Apostle Paul's REAL Tongue Interpreter Teaching

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Men's doctrines have even turned the idea of languages and an interpreter that Apostle Paul spoke of in 1 Corinthians 14 into an idea that the true cloven tongue manifests in the Church as 'gibberish', and requires someone present to interpret by The Spirit. They go outside of how the true cloven tongue of Pentecost manifested per Acts 2. A close study of 1 Corinthians 14 reveals Paul was talking about KNOWN languages of the world, and an interpreter that can TRANSLATE for one coming into the Church that speaks a different language of the world.

1 Cor 14
14 Follow after charity, and desire spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy.


Understand, that to 'prophesy' means to teach in a KNOWN language of the world so the people can understand. Paul is not referring to the cloven tongue with that.

2 For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.

In the Greek, that word "unknown" there in the KJV is NOT in the manuscripts. The KJV translators added it. Paul is pointing to KNOWN languages of the world there, not an unknown language.

And what he says there is so, that if someone comes into the Church that speaks another language other than those present speak, then that new person would just be speaking to God and to himself, for no one else would understand. And even when we pray using the words of our own language of birth to God, we are praying in The Spirit, even if others present hear us that don't speak our particular language of birth.

3 But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort.

To prophesy, according to Apostle Paul, means to teach with edification, exhortation and comfort, and that... means the hearer has to first be able to understand the speaker.

4 He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.

Again, strike out that word "unknown", it was added. It is not in the Greek manuscripts of this whole 1 Corinthians 14 Chapter.

5 I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.

Notice Paul says above that he wished that the whole Church spake in "tongues" (in the plural sense). But I thought the gibberish speech some claim is the true cloven tongue is but ONE tongue that manifests as different languages to each person present? That's what Acts 2 shows anyway.

Notice how Paul contrasts the idea of speaking in a different language with prophesying (teaching with understanding).

And then notice how Paul says unless the one speaking in a different language also interprets for the Church, then how will they understand what's being spoken? Paul is referring to different languages of the world, not a gibberish unknown tongue.

6 Now, brethren, if I come unto you speaking with tongues, what shall I profit you, except I shall speak to you either by revelation, or by knowledge, or by prophesying, or by doctrine?
7 And even things without life giving sound, whether pipe or harp, except they give a distinction in the sounds, how shall it be known what is piped or harped?
8 For if the trumpet give an uncertain sound, who shall prepare himself to the battle?
9 So likewise ye, except ye utter by the tongue
words easy to be understood, how shall it be known what is spoken? for ye shall speak into the air.

Again Paul compares speaking with words easy to be understood compared with someone who speaks in a different language of the world that no one present can understand.

10 There are, it may be, so many kinds of voices in the world, and none of them is without signification.
11 Therefore if I know not the meaning of the voice, I shall be unto him that speaketh a barbarian, and he that speaketh shall be a barbarian unto me.


The idea of a "barbarian" per the Greek simply means 'a foreigner'. What do foreigners speak? they speak in different 'known'... languages of the world.


12 Even so ye, forasmuch as ye are zealous of spiritual gifts, seek that ye may excel to the edifying of the church.
13 Wherefore let him that speaketh in an
unknown tongue pray that he may interpret.
14 For if I pray in an
unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.
15 What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.
16 Else when thou shalt bless with the spirit, how shall he that occupieth the room of the unlearned say Amen at thy giving of thanks, seeing he understandeth not what thou sayest?
17 For thou verily givest thanks well, but the other is not edified.

The gibberish believer instead believes Paul was pointing to a gibberish unknown tongue with that, but that is not Paul's subject. Paul was pointing to speaking in a different known languages of the world to those present who don't speak that language. Unless the speaker also interprets, those people won't be able to understand. And note especially what Paul says next in connection with that...

18 I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than ye all:

Paul spoke several known languages of the world, Hebrew, Greek, Aramaic, Latin, Coptic, etc.

19 Yet in the church I had rather speak five words with my understanding, that by my voice I might teach others also, than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue.
20 Brethren, be not children in understanding: howbeit in malice be ye children, but in understanding be men.
21
In the law it is written, "'With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear Me', saith the Lord."

By Paul quoting the above from Isaiah 28 as an example of the tongues he refers to here, that reveals the sense of the type of tongues Paul was pointing to, i.e., KNOWN languages of the world, not some gibberish unknown tongue.

22 Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.
23 If therefore the whole church be come together into one place, and all speak with tongues, and there come in those that are unlearned, or unbelievers, will they not say that ye are mad?
24 But if all prophesy, and there come in one that believeth not,
or one unlearned, he is convinced of all, he is judged of all:

The true cloven tongue of Pentecost is not 'learned'. But known languages of the world are learned. That is another indicator by Paul here that he is talking about KNOWN languages of the world, and not the cloven tongue.

25 And thus are the secrets of his heart made manifest; and so falling down on his face he will worship God, and report that God is in you of a truth.
26 How is it then, brethren? when ye come together, every one of you hath a psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a tongue, hath a revelation, hath an interpretation. Let all things be done unto edifying.
27 If any man speak in an
unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret.
28 But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.
KJV


It truly would be madness if many brethren who each spoke a different known language of the world came together, and they couldn't understand each other. That... is the matter Paul is pointing to. So let at the most 2 or 3, one after the other, speak, and let one who knows their foreign language interpret for the rest of the Church. That... is the subject by Paul here, not the cloven tongue of Pentecost.

The True Cloven Tongue of Pentecost:

Needs no language interpreter.

Goes out in KNOWN languages to each person that hears it.

Manifests in the very DIALECTS of KNOWN languages of the world. That means the SLANG of a particular known language of the world, accents and all.

Is the actual single tongue all nations once spoke prior to the Babel event, and the future tongue God has promised to return all peoples to speaking again, per Zephaniah 3:8-9.
 
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The True Cloven Tongue of Pentecost:

Needs no language interpreter.

Goes out in KNOWN languages to each person that hears it.

Manifests in the very DIALECTS of KNOWN languages of the world. That means the SLANG of a particular known language of the world, accents and all.

Is the actual single tongue all nations once spoke prior to the Babel event, and the future tongue God has promised to return all peoples to speaking again, per Zephaniah 3:8-9.
Wrong. Supernatural tongues requires supernatural interpretation, thus the gift of interpretation of tongues. That is what allowed the DEVOUT Jews to each understand all of them, the 120, in their own foreign tongue. It opened their minds to want to find out more. Then when Peter spoke his explanation in Hebrew or whatever the Jews common language was (bilingual Jews), they readily accepted Christ.
 
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Men's doctrines have even turned the idea of languages and an interpreter that Apostle Paul spoke of in 1 Corinthians 14 into an idea that the true cloven tongue manifests in the Church as 'gibberish', and requires someone present to interpret by The Spirit. They go outside of how the true cloven tongue of Pentecost manifested per Acts 2. A close study of 1 Corinthians 14 reveals Paul was talking about KNOWN languages of the world, and an interpreter that can TRANSLATE for one coming into the Church that speaks a different language of the world.

1 Cor 14
14 Follow after charity, and desire spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy.


Understand, that to 'prophesy' means to teach in a KNOWN language of the world so the people can understand. Paul is not referring to the cloven tongue with that.

2 For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.

In the Greek, that word "unknown" there in the KJV is NOT in the manuscripts. The KJV translators added it. Paul is pointing to KNOWN languages of the world there, not an unknown language.
FYI - a 'cloven' tongue is the serpents forked/split tongue from Genesis and throughout world history to our LORD's 2nd Coming

Acts 2:3

They
αὐτοῖς (autois)
Personal / Possessive Pronoun - Dative Masculine 3rd Person Plural
Strong's Greek 846: He, she, it, they, them, same. From the particle au; the reflexive pronoun self, used of the third person, and of the other persons.

saw
ὤφθησαν (ōphthēsan)
Verb - Aorist Indicative Passive - 3rd Person Plural
Strong's Greek 3708: Properly, to stare at, i.e. to discern clearly; by extension, to attend to; by Hebraism, to experience; passively, to appear.

tongues
γλῶσσαι (glōssai)
Noun - Nominative Feminine Plural
Strong's Greek 1100: The tongue; by implication, a language.

like
ὡσεὶ (hōsei)
Adverb
Strong's Greek 5616: As if, as it were, like; with numbers: about. From hos and ei; as if.

flames of a fire
πυρός (pyros)
Noun - Genitive Neuter Singular
Strong's Greek 4442: Fire; the heat of the sun, lightning; fig: strife, trials; the eternal fire. A primary word; 'fire'.

that separated
διαμεριζόμεναι (diamerizomenai)
Verb - Present Participle Middle or Passive - Nominative Feminine Plural
Strong's Greek 1266: To divide up into parts, break up; I distribute. From dia and merizo; to partition thoroughly.

and
καὶ (kai)
Conjunction
Strong's Greek 2532: And, even, also, namely.

came to rest
ἐκάθισεν (ekathisen)
Verb - Aorist Indicative Active - 3rd Person Singular
Strong's Greek 2523: Another form for kathezomai; to seat down, i.e. Set; intransitively, to sit; figuratively, to settle.

on
ἐφ’ (eph’)
Preposition
Strong's Greek 1909: On, to, against, on the basis of, at.

each
ἕκαστον (hekaston)
Adjective - Accusative Masculine Singular
Strong's Greek 1538: Each (of more than two), every one. As if a superlative of hekas; each or every.

ἕνα (hena)
Adjective - Accusative Masculine Singular
Strong's Greek 1520: One. (including the neuter Hen); a primary numeral; one.

of them.
αὐτῶν (autōn)
Personal / Possessive Pronoun - Genitive Masculine 3rd Person Plural
Strong's Greek 846: He, she, it, they, them, same. From the particle au; the reflexive pronoun self, used of the third person, and of the other persons.
 

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Wrong. Supernatural tongues requires supernatural interpretation, thus the gift of interpretation of tongues.

Nope... that's NOT the idea Apostle Paul was teaching in 1 Corinthians 14. The KJV word "unknown" is NOT EVEN IN THE GREEK MANUSCRIPTS THERE! The KJV translators ADDED that word.

And per HOW the cloven tongue manifested on Pentecost PER GOD'S WRITTEN WORD IN ACTS 2, it was NOT a gibberish tongue that needed an interpreter! Everyone present from all those different nations listed heard IN THEIR OWN LANGUAGE OF BIRTH. That was NOT a gibberish tongue.

You simply have been deceived by men who worship the idea of 'miracles' in general, and don't have The Spirit of discernment to know the difference with how the devil and his servants can also work miracles:

 

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Nope... that's NOT the idea Apostle Paul was teaching in 1 Corinthians 14. The KJV word "unknown" is NOT EVEN IN THE GREEK MANUSCRIPTS THERE! The KJV translators ADDED that word.

And per HOW the cloven tongue manifested on Pentecost PER GOD'S WRITTEN WORD IN ACTS 2, it was NOT a gibberish tongue that needed an interpreter! Everyone present from all those different nations listed heard IN THEIR OWN LANGUAGE OF BIRTH. That was NOT a gibberish tongue.

You simply have been deceived by men who worship the idea of 'miracles' in general, and don't have The Spirit of discernment to know the difference with how the devil and his servants can also work miracles:

Scripture doesn't really even need the word "unknown" to be added seeing as it is already clear that with regards to tongues, "no man understands." 1 Corinthians 14:2 is the rule that you are trying to change for you to pervert what happened in Acts 2 to your liking, even though Luke is emphasizing the devout Jews each HEARING THEM, all of them, like a choir. The book of Acts of the Apostles was written eleven years after the first letter to the Corinthians, but all Christians back then were given, at least, the authority to speak in tongues if they chose to do so, Mark 16:16-18, with no interpretation needed, as they are praying or praising God who already knows all languages. Tongues was not for preaching to large crowds in their language, otherwise, what is the purpose of the gift of interpretation of tongues? So Paul could understand them? Ha! Another perversion. I see you believe tongues is of the devil. No wonder you want to pervert God's gifts. We born again of the Holy Spirit Christians whom the Spirit has given gifts from our New Covenant aren't the ones with the devil in them. It is the devil that wants to pervert the gifts of God by counterfeiting them in all his religions and sects. Even ones claiming to be "Christian." What you are presenting is why tongues was a SIGN to unbelievers and the uninformed and prejudiced. 1 Corinthians 14:22.

2 For he who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God, for no one understands him; however, in the spirit he speaks mysteries.
 

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Scripture doesn't really even need the word "unknown" to be added seeing as it is already clear that with regards to tongues, "no man understands." 1 Corinthians 14:2 is the rule that you are trying to change for you to pervert what happened in Acts 2 to your liking, even though Luke is emphasizing the devout Jews each HEARING THEM, all of them, like a choir.

You are applying men's doctrines on 1 Cor.14:2 when Paul was speaking of 'known' languages of the world. You MUST refer to the Acts 2 example of 'how' the cloven tongue manifested on Pentecost IF... you are going to claim speaking the cloven tongue. No side-stepping like you've been wrongly taught to do.

Did you see all that 'confusion' in that video by Andrew Strong, a member of the Charismatic movement himself that is worried at all those un-Biblical manifestations happening in those churches? And those churches 'claim'... to speak the cloven tongue of Pentecost!

Another thing that is very telling about those type of churches, most all... of them hold to the false Pre-trib Rapture theory from John Nelson Darby who first preached it in 1830's Great Britain. The reason that is another tell-tell sign about those churches, is that Christ has a purpose for the The Holy Spirit speaking through His elect DURING the coming "great tribulation", and that is actually the example that Apostle Peter was pointing to when he quoted from Joel 2. You can read about what Jesus told His servants to do during that coming tribulation, per Mark 13 in His Olivet discourse.

And oh yeah, there's yet another... tell-tell sign of those churches that claim to speak the cloven tongue of Pentecost, many of them claim Christ's Olivet discourse is for the JEWS, and NOT for Christ's Church! That is such a LIE from devils.

If you think you speak the cloven tongue of Pentecost, then I suggest you pray that it will be understood by all present that hear in their OWN language of birth, because that is HOW the TRUE cloven tongue of Pentecost manifested per Acts 2.

Acts 10:44-48
44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.

45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.

46
For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,

47
Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?

48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.
KJV


Now how... would Peter and those Jews with him 'understand' what those Gentiles were speaking by The Holy Spirit? If it were gibberish they would not understand their magnifying God.
 

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2 For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.

You are applying men's doctrines on 1 Cor.14:2 when Paul was speaking of 'known' languages of the world. You MUST refer to the Acts 2 example of 'how' the cloven tongue manifested on Pentecost IF... you are going to claim speaking the cloven tongue. No side-stepping like you've been wrongly taught to do.
The doctrine of man is what you believe, and why 1 Corinthians 14:22 about tongues being a sign to unbelievers and the uninformed. Do you know why tongues is a sign to unbelievers?
 

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Did you see all that 'confusion' in that video by Andrew Strong, a member of the Charismatic movement himself that is worried at all those un-Biblical manifestations happening in those churches? And those churches 'claim'... to speak the cloven tongue of Pentecost!
That was regarding one church headed by Todd Bentley who divorced his wife to marry the church secretary. That woman was possessed and produced signs of a kindulini spirit. Not tongues, but shaking her head back in forth violently, the same as what happens in India. Those of us who have the actual Holy Spirit do not sin. Many in his church who were too dumb to leave became possessed as well.

Davy, it had nothing to do with tongues. That is just pure ignorance and willful blaspheming of a gift of the Holy Spirit which you know nothing about, even when it is spelled out to you in 1 Corinthians 14:2 and Acts 2. Your natural conclusion of Acts 2 has made you change the rule of 1 Cor. 14:2 that NO MAN UNDERSTANDS TONGUES NATURALLY, BUT SUPERNATURALLY BY ANOTHER GIFT OF THE SAME HOLY SPIRIT. I know you don't know any better for you are a natural man and see no bennefit to the real gift of tongues. 1 Cor. 2:14.

Stop all this blashemy of God's gifts and associating the gift with the devil!
 
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The doctrine of man is what you believe, and why 1 Corinthians 14:22 about tongues being a sign to unbelievers and the uninformed. Do you know why tongues is a sign to unbelievers?

On the contrary, the doctrine on the cloven tongue I preach comes directly... from God's written Word, particularly Acts 2 where EVERYONE present heard in their OWN LANGUAGE OF BIRTH. And because Acts 2 is... the Biblical Measure, and those you listen to are NOT following it, is why those like yourself refuse to discuss HOW it manifested on Pentecost per that Acts 2 Chapter!
 

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That was regarding one church headed by Todd Bentley who divorced his wife to marry the church secretary. That woman was possessed and produced signs of a kindulini spirit. Not tongues, but shaking her head back in forth violently, the same as what happens in India. Those of us who have the actual Holy Spirit do not sin. Many in his church who were too dumb to leave became possessed as well.

Davy, it had nothing to do with tongues. That is just pure ignorance and willful blaspheming of a gift of the Holy Spirit which you know nothing about, even when it is spelled out to you in 1 Corinthians 14:2 and Acts 2. Your natural conclusion of Acts 2 has made you change the rule of 1 Cor. 14:2 that NO MAN UNDERSTANDS TONGUES NATURALLY, BUT SUPERNATURALLY BY ANOTHER GIFT OF THE SAME HOLY SPIRIT. I know you don't know any better for you are a natural man and see no bennefit to the real gift of tongues. 1 Cor. 2:14.

Stop all this blashemy of God's gifts and associating the gift with the devil!

You are the one blaspheming against God's Word of HOW the TRUE cloven
tongue manifested on Pentecost per Acts 2!

Did I ask you yet if you also believe the LIE of a Pre-tribulational Rapture Theory that those gibberish tongue churches also push??
 

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On the contrary, the doctrine on the cloven tongue I preach comes directly... from God's written Word, particularly Acts 2 where EVERYONE present heard in their OWN LANGUAGE OF BIRTH. And because Acts 2 is... the Biblical Measure, and those you listen to are NOT following it, is why those like yourself refuse to discuss HOW it manifested on Pentecost per that Acts 2 Chapter!
You didn't answer my question. Again, do you know why tongues are a sign to unbelievers, and the uninformed - like you?
 

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You are the one blaspheming against God's Word of HOW the TRUE cloven tongue manifested on Pentecost per Acts 2!

Did I ask you yet if you also believe the LIE of a Pre-tribulational Rapture Theory that those gibberish tongue churches also push??
The natural man is afraid of the supernatural and believe all things supernatural is of the devil. In Acts 2 it is plain as day that both the speaking and the hearing were supernatural, but that is just foolishness to those with a natural mind.

Personally, I believe in a post-tribulation rapture. I have an appointment today to study the pre-trib. rapture that one of my pastors believes in. Then the next time we get together will be my turn to teach him something he doesn't know about.
 
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You didn't answer my question. Again, do you know why tongues are a sign to unbelievers, and the uninformed - like you?

I answered your question very well, thank you. BUT... you REFUSED to go check out the Bible Scripture evidence that I have said to you multiple, multiple... times. ACTS 2 is our example of HOW the TRUE CLOVEN TONGUE manifests.

And if you won't listen to what Acts 2 says as written, neither will you be following what The Holy Spirit tries to show you.
 

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The natural man is afraid of the supernatural and believe all things supernatural is of the devil. In Acts 2 it is plain as day that both the speaking and the hearing were supernatural, but that is just foolishness to those with a natural mind.

Personally, I believe in a post-tribulation rapture. I have an appointment today to study the pre-trib. rapture that one of my pastors believes in. Then the next time we get together will be my turn to teach him something he doesn't know about.

I'll say it again...

I answered your question very well, thank you. BUT... you REFUSED to go check out the Bible Scripture evidence that I have said to you multiple, multiple... times. ACTS 2 is our example of HOW the TRUE CLOVEN TONGUE manifests.
And if you won't listen to what Acts 2 says as written, neither will you be following what The Holy Spirit tries to show you.
 

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I'll say it again...

I answered your question very well, thank you. BUT... you REFUSED to go check out the Bible Scripture evidence that I have said to you multiple, multiple... times. ACTS 2 is our example of HOW the TRUE CLOVEN TONGUE manifests.
And if you won't listen to what Acts 2 says as written, neither will you be following what The Holy Spirit tries to show you.
Here is the Acts 2 account according to the rule in 1 Corinthians 14:2.

5 And there were dwelling in Jerusalem Jews, devout men, from every nation under heaven. 6 And when this sound occurred, the multitude came together, and were confused, because everyone heard them speak in his own language. 7 Then they were all amazed and marveled, saying to one another, “Look, are not all these who speak Galileans? 8 And how is it that we hear, each in our own language in which we were born? 9 Parthians and Medes and Elamites, those dwelling in Mesopotamia, Judea and Cappadocia, Pontus and Asia, 10 Phrygia and Pamphylia, Egypt and the parts of Libya adjoining Cyrene, visitors from Rome, both Jews and proselytes, 11 Cretans and Arabs—we hear them speaking in our own tongues the wonderful works of God.” 12 So they were all amazed and perplexed, saying to one another, “Whatever could this mean?”

13 Others mocking said, “They are full of new wine.”

If the 120 were all speaking different languages as you believe it would have been a cacophony of unintelligible noise. No, they each heard them, all of them, like a choir. Thus the speaking and the hearing were both supernatural. Once you can see what is clearly written instead of your unlearned way of reading, you won't be so confused anymore and can then understand 1 Cor. 14:2 which you haven't explained, except to go back to Acts 2 and your silly understanding of plain English.
 

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Here is the Acts 2 account according to the rule in 1 Corinthians 14:2.

5 And there were dwelling in Jerusalem Jews, devout men, from every nation under heaven. 6 And when this sound occurred, the multitude came together, and were confused, because everyone heard them speak in his own language. 7 Then they were all amazed and marveled, saying to one another, “Look, are not all these who speak Galileans? 8 And how is it that we hear, each in our own language in which we were born? 9 Parthians and Medes and Elamites, those dwelling in Mesopotamia, Judea and Cappadocia, Pontus and Asia, 10 Phrygia and Pamphylia, Egypt and the parts of Libya adjoining Cyrene, visitors from Rome, both Jews and proselytes, 11 Cretans and Arabs—we hear them speaking in our own tongues the wonderful works of God.” 12 So they were all amazed and perplexed, saying to one another, “Whatever could this mean?”

13 Others mocking said, “They are full of new wine.”

If the 120 were all speaking different languages as you believe it would have been a cacophony of unintelligible noise. No, they each heard them, all of them, like a choir. Thus the speaking and the hearing were both supernatural. Once you can see what is clearly written instead of your unlearned way of reading, you won't be so confused anymore and can then understand 1 Cor. 14:2 which you haven't explained, except to go back to Acts 2 and your silly understanding of plain English.

You still do not understand that Acts 2 Scripture, and instead want to default to MEN'S FALSE INTERPRETATION of 1 Corinthians 14. Did you not know that the word "unknown" in the KJV of 1 Cor.14 is NOT IN THE GREEK MANUSCRIPTS, THAT IT WAS ADDED BY THE KJV TRANSLATORS?

Paul was preaching about KNOWN LANGUAGES of the world, words to be understood, not some gibberish tongue.

1 Cor 14:5-6
5 I would that ye all spake with
tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.

6 Now, brethren, if I come unto you speaking with
tongues, what shall I profit you, except I shall speak to you either by revelation, or by knowledge, or by prophesying, or by doctrine?
KJV


The above is about KNOWN LANGUAGES - PLURAL, not the cloven tongue of Pentecost.

Per Acts 2, the cloven tongue went out to EACH person that was present in their 'own' dialect of their own language of birth. So if someone from Northern U.S. was there, they would hear the Apostles say, "youse guys", but someone there from the South U.S. would hear the Apostles say, "You all". The peoples heard their actual DIALECTS (slang) of their known language of birth! It was not gibberish nor confusion. And the Apostles no doubt simply spoke in their own language of birth.

God knows how we speak and hear.

The true cloven tongue is about the one tongue that ALL nations once spoke PRIOR to the tower of Babel event. God said in Zephaniah 3 that He is going to return us all back to the one tongue eventually. This also is why when some of us are delivered up during the coming "great tribulation" to give a TESTIMONY for Lord Jesus against the beast, the nations who will hear The Holy Spirit speaking through us will not... need an interpreter, for each person will hear and understand in their own language of birth.
 

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You still do not understand that Acts 2 Scripture, and instead want to default to MEN'S FALSE INTERPRETATION of 1 Corinthians 14. Did you not know that the word "unknown" in the KJV of 1 Cor.14 is NOT IN THE GREEK MANUSCRIPTS, THAT IT WAS ADDED BY THE KJV TRANSLATORS?

Paul was preaching about KNOWN LANGUAGES of the world, words to be understood, not some gibberish tongue.

1 Cor 14:5-6
5 I would that ye all spake with
tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.

6 Now, brethren, if I come unto you speaking with
tongues, what shall I profit you, except I shall speak to you either by revelation, or by knowledge, or by prophesying, or by doctrine?
KJV


The above is about KNOWN LANGUAGES - PLURAL, not the cloven tongue of Pentecost.

Per Acts 2, the cloven tongue went out to EACH person that was present in their 'own' dialect of their own language of birth. So if someone from Northern U.S. was there, they would hear the Apostles say, "youse guys", but someone there from the South U.S. would hear the Apostles say, "You all". The peoples heard their actual DIALECTS (slang) of their known language of birth! It was not gibberish nor confusion. And the Apostles no doubt simply spoke in their own language of birth.

God knows how we speak and hear.

The true cloven tongue is about the one tongue that ALL nations once spoke PRIOR to the tower of Babel event. God said in Zephaniah 3 that He is going to return us all back to the one tongue eventually. This also is why when some of us are delivered up during the coming "great tribulation" to give a TESTIMONY for Lord Jesus against the beast, the nations who will hear The Holy Spirit speaking through us will not... need an interpreter, for each person will hear and understand in their own language of birth.
I agree that the word "unknown" was not in the originals but it was certainly known that the type of tongues of men and of angels that was a gift of the Holy Spirit COULD NOT BE UNDERSTOOD BY MAN. Why do you ignore that fact? I've already shown you what happened on the Day of Pentecost as it is clearly written and understood by those of the first century. It would be like three disciples each speaking a different language unknown to them like French, English and Spanish. And devout Jews could each understand all of them speaking in their own languages. One HEARD German. One HEARD Russian. And one HEARD Italian.

Do yourself a favor and go back to the post of mine that highlighted exactly what I'm saying. The Jews each heard THEM/all of them speaking in their own particular language of each particular foreign Jew. You cannot discard 1 Corinthians 14:2 just because it contradicts your faulty understanding of Acts 2 and plain English.
 
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I agree that the word "unknown" was not in the originals but it was certainly known that the type of tongues of men and of angels that was a gift of the Holy Spirit COULD NOT BE UNDERSTOOD BY MAN.

Understood to be 'gibberish' by whom? Certainly not by the Apostles, for even Peter in Acts 10 remarked how when The Holy Spirit fell upon the Gentiles whom Peter preached The Gospel to, the gift manifested as it did with the Apostles on Pentecost...

Acts 10:44-48
44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.
45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.
46
For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,
47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized,
which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.
KJV


Peter and those believing Jews with him all heard those Gentiles speak in KNOWN languages, which is how they understood they were magnifying God. So how would they have understood if what they spoke was some gibberish that required an interpreter? Peter was pointing directly to how the true cloven tongue manifested with him and the Apostles on Pentecost per Acts 2, as dialects of known languages of the world.

But what you keep wanting to default to is men's traditions based on hearsay, and a worship of miracles, and not actually staying with what's written in God's Word.


And the REAL FACT that the majority of the churches that claim to speak the cloven tongue today are ALSO deceived on men's false Pre-trib Rapture theory, is yet another sign of the devil playing with their souls. Lord Jesus was very clear in Matthew 24:29-31 and Mark 13:24-27 that His 2nd coming to gather His Church will be AFTER the tribulation, NOT prior to it. So how is it, that if one who speaks gibberish is manifesting presence of The Holy Spirit, that it is NOT KEEPING THE ACTUAL BIBLE SCRIPTURE OF WHAT LORD JESUS SAID ABOUT HIS FUTURE COMING?
 

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Understood to be 'gibberish' by whom?
Probably by any of the Roman Gentiles who couldn't understand and thought them to be drunk.

Peter and those believing Jews with him all heard those Gentiles speak in KNOWN languages
Of course! That is how the gift of interpretation of tongues works! You hear your own language. Verse 8 is the key to understanding Acts 2.

8 And how is it that we hear, each in our own language in which we were born?

For those Jews, their question had to do with their own hearing, "because everyone heard them speak in his own language.

Davy, how is it you cannot break down sentence structure. Didn't you go to English 101?
 

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Probably by any of the Roman Gentiles who couldn't understand and thought them to be drunk.

That is where you have to make up your mind about Acts 2.

Acts 2:6-8
6 Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded,
because that every man heard them speak in his own language.
7 And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, "Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans?
8 And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?"
KJV

Acts 2:13
13 Others mocking said, These men are full of new wine.
KJV


Does this 13th verse seem like a disagreement with the above 6th & 7th verses?

If you do not recognize both Scripture examples as the Truth, then you will not really understand how the cloven tongue manifested on that day.


Of course! That is how the gift of interpretation of tongues works! You hear your own language. Verse 8 is the key to understanding Acts 2.

8 And how is it that we hear, each in our own language in which we were born?

For those Jews, their question had to do with their own hearing, "because everyone heard them speak in his own language.

Davy, how is it you cannot break down sentence structure. Didn't you go to English 101?

You still are leaving... the Acts 2 Scripture, even while you ADMIT what it says! Amazing! What you say is like speaking out of both sides of your mouth.

IF... everyone hears in their own language of birth, THAT MEANS THERE IS NO NEED FOR AN INTERPRETER! Do you see an interpreter mentioned there in Acts 2? No, you do not.

And your slander against me about English 101 won't work, only the stupid that would come here would buy such an idiotic slur, so that's how low you just stooped with that remark, yet another sign of having The Holy Spirit you think, huh?