Correct. That is for the elect. Why is that an issue? Because of your false He love ne He loves me not theology. Only the religious phony can apostasize.
Ammillennialism's illegitimate redefining and switching around of the meaning of Greek words and biblical concepts
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The reason for your confusion (and constant avoidance) is that you do not believe in the total depravity of man. You do not see that man is spiritually dead before salvation and needs spiritually resurrected. This is at the root of your ignorance and false teaching.
Scripture describes salvation in natural and physical terms – like resurrection and birth. Of course, this is not to be taken in a literal sense. It is figurative language. It is describing a supernatural event in broad terms that we can relate to and grasp. How else can a spiritually dead person move from death to life but resurrection? What better way to depict new life than in terms of birth?
1. The Bible says that the unsaved (who only have one nature – the flesh) are “ignorant” (Romans 10:3; 1 Corinthians 14:38; Ephesians 4:18; Hebrews 5:2; 2 Peter 3:5) of God and spiritual things.
2. The Bible says that prior to salvation man is a spiritual corpse that is “dead in … sins” (Ephesians 2:1; Colossians 2:13).
3. Prior to salvation man is spiritually “blind” (Matthew 13:13, 15-16; 2 Corinthians 4:4).
4. Prior to salvation man is spiritually “deaf” ((Psalm 58:4; Ezekiel 12:2; Matthew 13:13, 15-16).
5. Prior to salvation man is “by nature a child of wrath” (Ephesians 2:3).
6. The Bible says that “the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God” (1 Corinthians 2:14).
7. The Bible says that “they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them” (1 Corinthians 2:14).
8. The Bible says “All have sinned and come short of the glory of God” (Romans 3:23).
9. Prior to salvation one is a spiritual “prisoner” of Satan (Isaiah 14:17, 42:6, 61:1).
10.Prior to salvation one is bound in “chains” of sin (Psalm 68:6, 107:8-16; Isaiah 61:1).
11.Outside of Christ there is “none that seeketh after God” (Romans 3:10).
12.Outside of Christ there is “none righteous” (Romans 3:10).
13.Outside of Christ there is “none that understandeth” (Isaiah 14:20; Romans 3:10).
14.Outside of Christ there is “none that doeth good” (Ecclesiastes 3:12; Romans 3:10).
15.Prior to salvation the unregenerate does not hear the words of Christ (John 8:43-44).
16.Prior to salvation the unregenerate is not able to come to Christ (John 6:44, 64-65).
17.Prior to salvation the unregenerate is not able to submit to God's law (Romans 8:7).
18.Prior to salvation the unregenerate is not able to please God (Romans 8:8).
19.Prior to salvation you were “alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works” (Colossians 1:21).
20.Outside of Christ your “old man” was “corrupt according to the deceitful lusts” (Ephesians 4:22).
21.Outside of Christ you were ‘vain in your imaginations, and your foolish heart was darkened’ (Romans 1:21).
22.Outside of Christ you were ‘walking in the vanity of your mind, Having your understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that was in you, because of the blindness of your heart” (Ephesians 4:17-19).
23. It says, “the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.” (2 Corinthians 4:4).
24.Outside of Christ the Bible says “The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?” (Jeremiah 17:9).
25.The Bible says that outside of Christ “I know nothing by myself” (1 Corinthians 4:4).
26.The unsaved “are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags” (Isaiah 64:6).
27.The Bible says that outside of Christ man is “deceived” (Job 12:16, 15:21; Romans 7:11; 2 Timothy 3:13; Titus 3:3; Revelation 18:23, 20:10).
We are looking at sinful man outside of Christ. We are looking at man who has not been raised from the grave of his sin. We are looking at man who has not been brought from spiritual death to spiritual life.
The above protest fails to provide a COMPETE list of all the verses using the word zao in the New Testament in order to prove which verses are NOT referring to being alive but rather to the spiritual life [zoe] which is the source of it,
and fails to provide adequate reason for switching the meaning in some verses only - even though the word zao (being alive) never refers to the zoe (life) that is the source of being alive,
and fails to provide a COMPLETE list of all the verses in the New Testament using the word zoe in order to prove which verses using the word are using it NOT in reference to life, but in reference to being alive,
and fails to provide a COMPLETE list of all the verses in the New Testament using the words égersis; anístēmi; and egeírō and anástasis (the words used in reference to the resurrection) - at the very least the ones referring to the resurrection whenever the words are used in reference to the resurrection
(the words égersis; anístēmi; and egeírō are not always used in reference to the resurrection: Sometimes they are used for rising up as in "get up!", or being raised up as a leader, or rising from sleep in a normal sense),
in order to prove that when the resurrection is being spoken about, the verse/s are NOT referring to the resurrection of the body, but of the human spirit,
and fails to provide a COMPLETE list of all the verses in the New Testament using the words zoopoieo and suzōopoiéō and make a comparison between them all in order to prove which verses are NOT referring to the quickening of the human body (but to the quickening of the human spirit instead).
The above protest fails to provide a COMPETE list of all the verses using the word zao in the New Testament in order to prove which verses are NOT referring to being alive but rather to the spiritual life [zoe] which is the source of it,
and fails to provide adequate reason for switching the meaning in some verses only - even though the word zao (being alive) never refers to the zoe (life) that is the source of being alive,
and fails to provide a COMPLETE list of all the verses in the New Testament using the word zoe in order to prove which verses using the word are using it NOT in reference to life, but in reference to being alive,
and fails to provide a COMPLETE list of all the verses in the New Testament using the words égersis; anístēmi; and egeírō and anástasis (the words used in reference to the resurrection) - at the very least the ones referring to the resurrection whenever the words are used in reference to the resurrection
(the words égersis; anístēmi; and egeírō are not always used in reference to the resurrection: Sometimes they are used for rising up as in "get up!", or being raised up as a leader, or rising from sleep in a normal sense),
in order to prove that when the resurrection is being spoken about, the verse/s are NOT referring to the resurrection of the body, but of the human spirit,
and fails to provide a COMPLETE list of all the verses in the New Testament using the words zoopoieo and suzōopoiéō and make a comparison between them all in order to prove which verses are NOT referring to the quickening of the human body (but to the quickening of the human spirit instead).
Only God and yourself will know what the reason is for your constant avoidance. Possibly not even you yourself know the reason, but our Lord Jesus Christ knows.
Evasive cut and pastes are your only answer. This is testimony to the impotence of your argument. The Op lies in shreds. You have zero rebuttal.
Do you realize that people actually follow these discussion to determine what is right and wrong?
David in NJ
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But you refuse to say. That is because to admit what the Bible says would negate Premil.
David in NJ
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Avoidance is the main Premil MO. I ask simple direct questions to expose that. It works every time.
David in NJ
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Always avoid ants = especially FIRE ants
Black ones are edible though, so if you get lost in Scripture you can always look at things as 'black and white'
SIMPLE = AFTER the 1,000 years
after /ăf′tər/
preposition
- Behind in place or order.
"Z comes after Y in the alphabet." - Next to or lower than in order or importance
Fire ants = And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire.
Remember the ryhme of our youth???
liar liar
pants on FIRE
Boy am i glad i switched to 'TrinityTrends' clothing wear
Exactly. This guy has told me I don't believe in what I do believe and vice versa and implied I believe something I don't though he knew I did not (nor did I say or imply it in my posts)
- in order to imply that his protest carried validation so many times, I have lost count completely.
That's why I have begun to just ignore him. He has what I have come to realize is a very calculated, practiced and deliberate way of attempting to detail your thread or the facts you produce in posts.
@WPM is actually a TROLL - a very, very (almost) professional one. He would be totally professional if what he says and his long, long posts full of part drivel and part sense doesn't make it so obvious he's just trolling in order to change the topic, move it his way, and produce red herrings, straw man arguments and all sorts of other devious types of debate skills to complete his task.
Post #43 in this thread being a prime example.
Either that or he just does not have the capacity to hold a proper conversation or have a proper discussion.
So most of his content in most of his posts are on my "best ignored" list. Not even worth reading. I just scroll down quickly past it.
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David in NJ
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YES, it is SUPER beneficial that we submit to the words of God as JESUS commanded in Matt 4:4
When we do, the Holy Spirit will Guide us and Speak thru us to one another for our benefit and healing and discovery.
i also cannot give time to endless word games and the 'shuffling of the deck' for the purpose of having a higher hand that can never outsmart the Holy Spirit who, does not play cards.
If we fail to yield to simple child-like wording of scripture, we are tempted to become "men of renown" in our own estimation of things.
Estimation of 'things' that is often derived from human intelligence beyond basic comprehension of immediate contextual application.
The swing of pendulum brain activity can go from strict contextual earthbound understanding to spiritual application which exceeds the limits of defined parameters within Scripture.
Correct apprehension of that which we are unable to apprehend on our own requires obedience to the Holy Spirit of Truth
TODAY we have the completed Scripture by which the Holy Spirit grants understanding thru what is written, from Genesis to Revelation.
CONTEXT to PRAYER to HOLY SPIRIT
Love you my brother/sister? @Hazelelponi
P.S. - NEVER go by 'context-context-context'
Be sure to be fair here, though. Be sure to equally apply to @Spiritual Israelite what you apply to me here. Though, he might be an Amil, he too agrees NOSAS is Biblical. Except you don't have the backbone, thus too cowardly, to tell him that NOSAS and Amil's interpretation of the first resurrection are not compatable. As if it makes sense that both positions, OSAS and NOSAS, can fit Amil's interpretation of the first resurrection. As if it makes sense that after having part in the first resurrection, one can then lose part in that resurrection--thus Amil combined with NOSAS. If that doesn't equal a false teaching--Amil combined with NOSAS--what does it equal then? That either means Amil is a false teaching or that NOSAS is a false teaching, since it is impossible to combine the two and not end up with a false teaching.
LOL. You do not like your error being exposed do you?
When you cannot answer simple biblical arguments you play the victim, avoid, throw ad hominem and run. How handy! LOL. All because your argument lies in tatters in this thread.
This is why every Bible-believing Christian should abandon this error.
More avoidance. More distractions. Address my posts or admit you have zero arguments.
There has not been one single Premil rebuttal to the many strong Amil counter-arguments. Premil is crumbling before you and you guys have no rebuttals. Telling!
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Do you take an umbrella or rain jacket with you in case it rains while you're trolling along singing lies and false accusations to avoid answering specific facts that you are not even prepared to answer - and drumming your drum superimposing what you do upon everyone else while you troll along?TROLL
If I ask you ONE question, would you answer it?
Do you still now believe In Jesus and that you are a sinner whose sins He bore in His own body, and have you ever believed?
When you cannot answer simple biblical arguments you play the victim, avoid, throw ad hominem and run.
TROLL
The Emperor has lost his clothes!
LOL. You never even try to answer what you cannot answer whenever biblical truth and facts shows your assertions up to be false or based in false doctrine.
TROLL.
The above protest fails to provide a COMPETE list of all the verses using the word zao in the New Testament in order to prove which verses are NOT referring to being alive but rather to the spiritual life [zoe] which is the source of it,
and fails to provide adequate reason for switching the meaning in some verses only - even though the word zao (being alive) never refers to the zoe (life) that is the source of being alive,
and fails to provide a COMPLETE list of all the verses in the New Testament using the word zoe in order to prove which verses using the word are using it NOT in reference to life, but in reference to being alive,
and fails to provide a COMPLETE list of all the verses in the New Testament using the words égersis; anístēmi; and egeírō and anástasis (the words used in reference to the resurrection) - at the very least the ones referring to the resurrection I(i.e whenever the words are used in reference to the resurrection because the words égersis; anístēmi; and egeírō are not always used in reference to the resurrection: Sometimes they are used for rising up as in "get up!", or being raised up as a leader, or rising from sleep in a normal sense),
in order to prove that when the resurrection is being spoken about, the verse/s are NOT referring to the resurrection of the body, but of the human spirit,
and fails to provide a COMPLETE list of all the verses in the New Testament using the words zoopoieo and suzōopoiéō and make a comparison between them all in order to prove which verses are NOT referring to the quickening of the human body (but to the quickening of the human spirit instead).
Only God and yourself will know what the reason is for your constant avoidance. Possibly not even you yourself know the reason, but our Lord Jesus Christ knows.
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