Flat Earth Theory

[amigo de christo]

It is not a salvation issue. But noone said that here. It is from the Bible. God's Word describes His creation, there are about 200 scriptures that talk about that. So it is important to God. It's not man made. And real science confirms the scipture. If something goes against scripture, we should follow God's Word instead of man's word.

i concur fully . The bible never once said the earth was flat .
Lets start with that . BUT IT DARN sure says IT WAS A CIRCLE . now that IT DOES MAKE clear .
four corners is all it says . An d i can easily explain why that is .
But notice on this highly controversial subject IT NEVER says IT was flat , BUT IT Does say CIRCLE .
That is why i beleive as i believe . Whether or not its a flat circle , WELL at least t hat could be debated .

 

[David in NJ]

You gonna weep when you realize what some folks on this v ery site beleive .
But how quickly at times one can gather with another just because t hey might believe the same concept .
You know what i advise us all to do .
Go back and start asking eveyone here about each of the teachings of JESUS and later the apostels .
I bet most are gonna twist something .
Lets , for example dicuss us some remarriage
some allow women pastors
Saying things like OH that was for the jew , or that was for that time not today .
BUT YOU DARN SURE WONT SEE ME DOING T HAT .
I give us all this challenge .
LETS DO this . YOU SEE who does what with his basic WORDS .
ONL Y most don t want to do that . OH d ear and OH NO cause most arleady twist his teachings and make excuses .

a.) pre-trib rapture
b.) Amillenialism
c.) Preterism
d.) ecumenicalism
e.) cessation of gifts
f.) SDA = must worship on saturday
g.) women pastors
h.) homosexual/lesbian pastors
i.) Jews are saved by the OT
k.) we are saved by good works
l.) the lies are endless

Satan has never stopped SPEAKING

 

[amigo de christo]

i will look but there are so many posts

if you remember who the member was that i responded to, it narrows things down and assists in my search

sadly i think the person you said that too , Follows an ecumenical path if i recall . WHICH i know be of satan .
I am trying to find it .

 

[David in NJ]

sadly i think the person you said that too , Follows an ecumenical path if i recall . WHICH i know be of satan .
I am trying to find it .

ecumenicalism is directly tied to and controlled by globalism = Mystery Babylon

 

[amigo de christo]

a.) pre-trib rapture
b.) Amillenialism
c.) Preterism
d.) ecumenicalism
e.) cessation of gifts
f.) SDA = must worship on saturday
g.) women pastors
h.) homosexual/lesbian pastors
i.) Jews are saved by the OT
k.) we are saved by good works
l.) te lies are endless

Satan has never stopped SPEAKING

with the execptoin of Amillenisalism , cause i have NO idea what that is
OH yeah the lies are endless all rig ht .
This sheep dont heed prefib , or any of that other s tuff .
What is AMILLEISALISM .
Let me know so i can see whether i agree or disagree with it .

 

[amigo de christo]

ecumenicalism is directly tied to and controlled by globalism = Mystery Babylon

which is controlled by .............................
SATAN and HIS WHORE .
as i am darn sure you do ag ree my friend

 

[David in NJ]

with the execptoin of Amillenisalism , cause i have NO idea what that is
OH yeah the lies are endless all rig ht .
This sheep dont heed prefib , or any of that other s tuff .
What is AMILLEISALISM .
Let me know so i can see whether i agree or disagree with it .

Amill is this: Satan is currently locked up in the prison of Revelation 20:1-3

The most recent deception flooding the churches is "all scripture was fulfilled in 70AD" = the Resurrection is past

 

[amigo de christo]

i will look but there are so many posts

if you remember who the member was that i responded to, it narrows things down and assists in my search

since you made it clear that is not what you think
okay its good enough for me .

 

[amigo de christo]

Amill is this: Satan is currently locked up in the prison of Revelation 20:1-3

The most recent deception flooding the churches is "all scripture was fulfilled in 70AD" = the Resurrection is past

okie dokey . i have heard something like that
and OH YEAH they preach a fat lie . so amil IS yet another lie
I remember debating a few about this .
and telling them IF satan is bound in the pit and thus CANNOT decieve
and that would also mean the FP and beast was already in the lake of fire,
THEN WHO ON EARTH is doing all this DECIEVING . e xactly my friend .
AMIL is NOT TRUE . And this seventy AD thing sounds like PRETERISM , WHICH I KNOW IS NOT TRUE .

 

[amigo de christo]

Amill is this: Satan is currently locked up in the prison of Revelation 20:1-3

The most recent deception flooding the churches is "all scripture was fulfilled in 70AD" = the Resurrection is past

Let examine this last line .
About this most recent deception .
Notice in the book of revelation it talks ab out a mark
and a system by which no man can buy or sell lest he has the mark .
WHO YA THINK they gettin g set up for . Thus is it any wonder this lie
is now being sold and that more and more probably beleive it .
So now lets add something to the part
where you said equals the RESSURECTION is past .
WHAT DID PAUL say about two such men who were doing just that .
TEACHING THAT THE RESSURECTION is past already .
THEY OVER THROW THE FAITH OF SOME . ITS A T OTAL LIE my friend .
BUT as paul wrote
GOD KNOWS , CHRIST KNOWS who are HIS . THEY wont be buying that my friend .
I think it was hyemanues and alexander . WHO got their rumps bootted out of the church .

 

[amigo de christo]

a.) pre-trib rapture
b.) Amillenialism
c.) Preterism
d.) ecumenicalism
e.) cessation of gifts
f.) SDA = must worship on saturday
g.) women pastors
h.) homosexual/lesbian pastors
i.) Jews are saved by the OT
k.) we are saved by good works
l.) the lies are endless

Satan has never stopped SPEAKING

What is the one t hing on that list that is now having all come together
not caring what one beleives , whether good or bad ,
but just coming together as one, UNDER The false love god , to be as one
beleiving this to be the way to peace n safety . THE DELUISON that united THE DECIEV ED
to merge with the DECIEVED .
WHY ITS ECUMENICLALISM . there it is david . THAT be the one thing the decieved have in common
THE Y LOVE IT . they dont ag ree with each others doctrines
BUT DARN SURE LOVE THAT LIE . the lie of anti christ itself IS IN IT TOO .
A st rong delusion , not to divide the lost b ut to UNITE THE LOST and to slience the true gospel .
Satan knows how to merge the decieved david .
But as you arleady know , THE SHEEP DONT HEED HIS VoicE at all .

 

[Lizbeth]

Christ does not speak to "us" in parables. Christ spoke to "them" in parables. His disciples had not yet received the Holy Spirit at this point in Christ's earthly ministry. So they often needed Christ to explain Himself. Even now, those of us who have the Holy Spirit, are still in need of revelation, and to be guided by the Spirit into all truth.

I respectfully question your statement that it was Christ who revealed this to you, because it has been directly contradicted by His own infallible word.

Matthew 13:10-17 (KJV)
And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?
He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.
Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.
And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:
For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.
But blessed are your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear.
For verily I say unto you, That many prophets and righteous men have desired to see those things which ye see, and have not seen them; and to hear those things which ye hear, and have not heard them.

I think this is splitting hairs, brother. Jesus, the Word made flesh, spoke to His own disciples in parables too and they didn't always understand them and needed an explanation. For example they didn't understand when He spoke to them about leaven...they thought He was talking about literal bread, and Jesus upbraided them for not understanding. They had to ask for an explanation for the parable of wheat and tares. I believe what He meant was that the parables would remain as "dark sentences" (hidden meaning) to those with proud and unbelieving hearts, but were being revealed to those whose hearts were humble and right with God...not dark/hidden. (Parable = dark sentence.)

Two examples of "parables" (allegories/similitudes/figures/types/shadows) in the OT that come to mind which the NT mentions, is the allegory of Sarah and Hagar....one likened to Jerusalem above which is our mother and the other likened to earthly Jerusalem in bondage (slavery). Another allegory is where it is written that Adam is "a figure for He who was to come". And we are told that the things which happened to Israel happened unto them and were written down as "ensamples" for us. Not to mention that the Old Covenant ordinances are chock full of shadows/types for the heavenly realities. We need to "hear" or "see" what the Spirit is saying...ears to hear, eyes to see.

(But please don't think because I say these things that I'm claiming to see/hear everything in scripture...there is plenty that I don't understand, but at least thankfully have cottoned on to this principle with the help of the Lord, and it opened up a lot to my understanding that I hadn't been able to "see" before.)

 

[amigo de christo]

Amill is this: Satan is currently locked up in the prison of Revelation 20:1-3

The most recent deception flooding the churches is "all scripture was fulfilled in 70AD" = the Resurrection is past

Go around for a week , maybe two
and you preach against this finding common ground , this so called unity , this s ocalled
ecumenicalsim , this int eraith
THEN see who stands with you . THAT IS WHEN YOU WIL WEEP and WILL WEEP as have I .
FEW TO NONE are gonna back you .
THIS is the one lie , the so called false love they all have in common
no matter what religoin , no matter what denonimaintion , no matter
whether in church or out of church that MOST NOW already are influenced to some degree by .
OH ITS BAD david . REAL bad . Go on , g ive it a week or two
but be prepared to see even SOME who had agreed with you on certain subjects
TURN their back on YOU , just like they have on me .
THAT IS THEIR GOLDEN BULL , their love , their call .
I seen it all over both rep and dem
ALL over even the false religoins
ALL over the denominations or no denomination .
ONE THING they all are finding agreement upon and will do so more and more as the days go on and fly by .

 

[David in NJ]

Go around for a week , maybe two
and you preach against this finding common ground , this so called unity , this s ocalled
ecumenicalsim , this int eraith
THEN see who stands with you . THAT IS WHEN YOU WIL WEEP and WILL WEEP as have I .
FEW TO NONE are gonna back you .
THIS is the one lie , the so called false love they all have in common
no matter what religoin , no matter what denonimaintion , no matter
whether in church or out of church that MOST NOW already are influenced to some degree by .
OH ITS BAD david . REAL bad . Go on , g ive it a week or two
but be prepared to see even SOME who had agreed with you on certain subjects
TURN their back on YOU , just like they have on me .
THAT IS THEIR GOLDEN BULL , their love , their call .
I seen it all over both rep and dem
ALL over even the false religoins
ALL over the denominations or no denomination .
ONE THING they all are finding agreement upon and will do so more and more as the days go on and fly by .

no matter what religoin , no matter what denonimaintion , no matter
whether in church or out of church that MOST NOW already are influenced to some degree by .

YEP

OH ITS BAD david . REAL bad

YEP x100

 

[amigo de christo]

I think this is splitting hairs, brother. Jesus, the Word made flesh, spoke to His own disciples in parables too and they didn't always understand them and needed an explanation. For example they didn't understand when He spoke to them about leaven...they thought He was talking about literal bread, and Jesus upbraided them for not understanding. They had to ask for an explanation for the parable of wheat and tares. I believe what He meant was that the parables would remain as "dark sentences" (hidden meaning) to those with proud and unbelieving hearts, but were being revealed to those whose hearts were humble and right with God...not dark/hidden. (Parable = dark sentence.)

Two examples of "parables" (allegories/similitudes/figures/types/shadows) in the OT that come to mind which the NT mentions, is the allegory of Sarah and Hagar....one likened to Jerusalem above which is our mother and the other likened to earthly Jerusalem in bondage (slavery). Another allegory is where it is written that Adam is "a figure for He who was to come". And we are told that the things which happened to Israel happened unto them and were written down as "ensamples" for us. Not to mention that the Old Covenant ordinances are chock full of shadows/types for the heavenly realities. We need to "hear" or "see" what the Spirit is saying...ears to hear, eyes to see.

(But please don't think because I say these things that I'm claiming to see/hear everything in scripture...there is plenty that I don't understand, but at least thankfully have cottoned on to this principle with the help of the Lord, and it opened up a lot to my understanding that I hadn't been able to "see" before.)

What is the one thing you are seeing in a lot of f olks that they now have in common .
NO its not their doctrines
What is it . that is now tying together denominations , false religoins
even athiest and wicans are on board with it .
The so called love god . his so called plan on how to bring peace n safety to this world .
Ecumenicalism is seen as a good thing EVEN BY athiests , wicans
and sadly the churches , even the false religoins are for it .
Remember where it was written that satan , the seperent was t he most subtile of all creatures .
Remember where it was written A st rong delusion would be sent
and all who rejected the love of the truth would b uy it .
And what two words did paul use to show us WHEN their own sudden destruction would come upon them .
WHEN THEY SAY PEACE N SAFETY . WOW , its sure getting real c lear as to what DAYS WE IN SISTER . sadly
however for moset they going down the wrong road as they holler god is love , god is love
this is the way to peace n safety . But notice , THE SHEEP AINT HEARING IT , they warning AGAINST IT .

 

[Simple Dan]

The concept of a flat Earth contradicts established scientific observation and physics. Historically, the church generally accepted a spherical Earth long ago. Belief in a flat Earth is not a requirement of Christian theology.

By church, do you mean the Roman Catholic church? The same church which was in the habit of burning at the stake anyone who dared disagree with them?

The relationship between the church (Roman and Protestant alike) and heliocentrism is a long one, and full of complexity.

Here's a very thorough treatment of the subject you may find useful.

The Roman Catholic Church and heliocentrism - Cosmology History

The involvement of the Roman Catholic Church in the development of heliocentrism.

cosmologyhistory.org

The theory that all matter in the universe emanated from a single source, or "the hypothesis of the primeval atom" was put forth by the Jesuit astronomer
Monsignor Georges Henri Joseph Édouard Lemaître.

This theory of course, is a complete contradiction to the Genesis account of Gods creation. Many argue that when God said "let there be light", this was the beginning of the universe, and site the "Big Bang" as merely our scientific understanding of the event in question.

Side note; the word "universe" cannot be found in the original manuscripts of either the Hebrew or Greek scriptures. Many modern translations render "cosmos" as universe, a subtle but noteworthy insertion of modern cosmological theories into the text.
But I digress.

However, when one views the text we clearly see the Spirit of God hovering upon the face of the waters "before" light had been created.

Genesis 1:1-3 (KJV)
"In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
And God said, Let there be light: and there was light."

In fact, we have earth and water already mentioned before the six days of creation began, prior to Gods creation of light, the division of light from darkness, or the division of the waters causing dry land to appear.

None of this either confirms or denies the shape of the earth. But it does draw into question the idea of the Big Bang, which is clearly the source of all modern heliocentric cosmological models.

Could it be that evolutionary cosmology is just as questionable as evolutionary biology? And why would anyone who doubts the veracity of the claims of evolutionary biology, be more inclined to agree with the claims of evolutionary cosmology? Its an inconsistency of argument which has always left me scratching my head.

But of course, everyone is free to draw their own conclusions.

 

[David in NJ]

since you made it clear that is not what you think
okay its good enough for me .

We all slip up at times with our words and this David apologizes if i allowed 'anger/false accusation'' in my response

 

[Chihuahua]

Stars can fall. Just like the scripture also says and what someone here mentioned. Just notice, everything falls down to earth, if we see shooting stars, they fall down, never up. Why is that? On a globe in outer space, they would fall in all kinds of directions, because in space there is no up or down. But what we see, what can be observed, is that they fall down.

Meteors are not stars. They are made of ice, rock and other elements and they vaporize in the atmosphere or make to the ground. I have no idea what you mean by never up. Meteors generally do not come from the Earth and go into outer space. That can happen, but generally any rocks and such ejected by volcanoes or due to an impact succumb to gravity and return to the ground.

 

[David in NJ]

By church, do you mean the Roman Catholic church? The same church which was in the habit of burning at the stake anyone who dared disagree with them?

The relationship between the church (Roman and Protestant alike) and heliocentrism is a long one, and full of complexity.

Here's a very thorough treatment of the subject you may find useful.

The Roman Catholic Church and heliocentrism - Cosmology History

The involvement of the Roman Catholic Church in the development of heliocentrism.

cosmologyhistory.org

The theory that all matter in the universe emanated from a single source, or "the hypothesis of the primeval atom" was put forth by the Jesuit astronomer
Monsignor Georges Henri Joseph Édouard Lemaître.

This theory of course, is a complete contradiction to the Genesis account of Gods creation. Many argue that when God said "let there be light", this was the beginning of the universe, and site the "Big Bang" as merely our scientific understanding of the event in question.

Side note; the word "universe" cannot be found in the original manuscripts of either the Hebrew or Greek scriptures. Many modern translations render "cosmos" as universe, a subtle but noteworthy insertion of modern cosmological theories into the text.
But I digress.

However, when one views the text we clearly see the Spirit of God hovering upon the face of the waters "before" light had been created.

Genesis 1:1-3 (KJV)
"In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
And God said, Let there be light: and there was light."

In fact, we have earth and water already mentioned before the six days of creation began, prior to Gods creation of light, the division of light from darkness, or the division of the waters causing dry land to appear.

None of this either confirms or denies the shape of the earth. But it does draw into question the idea of the Big Bang, which is clearly the source of all modern heliocentric cosmological models.

Could it be that evolutionary cosmology is just as questionable as evolutionary biology? And why would anyone who doubts the veracity of the claims of evolutionary biology, be more inclined to agree with the claims of evolutionary cosmology? Its an inconsistency of argument which has always left me scratching my head.

But of course, everyone is free to draw their own conclusions.

However, when one views the text we clearly see the Spirit of God hovering upon the face of the waters "before" light had been created.

YEP = most miss this in Genesis

Yeshua
Eternal
Perfection

 

[amigo de christo]

We all slip up at times with our words and this David apologizes if i allowed 'anger/false accusation'' in my response

Man david i thought i seen a lot .
you need to go and read what another wrote to me on another post .
As he said WE must imagine ALL the words JESUS ev er said coming in a soft gentle tone .
Gee i wonder how soft and gentile , SAID I , he must have seemed with whips as he literally overthrew tables
whipped at etc , Would not EVEN ALLOW one to carry their merchandise in the temple.
OH i suppose it could be done
IF one saw JESUS in a clown suit , holding a rainbow , holler God is love
as he gently love tapped with his whip and so gently laid each table down with a phrase saying oh GOD IS LOVE
lets just all get along . What on earth .
What would they even have said to PAUL who by THE SPIRIT
told a JEW , oh dear i said JEW , named elaymus
YE CHILD OF THE DEVIL , And blinded HIM . I guess paul too was a mean angry bitter wicked man . What on earth has
went wrong with this generation . OH wait i already know the answer
they sat under and bought the wrong love , judge not , version of the world , NOT GOD .