Overview time line chart of the 7 years

[shepherdsword]

Revelation 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

This woe is not one of the three woes. Rev 12 is a distinct separate vison about Israel.

Where do you put that short time that Satan will have left on the time line ? And what trumpet is it associated with ?

His short time begins when he possess the antichrist and causes the abomination of desolation.

1Corinthians15:51-52 is about the 1Thessalonians4:15-18 event, the resurrection of the dead in Christ and the translation (rapture) of the living in Christ.

It is also about the resurrection for judgement that happens in Rev 11. 1Cor 15:51-51, 1 Thes 4:15-18 and Rev 11:15-18 are all the SAME event as has been proven.

But that is not the mystery of God in Revelation 10:7.

The mystery of God in Revelation 10:7 is the contents of the book with seven seals that Jesus opened in Revelation 5-6. In short, the mystery of God is everything in Revelation 6-22, as Revelation ties together everything that God declared to the prophets in the old testament.

The seven seals were opened in Rev 5. This book is the open book which reveals the mystery of the resurrection. It clearly says the mystery of God is finished at the 7th trumpet. What happens at the 7th trumpet? The resurrection and judgement of the dead and the rewarding of the saints. It could no be more clear.

 

[Douggg]

His short time begins when he possess the antichrist and causes the abomination of desolation.

Satan's short time left will be how long ?

If Satan is possessing the Antichrist person, then why is Satan not cast into the lake of fire when Jesus returns, like the Antichrist person will be ?

 

[Douggg]

This woe is not one of the three woes. Rev 12 is a distinct separate vison about Israel.

The woman in Revelation 12 is Israel, correct. The woe of Satan cast down to earth will affect all of the inhabiters of the earth, though.

It is not by chance that the text of Revelation 12:12 has "woe to the inhabiters of the earth" in it.

As does Revelation 8:13, regarding the last three trumpets sounding and the three woes to the inhabiters of the earth. Revelation 8:13 does not speak about a fourth woe to the inhabiters of the earth.

Revelation 8:13 And I beheld, and heard an angel flying through the midst of heaven, saying with a loud voice, Woe, woe, woe, to the inhabiters of the earth by reason of the other voices of the trumpet of the three angels, which are yet to sound!

 

[shepherdsword]

Satan's short time left will be how long ?

42 months

If Satan is possessing the Antichrist person, then why is Satan not cast into the lake of fire when Jesus returns, like the Antichrist person will be ?

That should be obvious...He leaves at his defeat.

 

[shepherdsword]

The woman in Revelation 12 is Israel, correct. The woe of Satan cast down to earth will affect all of the inhabiters of the earth, though.

It is not by chance that the text of Revelation 12:12 has "woe to the inhabiters of the earth" in it.

As does Revelation 8:13, regarding the last three trumpets sounding and the three woes to the inhabiters of the earth. Revelation 8:13 does not speak about a fourth woe to the inhabiters of the earth.

Revelation 8:13 And I beheld, and heard an angel flying through the midst of heaven, saying with a loud voice, Woe, woe, woe, to the inhabiters of the earth by reason of the other voices of the trumpet of the three angels, which are yet to sound!

You are totally ignoring what happens after we are told the 3rd woe comes quickly. The next thing that happens is the 7th Trumpet and the return of Jesus.

Rv 11:14-15
The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.
And the seventh angel sounded;

The kingdoms of the earth become his

Rv 11:15
and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

He judges the dead and rewards the saints

Rv 11:16-18
And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,
Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned. And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy

Now explain how this in not the return of the Lord but rather the casting out of Satan. Your position makes no sense.

 

[Douggg]

42 months

That should be obvious...He leaves at his defeat.

42 months is not what is in Revelation 12. What is in Revelation 12 is the time, times, half time of Revelation 12:14.

Regarding Satan not being cast into the lake of fire at Jesus's return - will not be because Satan will have been possessing the Antichrist person.

Go to Ezekiel 28:12-19, which is talking about Satan and him being cast down to earth in verse 17.

In verse 18...is what is going to happen to Satan the day that Jesus returns.

17 Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.

18 Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.

19 All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more.

So Satan is going to be exposed when the statue image that he will be indwelling will burst into flames and turned to ashes. And in verse 19, everyone who will have been worshiping that statue image, that breathes and speaks, will be shocked to find out that they will have been worshiping Satan the whole time.

Here is my visual I made of that day...

 

[Douggg]

You are totally ignoring what happens after we are told the 3rd woe comes quickly. The next thing that happens is the 7th Trumpet and the return of Jesus.

Rv 11:14-15
The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.
And the seventh angel sounded;

The verse is saying that it will be revealed very shorty in what John was being presented what the third woe will be.

 

[shepherdsword]

42 months is not what is in Revelation 12. What is in Revelation 12 is the time, times, half time of Revelation 12:14.

42 months is three and a half years

Regarding Satan not being cast into the lake of fire at Jesus's return - will not be because Satan will have been possessing the Antichrist person.

Go to Ezekiel 28:12-19, which is talking about Satan and him being cast down to earth in verse 17.

In verse 18...is what is going to happen to Satan the day that Jesus returns.

17 Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.

18 Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.

19 All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more.

So Satan is going to be exposed when the statue image that he will be indwelling will burst into flames and turned to ashes. And in verse 19, everyone who will have been worshiping that statue image, that breathes and speaks, will be shocked to find out that they will have been worshiping Satan the whole time.

This happens at the GWT judgement

Here is my visual I made of that day...

View attachment 75718

A nice work of fiction

 

[shepherdsword]

The verse is saying that it will be revealed very shorty in what John was being presented what the third woe will be.

And the next thing that happens is the return of the Lord. Stop jumping over the text and cherry pick verses out of chapter 12. Deal with the context. The next thing that happens after the 3rd woe is mentioned is the blowing of the 7th trumpet. That is the context

 

[Douggg]

This happens at the GWT judgement

The GWT judgment is over a thousand years after Jesus's return.

Ezekiel 28:16-19 will take place the day of Jesus's return.

 

[ewq1938]

Satan's short time left will be how long ?

If Satan is possessing the Antichrist person, then why is Satan not cast into the lake of fire when Jesus returns, like the Antichrist person will be ?

He probably isn't standing anywhere near the AC.

 

[ewq1938]

It is not by chance that the text of Revelation 12:12 has "woe to the inhabiters of the earth" in it.

I searched the bible and found this:

Num_21:29 Woe to thee, Moab! thou art undone, O people of Chemosh: he hath given his sons that escaped, and his daughters, into captivity unto Sihon king of the Amorites.
1Sa_4:7 And the Philistines were afraid, for they said, God is come into the camp. And they said, Woe unto us! for there hath not been such a thing heretofore.
1Sa_4:8 Woe unto us! who shall deliver us out of the hand of these mighty Gods? these are the Gods that smote the Egyptians with all the plagues in the wilderness.

A third WOE is found in 1Sa_4:8!! Wilderness is also mentioned! Could Rev 12 have been fulfilled in the OT?

 

[shepherdsword]

The GWT judgment is over a thousand years after Jesus's return.

Ezekiel 28:16-19 will take place the day of Jesus's return.

You saying it does not make it true. However, I still expect you to deal with the context of the 3rd woe. You skipped right over that:

"And the next thing that happens is the return of the Lord. Stop jumping over the text and cherry pick verses out of chapter 12. Deal with the context. The next thing that happens after the 3rd woe is mentioned is the blowing of the 7th trumpet. That is the context"

 

[Douggg]

However, I still expect you to deal with the context of the 3rd woe. You skipped right over that:

You are not comprehending.

The context of Revelation 11 and 12:

1260 days, in Revelation 11 and Revelation 12
then the seventh angel sounds....
signaling Michael and his angels to cast Satan and his angels down to earth.....
"Woe to the inhabiters of earth". Them in heaven told to rejoice. Revelation 12:12 .....
the 24 elders in heaven rejoice in Revelation 11 that the end of Satan's time has come, just a time, times, half time away...
Paving the way for the time line of events listed in Revelation 11:18 to continue.

 

[shepherdsword]

You are not comprehending.

The context of Revelation 11 and 12:

1260 days, in Revelation 11 and Revelation 12
then the seventh angel sounds....
signaling Michael and his angels to cast Satan and his angels down to earth.....
"Woe to the inhabiters of earth". Them in heaven told to rejoice. Revelation 12:12 .....
the 24 elders in heaven rejoice in Revelation 11 that the end of Satan's time has come, just a time, times, half time away...
Paving the way for the time line of events listed in Revelation 11:18 to continue.

I comprehend this...you are ignoring the context and cherrypicking the woe out of Rev 12 for your own fictional imaginations.

Once again:
Let's examine the text that actually contains the third woe:

After the second woe the third comes quickly.

Rv 11:14-15 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.

And what happens next? The return of Jesus to judge the earth...THAT is the 3rd woe.

Rev 11:16-18 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever. And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God, Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned. And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged,(3rd woe) and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.(3rd woe)

If the casting out of Satan is the third woe how do you account for the return of Christ above? How do you classify the judgement of Christ if it is not a woe? Can't you see that the casting out of Satan had to happen way before this? You are forcing a parenetical passage into the chronology like a square peg in a round hole. and you say I am not comprehending?

 

[Douggg]

I comprehend this...you are ignoring the context and cherrypicking the woe out of Rev 12 for your own fictional imaginations.

You are ignoring Revelation 12. And it is not just "woe" in Revelation 12:12, but "woe to the inhabiters of the earth and sea". Reflective of Revelation 8:13.

You are misunderstanding the declaration from heaven in Revelation 11:15 as being Jesus's
return. It is not. Revelation 11:15 is declaration of God's sovereignty to end Satan's power over the kingdoms of the world.

Jesus's return is not at the moment the seventh angel begins to sound his trumpet.

Jesus's return will be preceded by the time, times, half time of Revelation 12:14. And many other activities described in the bible, such as the kings of the earth gathering their armies at Armageddon to prepare to make war on Jesus and His army in heaven.

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Jesus's judgment actions against the kingdoms and people in rebellion against God is not called a "woe" in Revelation. If you were to say God's wrath or the wrath of the Lamb, instead of woe, that would be correct.

 

[shepherdsword]

You are ignoring Revelation 12. And it is not just "woe" in Revelation 12:12, but "woe to the inhabiters of the earth and sea". Reflective of Revelation 8:13.

I am not ignoring Rev 12. I just understand that the casting out of Lucifer doesn't happen until AFTER the return of Christ

You are misunderstanding the declaration from heaven in Revelation 11:15 as being Jesus's
return. It is not. Revelation 11:15 is declaration of God's sovereignty to end Satan's power over the kingdoms of the world.

Jesus's return is not at the moment the seventh angel begins to sound his trumpet.

It is Christ's return. Anyone with an unbaised eye can see it as such. He takes over the Kingdoms of the earth. The dead are judged and the saints rewarded. The 7th Trump is also the last and this harmonizes perfectly with 1 Cor 15:51-52

Jesus's return will be preceded by the time, times, half time of Revelation 12:14. And many other activities described in the bible, such as the kings of the earth gathering their armies at Armageddon to prepare to make war on Jesus and His army in heaven.

The times, times and half a time END at the 7th trumpet...they don't begin at the 7th trumpet.

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Jesus's judgment actions against the kingdoms and people in rebellion against God is not called a "woe" in Revelation. If you were to say God's wrath or the wrath of the Lamb, instead of woe, that would be correct.

The destruction Jesus brings when he returns can only be classified as a woe.

Isa 63:3-4
I have trodden the winepress alone; and of the people there was none with me: for I will tread them in mine anger, and trample them in my fury; and their blood shall be sprinkled upon my garments, and I will stain all my raiment. For the day of vengeance is in mine heart, and the year of my redeemed is come.

 

[Douggg]

@shepherdsword

Wouldn't you agree that the 24 elders, and all of the holy angels in heaven would be well aware that ever since the garden of Eden that Satan has been the cause of all the troubles in creation ?

And the events revealed in Revelation are to end Satan's evil impact on creation by isolating him in the bottomless pit prison.

So that is why the 24 elders are rejoicing in Revelation 11 because God has taken steps to put an end to Satan's power. Satan's wrath of his time being short is the woe to the inhabitors of the earth and sea.

 

[Douggg]

I am not ignoring Rev 12. I just understand that the casting out of Lucifer doesn't happen until AFTER the return of Christ

What ? The casting down of Satan to earth in Revelation 12:7-12 takes place a time, times, half time before Jesus returns.

When Jesus returns, then Satan will be exposed there on the temple mount, and an angel in Revelation 20:1-3, descends from heaven with a chain, binds Satan and casts Satan into the bottomless pit prison for 1000 years.

 

[shepherdsword]

@shepherdsword

Wouldn't you agree that the 24 elders, and all of the holy angels in heaven would be well aware that ever since the garden of Eden that Satan has been the cause of all the troubles in creation ?

And the events revealed in Revelation are to end Satan's evil impact on creation by isolating him in the bottomless pit prison.

So that is why the 24 elders are rejoicing in Revelation 11 because God has taken steps to put an end to Satan's power. Satan's wrath of his time being short is the woe to the inhabitors of the earth and sea.

This is why they were rejoicing....because Jesus had returned to the earth and taken over the Kingdoms. The text explicitly states why.

Rv 11:16-18
And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,

Why? Let's look:

17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.

18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth. (WOE!)