ONE Foundational Basis For All Biblical Good News!

[GRACE ambassador]

Precious friend, @St. SteVen, I moved this here to get away from all the Negative criticism developing
in your other thread, and get More Positive Encouragement And Edification In Christ, and In His
Precious Word Of Truth - you Very Politely said: "Thanks." and asked "How many gospels are there?"

You are welcome, precious friend. Great Question = let us now prayerfully and Carefully review
"What Saith The Scriptures?":

Part I Scriptural Good News to:

1) Adam / Eve? = what "good news"? Was it the "one gospel" of believe/faith

"looking forward to Christ's Death, Burial, & Resurrection" (DBR) ​

{ have not yet found this for 46 years in my Bible!}?​

Or?:​

Was it what they { Apparently } explained / taught to their offspring "To be Accepted By God"?:

2) Cain / Abel? faith + works?:

"And Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof.​

And the LORD had respect unto Abel and to his offering" (Genesis 4:4)​

expressed his faith, and had "no sin but righteousness at the door"? ie:

Scripturally Confirmed 'faith'?:​

​

“By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain,​

by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of​

his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh.” (Hebrews 11:4) = faith + works?​

​

Does Disobedience to "the Specifically Required work" Show "wrong OR NO faith at all"?:​

​

"And in process of time it came to pass, that Cain brought of the fruit of the ground​

an offering unto The LORD...But unto Cain and to his offering He had not respect.​

And Cain was very wroth, and his countenance fell. And the LORD Said unto Cain,​

Why art thou wroth? and why is thy countenance fallen? If thou doest well,​

shalt thou not be accepted?" (Genesis 4:3-7)​

3) Seth / Enos? "look forward to Christ's DBR"? OR?:

​

"And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name​

Enos: then began men to call upon The Name of The LORD." (Genesis 4:26)​

+​

"By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found,​

because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony,​

that he pleased God." (Hebrews 11:5)​

Was he also "accepted By God" with the same "works" as Abel performed "pleasing God",
or should we just Speculate here that he "looked forward to Christ's DBR"?...

to be continued...

Precious friend, what think ye so far? The same "one gospel" for these three, or, different than the:

One Gospel of Grace we have Today:

"believe On The Lord Jesus Christ, and In His Death, Burial, And Resurrection"?​

Grace and Peace!

 

[St. SteVen]

Precious friend, @St. SteVen, I moved this here to get away from all the Negative criticism developing
in your other thread, and get More Positive Encouragement And Edification In Christ, and In His
Precious Word Of Truth - you Very Politely said: "Thanks." and asked "How many gospels are there?"

You are welcome, precious friend. Great Question = let us now prayerfully and Carefully review
"What Saith The Scriptures?":

Thanks for launching this topic.
This will give me a better opportunity to communicate where I am coming from on this as well.

I launched the other topics as questions for respondents to weigh in on.
I had no answers or specific teaching in mind except to question the common belief that there is only one gospel.
If so, what is it? Answers differed significantly. Not really an indication of a singular answer.

And based on the responses, we could see that participants struggled to identify that ONE gospel.
Mostly I feel, because the Bible doesn't give us a singular answer to the question.

And perhaps my hope for a concise answer was the problem. ???
The gospel, though it be one cohesive message in total, is not easily stated in a concise way.

Further complicating matters is the fact that the gospel was, and is communicated to various peoples at different times.
So there is the matter of who the gospel is being delivered to and when it is being given.

And also the issue of the unfolding plan of God. Though the gospel is centered on Christ, what did it mean
to the peoples that lived before Christ. Especially those with no clear prophecy on the matter.

In my view, the gospel was from the beginning as we see in the Logos of John chapter one.
The Logos begins to come into view as early as the Fall in Genesis chapter three. The seed of the woman.
But Moses gives us no indication of what this means. Nor does he call it gospel.

Genesis 3:15 NIV
And I will put enmity
between you and the woman,
and between your offspring[a] and hers;
he will crush[b] your head,
and you will strike his heel.”

Footnotes​

1. Genesis 3:15 Or seed
2. Genesis 3:15 Or strike

 

[St. SteVen]

Part I Scriptural Good News to:

1) Adam / Eve? = what "good news"? Was it the "one gospel" of believe/faith
"looking forward to Christ's Death, Burial, & Resurrection" (DBR) { have not yet found this for 46 years in my Bible!}?Or?:
Was it what they { Apparently } explained / taught to their offspring "To be Accepted By God"?:

I see the gospel in "the seed" of the woman.
The "bruised heel", and in the serpent's head being "crushed" at a later time.

2) Cain / Abel? faith + works?:

"And Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof.And the LORD had respect unto Abel and to his offering" (Genesis 4:4)expressed his faith, and had "no sin but righteousness at the door"? ie:
Scripturally Confirmed 'faith'?:“By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain,by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying ofhis gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh.” (Hebrews 11:4) = faith + works?Does Disobedience to "the Specifically Required work" Show "wrong OR NO faith at all"?:"And in process of time it came to pass, that Cain brought of the fruit of the groundan offering unto The LORD...But unto Cain and to his offering He had not respect.And Cain was very wroth, and his countenance fell. And the LORD Said unto Cain,Why art thou wroth? and why is thy countenance fallen? If thou doest well,shalt thou not be accepted?" (Genesis 4:3-7)

The establishment of the sacrificial system is a nod toward the gospel and the ultimate sacrificial lamb.
Slain before the foundation of the world. The Logos again.

3) Seth / Enos? "look forward to Christ's DBR"? OR?:
"And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his nameEnos: then began men to call upon The Name of The LORD." (Genesis 4:26)+"By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found,because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony,that he pleased God." (Hebrews 11:5)
Was he also "accepted By God" with the same "works" as Abel performed "pleasing God",
or should we just Speculate here that he "looked forward to Christ's DBR"?...

The most important aspect of the gospel, in my view, is the intimate relationship formed with God.
Those rejected in the end will be told, "I never knew you."

Enoch is a symbol of a most magnificent relationship.

to be continued...

Precious friend, what think ye so far? The same "one gospel" for these three, or, different than the:

One Gospel of Grace we have Today:

"believe On The Lord Jesus Christ, and In His Death, Burial, And Resurrection"?

So far, so good. Please continue.

 

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Hello there, @St. SteVen & @GRACE ambassador,

Thank you for your entries. For going back as you have to the beginning, to Adam and Eve and the words of God to the serpent in Genesis 3:15, and the skins whereby God covered Adam and Eve, thereby covering their nakedness (v.21) (Rev. 13:8). Which reminds us that under law, 'without the shedding of blood there is no remission' (Heb.9:22). 'Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned: (Rom. 5:12).

'... but now once in the end of the world hath He appeared
to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself.
And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many;
and unto them that look for Him
shall He appear the second time
without sin unto salvation.'
(Heb 9:26b-28)

In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[St. SteVen]

In my view, the gospel was from the beginning as we see in the Logos of John chapter one.

From this perspective the gospel is about the redemption of humankind. The Logos.

It's about the Fall of humankind, God's provision of a savior, the payment of the death penalty for sin
and life with God in the hereafter. Ultimate redemption. That's good news.

 

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'But without faith it is impossible to please Him:
for he that cometh to God must believe that He is,
and that He is a rewarder of them that diligently seek Him.'
(Heb 11:6)

Hello @GRACE ambassador, (@St. SteVen)

I saw the quote in your O.P. from Genesis 4:26:- "And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enos: then began men to call upon The Name of The LORD." - and want to mention what is said in my Bible's marginal notes regarding the words, 'then began men to call upon the name of the Lord.':-

'began'. Not began to worship: for Abel worshipped, and others, doubtless, long before. But here: "began to call upon [their gods] by the name of Jehovah, "or "began profanely to call upon the name of the Lord" (see App-21 - link below). Enos, though the son of Seth, is included here (in Cain's line of descent), because he went in "the way of Cain".

Enos. (Gen. 4:26). Calling on the Name of the Lord. - Appendix to the Companion Bible

levendwater.org

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[GRACE ambassador]

I see the gospel in "the seed" of the woman.
The "bruised heel", and in the serpent's head being "crushed" at a later time.

Good point. Technically speaking, we could say the ONE Foundation For All the good news was
Already Laid...?:

"And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not​

Written in The Book Of Life Of The Lamb slain from the foundation of the world."​

(Revelation 13:8 cp @complete 's Great input!: Hebrews 9:26 AV)​

...In God's Infinite Mind, Correct?​

While we are in Revelation, we might as well check the "one gospel" idea here and see if we
"have a match", eh?:

"And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel​

to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and​

tongue, and people, Saying with a loud voice, [ Specific Requirements?: ]​

Fear God, and give glory to Him; for the hour of His Judgment is come: and worship​

Him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters."​

(Revelation 14:6-7 cp "gospel of the kingdom" in: Matthew 24:14, "Fear Him": 10:28 AV)​

Thus I see three things with this information:

1) The [ earthly ] "Everlasting gospel of the kingdom" for Israel simply cannot be the same​

'one gospel' as the:​

​

[ Heavenly ] Gospel Of The Grace Of God For The Body Of Christ.​

​

2) The Grace Gospel Is preached Today, During God's Pure Grace Dispensation, and, When​

'Completed', only Then can the previous gospel of the kingdom be resumed in the future Time Of ​

Jacob's Trouble In God's "Time of Great Tribulation and Judgment" on an unbelieving world.​

3) Concerning this 'preaching angel', Paul has a pronouncement which Christ, From Heaven, Gave him

about:​

​

"But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than​

that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before,​

so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye​

have received, let him be accursed." (Galatians 1:6-9 AV)​

​

Which is:​

​

"For I delivered unto you first of all That which I also received, how that Christ ​

Died for our sins According to the Scriptures; And that He Was Buried, and ​

that He Rose again the third day According to the Scriptures:"​

(1 Corinthians 15:3-4 AV) =​

​

ONE Solid Foundation Underneath All Other Good News In God's Word Of Truth?​

Precious friends, Very Much appreciate the kind an humble discussion of God's Wonderful Words!

Amen.

 

[St. SteVen]

Thus I see three things with this information:

1) The [ earthly ] "Everlasting gospel of the kingdom" for Israel simply cannot be the same'one gospel' as the:[ Heavenly ] Gospel Of The Grace Of God For The Body Of Christ.2) The Grace Gospel Is preached Today, During God's Pure Grace Dispensation, and, When'Completed', only Then can the previous gospel of the kingdom be resumed in the future Time Of Jacob's Trouble In God's "Time of Great Tribulation and Judgment" on an unbelieving world.

Does this mean that you believe there is more than one gospel?
A dispensational view?
If so, what gospels belong to other dispensations?

 

[GRACE ambassador]

Does this mean that you believe there is more than one gospel?
A dispensational view?
If so, what gospels belong to other dispensations?

1) Yes!
2) Yes!
3) Thanks, appreciate the homework! Should be forthcoming sooner or later...

Grace And Peace. In the meantime please be Very Richly Encouraged And Edified In:

Where Is God's Word Today?

 

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@St. SteVen
@GRACE ambassador

Thank you for the atmosphere that has been pervading this thread so far, one of openhearted welcome. For this encourages participation and the desire for mutual edification.

In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[St. SteVen]

Thank you for the atmosphere that has been pervading this thread so far, one of openhearted welcome. For this encourages participation and the desire for mutual edification.

@GRACE ambassador and I have known each other online on this forum for years.
He was one of the first to greet me upon arrival.

We don't agree on everything, but have always had respectful and deep discussions.
@GRACE ambassador is a true treasure of this forum.

 

[St. SteVen]

Thank you for the atmosphere that has been pervading this thread so far, one of openhearted welcome. For this encourages participation and the desire for mutual edification.

What are your thoughts on the question about the one gospel?
I know you have shared some thoughts already.

 

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What are your thoughts on the question about the one gospel?
I know you have shared some thoughts already.

Hello @St. SteVen,

As with Adam and Eve, God provided a means by which sin could be forgiven and access to Himself restored. It was not without cost, for the wages of sin is death (Rom. 6:23), and without the shedding of blood there is no remission (Heb. 9:22b). So a lamb was slain, bearing the sin of the one seeking forgiveness. A substitute. (Rev. 13:8). The Lord Jesus Christ is our substitute: for we have sinned and come short of the glory of God (Rom. 3:23).

The wages of sin is death, and as all have sinned, so all die. This is why Christ came to die in our place, and rise again, thus destroying the work of the Devil (1 John 3:8:37-38), and breaking the power of the grave (1 Cor. 15:55). So that in Him we may be more than conquers (Rom. 8:37-39) and be raised to life again, in Him. and receive the gift of God of eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. (Rom. 6:23/Rom.5:15/Eph. 2:8).

These are my thoughts this morning. There is so much more that could be said, but I praise God for these thoughts. that reveal the work of God in Christ Jesus our Lord, who both died and rose again, and is sat down at God's right hand, and we in Him. When He appears in glory, we too will appear with Him there (Col. 3:4). He has said it and I believe it. Praise His Holy Name!

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[St. SteVen]

As with Adam and Eve, God provided a means by which sin could be forgiven and access to Himself restored. It was not without cost, for the wages of sin is death (Rom. 6:23), and without the shedding of blood there is no remission (Heb. 9:22b). So a lamb was slain, bearing the sin of the one seeking forgiveness. A substitute. (Rev. 13:8). The Lord Jesus Christ is our substitute: for we have sinned and come short of the glory of God (Rom. 3:23).

Thanks for your post.
A&E obviously had no knowledge of the redemptive plan of God.
They had fallen from grace and were thrust out of the garden.
Left to deal with thistles and thorns and the murder of their first born.
Seemed like a hopeless situation. Did they find hope in the words of God at the Fall?
Was there hope in a gospel?

 

[Jack]

Thanks for your post.
A&E obviously had no knowledge of the redemptive plan of God.

How UTTERLY ironic!

They had fallen from grace and were thrust out of the garden.
Left to deal with thistles and thorns and the murder of their first born.
Seemed like a hopeless situation. Did they find hope in the words of God at the Fall?
Was there hope in a gospel?

 

[GRACE ambassador]

ONE Foundation For ( almost? ) All Dispensations and ( almost? ) All Related Good News?:

In my view, the gospel was from the beginning as we see in the Logos of John chapter one.

Excellent point! Let us review God's Dispensations and find the Specific Good News of each one:

1. Innocence (Of Adam and Eve):

Dispensation (Gr Oikonomia) = God's Arrangement or Supervision of house management and rules
of life, From "The Word" Of Life?:

"And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.​

And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely​

eat: But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that​

thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die." (Genesis 1:15-17 AV)​

Including making know the consequences of 'transgression' (Of His Holiness?).

Next, an 'help-meet' mate and more rules for abundant/blessed life, From God "The Word"?

"And God Blessed them, and God Said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish​

the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of​

the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth." (Genesis 1:28 AV)​

All sounds like 'gospel (good news)' to me...

...The Logos begins to come into view as early as the Fall...

or Possibly earlier, since "He Was The Creator"?

Certainly no need in the Age of Innocence to believe the 'one gospel'(?) of "looking forward to Christ's DBR",
Correct?

What think ye?
...

 

[St. SteVen]

"And God Blessed them, and God Said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl ofthe air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth." (Genesis 1:28 AV)

All sounds like 'gospel (good news)' to me...

While I agree that this is good news, it doesn't seem to be what Jesus meant when He sent the apostles out to preach the gospel. (message)
I get no redemptive message from this. Though it may be foundational in some sense.

 

[St. SteVen]

Certainly no need in the Age of Innocence to believe the 'one gospel'(?) of "looking forward to Christ's DBR",
Correct?

What think ye?

Agree.
Without the Fall, no need for redemption. (yet)

 

[Jack]

Thanks for launching this topic.
This will give me a better opportunity to communicate where I am coming from on this as well.

I launched the other topics as questions for respondents to weigh in on.
I had no answers or specific teaching in mind except to question the common belief that there is only one gospel.
If so, what is it? Answers differed significantly. Not really an indication of a singular answer.

And based on the responses, we could see that participants struggled to identify that ONE gospel.
Mostly I feel, because the Bible doesn't give us a singular answer to the question.

And perhaps my hope for a concise answer was the problem. ???
The gospel, though it be one cohesive message in total, is not easily stated in a concise way.

Further complicating matters is the fact that the gospel was, and is communicated to various peoples at different times.
So there is the matter of who the gospel is being delivered to and when it is being given.

And also the issue of the unfolding plan of God. Though the gospel is centered on Christ, what did it mean
to the peoples that lived before Christ. Especially those with no clear prophecy on the matter.

In my view, the gospel was from the beginning as we see in the Logos of John chapter one.
The Logos begins to come into view as early as the Fall in Genesis chapter three. The seed of the woman.
But Moses gives us no indication of what this means. Nor does he call it gospel.

Genesis 3:15 NIV
And I will put enmity
between you and the woman,
and between your offspring[a] and hers;
he will crush[b] your head,
and you will strike his heel.”

Footnotes​

1. Genesis 3:15 Or seed
2. Genesis 3:15 Or strike

Anyone else wonder why STV cites the Bible when he said "no wonder I don't trust the Bible"?

 

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ONE Foundational Basis For All Biblical Good News!

Yes.

Gospel- in essence IS Spiritual Good News.

The “Whole” of God IS “His Spirit”.

ie. God IS Spirit, it IS His Supreme Glory.

ie. God “Gives” His “Wholeness” to NONE of His CREATIONS.

ie. God HAS (Seven) Spirit(S), Purposed TO GIVE TO Particular, (Persons, Places, Things), OF His Creations.

ie. The Recipients of Gods Spirit / Spirit(S)…
Ie. The Who, What, When, Why, Where, How;

“IS” the “Spiritual Good News MYSTERIES” of God…

Revealed, BY God, Little by Little, Bit by Bit…
Unto His Creations.

Every Creation…Created and MADE…ie. Given Gods “Breath of Life”…
According TO Gods “Spiritual good news* Has a specific Beginning, Purpose, and Eternal Ending.

Particular (Angels and manKIND) ie.“specific” MADE creations…
Become… “AWARE” “during”
their own:
“beginning, choices, experiences, elections”;
…as to WHAT…WHEN…WHY…HOW…
Their own “Eternal Ending Shall Be”…
* Forever With OR Without their Creator Lord God Almighty.

“The Greatest “mystery, curiosity, puzzlement, wondering, for manKIND….
IS… “ wanting, desiring, yearning for “All”Perfected Goodness…
* That They Can NOT…
“See, Hear, Smell, Taste, Touch…NOW”.
* whereas Some… Trust, Believe, by, through, the Gift of FAITH, from God…
And Others (Angels and ManKind);
choose TO:
Taste, Dabble, Ignore, Reject, ie. (spit it out), Reject and Promote Rejection of God and His Grace to Give His Eternal Gift of Goodness To His Willing Creations.

Glory to God,
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