Overview time line chart of the 7 years

[Douggg]

The return of Jesus for judgement is the 3rd woe

Rv 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come,

No, try again.

Revelation 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

The third woe will last a time, times, half time. The short time that Satan will have left once he is cast down to earth. Right after the 1260 days of Revelation 12:6, which is the same 1260 days of two witnesses.

Here is an excerpt from my chart in the opening post. Woe three is shown on the chart. It will begin shortly after day 1260 and last until Jesus returns.

 

[Davidpt]

Hi David,

Rev. 16: 12 tells us about the great Euphrates drying up which is shown to be AFTER the mention of the 42 months of the reign of the A/C. (Rev. 13: 5)

Is that not clear in the picture? Please tell me so I can adjust it.

The point I was trying to make is this. Revelation 16:12 is not going to be relevant until the 6th vial is poured out. Which could mean, one minute the river could even look like the pic on the left, the next minute it is all dried up. Maybe not within a literal minute, but you get the idea. IOW, not a process involving numerous years for it to eventually dry up. But then again, maybe I'm wrong to reason it in that manner? All I know is, it's because of the 6th vial that the river dries up. The 6th vial isn't even relevant yet. Therefore, if it appears to be gradually drying up, I can't see it having anything to do with the 6th vial, though. Since it is because of the 6th vial that it dries up. Meaning at that time, and not gradually up until the 6th vial is eventually poured out.

Revelation 16:12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up , that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.

 

[shepherdsword]

No, try again.

Revelation 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

The third woe will last a time, times, half time. The short time that Satan will have left once he is cast down to earth. Right after the 1260 days of Revelation 12:6, which is the same 1260 days of two witnesses.

Chapter 12 is parenthetical and the woe there has nothing to so with the preceding 3. It's time period begins at the birth of Christ
Let's examine the text that actually contains the third woe:

After the second woe the third comes quickly.

Rv 11:14-15 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.

And what happens next? The return of Jesus to judge the earth...THAT is the 3rd woe.

Rev 11:16-18 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever. And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God, Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned. And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged,(3rd woe) and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.(3rd woe)

 

[Douggg]

After the second woe the third comes quickly.

Rv 11:14-15 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.

Please go to my post #4.

I explain the seventh angel sounding, and the third woe revealed in Revelation 12:12, and the reaction of them in heaven in Revelation 11:15-17, rejoicing about the end of Satan's kingdom finally coming.

 

[ewq1938]

Please go to my post #4.

I explain the seventh angel sounding, and the third woe revealed in Revelation 12:12, and the reaction of them in heaven in Revelation 11:15-17, rejoicing about the end of Satan's kingdom finally coming.

The 7th trump is not found in chp 12. Chp 12 ends right before the 6th trump/trib starts. The highest trump possible in chp 12 would be the 5th trump.

 

[Marilyn C]

The point I was trying to make is this. Revelation 16:12 is not going to be relevant until the 6th vial is poured out. Which could mean, one minute the river could even look like the pic on the left, the next minute it is all dried up. Maybe not within a literal minute, but you get the idea. IOW, not a process involving numerous years for it to eventually dry up. But then again, maybe I'm wrong to reason it in that manner? All I know is, it's because of the 6th vial that the river dries up. The 6th vial isn't even relevant yet. Therefore, if it appears to be gradually drying up, I can't see it having anything to do with the 6th vial, though. Since it is because of the 6th vial that it dries up. Meaning at that time, and not gradually up until the 6th vial is eventually poured out.

Revelation 16:12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up , that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.

OK, I hear what you are saying. And yes I agree that the river Euphrates will not dry up till God says so, (as in His word). As you said.

 

[Douggg]

The 7th trump is not found in chp 12.

The 7th angel sounds his trumpet after the 1260 days of the two witnesses in Revelation 11.

The third woe beginning when the 7 angel sounds is in Revelation 12:12 right after the 1260 days of Revelation 12:6 of the two witnesses feeding Israel the word of God.

Here is an excerpt from my over view chart in post one, that shows woe three.

 

[Douggg]

The highest trump possible in chp 12 would be the 5th trump.

The 5th trumpet, woe 1, is the flesh tormenting locust in Revelation 9, that woe will last 5 months according to the text in Revelation 9. The 6th trumpet, woe 2 is also in Revelation 9.

The 7th trumpet, woe 3 in Revelation 12:12 will last a time, times, half time.

 

[Douggg]

@ewq1938

If you were to project the 1260 day mid-point line - up to the start line of woe 3 - would see that it matches.

You can click on the chart so you can zoom in to different parts of it.

 

[ewq1938]

@ewq1938

If you were to project the 1260 day mid-point line - up to the start line of woe 3 - would see that it matches.

There is no mid-point in Rev concerning the 1260.

 

[ewq1938]

The 7th angel sounds his trumpet after the 1260 days of the two witnesses in Revelation 11.

The third woe beginning when the 7 angel sounds is in Revelation 12:12 right after the 1260 days of Revelation 12:6 of the two witnesses feeding Israel the word of God.

The 3rd woe trump is not in Rev 12, neither are the 2W.

 

[ewq1938]

The proper chronology of events would be chp 12 (before the trib), chp 13 (the starting of the trib) then chp 11 (the end of the trib.

 

[Douggg]

There is no mid-point in Rev concerning the 1260.

The proper chronology of events would be chp 12 (before the trib), chp 13 (the starting of the trib) then chp 11 (the end of the trib.

The proper placement of the time frames is on this table.

 

[ewq1938]

The proper placement of the time frames is on this table.

No, the table needs to be overturned like in the gospels due to how horribly wrong it is. Burn it with fire.

 

[Douggg]

No, the table needs to be overturned like in the gospels due to how horribly wrong it is. Burn it with fire.

The 15 time of the end time frames given in the bible are on the table.

Your just saying the table of time frames is wrong means nothing. It is your understanding of the chronology of the events that is wrong.

You can attempt to construct a table of those timeframes, yourself. And then post it.

 

[shepherdsword]

Please go to my post #4.

I explain the seventh angel sounding, and the third woe revealed in Revelation 12:12, and the reaction of them in heaven in Revelation 11:15-17, rejoicing about the end of Satan's kingdom finally coming.

You insert rev 12 into the 3rd woe when it does not belong. Revelation 12 is a parenthetical chapter and not part of the chronology. You misunderstand it. You also said the 7th Trumpet "begins" to sound in Rev 11:15. That is not accurate.

Rv 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

"Sounded" is in the Aorist in the Greek text:



You are taking Rev 10:6 and inserting that into Rev 11:15. You have it all confused.

Rv 10:6 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

However, That is a good verse in the sense that it proves the case that the mystery of the resurrection will be finished at the 7th Trump. It proves the 7th Trump is also the last.

 

[Douggg]

You also said the 7th Trumpet "begins" to sound. That is not accurate.

Rv 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

Yes, what I wrote is accurate. Here's the key.

Revelation 10:7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

When the seventh angel begins to sound that will be the signal for Michael (in Revelation 12:7-9) and his angels to cast Satan and his angels down to earth. Satan will then have but a time, times, and half time left.

In Daniel 12:1, we read about Michael, standing up for Daniel's people.

1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

In Daniel 12:7 is how long that time of trouble will last once Michael stands up (a phrase meaning goes to war, like in Daniel 8:25).

7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.

The same time, times, and half time that Satan will have left when he is cast down to earth.

Those time frames (and bible passage references, Daniel 12:7 and Revelation 12:14) are on this table.

 

[shepherdsword]

Yes, what I wrote is accurate. Here's the key.

Revelation 10:7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

The mystery that shall be finished is the resurrection:

1 Co 15:51-52 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible,,(this can only happen at the resurrection) and we shall be changed.

Rev 10:7 is linked with 2Cor 15:51-52 where is shown what happens at the 7th(Rev 11) and last trump.(1Cor 15)

When the seventh angel begins to sound that will be the signal for Michael (in Revelation 12:7-9) and his angels to cast Satan and his angels down to earth. Satan will then have but a time, times, and half time left.

You are inserting this into the text. Nowhere in the text does it say Satan was cast down at the 7th Trump. Let's look at what actually happens:


This is Jesus beginning his reign not the casting out of Satan.
Rv 11:15-18
15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.

This is the 3rd woe when Jesus shall judge the dead and destroy those who destroy the earth.

18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged,(this can only happen at the resurrection) and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

Where in the text do you see Satan being cast to the earth? It's not there. It should be clear that both the 7th trump in Rev 11 and the Last trump in 1Cor 15 are the fulfillment of the mystery of God and therefore, are the same thing.

 

[Douggg]

Where in the text do you see Satan being cast to the earth? It's not there. It should be clear that both the 7th trump in Rev 11 and the Last trump in 1Cor 15 are the fulfillment of the mystery of God and therefore, are the same thing.

Revelation 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

Where do you put that short time that Satan will have left on the time line ? And what trumpet is it associated with ?

The mystery that shall be finished is the resurrection:

1 Co 15:51-52 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible,,(this can only happen at the resurrection) and we shall be changed.

1Corinthians15:51-52 is about the 1Thessalonians4:15-18 event, the resurrection of the dead in Christ and the translation (rapture) of the living in Christ.

But that is not the mystery of God in Revelation 10:7.

The mystery of God in Revelation 10:7 is the contents of the book with seven seals that Jesus opened in Revelation 5-6. In short, the mystery of God is everything in Revelation 6-22, as Revelation ties together everything that God declared to the prophets in the old testament.

 

[Douggg]

@shepherdsword

Look at this consistency.

First in Revelation 5:10-14....

In Revelation 5:8, when Jesus came forward to open the book, the 24 elders rejoiced with praising Jesus. And spoke of their destiny to rule upon the earth in Revelation 5:10

10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

Next in Revelation 11:

In Revelation 11:15-19, the seventh angel has just sounded. And the 24 elders rejoice as the mystery of God has entered it final phases.

Next in Revelation 19:

In Revelation 19:4 the 24 elders praise and worship God.