Overview time line chart of the 7 years

[shepherdsword]

What ? The casting down of Satan to earth in Revelation 12:7-12 takes place a time, times, half time before Jesus returns.

Yes it does, but it also takes place before the 3rd woe and 7th trumpet. Rev 12 is not chronological...it is parenthetical. Just like 13 and 14 are.

When Jesus returns, then Satan will be exposed there on the temple mount, and an angel in Revelation 20:1-3, descends from heaven with a chain, binds Satan and casts Satan into the bottomless pit prison for 1000 years.

I agree.

 

[Ronald D Milam]

Jesus's return is in Revelation 19, not in Revelation 11.

He's is right, but he is wrong because he can not grasp the book of Revelation is not in chronological order. Rev. 11 shows the 7th Trump blowing and then goes straight to Jesus takes over, skipping the 7 Vials which are emitted from the 7th Trump BECAUSE (think now) this chapter is all about the 2 Witnesses Ministry of 1260 days, they die after the 2nd Woe, their Ministry is this over, BUT in passing it must be stated they pray down (like Moses was a conduit on the 10 plagues) every Trumpet Judgment, all 7, there is only 7. The 7 Vials ARE the 7th Trump, which is the 3rd Woe. So, yes, John mentions in passing this 7th Trump will bring VICTORY by Jesus, but he does not understand its one of about 4 places in Revelation that shows this exact same event. We get the actual chronological order in Rev. 2 & 3 (Church Age) and in Rev. 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 AND then 16 (really 15&16 are one chapter). So, 16 is the REAL TIME LINES ENDING (Rev. 16:19) but other chapters speaking about specific events that happen during this same time frame, also show this ending. Rev. 11 in passing says the 7th Trump blows and the 3rd Woe comes quickly (Which is the 7 Vials).

Then we get the Harvest Chapter (Rev. 14) which must tell what? All of God's Harvests, including the Pre Trib. Rapture in Rev. 14:14 in a FLASHBACK, its one chapter, story, so the only way to tell all three are to speak of the 144,000 (5 Million Jews hiding in the Petra/Bozrah area) whom await Jesus at his return, of the Wicked Grapes (Tares) in verses 17-20 AND the Rev. 14:14 Pre Trib. Rapture is to have a FLASHBACK like in a movie. We then move on to Rev. 19 where Jesus returns in the Wedding to the Church and the Armageddon or Marriage Feast where on earth w return from heaven to feast on our enemies who chose evil over God, its Metaphoric of course. So, all four passages are the exact same event, the 2nd coming of Jesus, as seen in Rev. 11 (7th Trump, we just do not get the DETAILS) Rev. 16:19 where we get all the DETAILS of the 7 Vials in Rev. 16. Rev. 14, where we see Jesus return to gather his 5 million Jewish Converts who accept Jesus as their true Messiah, or 1/3 or 144,000, all the same thing. And lastly Jesus returns in Rev. 19 with the Church/His Bride, to slay the wicked.

Most people simply get locked into a position and have ab blind spot The Lord told me whilst praying, NEVER ACCEPT CONTRADICTIONS, there is always a true answer.

You have one also, the 2 Witnesses die at the 2nd Woe, so how can they preach in the first half of the 70th week, and yet only have a 1260 day ministry when they die only at the very end (2nd woe?) They show up only 75 days before the MIDDLE OF THE WEEK at the 1335, or 45 days before the 1290.

 

[Douggg]

You have one also, the 2 Witnesses die at the 2nd Woe, so how can they preach in the first half of the 70th week, and yet only have a 1260 day ministry when they die only at the very end (2nd woe?) They show up only 75 days before the MIDDLE OF THE WEEK at the 1335, or 45 days before the 1290.

Ronald, the two witnesses don't die at the time the 2nd woe takes place. I will explain.

Revelation 11:3-13 is about the two witnesses, their being killed, their coming back to life and called up to heaven, and an earthquake then striking Jerusalem (verse 13), concluding the two witnesses related events.

Then in Revelation 11:14, the subject changes from the two witnesses, back to the woes.

Back in Revelation 9:13-20 what will be the second woe is revealed as a third of mankind killed by a large army numbering 200,000,000.

Revelation 11:14 The second woe is past [revealed as what it will be]; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly [revealed as what it will be].

my comments in blue.

So, in summary, the three woes to the inhabitors of the earth will be:

woe1. the flesh tormenting locust (for five months)

woe 2. the one third of mankind killed by the large 200,000,000 size army (near the end of the 7years)

woe 3. the wrath of Satan (for a time, times, half time)

 

[Douggg]

@Ronald D Milam

Ronald, another way of determining the fit of the two witnesses's 1260 days is the matching of all the like time expressions together, as show on this table.

 

[ewq1938]

Ronald, the two witnesses don't die at the time the 2nd woe takes place.

Rev 11 is clear they die just a few days before the 3rd woe so they do die within the 2nd woe.

 

[Douggg]

Rev 11 is clear they die just a few days before the 3rd woe so they do die within the 2nd woe.

Describe what the 2nd woe will be.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Revelation 11:14 The second woe is past [revealed as what it will be]; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly [revealed as what it will be].

my comments in blue.

Your comments completely change the meaning of the text. You have it completely wrong. When it says "the second woe is past", that means the second woe (sixth trumpet) is over at that point and it's then time for the third woe (seventh trumpet) to occur.

No other person in history since the book of Revelation interprets that verse the way you do.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Rev 11 is clear they die just a few days before the 3rd woe so they do die within the 2nd woe.

Wrong. Revelation 11:1-13 is a parenthetical passage and is not part of the second woe. The second woe correlates with the sixth trumpet and the description of the sixth trumpet begins in Revelation 9:13 and ends in Revelation 9:21. Revelation 10 does mention the seventh trumpet, but it's mostly a parenthetical passage, as is Revelation 11:1-13. Then it returns to talking about the trumpets again in Revelation 11:14 when it says the second woe (sixth trumpet) is past and then the seventh trumpet is described starting in verse 15.picks up on describing the seventh trumpet starting in Revelation 11:15 after mentioning that the second woe (sixth trumpet) is past in verse 14.

If you treat the book of Revelation as if it's all chronological without any parallel passages and parenthetical passages, you can't possibly interpret it correctly.

 

[Douggg]

Your comments completely change the meaning of the text. You have it completely wrong. When it says "the second woe is past", that means the second woe (sixth trumpet) is over at that point and it's then time for the third woe (seventh trumpet) to occur.

No other person in history since the book of Revelation interprets that verse the way you do.

Read the text again.

Revelation 11:3-13 is about the two witnesses, their being killed, their coming back to life and called up to heaven, and an earthquake then striking Jerusalem (verse 13), concluding the two witnesses related events.

Nothing about the woes in any of that text.

 

[ewq1938]

Describe what the 2nd woe will be.

Rev 11 has all that...its when the beast rules, kills, etc.

 

[Douggg]

Rev 11 has all that...its when the beast rules, kills, etc.

No, nothing in Revelation 11 describes the 2nd woe. Go to Revelation 9:13-19 to know what the 2nd woe will be.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Read the text again.

Revelation 11:3-13 is about the two witnesses, their being killed, their coming back to life and called up to heaven, and an earthquake then striking Jerusalem (verse 13), concluding the two witnesses related events.

Nothing about the woes in any of that text.

I guess you didn't read my post #68 or else you wouldn't have said this. So, please go read it. Where did I say anything about Revelation 11:3-13 in my post that you responded to? I didn't. And where did I say it has anything to do with the woes? I didn't. I showed you how to properly interpret Revelation 11:14. Your interpretation of it is completely ludicrous and changes the meaning of it. When it says the second woe is past and the third woe then comes quickly, that means the second woe is over at that point and then it's time for the third woe to occur. That should be obvious and is obvious to most people, but you have to resort to butchering scripture, including Revelation 11:14, to keep your false doctrine afloat.

The second woe is equivalent to the sixth trumpet. It is described in Revelation 9:13-21. Then there's a couple parenthetical passages (Revelation 10 and Revelation 11:1-13) and then it picks up on talking about the woes/trumpets again in Revelation 11:14. Your lack of understanding of the format of the book of Revelation is why you don't understand any of it. It contains parallel passages and parenthetical passages. If you don't understand that, then you can't hope to understand what the book is about.

 

[ewq1938]

No, nothing in Revelation 11 describes the 2nd woe. Go to Revelation 9:13-19 to know what the 2nd woe will be.

Rev 11 is also events of the 2nd woe, then near the end of the chp the 3 woe begins. That is proof the previous verses are within the 2nd woe. I shouldn't even need to explain something so simple.

 

[Douggg]

I guess you didn't read my post #68 or else you wouldn't have said this. So, please go read it. Where did I say anything about Revelation 11:3-13 in my post that you responded to? I didn't. And where did I say it has anything to do with the woes? I didn't. I showed you how to properly interpret Revelation 11:14. Your interpretation of it is completely ludicrous and changes the meaning of it. When it says the second woe is past and the third woe then comes quickly, that means the second woe is over at that point and then it's time for the third woe to occur. That should be obvious and is obvious to most people, but you have to resort to butchering scripture, including Revelation 11:14, to keep your false doctrine afloat.

The second woe is equivalent to the sixth trumpet. It is described in Revelation 9:13-21. Then there's a couple parenthetical passages (Revelation 10 and Revelation 11:1-13) and then it picks up on talking about the woes/trumpets again in Revelation 11:14. Your lack of understanding of the format of the book of Revelation is why you don't understand any of it. It contains parallel passages and parenthetical passages. If you don't understand that, then you can't hope to understand what the book is about.

What is the seventh trumpet third woe to the inhabitors of the earth ?

 

[Douggg]

Rev 11 is also events of the 2nd woe, then near the end of the chp the 3 woe begins. That is proof the previous verses are within the 2nd woe. I shouldn't even need to explain something so simple.

What is the seventh trumpet third woe to the inhabitors of the earth ?

 

[ewq1938]

What is the seventh trumpet third woe to the inhabitors of the earth ?

It signals them to be angry.

 

[Douggg]

It signals them to be angry.

Not what it signals. What is the seventh trumpet third woe to the inhabitors of the earth ?

 

[ewq1938]

Not what it signals. What is the seventh trumpet third woe to the inhabitors of the earth ?

The bible says it sounds and people get angry.

Rev 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
Rev 11:16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,
Rev 11:17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.
Rev 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

 

[Douggg]

The bible says it sounds and people get angry.

Rev 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
Rev 11:16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,
Rev 11:17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.
Rev 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

It does not say "woe to the inhabitors of the earth" in any of those verses. Try again.

What is the seventh trumpet third "woe to the inhabitors of the earth". Read Revelation 12 and find the verse with "woe to the inhabitors of the earth"

 

[ewq1938]

It does not say "woe to the inhabitors of the earth" in any of those verses.

Everyone knows that already.

What is the seventh trumpet third "woe to the inhabitors of the earth". Read Revelation 12 and find the verse with "woe to the inhabitors of the earth"

The 7th trump.3rd woe does not happen in any part of chp 12. It has the word "woe" 3 times but not related to the woe trumps.