Ammillennialism's illegitimate redefining and switching around of the meaning of Greek words and biblical concepts

[David in NJ]

Yes, I was wondering about the thousand years as pertaining to a person's lifetime (Psalm 90). Adam fell short, due to sin. And even that might just be showing he fell short of eternity, of living forever. But brother, nobody can live to a thousand years literally nowadays in any case. God has cut our lives lived in the flesh down to 70 or 80 years generally.

Again the Truth is that which JESUS Commanded us = Matt 4:4

ABC's of TRUTH = according to the Word of God

A.) If you believe every word that God has Spoken, then Adam lived a LITERAL 930 years!!!

B.) If, you believe every word that God has Spoken, then at His 2nd Coming is the Resurrection into Eternal Glorified Bodies.

C.) Eternal Glorified Bodies never die!!! = therefore 1,000 LITERAL years is just the Beginning of so much MORE that GOD has in STORE

@Lizbeth and all who call upon the Name of the LORD = Believe His every word!!!

And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them.
Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands.
And they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.
But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection.
Over such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ,
and shall reign with Him a thousand years.

Important: "shall"

"shall" determines the event is FUTURE

shall /shăl/

auxiliary verb​

1. Used before a verb in the infinitive to show.
2. Something that will take place or exist in the future.
   "We shall arrive tomorrow."
3. An order, promise, requirement, or obligation.
   "You shall leave now. He shall answer for his misdeeds. The penalty shall not exceed two years in prison."

 

[David in NJ]

Gen 1
16 And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, “You may freely (unconditionally) eat [the fruit] from every tree of the garden; 17 but [only] from the tree of the knowledge (recognition) of good and evil you shall not eat, otherwise on the day that you eat from it, you shall most certainly die [because of your disobedience].”


How did Adam die on the day he ate?

He did not die physically on that day, so it must have been Spiritually. He was unable to access the tree of life until such a time as he was born again of the Spirit AND born again Physically.

Somebody has been reading their Bible

Correct answer according the Word of God

 

[WPM]

You see that's a good example of how born-again man desires to do good through the new nature he has through the Spirit of God in him, but the old nature is still there and desires to return evil for evil. It's not a spiritual battle waged between believers' spirit and soul; it's a spiritual battle waged within the hearts and minds that comes from the fact that sin is still present within man as long as we are clothed in mortal body of flesh in this world.

The old nature is more than the physical. The physical cannot think and feel.

 

[rwb]

You are not thinking outside of the box here.

For example. Someone gets into a horiffic car accident, hangs on to life in the hospital for a few months but never fully recovers and dies from the injuries sustained from the accident. Thus, in this case, in the day they were involved in that accident, they shall surely die. Not on the day, in the day. Meaning the day of the accident led to their eventual demise. Genesis 2-3 does not say 'on' the day, it says 'in' the day. This analogy I just used, assuming it's valid, required no one to experience spiritual death because they did not die the same day of this accident. Yet they did die because of the accident.

Exactly! A&E did not die physically or spiritually on the very day they disobeyed God. They became destined to die in the day/age/time they lived, and they did. They did not spiritually die because it is the spirit in man that breathes physical life into them. What was lost to mankind when the disobeyed God was the Holy Spirit departing from them. When the Spirit Who gives man eternal life departed, mankind became natural. That's why Christ tells us that man must be born again. Christ does not say man must be spiritually resurrected for them to have eternal life through the Spirit of Christ. He tells us that man must be born again to both know (see) and enter the Kingdom of God. Why did man become natural man when the Spirit departed from them? Because man is physically born of the flesh, that is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Man retained physical life but for man to have everlasting eternal life they must be born again of the Sprit!

John 3:6-8 (KJV) That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

 

[Davidpt]

Again the Truth is that which JESUS Commanded us = Matt 4:4

ABC's of TRUTH = according to the Word of God

A.) If you believe every word that God has Spoken, then Adam lived a LITERAL 930 years!!!

B.) If, you believe every word that God has Spoken, then at His 2nd Coming is the Resurrection into Eternal Glorified Bodies.

C.) Eternal Glorified Bodies never die!!! = therefore 1,000 LITERAL years is just the Beginning of so much MORE that GOD has in STORE

@Lizbeth and all who call upon the Name of the LORD = Believe His every word!!!

And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them.
Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands.
And they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.
But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection.
Over such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ,
and shall reign with Him a thousand years.

Important: "shall"

"shall" determines the event is FUTURE

shall /shăl/

auxiliary verb​

1. Used before a verb in the infinitive to show.
2. Something that will take place or exist in the future.
   "We shall arrive tomorrow."
3. An order, promise, requirement, or obligation.
   "You shall leave now. He shall answer for his misdeeds. The penalty shall not exceed two years in prison."

One can also use Revelation 3:21 to prove reigning with Christ a thousand years is still future, in light of Matthew 25:31 and Matthew 19:28, for example.

Revelation 3:21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.

Matthew 25:31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory

Matthew 19:28 And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel

It's rather crystal clear when one interprets Scripture with Scripture that--will I grant to sit with me in my throne = in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel = When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory = Revelation 20:4,6.

But let's just chalk that up as a coincidence how all the pieces fit perfectly like that. Right, Amils?

 

[David in NJ]

Perhaps Zech 14 was partially fulfilled, because living waters did flow out from Jerusalem.....in the early believers who escaped the siege of Jerusalem and flowed out from there to other parts of the world with the gospel. "out of your belly will flow living waters". Interestingly I think I remember reading that they fled through a tunnel that had been built under the city to bring water to it...Hezekiah's tunnel. Jerusalem was left desolate because the possessors of the gospel had either been martyred or fled the city (as well as that the glory of the Lord had departed). That seems to be a pattern for what is happening with the church in the last couple of decades or so too. Many have fled churches because of false doctrines and also because the presence of the Lord has departed many churches....and they are receiving judgment in the form of deceptions......this house is being left desolate too now, sadly.

Perhaps Zech 14 was partially fulfilled, because living waters did flow out from Jerusalem.....in the early believers who escaped the siege of Jerusalem and flowed out from there to other parts of the world with the gospel. "out of your belly will flow living waters".

This is the classic mistake that many make = combining scriptures that are not of the Same subject

A.) Zech chapter 14 is Physical Return of the LORD Jesus Christ on earth/Jerusalem with physical water flowing from there.

B.) John chapter 4 is the Spiritual flow of Spiritual Water that flows from CHRIST

Two Different subject matters = physical and spiritual

 

[David in NJ]

One can also use Revelation 3:21 to prove reigning with Christ a thousand years is still future, in light of Matthew 25:31 and Matthew 19:28, for example.

Revelation 3:21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.

Matthew 25:31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory

Matthew 19:28 And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel

Thank You for sharing the consistent benefit of TRUTH = Thy word is Truth"

 

[David in NJ]

And yet time for another clue
for the answer is no longer found in many a pew
From whence leaders of the flock do fleece
and all who sit under them shall have no peace
And though these leaders cloaked in wool
sounding ever wise do only fool
Fool themselves and all who sit under their lips
for f rom the cup of the LORD does a lamb only Sip .
And in one book they sure love to read
and unto those words do they take heed .
BIBLE TIME in the building and in the land
for anything contrary is but sinking sand .
Truth is the meat of those who are his
and the cup of a harlot to a sheep smells like whiz
They shall not sip , they shall not drink
for the cup of a harlot does surely stink .

LOL x100 = the BEST TRUTH Rhyme yet = HalleluYAH Brother = LOVED IT = GREAT = AWESOME

 

[David in NJ]

LOL. More avoidance!!!!!!!!!

You do realize people come here to ascertain who has answers to these important Bible issues?

Premils here definitely do not.

always avoid ants = especially the red ones that bite

Black ants you can eat when you get lost in black-n-white Scripture

Remember the childhood rhyme:

Liar Liar
Pants on Fire

"anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire.

Boy am i Glad i switched to 'TrinityTrends' Clothing wear!!!

 

[David in NJ]

Many have fled churches because of false doctrines and also because the presence of the Lord has departed many churches....and they are receiving judgment in the form of deceptions......this house is being left desolate too now, sadly.

AWESOME Insight = AGREE 100%

 

[rwb]

One can also use Revelation 3:21 to prove reigning with Christ a thousand years is still future, in light of Matthew 25:31 and Matthew 19:28, for example.

Revelation 3:21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.

Matthew 25:31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory

Matthew 19:28 And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel

According to Scripture, whosoever believes Jesus is the Son of God are overcomers, because we have been born of God and have overcome the world. IOW our faith numbers us as overcomers.

1 John 5:4-5 (KJV) For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith. Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?

According to Dan/Acts Christ inherited the Kingdom after He arose from the dead and ascended up to heaven.

Acts 1:2 (KJV) Until the day in which he was taken up, after that he through the Holy Ghost had given commandments unto the apostles whom he had chosen:

Acts 1:9-11 (KJV) And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight. And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel; Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.

Daniel 7:13-14 (KJV) I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him. And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.

This passage from Mt is speaking of the Son of man coming AGAIN as judge as He sits upon the throne of His glory He received when He ascended to heaven.

Matthew 25:31-33 (KJV) When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats: And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.

When you read the context of Mt in the following, Christ is speaking of this present age as He sits upon the throne, His Church also sit upon twelve thrones (signifying fullness) judging the nations through the gospel of the Kingdom of God proclaimed. His Word brings eternal life for all who believe, or is the source of condemnation for all who remain in unbelief.

Matthew 19:28-30 (KJV) And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name's sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life. But many that are first shall be last; and the last shall be first.

 

[David in NJ]

2Peter 3 clinched it for me...realizing that the thousand years is as a day in that passage is referring to the time of waiting for the Lord to return..it is this time of longsuffering which we are to account as salvation, and which was causing scoffers to mock and chide, where is the promise of His coming? And seeing that much of Revelation is a kind of summation and reiteration of the gospel in general, reiterating so much of the scripture that was written before Rev was given.

2 Peter ch3 is reminding us of GENESIS = the longsuffering of GOD waiting until Noah finished the Ark = salvation

A.) “Where is the promise of His coming? For since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of creation.”
For this they willfully forget: that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of water and in the water,
by which the world that then existed perished, being flooded with water.

@Lizbeth, Do you SEE the apostle Peter pointing BACK to GENISIS ???

B.) But, beloved, do not forget this one thing, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance.

we AGREE = "this time of longsuffering which we are to account as salvation" = as we wait for His 2nd Coming

C.) Therefore, beloved, looking forward to these things, be diligent to be found by Him in peace, without spot and blameless; and consider that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation—as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given to him, has written to you, as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures.

You therefore, beloved, since you know this beforehand, beware lest you also fall from your own steadfastness, being led away with the error of the wicked; but grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

To Him be the glory both now and forever. Amen.

 

[Zao is life]

Just a thought, but I wonder how the Greeks of the first century who didn't believe in the Living God used that word "zoe", as opposed to "zao".....? Could they have sometimes used those words interchangeably? It might be useful to know how they were understood and used generally back then. or maybe it was already discussed.

I know it's hated to do this in this forum but I went and asked ChatGPT:

What does the Greek word zoe refer to in the New Testament, and what is the difference between zoe and zao?

Here's it's reply:

In the New Testament, **ζωή (*zōē*)** and **ζάω (*zaō*)** are closely related but serve different grammatical and theological roles.

1. **ζωή (*zōē*) — “life” (noun)**

**Meaning**

* *Zōē* refers to **life as God has it and gives it**—life in its fullest sense.
* It often points to **eternal life**, not merely endless duration, but a **quality of life rooted in relationship with God**.

**Theological emphasis**

* Divine, spiritual, and eternal life
* Life that comes from God and is sustained by Him
* Life contrasted with spiritual death

**Typical New Testament usage**

* “Eternal life” (*zōē aiōnios*)
* Life revealed in Christ

**Examples**

* *John 10:10*: “I came that they may have **life (zōē)** and have it abundantly.”
* *John 14:6*: “I am the way, and the truth, and the **life (zōē)**.”
* *1 John 5:12*: “Whoever has the Son has **life (zōē)**.”

> In short: **zōē = God-centered, spiritual, eternal life**.

2. **ζάω (*zaō*) — “to live” (verb)**

**Meaning**

* *Zaō* simply means **to live**, **to be alive**, or **to continue living**.
* It can describe **physical life**, **daily conduct**, or **spiritual living**, depending on context.

**Range of use**

* Physical existence (being alive)
* Manner of life (“how one lives”)
* Spiritual vitality (living toward God)

**Examples**

* *Romans 14:8*: “If we **live (zaō)**, we live to the Lord.”
* *Galatians 2:20*: “It is no longer I who **live (zaō)**, but Christ who lives in me.”
* *Luke 20:38*: “For all **live (zaō)** to Him.”

> In short: **zaō = the act or state of living**.

3. **Key Difference Between *zōē* and *zaō***

| Aspect | ζωή (*zōē*) | ζάω (*zaō*) |
| ---------------------- | --------------------------------------------- | ------------------------------------ |
| Part of speech | Noun | Verb |
| Basic sense | Life (what life is) | To live (the act of living) |
| Theological weight | Often heavy (eternal/divine life) Depends on context |
| Focus | **Nature/quality of life** | **Experience or expression of life** |

Bottom line

* **ζωή (*zōē*)** = life as God gives it—spiritual, eternal, abundant
* **ζάω (*zaō*)** = to live—to be alive or to conduct one’s life

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Which is what I've been saying or trying to say in this thread - NOT because I saw the answer in ChatGPT but because before ChaTGPT and AI ever existed or before I even thought of looking outside the Bible, I discovered the above myself - just by making lists for myself of every verse containing each word - copied and pasted into a document I created - and then comparing the two words.

- hours of work which of course is brushed aside and berated by those whose man-made theologies require the two words to be conflated.

Zoe refers to life itself - it's a noun - but zao refers to the expression of life - it's a verb - to live | to be alive.

Compare the above reply with @Hazelelponi 's post - which shows that AI can be used to create a false impression:

The concern raised in this thread deserves to be taken seriously: no Christian should redefine Greek terms or biblical concepts to force a theological outcome. But that standard cuts both ways, and when the Greek grammar and usage are examined carefully, the charge against Amillennialism does not hold.

A few clarifications are necessary.

1) ζωὴ (zōē) and ζάω (zaō) are not rigid, mutually exclusive categories

It is true that ζωὴ often denotes “life” with theological depth in the New Testament, and that ζάω commonly means “to live” or “to be alive.” However, the argument presented assumes a fixed technical distinction between these terms that the Greek language itself does not sustain.

In both the LXX and NT:

ζωὴ can denote ordinary creaturely life, not only eternal life.

ζάω can be used figuratively or theologically, not only for bodily animation.

Lexicons define ranges of meaning, not iron rules. Treating ζάω as “always bodily life” and ζωὴ as “always spiritual life” is itself an example of illegitimate semantic restriction, the very error being alleged.

 

[David in NJ]

I know it's hated to do this in this forum but I went and asked ChatGPT:

What does the Greek word zoe refer to in the New Testament, and what is the difference between zoe and zao?

Here's it's reply:

In the New Testament, **ζωή (*zōē*)** and **ζάω (*zaō*)** are closely related but serve different grammatical and theological roles.

1. **ζωή (*zōē*) — “life” (noun)**

**Meaning**

* *Zōē* refers to **life as God has it and gives it**—life in its fullest sense.
* It often points to **eternal life**, not merely endless duration, but a **quality of life rooted in relationship with God**.

**Theological emphasis**

* Divine, spiritual, and eternal life
* Life that comes from God and is sustained by Him
* Life contrasted with spiritual death

**Typical New Testament usage**

* “Eternal life” (*zōē aiōnios*)
* Life revealed in Christ

**Examples**

* *John 10:10*: “I came that they may have **life (zōē)** and have it abundantly.”
* *John 14:6*: “I am the way, and the truth, and the **life (zōē)**.”
* *1 John 5:12*: “Whoever has the Son has **life (zōē)**.”

> In short: **zōē = God-centered, spiritual, eternal life**.

2. **ζάω (*zaō*) — “to live” (verb)**

**Meaning**

* *Zaō* simply means **to live**, **to be alive**, or **to continue living**.
* It can describe **physical life**, **daily conduct**, or **spiritual living**, depending on context.

**Range of use**

* Physical existence (being alive)
* Manner of life (“how one lives”)
* Spiritual vitality (living toward God)

**Examples**

* *Romans 14:8*: “If we **live (zaō)**, we live to the Lord.”
* *Galatians 2:20*: “It is no longer I who **live (zaō)**, but Christ who lives in me.”
* *Luke 20:38*: “For all **live (zaō)** to Him.”

> In short: **zaō = the act or state of living**.

3. **Key Difference Between *zōē* and *zaō***

| Aspect | ζωή (*zōē*) | ζάω (*zaō*) |
| ---------------------- | --------------------------------------------- | ------------------------------------ |
| Part of speech | Noun | Verb |
| Basic sense | Life (what life is) | To live (the act of living) |
| Theological weight | Often heavy (eternal/divine life) Depends on context |
| Focus | **Nature/quality of life** | **Experience or expression of life** |

Bottom line

* **ζωή (*zōē*)** = life as God gives it—spiritual, eternal, abundant
* **ζάω (*zaō*)** = to live—to be alive or to conduct one’s life

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------​

Which is what I've been saying or trying to say in this thread - NOT because I saw the answer in ChatGPT but because before ChaTGPT and AI ever existed or before I even thought of looking outside the Bible, I discovered the above myself - just by making lists for myself of every verse containing each word - copied and pasted into a document I created - and then comparing the two words.

- hours of work which of course is brushed aside and berated by those whose man-made theologies require the two words to be conflated.

AGREE = GOD hates us turning to AI when we should be looking to HIM = Matthew 4:4

 

[WPM]

I know it's hated to do this in this forum but I went and asked ChatGPT:

What does the Greek word zoe refer to in the New Testament, and what is the difference between zoe and zao?

Here's it's reply:

What do you mean "I know it's hated to do this in this forum but I went and asked ChatGPT"? You were the main cheerleader denouncing ChatGPT and highlighting how it will tell you what it to tell you.

Is that not hypocrisy? You are obviously becoming desperate for support.

 

[Lizbeth]

A.) If you believe every word that God has Spoken, then Adam lived a LITERAL 930 years!!!

Yes I agree, but I believe it may also be speaking to/depicting/alluding to other things which is the reason it was written down. I'm sure it wasn't written for purpose of giving us a bio of Adam's life for the sake of curiosity or mere historical "information".

I know it's hated to do this in this forum but I went and asked ChatGPT:

What does the Greek word zoe refer to in the New Testament, and what is the difference between zoe and zao?

Here's it's reply:

In the New Testament, **ζωή (*zōē*)** and **ζάω (*zaō*)** are closely related but serve different grammatical and theological roles.

1. **ζωή (*zōē*) — “life” (noun)**

**Meaning**

* *Zōē* refers to **life as God has it and gives it**—life in its fullest sense.
* It often points to **eternal life**, not merely endless duration, but a **quality of life rooted in relationship with God**.

**Theological emphasis**

* Divine, spiritual, and eternal life
* Life that comes from God and is sustained by Him
* Life contrasted with spiritual death

**Typical New Testament usage**

* “Eternal life” (*zōē aiōnios*)
* Life revealed in Christ

**Examples**

* *John 10:10*: “I came that they may have **life (zōē)** and have it abundantly.”
* *John 14:6*: “I am the way, and the truth, and the **life (zōē)**.”
* *1 John 5:12*: “Whoever has the Son has **life (zōē)**.”

> In short: **zōē = God-centered, spiritual, eternal life**.

2. **ζάω (*zaō*) — “to live” (verb)**

**Meaning**

* *Zaō* simply means **to live**, **to be alive**, or **to continue living**.
* It can describe **physical life**, **daily conduct**, or **spiritual living**, depending on context.

**Range of use**

* Physical existence (being alive)
* Manner of life (“how one lives”)
* Spiritual vitality (living toward God)

**Examples**

* *Romans 14:8*: “If we **live (zaō)**, we live to the Lord.”
* *Galatians 2:20*: “It is no longer I who **live (zaō)**, but Christ who lives in me.”
* *Luke 20:38*: “For all **live (zaō)** to Him.”

> In short: **zaō = the act or state of living**.

3. **Key Difference Between *zōē* and *zaō***

| Aspect | ζωή (*zōē*) | ζάω (*zaō*) |
| ---------------------- | --------------------------------------------- | ------------------------------------ |
| Part of speech | Noun | Verb |
| Basic sense | Life (what life is) | To live (the act of living) |
| Theological weight | Often heavy (eternal/divine life) Depends on context |
| Focus | **Nature/quality of life** | **Experience or expression of life** |

Bottom line

* **ζωή (*zōē*)** = life as God gives it—spiritual, eternal, abundant
* **ζάω (*zaō*)** = to live—to be alive or to conduct one’s life

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------​

Which is what I've been saying or trying to say in this thread - NOT because I saw the answer in ChatGPT but because before ChaTGPT and AI ever existed or before I even thought of looking outside the Bible, I discovered the above myself - just by making lists for myself of every verse containing each word - copied and pasted into a document I created - and then comparing the two words.

- hours of work which of course is brushed aside and berated by those whose man-made theologies require the two words to be conflated.

Compare the above reply with @Hazelelponi 's post - which shows that AI can be used to create a false impression:

Yes, I'm just wondering because the Greeks didn't believe in God.....their use of the word zoe couldn't have been referring to the life of the Spirit as we know it. I think Chat GPT is probably tapping Christian resources to provide an answer here....I wonder if it has ancient Greek resources to be able to answer it from the Greek point of view and how they used those words back then.

 

[Zao is life]

AGREE = GOD hates us turning to AI when we should be looking to HIM = Matthew 4:4

Which is why without looking outside the Bible, and asking God for the understanding, I discovered the above myself - just by making lists for myself of every verse containing each word - copied and pasted into a document I created - and then comparing the two words.

- hours of work which of course is brushed aside and berated by those whose man-made theologies require the two words to be conflated.

 

[Lizbeth]

Sorry, I keep double posting by accident.

 

[Lizbeth]

2 Peter ch3 is reminding us of GENESIS = the longsuffering of GOD waiting until Noah finished the Ark = salvation

A.) “Where is the promise of His coming? For since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of creation.”
For this they willfully forget: that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of water and in the water,
by which the world that then existed perished, being flooded with water.

@Lizbeth, Do you SEE the apostle Peter pointing BACK to GENISIS ???

B.) But, beloved, do not forget this one thing, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance.

we AGREE = "this time of longsuffering which we are to account as salvation" = as we wait for His 2nd Coming

C.) Therefore, beloved, looking forward to these things, be diligent to be found by Him in peace, without spot and blameless; and consider that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation—as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given to him, has written to you, as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures.

You therefore, beloved, since you know this beforehand, beware lest you also fall from your own steadfastness, being led away with the error of the wicked; but grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

To Him be the glory both now and forever. Amen.

If we agree, I don't know what we are arguing about then. :) I might be misunderstanding some of your posts. But I suspect both "sides" of this debate still has some ironing out to do. I suspect that more was fulfilled in the first century than we have yet cottoned on to. God is not limited to time/space. He says something once but that doesn't necessarily mean He is only talking about one incidence or manifestation of what He is talking about. Anyway, I like to discuss but not argue so much except about critical foundational things....sometimes the Lord reveals things in the course of discussing as we keep seeking and knocking on the door.

 

[David in NJ]

If we agree, I don't know what we are arguing about then. :) I might be misunderstanding some of your posts. But I suspect both "sides" of this debate still has some ironing out to do. I suspect that more was fulfilled in the first century than we have yet cottoned on to. God is not limited to time/space. He says something once but that doesn't necessarily mean He is only talking about one incidence or manifestation of what He is talking about. Anyway, I like to discuss but not argue so much except about critical foundational things....sometimes the Lord reveals things in the course of discussing as we keep seeking and knocking on the door.

GENESIS is God's Biological Creation

God's First Fact and Emphasis = TRUTH = HE instructs us to Believe His Biological Physical Creation

2 Peter 3:5
But they deliberately overlook/mock the fact that long ago by God’s word the heavens existed and the earth was formed out of water and by water, through which the world of that time perished in the flood.

Lizbeth, don't join in with "they"

But I suspect both "sides" of this debate still has some ironing out to do.

Actually, ONLY those who are not believing every word of God, has Homework to do in prayer, study and submission to Matt 4:4