jesus’ words: “One is your Teacher, the Christ, and you are all brethren” (Matthew 23:8, NKJV).
Blessings.
Verses from Paul that teach :-
He was worried about losing his Salvation
Saints today can become UNsaved
Let the verses do your talking :)
I was telling Nancy that she can go beyond the opening post topic like she asked me, I stated no more. I have not yet examined the verses Nancy used but knowing her she is probably right. if you want me to comment also let me know.
Hey LY, yes please comment :)
What are the verses FROM PAUL that teach :-
He was worried about LOSING his salvation
Saints 'today' can become UNsaved.
Let the verses do the talking :)
I found a few verses that say clearly that believers today can lose salvation and also what Nancy was saying that Paul was indeed concerned that he also, if not careful, could be losing salvation;
Here are Paul’s own words that clearly show a believer can fall away, be cut off, or fail to inherit life. I will quote them directly and then explain them in simple language.
Paul warns believers, not unbelievers.
“You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.”
Galatians 5:4 (NKJV)
Paul says people who were in grace can fall from grace. You cannot fall from something you were never in.
“Therefore let him who thinks he stands take heed lest he fall.”
1 Corinthians 10:12 (NKJV)
Paul warns believers who think they are safe to be careful, because falling is possible.
“But I discipline my body and bring it into subjection, lest, when I have preached to others, I myself should become disqualified.”
1 Corinthians 9:27 (NKJV)
Paul says even he himself could be disqualified if he does not remain faithful.
“Indeed you stand by faith. Do not be haughty, but fear. For if God did not spare the natural branches, He may not spare you either… Otherwise you also will be cut off.”
Romans 11:20–22 (NKJV)
This is very clear. Believers who stand by faith can still be cut off if they do not continue in God’s goodness.
“For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins”
Hebrews 10:26 (NKJV)
This speaks of people who already received the truth, yet can fall into a state where judgment remains.
(Yes, this book is in the same New Testament Paul refers to and agrees with his warnings.)
“Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith”
1 Timothy 4:1 (NKJV)
You cannot depart from the faith unless you were once in it.
“If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered”
John 15:6 (NKJV)
Paul’s warnings agree with Jesus. Remaining in the faith does matter.
Paul never teaches that believers are unable to fall away. He repeatedly warns believers that salvation requires continuing, abiding, standing, and remaining faithful. Being sealed is not a license to stop obeying God. It is a call to remain in Him.
This fits perfectly with what Jesus taught:
“He who endures to the end shall be saved.”
Matthew 24:13 (NKJV)
The message is about faithfulness. God is faithful, and He keeps those who keep walking with Him. this is what I always believed in, because it is written and it is the truth.
Here are Paul’s own words that clearly show a believer can fall away, be cut off, or fail to inherit life. I will quote them directly and then explain them in simple language.
Paul warns believers, not unbelievers.
“You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.”
Galatians 5:4 (NKJV)
Paul says people who were in grace can fall from grace. You cannot fall from something you were never in.
“Therefore let him who thinks he stands take heed lest he fall.”
1 Corinthians 10:12 (NKJV)
Paul warns believers who think they are safe to be careful, because falling is possible.
“But I discipline my body and bring it into subjection, lest, when I have preached to others, I myself should become disqualified.”
1 Corinthians 9:27 (NKJV)
Paul says even he himself could be disqualified if he does not remain faithful.
“Indeed you stand by faith. Do not be haughty, but fear. For if God did not spare the natural branches, He may not spare you either… Otherwise you also will be cut off.”
Romans 11:20–22 (NKJV)
This is very clear. Believers who stand by faith can still be cut off if they do not continue in God’s goodness.
“For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins”
Hebrews 10:26 (NKJV)
This speaks of people who already received the truth, yet can fall into a state where judgment remains.
(Yes, this book is in the same New Testament Paul refers to and agrees with his warnings.)
“Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith”
1 Timothy 4:1 (NKJV)
You cannot depart from the faith unless you were once in it.
“If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered”
John 15:6 (NKJV)
Paul’s warnings agree with Jesus. Remaining in the faith does matter.
Paul never teaches that believers are unable to fall away. He repeatedly warns believers that salvation requires continuing, abiding, standing, and remaining faithful. Being sealed is not a license to stop obeying God. It is a call to remain in Him.
This fits perfectly with what Jesus taught:
“He who endures to the end shall be saved.”
Matthew 24:13 (NKJV)
The message is about faithfulness. God is faithful, and He keeps those who keep walking with Him. this is what I always believed in, because it is written and it is the truth.
Then so far you have failed :-
Gal 5:4 Fallen from grace is not lose salvation
Can Salvation Be Lost By Falling From Grace? Galatians 5:4
Is is possible to lose your salvation by "falling from grace," as Paul warned the Galatians?
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What does it mean to take heed lest you fall (1 Corinthians 10:12)? | GotQuestions.org
What does it mean to take heed lest you fall? What is the meaning of 1 Corinthians 10:12?
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Paul is addressing his suitability to preach NOT lose salvation
Rom ch's 9-11 - Paul is addressing Israel
1 Tim 4:1 is NOT lose salvation
Why does it say in 1 Timothy 4:1 that some will depart from the faith? | GotQuestions.org
Why does it say in 1 Timothy 4:1 that some will depart from the faith? What does it mean to depart from the faith?
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1 Corinthians 9:27: No, I strike a blow to my body and make it my slave so that after I have preached to others, I myself will not be disqualified for the prize. (NIV).
1 Corinthians 10:12: If you think you are standing firm you had better be careful that you do not fall. Good News Translation
Galatians 5:4: You have been severed from Christ, you who are seeking to be justified by the Law; you have fallen from grace.
New American Standard Bible
Hebrews 3:12 Take heed, brothers, lest ever there will be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, into falling away from the living God.
Berean Literal Bible
1 Corinthians 15:2:
by which you also are saved, if you hold firmly to the word which I preached to you, unless you believed in vain. New American Standard Bible
Romans 11:22
Consider therefore the goodness and severity of God: on those who fell, severity; but on you, goodness, if you continue in his goodness: otherwise you also will be cut off. Lamsa Bible
Galatians 1:8-9
But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse! 9 As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let them be under God’s curse!
New International Version
How are we saved/sealed/justified ?
Eph 1:13, 1 Cor 15:1-4 ARE saved/sealed/justified - NOW, not future but ARE NOW
Titu 3:5, Gal 2:16, Eph 2:8-9, Rom 3:28, Rom 4:5, Rom 5:1 the conditions.
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- Heb 3:12 Where does Paul claim to be the author of Hebrews?
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-1 Cor 9:27 But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.
How does that teach become UNsaved ?
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- Gal 5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
Are we JUSTIFIED by faith or the law ? Who is the warning to ? "whosoever of you are justified by the law"
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- 1 Cor 10:12 Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.
How does that teach Saints today can become UNsaved ?
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- Rom ch's 9-11 Paul is addressing ISRAEL
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Gal 1:8-9 A warning to those teaching a false Gospel = accursed
Where does ACCUSED = lose salvation ?
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Did not Christ come to set us free?
Is it possible that one of the things He came to set us free from, is our own earthly wisdom?
The Pharisees spent a great deal of time and energy codifying a religious system, do this, don't do that, touch not, taste not etc. And yet Christ had many rather unpleasant things to say to them, and about them. He called them white washed tombs and children of the devil.
He spoke of two men who went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee, the other a Publican. The Pharisee thought he had it all figured out, he prayed with himself. The Publican couldn't even look into heaven, his sins so far above his head. But the Publican went away justified, and probably wasn't even remotely aware of the infinite mercy and grace which had been so freely poured out upon him by his Creator.
Which of these would you suspect was most sound in his doctrine? And which of these is now worshipping before Gods merciful throne?
Can one lose his salvation? Maybe.
Can one be certain within himself to be in possession of that which he has truly never known?
Most assuredly.
Is it possible that one of the things He came to set us free from, is our own earthly wisdom?
The Pharisees spent a great deal of time and energy codifying a religious system, do this, don't do that, touch not, taste not etc. And yet Christ had many rather unpleasant things to say to them, and about them. He called them white washed tombs and children of the devil.
He spoke of two men who went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee, the other a Publican. The Pharisee thought he had it all figured out, he prayed with himself. The Publican couldn't even look into heaven, his sins so far above his head. But the Publican went away justified, and probably wasn't even remotely aware of the infinite mercy and grace which had been so freely poured out upon him by his Creator.
Which of these would you suspect was most sound in his doctrine? And which of these is now worshipping before Gods merciful throne?
Can one lose his salvation? Maybe.
Can one be certain within himself to be in possession of that which he has truly never known?
Most assuredly.
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The question is whether a man can be plucked out of Jesus' hand.
And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
So you do not find the scriptures I listed as useful, to the subject of Salvation?
Thankyou but I'm not a stranger to those verses.
Gal 5:3-4
3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.
4Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
Who is the warning to ?
whosoever of you are justified by the law;
How are believers saved today ?
By grace or by the law ?
Why do you believe a warning to the law justified applies to the grace justified ?
Still a lot of waffle to answer the thread's question in the title of this thread which only requires a "Yes" or a "No" answer.
In the Opening post, a lot of words were placed as quoted below, however does this tread require our justification as to whether or not we believe we can lose our salvation.
Below is the opening post in this thread: -
I have said three times above that the answer is "yes", we can lose our salvation.
This thread should have birth four other threads.
The initial question would be, "How do I, or what must I do, to gain God's Salvation?"
The second question would be, "How Can I maintain God's gift of salvation, just for me?"
The third question would be, "What should I not do such that I lose my Salvation?" And,
The fourth question would be, "How do I go about restoring my Salvation, after I have abandoned it?"
If someone starts these four threads, remember the KISS principle, Keep it Simple Stupid.
Otherwise, you are following what the Pharisees were doing in Jesus' day.
In the Opening post, a lot of words were placed as quoted below, however does this tread require our justification as to whether or not we believe we can lose our salvation.
Below is the opening post in this thread: -
I have said three times above that the answer is "yes", we can lose our salvation.
This thread should have birth four other threads.
The initial question would be, "How do I, or what must I do, to gain God's Salvation?"
The second question would be, "How Can I maintain God's gift of salvation, just for me?"
The third question would be, "What should I not do such that I lose my Salvation?" And,
The fourth question would be, "How do I go about restoring my Salvation, after I have abandoned it?"
If someone starts these four threads, remember the KISS principle, Keep it Simple Stupid.
Otherwise, you are following what the Pharisees were doing in Jesus' day.
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