Ammillennialism's illegitimate redefining and switching around of the meaning of Greek words and biblical concepts

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Dear Lizbeth and @Hazelelponi , Peter never said that nor implied that.

Please go back and read again = Peter is pointing us Back to GENESIS as well as Forward to the Second Coming

Amil is another 'ism that divides the Body of Christ = Satan has 6,000 years advance development of false teachings for us to take in.

The Scriptures and Holy Spirit is our Guide out of all that we were born into in this world of darkness, including the 'isms'

The Number 1 Reason why so many 'isms' is we break the Commandment of God given to us at least three times.
This Continuous Commandment
covers ALL of Scripture.

Deuteronomy 4:2 , Proverbs 3:5-6 , Revelation 22:18-19


Not many obey this most crucial Commandment

The Entire World was brought under the Judgment of Sin all because this Commandment was not obeyed.
I honestly don't really like pigeon-holing people with labels because there can be variations within one general belief or differences in the details.....although I understand these terms are used for convenience.

2 Peter 3....this is my paraphrase of how I understand it:. << Scoffers in the last days saying where is the promise of His coming for all things continue as usual....they willingly forget that the Lord created the world, and once before, after a long wait, the day came when He judged it (with the flood). We musn't be ignorant of the fact that with the Lord a thousand years is as a day to Him, not a long time, and we are to account this long period of waiting for His promised coming to judge the world as salvation (meaning time and opportunity for people to be saved).>>

One problem with a premillennial view is that they have the Lord returning twice because that is the only way they can reconcile a future earthly millennium with the world burning up at His coming (2 Peter 3) as well as Jesus handing the kingdom back to the Father at His coming (1 Cor 15:24).
 

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Satan really hates this thread. Too much truth.
Yes, Satan is certainly not pleased with the abundance of truth being shown by the Amils in this thread. But, I'm sure he really enjoys your false teaching.

The ministers of his corruptions of the Word of God are out with all their fiery arrows of sulphur, full of his words again :rolleyes:
<yawn>

You have nothing at all to refute our arguments. You don't even attempt to do so. All you are able to do is respond with this kind of useless nonsense.

Here's a hlf for @Spiritual Israelite and another hlf for @WPM to place under this post and a strs for @Hazelelponi regarding their wars on behalf of those who corrupt the scriptures (in case y'all can't find the buttons in your haste).
Thanks!

@David in NJ @Davidpt I'm only answering you guys' posts in this thread now (if you answer or comment on or disagree with any more of my posts in this thread) because not one of the others can support their false claims regarding Revelation 20:4 - so I'm ignoring them all because that sulphur kind of smells.
We can and have supported our claims regarding Revelation 20:4 EXTENSIVELY and THOROUGHLY many times. Whether you agree with our support of our claims does not matter to us. It's your choice.
 
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I'm going to be honest with you here. This is not the forum for you. You should spend time on a forum discussing Christian behavior. This is an end times forum where end times scriptures are discussed and debated. You don't debate at all. You just make claims and act like that's enough. You don't exegete any scripture or make any coherent arguments at all to support your claims.

This forum is a place where beliefs that equate with what labels or "isms" like amillennialism and premillennialism teach. You act like these labels or "isms" are evil or something. No, they just provide an easier way of describing what someone believes in a general sense. Of course, not all Amils believe everything the same and not all Premils believe everything the same. But, those labels tell you some things about what someone believes, such as their understanding of the timing of the thousand years in Revelation 20. There's nothing wrong with using labels for that purpose.
Why debate with GOD when HE Says: "AFTER the 1,000 years"

There is no debate, only 'isms' that seek to undermine "AFTER"

Why?


Because 'isms' want to be right, even when they are wrong!

Stone throwing is the outcome of seeking to protect an 'ism'

When that does not work "they" said "cruicify Him and give us Barabus"

Rabbinical judaism crucified the MESSIAH of Israel.

They did so with the assistance and cooperation of Romanism
 
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Why debate with GOD when HE Says: "AFTER the 1,000 years"
What does this even mean? You are always so VAGUE. You have no idea how to debate or have a normal discussion. You need to learn to be more SPECIFIC. Satan's little season occurs after the thousand years. Is that what you're talking about? If so, what are you saying about it?

There is no debate,
Yes, there is. When people disagree on doctrine, they debate over which view is correct. That's part of the purpose of this forum.

only 'isms' that seek to undermine "AFTER"
What does this mean? I can only guess as to what you're saying here.

Why?

Because 'isms' want to be right, even when they are wrong!
If you think they are wrong, then prove it. Your words alone prove nothing. Use scripture to show why it's wrong.
 
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I honestly don't really like pigeon-holing people with labels because there can be variations within one general belief or differences in the details.....although I understand these terms are used for convenience.

2 Peter 3....this is my paraphrase of how I understand it:. << Scoffers in the last days saying where is the promise of His coming for all things continue as usual....they willingly forget that the Lord created the world, and once before, after a long wait, the day came when He judged it (with the flood). We musn't be ignorant of the fact that with the Lord a thousand years is as a day to Him, not a long time, and we are to account this long period of waiting for His promised coming to judge the world as salvation (meaning time and opportunity for people to be saved).>>

One problem with a premillennial view is that they have the Lord returning twice because that is the only way they can reconcile a future earthly millennium with the world burning up at His coming (2 Peter 3) as well as Jesus handing the kingdom back to the Father at His coming (1 Cor 15:24).
i was late for dinner and when i came back i edited my post.

In my first sentence i removed the word "that" and replaced it with "amillenialism" to be precise/specific.

Those who hold to more then one 2nd Coming are those who are blinded by man-made false doctrine of pre-trib rapture.

Dispensationalism is a very deadly doctrine that separates Jew from Gentile in CHRIST, and many other evils.

The GUARANTEED TRUTH that we can all SEE is the words of CHRIST/Gospel concerning His 2nd Coming

And Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life. He who comes to Me shall never hunger, and he who believes in Me shall never thirst.
But I said to you that you have seen Me and yet do not believe. All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will by no means cast out. For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me. This is the will of the Father who sent Me, that of all He has given Me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up at the last day. And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day.”

@Hazelelponi, i am including you here because i love you and the Spirit of Christ that is in you = HalleluYAH

Lizbeth, here is a magnificent REVELATION of the HOLY SPIRIT that we can all REJOICE in = Isaiah 46:10 , Acts 15:18

I Declare the End from the Beginning, And from ancient times things that are not yet done,
Saying, ‘My counsel shall stand, And I will do all My pleasure,’

Known unto God are all his works from the Beginning of the world.


the doctrine of amillenialism denies this REVELATION of the GLORY of GOD

That is how we know not to trust 'isms' = when the 'isms' deny God's Forekowledge = like that man did on that video yesterday

@Zao is life
 
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Those that fall away, fall away before the first resurrection, not after it. Therefore, they never have part in the first resurrection to begin with, and that it is not reasonable, that after having put on bodily immortality that one can somehow lose that bodily immortality. @Zao is life might disagree with that, though. I'm not certain. His position in regards to some of that is not entirely clear to me. At least not yet anyway.

Well I don't know what Adam and Eve - who were alive [zao] and would have remained that way forever - thought about whether or not they could lose their connection to the only source, which is the eternal life [zoe] that exists in the Word (John 1:4), and Christ alone possesses in Himself.

Jesus told us to fear Him who is able to destroy both body and soul in "gehennah" - which is the metaphor He always used when speaking of everlasting destruction. Was He talking about a resurrected body and soul being destroyed in gehennah following the judgment of the dead, or about what would happen before those judged in that way had risen from the dead bodily?

Or was He just using 'figurative' language about something that He knew would never happen, just in order to put fear into His hearers?

That's all I see. I don't see a detailed explanation of why the 7th trumpet talks about the time of the dead being judged, or why Jesus and the apostles both spoke about only one day of judgment when the dead will be judged, if there will be a second day when the dead will be judged at the close of the millennium.

Nor do I see an explanation of why the exact same blessings described for those in the new heavens and earth are described for those who came out from great tribulation at the end of this age as though they will immediately be taken up into the new heavens and earth following the return of Christ.

All I see is what looks to me like a parenthetic passage (Revelation 20:1-10) which

(a) appears to be an anomaly to the rest of the narrative regarding the return of Christ; and
(b) contains two witnesses within the passage which prove that it can't be talking about something taking place "now, and since the ascension of Christ till the return of Christ".

What I also see is the opening of a narrative in the first three chapters of the Bible closing in the last three chapters of the same Bible.

Open (first three chapters): Beginning of time: God's creation (Genesis 1:1-31).
Close (last three chapters): Christ makes all things new (Revelation 21:5).

Open: Perfectly good (Genesis 1:31).
Close: Only righteousness dwells in it (Revelation 21:27).

Open: Tree of life (Genesis 2:9, 16-17).
Close: Tree of life (Revelation 21:6; Revelation 22:1-2, 14, 17).

Open: Adam given dominion (Genesis 1:26-28).
Close: The dominion of the last Adam (Revelation 20:4 - also see Revelation 3:21).

Open (first three chapters):

(a) Satan's deception of Adam & Eve (which began with the words "You will not surely die" - Genesis 3:1-7, 11-19).

(b) Expulsion from Eden (Genesis 3:22-24).

(c) Death of Adam (the first death) - 930 years later (Genesis 5:5).

In-between the opening chapters and the closing chapters:

--- "I am the Resurrection [anastasis]
and the (eternal) life [zoe]!" (John 11:25 - Jesus) ---​

Close (last three chapters):

(a) Revelation 20:4, 5b & 6:
"Then I saw thrones and seated on them were those who had been given authority to judge. I also saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of the testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God. These had not worshiped the beast or his image and had refused to receive his mark on their forehead or hand.

They were alive [zao]
and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. This is the first resurrection [anastasis]. Blessed and holy is the one who takes part in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ, and they will reign with him for a thousand years."

(b) Satan's deception of the nations (Gog & Magog) (The first deception began with the words, "You will not surely die"):

"And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city:

and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them. *

"Fear not them which kill the body [soma], but are not able to kill the soul [psuche]: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul [psuche] and body [soma] in gehennah [G1067 geenna]." (Matthew 10:28).

"And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night to the ages of the ages." (Revelation 20:7-10).

I know what Amillennialists will say, but they always, always ignore ALL the scriptures which negate what they say, OR change the meaning of the scriptures so as to force them to comply with Amillennialism, OR change the meaning of the Greek words used in order to force the scriptures to comply with Amillennialism.

I'm not interested in any of that. I'm only interested in the truth of scripture, and in the authority of scripture over me, and over my mind - which means that I'm forced to acknowledge the fact that I see scripture teaching about A DAY in which the dead will be judged, and pointing to a new heavens and new earth at the commencement of the ages of the ages, at the time of the return of Christ,

AND to a thousand-year age commencing at the same time - which to me begins at Revelation 20:1 and ends in Revelation 20:10, and is a parenthetic chapter in-between verses talking about the judgment of the dead (when the 7th trumpet sounds) and THE SAME judgment of the dead in Revelation 20:11-15.

Adam believed he could not lose his own immortality because he was alive [zao] in his body and would have lived forever - but he lost his connection to the source of life [zoe].

That was the first time. The first time, Jesus came to save us. The second and last time, scripture says,

and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them. *
 
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The concern raised in this thread deserves to be taken seriously: no Christian should redefine Greek terms or biblical concepts to force a theological outcome. But that standard cuts both ways, and when the Greek grammar and usage are examined carefully, the charge against Amillennialism does not hold.

A few clarifications are necessary.

1) ζωὴ (zōē) and ζάω (zaō) are not rigid, mutually exclusive categories

It is true that ζωὴ often denotes “life” with theological depth in the New Testament, and that ζάω commonly means “to live” or “to be alive.” However, the argument presented assumes a fixed technical distinction between these terms that the Greek language itself does not sustain.

In both the LXX and NT:

ζωὴ can denote ordinary creaturely life, not only eternal life.

ζάω can be used figuratively or theologically, not only for bodily animation.

Lexicons define ranges of meaning, not iron rules. Treating ζάω as “always bodily life” and ζωὴ as “always spiritual life” is itself an example of illegitimate semantic restriction, the very error being alleged.

2) Genesis 2:7 does not establish a New Testament soteriological distinction

Genesis 2:7 (LXX) describes animation: God breathes the “breath of life,” and man becomes a “living being” (ψυχὴν ζῶσαν). Nothing in the grammar establishes ζωὴ as a technical category of eternal life distinct from ζάω in the later Pauline or Johannine sense.

Reading a fully developed NT theology of eternal life back into Genesis 2:7 is theological inference, not grammatical necessity.

3) Revelation 20:4 — the Greek does not demand a bodily resurrection reading

Revelation 20:4 uses the aorist verb ἔζησαν (“they lived / came to life”). Standard Greek grammars—including Daniel Wallace—identify this as an ingressive aorist, emphasizing entrance into a state, not specifying the nature of embodiment.

Crucially, Wallace groups Revelation 20:4 with Luke 15:32 (“was dead and is alive again”), a passage universally recognized as figurative, not bodily resurrection language. That alone demonstrates that ζάω does not require a bodily resurrection referent.

Thus, the claim that Amillennialism “redefines” ζάω in Revelation 20 fails at the grammatical level. The verb itself does not settle the debate; context does.

4) “ἀνάστασις always means bodily resurrection” is overstated

While ἀνάστασις frequently refers to bodily resurrection, asserting that it always and only does so is linguistically imprecise. Words carry meaning in context, and Revelation is apocalyptic literature, not a Pauline didactic epistle.

The dispute in Revelation 20 is not whether bodily resurrection exists (all orthodox views affirm it), but which resurrection is in view and how John structures the vision.

5) Romans 8 and Romans 14 do not support the proposed dichotomy

Romans 8:10–11 speaks of:

present possession of life in Christ

future vivification of mortal bodies

The verbs involved (ζωοποιέω, ζάω, ἐγείρω) overlap semantically and contextually. They do not support a hard separation between “spiritual ζωὴ now” versus “bodily ζάω later” as if the NT itself enforces that distinction.

Similarly, Romans 14:9 is cited as if it hinges on a special resurrection verb (ἀναζάω), but the passage simply affirms Christ’s lordship over both the living and the dead—again without the lexical freight being placed upon it.

6) Textual integrity is not in question

The passages under discussion (John 5; John 11; Romans 8; Romans 14; Revelation 20) are textually stable and well-attested.
This is an interpretive disagreement, not a textual one.

Conclusion

Amillennialism does not survive by “switching Greek words around.” It stands or falls on contextual exegesis of apocalyptic literature, not on denying bodily resurrection, redefining ζωὴ, or evacuating ζάω of meaning.

Ironically, the argument advanced here commits the very error it accuses others of committing: freezing lexical glosses into absolute categories and then demanding that the text conform to them.

Faithful interpretation means letting context, genre, and usage govern meaning—not importing theological conclusions into individual verb forms.

**Daniel B. Wallace Greek Grammar Beyond the Basics: An Exegetical Syntax of the New Testament (Zondervan, 1996) is the reference used for the Greek discussion in my reply.
Where have you been all my life?
Great post.
 

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Why debate with GOD when HE Says: "AFTER the 1,000 years"
After the thousand years Satan is loosed to deceive the nations and gather them to himself....'unified' under him. It sure seems as though that is what is beginning to happen now brother.. And I wonder if this is the same thing that 2 Thes 2 is talking about here:

2Th 2:7-12

For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
 
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After the thousand years Satan is loosed to deceive the nations and gather them to himself....'unified' under him. It sure seems as though that is what is beginning to happen now brother.. And I wonder if this is the same thing that 2 Thes 2 is talking about here:

2Th 2:7-12

For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Lizbeth,the Resurrection occurs ONLY on the Last Day, which is His 2nd Coming = John 6:37-40

And Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life. He who comes to Me shall never hunger, and he who believes in Me shall never thirst.
But I said to you that you have seen Me and yet do not believe. All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will by no means cast out. For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me.
This is the will of the Father who sent Me, that of all He has given Me I should lose nothing,
but should raise it up at the last day.
And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life;
and I will raise him up at the last day.”

When GOD Speaks Twice, it is best to stop throwing dice at scripture!!!


What happens BEFORE the 1,000 years = the First Resurrection = Rev 20:4-6

Then I saw the thrones, and those seated on them had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their testimony of Jesus and for the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or hands.
And they came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.

The rest of the dead did not come back to life until the thousand years were complete.
This is the first resurrection.
Blessed and holy are those who share in the first resurrection!

The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with Him for a thousand years.
 
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After the thousand years Satan is loosed to deceive the nations and gather them to himself....'unified' under him. It sure seems as though that is what is beginning to happen now brother.. And I wonder if this is the same thing that 2 Thes 2 is talking about here:

2Th 2:7-12

For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

What I see 2 Thessalonanians 2 :3-17 matching is Matthew 24:15-51, Revelation 13 and the 42 month reign of the beast, and Revelation 19, to name a few. Could it also be matching satan's little season after the millennium? No, because Revelation 20:4 already proves that the 42 month reign of the beast precede satan's little season, not parallel it.

and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads---Compare with Revelation 13.
 
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@Hazelelponi by placing a love under that remark even after I messaged you directly about motives you have shown your claim below up to be not worth more than the bytes of electronic data it took to store them:



Sure. Does the Lord Jesus Christ fully believe you about your first sentence above and how perfectly good your motives are?
Address the avoided biblical arguments and stop being so childish.
 

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Satan really hates this thread. Too much truth. The ministers of his corruptions of the Word of God are out with all their fiery arrows of sulphur, full of his words again :rolleyes: hmn

Here's a hlf for @Spiritual Israelite and another hlf for @WPM to place under this post and a strs for @Hazelelponi regarding their wars on behalf of those who corrupt the scriptures (in case y'all can't find the buttons in your haste).

@David in NJ @Davidpt I'm only answering you guys' posts in this thread now (if you answer or comment on or disagree with any more of my posts in this thread) because not one of the others can support their false claims regarding Revelation 20:4 - so I'm ignoring them all because that sulphur kind of smells.

I haven't answered @Lizbeth 's first post (though she seems in the same camp as the others) only because I hadn't got to do so yet, but I think I will give it a miss.
LOL. You have been doing this for years. When truth is presented that exposes your beliefs you run and name-call. This is your pattern. It is so petty. You cannot even address one single rebuttal. Your thesis went up in a puff smoke real quick.

Your avoidance doesn't hurt us or Amil, it hurts you and Premil. When posters do that I consider it a compliment. There is no rebuttal to the truth!
 

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What does this even mean? You are always so VAGUE. You have no idea how to debate or have a normal discussion. You need to learn to be more SPECIFIC. Satan's little season occurs after the thousand years. Is that what you're talking about? If so, what are you saying about it?


Yes, there is. When people disagree on doctrine, they debate over which view is correct. That's part of the purpose of this forum.


What does this mean? I can only guess as to what you're saying here.


If you think they are wrong, then prove it. Your words alone prove nothing. Use scripture to show why it's wrong.
Exactly. They are all the same. They have no response to the truth. They cannot address and refute the Amil arguments here because to do so would involve denying truth. All they have is avoidance and ad hominem.
 

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Lizbeth,the Resurrection occurs ONLY on the Last Day, which is His 2nd Coming = John 6:37-40

And Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life. He who comes to Me shall never hunger, and he who believes in Me shall never thirst.
But I said to you that you have seen Me and yet do not believe. All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will by no means cast out. For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me.
This is the will of the Father who sent Me, that of all He has given Me I should lose nothing,
but should raise it up at the last day.
And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life;
and I will raise him up at the last day.”

When GOD Speaks Twice, it is best to stop throwing dice at scripture!!!


What happens BEFORE the 1,000 years = the First Resurrection = Rev 20:4-6

Then I saw the thrones, and those seated on them had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their testimony of Jesus and for the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or hands.
And they came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.

The rest of the dead did not come back to life until the thousand years were complete.
This is the first resurrection.
Blessed and holy are those who share in the first resurrection!

The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with Him for a thousand years.
  • Who is "the first that should rise" in Acts 26:23?
  • Who is "the firstborn from the dead" in Colossians 1:18?
  • Who is "the firstfruits of them that slept" in 1 Corinthians 15:20?
  • Who is "first begotten of the dead" in Revelation 1:5?

    When you establish this it will help you establish Revelation 20:6 - that is if you believe in letting Scripture interpret Scripture (as Amils do).
 

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  • Who is "the first that should rise" in Acts 26:23?
  • Who is "the firstborn from the dead" in Colossians 1:18?
  • Who is "the firstfruits of them that slept" in 1 Corinthians 15:20?
  • Who is "first begotten of the dead" in Revelation 1:5?

    When you establish this it will help you establish Revelation 20:6 - that is if you believe in letting Scripture interpret Scripture (as Amils do).
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Well I don't know what Adam and Eve - who were alive [zao] and would have remained that way forever - thought about whether or not they could lose their connection to the only source, which is the eternal life [zoe] that exists in the Word (John 1:4), and Christ alone possesses in Himself.

Jesus told us to fear Him who is able to destroy both body and soul in "gehennah" - which is the metaphor He always used when speaking of everlasting destruction. Was He talking about a resurrected body and soul being destroyed in gehennah following the judgment of the dead, or about what would happen before those judged in that way had risen from the dead bodily?

Or was He just using 'figurative' language about something that He knew would never happen, just in order to put fear into His hearers?

That's all I see. I don't see a detailed explanation of why the 7th trumpet talks about the time of the dead being judged, or why Jesus and the apostles both spoke about only one day of judgment when the dead will be judged, if there will be a second day when the dead will be judged at the close of the millennium.

Nor do I see an explanation of why the exact same blessings described for those in the new heavens and earth are described for those who came out from great tribulation at the end of this age as though they will immediately be taken up into the new heavens and earth following the return of Christ.

All I see is what looks to me like a parenthetic passage (Revelation 20:1-10) which

(a) appears to be an anomaly to the rest of the narrative regarding the return of Christ; and
(b) contains two witnesses within the passage which prove that it can't be talking about something taking place "now, and since the ascension of Christ till the return of Christ".

What I also see is the opening of a narrative in the first three chapters of the Bible closing in the last three chapters of the same Bible.

Open (first three chapters): Beginning of time: God's creation (Genesis 1:1-31).
Close (last three chapters): Christ makes all things new (Revelation 21:5).

Open: Perfectly good (Genesis 1:31).
Close: Only righteousness dwells in it (Revelation 21:27).

Open: Tree of life (Genesis 2:9, 16-17).
Close: Tree of life (Revelation 21:6; Revelation 22:1-2, 14, 17).

Open: Adam given dominion (Genesis 1:26-28).
Close: The dominion of the last Adam (Revelation 20:4 - also see Revelation 3:21).

Open (first three chapters):

(a) Satan's deception of Adam & Eve (which began with the words "You will not surely die" - Genesis 3:1-7, 11-19).

(b) Expulsion from Eden (Genesis 3:22-24).

(c) Death of Adam (the first death) - 930 years later (Genesis 5:5).

In-between the opening chapters and the closing chapters:

--- "I am the Resurrection [anastasis]
and the (eternal) life [zoe]!" (John 11:25 - Jesus) ---​

Close (last three chapters):

(a) Revelation 20:4, 5b & 6:
"Then I saw thrones and seated on them were those who had been given authority to judge. I also saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of the testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God. These had not worshiped the beast or his image and had refused to receive his mark on their forehead or hand.

They were alive [zao]
and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. This is the first resurrection [anastasis]. Blessed and holy is the one who takes part in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ, and they will reign with him for a thousand years."

(b) Satan's deception of the nations (Gog & Magog) (The first deception began with the words, "You will not surely die"):

"And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city:

and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them. *

"Fear not them which kill the body [soma], but are not able to kill the soul [psuche]: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul [psuche] and body [soma] in gehennah [G1067 geenna]." (Matthew 10:28).

"And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night to the ages of the ages." (Revelation 20:7-10).

I know what Amillennialists will say, but they always, always ignore ALL the scriptures which negate what they say, OR change the meaning of the scriptures so as to force them to comply with Amillennialism, OR change the meaning of the Greek words used in order to force the scriptures to comply with Amillennialism.

I'm not interested in any of that. I'm only interested in the truth of scripture, and in the authority of scripture over me, and over my mind - which means that I'm forced to acknowledge the fact that I see scripture teaching about A DAY in which the dead will be judged, and pointing to a new heavens and new earth at the commencement of the ages of the ages, at the time of the return of Christ,

AND to a thousand-year age commencing at the same time - which to me begins at Revelation 20:1 and ends in Revelation 20:10, and is a parenthetic chapter in-between verses talking about the judgment of the dead (when the 7th trumpet sounds) and THE SAME judgment of the dead in Revelation 20:11-15.

Adam believed he could not lose his own immortality because he was alive [zao] in his body and would have lived forever - but he lost his connection to the source of life [zoe].

That was the first time. The first time, Jesus came to save us. The second and last time, scripture says,

and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them. *
Notice that perfection and the removal of the bondage of corruption arrives when Jesus comes in the NHNE not some imaginary sin-cursed goat-infested death-blighted in between this age and the age to come.
  • Nowhere in Scripture depicts time continuing on the earth after the second coming.
  • Nowhere in Scripture depicts sin and sinners continuing on the earth after the second coming.
  • Nowhere in Scripture depicts crying and dying continuing on the earth after the second coming.
  • Nowhere in Scripture depicts war and terror continuing on the earth after the second coming.
  • Nowhere in Scripture depicts Satan and his minions continuing on the earth after the second coming.
  • Nowhere in Scripture depicts mortals continuing on the earth after the second coming.
  • Nowhere in Scripture depicts the bondage of corruption continuing on the earth after the second coming
That is forced into the sacred text by Premil.
 
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