Let's examine Revelation 20:4 yet again.

[David in NJ]

No that's why I was asking

i am hesitant now because of your insistence unbelief towards Scripture

When a person limits Truth to only context, they fall into a man-made trap.

 

[Davidpt]

When a person limits Truth to only context, they fall into a man-made trap.

I don't know if something like the following is what you had in mind? Obviously, 'context' is subjective. What one person sees as the context, another person might see something entirely different as the context. Assuming one of them is correct, both can't be correct. And if the one that is not correct is using context as an argument, they are using that argument in vain if the context isn't involving what they insist it is involving.

For example, Matthew 24:30. The Preterists insist the context involves a coming in judgment in 70 AD involving unbelieving Jews and the city they have not fled from. Therefore, it is in vain for the Preterists to insist that the context proves they are interpreting verse 30 correctly when the context isn't even remotely involving 70 AD and unbelieving Jews that failed to flee the city before the Romans attacked them and the city.

 

[Marty fox]

i am hesitant now because of your insistence unbelief towards Scripture

When a person limits Truth to only context, they fall into a man-made trap.

Are you serious here?

I have a insistent unbelief in scripture because I believe that God meant stars when He asked Abraham to go outside look up and count the stars?

 

[jeffweeder]

Both a verse and and a chapter

You don't know?

No. Please help.

What verse was that?

 

[David in NJ]

No. Please help.

What verse was that?

Hey - Buzz Off

Only kidding Jeff, i said that because of your avatar = and i like to laugh = good for the bones.

 

[David in NJ]

Are you serious here?

I have a insistent unbelief in scripture because I believe that God meant stars when He asked Abraham to go outside look up and count the stars?

Are you serious here???

You were given point-blank irrefutable scripture where God Said thru the angel sent to Daniel.

Here it is again AND the only refuting is thru unbelief

At that time Michael, the great prince who stands watch over your people, will rise up. There will be a time of distress, the likes of which will not have occurred from the beginning of nations until that time. But at that time your people—everyone whose name is found written in the book—will be delivered.

2And many who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake, some to everlasting life, but others to shame and everlasting contempt.
Then the wise will shine like the brightness of the heavens, and those who lead many to righteousness
will shine like the stars forever and ever.
Daniel 12:1-3

 

[Davidpt]

Are you serious here???

You were given point-blank irrefutable scripture where God Said thru the angel sent to Daniel.

Here it is again AND the only refuting is thru unbelief

At that time Michael, the great prince who stands watch over your people, will rise up. There will be a time of distress, the likes of which will not have occurred from the beginning of nations until that time. But at that time your people—everyone whose name is found written in the book—will be delivered.

2And many who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake, some to everlasting life, but others to shame and everlasting contempt.
Then the wise will shine like the brightness of the heavens, and those who lead many to righteousness
will shine like the stars forever and ever.
Daniel 12:1-3

Is it your opinion that literal stars will not be shining forever?

 

[Marty fox]

Are you serious here???

You were given point-blank irrefutable scripture where God Said thru the angel sent to Daniel.

Here it is again AND the only refuting is thru unbelief

At that time Michael, the great prince who stands watch over your people, will rise up. There will be a time of distress, the likes of which will not have occurred from the beginning of nations until that time. But at that time your people—everyone whose name is found written in the book—will be delivered.

2And many who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake, some to everlasting life, but others to shame and everlasting contempt.
Then the wise will shine like the brightness of the heavens, and those who lead many to righteousness
will shine like the stars forever and ever.
Daniel 12:1-3

First of all that’s not a verse in Genesis it’s in the book of Daniel

Second how does that prove my insistence unbelief towards Scripture when it’s talking about literal stars not angels? It sates the brightness of the heavens meaning the star?

 

[David in NJ]

Is it your opinion that literal stars will not be shining forever?

Why would you ask something like that?


All details of the current Creation including the New Heavens and Earth are GOD's Domain = not yours, mine or anybody's.

First of all that’s not a verse in Genesis it’s in the book of Daniel

Second how does that prove my insistence unbelief towards Scripture when it’s talking about literal stars not angels? It sates the brightness of the heavens meaning the star?

Because literal stars are literal stars INCLUDING God using literal "stars" to describe His angels and more...............

 

[Marty fox]

Why would you ask something like that?


All details of the current Creation including the New Heavens and Earth are GOD's Domain = not yours, mine or anybody's.


Because literal stars are literal stars INCLUDING God using literal "stars" to describe His angels and more...............

What’s that got to do with my question?

I already said that sometimes stars are stars and sometimes angels but the context of the verse tells us when

You said that I have an insistent unbelief in scripture and that’s insulting and not true and you haven’t proven that I do.

 

[David in NJ]

What’s that got to do with my question?

I already said that sometimes stars are stars and sometimes angels but the context of the verse tells us when

You said that I have an insistent unbelief in scripture and that’s insulting and not true and you haven’t proven that I do.

Then the LORD brought Abram outside and said, “Look now toward heaven, and count the stars if you are able to number them.”
And He said to him, “So shall your descendants be.”

Your question began with asking "How do i know the number?" When i said "likely" trillians

Now we know more then trillians as i am sure God also said in another place:
And so from this one man, and he as good as dead, came descendants as numerous as the stars in the sky and as countless as the sand on the seashore.

Stay together Marty so that we stay together in Christ.

 

[ewq1938]

Where do you get there are trillions of angels?

Heb_12:22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,

 

[Marty fox]

Then the LORD brought Abram outside and said, “Look now toward heaven, and count the stars if you are able to number them.”
And He said to him, “So shall your descendants be.”

Your question began with asking "How do i know the number?" When i said "likely" trillians

Now we know more then trillians as i am sure God also said in another place:
And so from this one man, and he as good as dead, came descendants as numerous as the stars in the sky and as countless as the sand on the seashore.

Stay together Marty so that we stay together in Christ.

You make completely no sense and are proving my view that the bible doesn’t say that there are trillions of angels

 

[ewq1938]

You make completely no sense and are proving my view that the bible doesn’t say that there are trillions of angels

I think there is...

 

[WPM]

Heb_12:22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,

That does not say trillions.

 

[David in NJ]

I think there is...

Our conversion has me thinking and searching, my data base in my head for now, and things are churning.

Gonna take some time to dig in scripture as there is much to cover AND we have a bit of an emergency = need oil burner replaced.

We purchased a new one and someone is coming to install on Thursday but i have yet to speak with him on it.
This is a SIDE JOB as i cannot afford to pay a plumber $4500.00

Please pray for SUCCESS on the install as it is winter.

Thank You

 

[Marty fox]

Heb_12:22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,

Yes you are using decent scriptures proving angels yes I agree.

The most known translation is thousands upon thousands showing a massive symbolic number I’m sure in the millions but not trillions. If it were it would say millions upon millions

 

[David in NJ]

Yes you are using decent scriptures proving angels yes I agree.

The most known translation is thousands upon thousands showing a massive symbolic number I’m sure in the millions but not trillions. If it were it would say millions upon millions

GOD said "LOOK UP"

What do we know about the depth of space and the stars = can't count them all = beyond billions and trillions maybe

Does this offend you? That with GOD all things are possible? = you find that offensive?

 

[claninja]

Your own words

My own words what? I don’t know what you are trying to get at?

 

[ewq1938]

Yes you are using decent scriptures proving angels yes I agree.

The most known translation is thousands upon thousands showing a massive symbolic number I’m sure in the millions but not trillions. If it were it would say millions upon millions

It says innumerable which means uncountable etc. I think that could be trillions, or more, or less. The word can mean several things including a number so vast we cannot comprehend it which is why many translations use innumerable.

I’m sure in the millions but not trillions

Why is millions ok with you but not trillions? It could be either, or both...