Amil interpretation of 2 Peter 3:10-12 vs Genesis 9:15

[Spiritual Israelite]

The heavens and earth will be dissolved to their very elements, it will be a new creation

Isaiah 65:17KJV
17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.

2 Peter 3:10-13KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Matthew 5:5 Blessed are the meek, For they shall inherit the earth.

For how long do you think the meek will inherit the earth?

I've never seen someone just refuse to answer a simple question over and over again like this. Explain to me how the meek will inherit the earth if it is completely annihilated and dissolved to the core rather than being regenerated by fire. Or do you just think that Matthew 5:5 isn't true and that the meek will not actually inherit the earth?

 

[Truth7t7]

Matthew 5:5 Blessed are the meek, For they shall inherit the earth.

For how long do you think the meek will inherit the earth?

I've never seen someone just refuse to answer a simple question over and over again like this. Explain to me how the meek will inherit the earth if it is completely annihilated and dissolved to the core rather than being regenerated by fire. Or do you just think that Matthew 5:5 isn't true and that the meek will not actually inherit the earth?

It's A Completly New Creation. (Absolutely To Create)​

Lexicon :: Strong's H1254 - bārā'​

Strong’s Definitions
בָּרָא bârâʼ, baw-raw'; a primitive root; (absolutely) to create;

Gen 1:1 - In the beginning God created H1254 the heaven and the earth.

Isa 65:17 - For, behold, I create H1254 new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.

Isa 65:18 - But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: H1254 for, behold, I create H1254 Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy.

 

[WPM]

It's A Completly New Creation. (Absolutely To Create)​

Lexicon :: Strong's H1254 - bārā'​

Strong’s Definitions
בָּרָא bârâʼ, baw-raw'; a primitive root; (absolutely) to create;

Gen 1:1 - In the beginning God created H1254 the heaven and the earth.

Isa 65:17 - For, behold, I create H1254 new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.

Isa 65:18 - But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: H1254 for, behold, I create H1254 Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy.

Creation is not eliminated when Jesus comes; it is changed, it is renewed, it is glorified, it is perfected. What is finished is the bondage of corruption. It is purged from creation forever. This is another truth that negates Premil. Creation will be restored so that the redeemed and glorified creature.

When Jesus comes in His glory, Jesus said, in Matthew 19:28, “Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration [Gr. paliggenesia] when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.”

This Greek word paliggenesia simply means renewal, restoration recreation, and regeneration. The word often used to denote the restoration of a thing to its pristine state.

Premils have no answer to the fact that Scripture shows the regeneration of the earth, heavens and elements to occur at Christ’s return, not after some supposed future millennial kingdom blighted with sin and sinners, dying and crying, disease and decay, corruption and crime, riots and rebellion, war and terror and Satan and his minions of the Premil scenario, including the pointless slaughter of countless innocent animals during that period.

The fact is: sin, death, disease, Satan, the wicked, wickedness and decay corrupt this current age, but are banished from the age to come at the end with the regeneration of the whole cosmos.

I agree with what Albert Barnes says on “the regeneration" here: “the word also means any great change, or a restoration of things to a former state or to a better state. In this sense it is probably used here. It refers to that great revolution-that restoration of order in the universe-that universal new birth which will occur when the dead shall rise, and all human things shall be changed, and a new order of things shall start up out of the ruins of the old, when the Son of man shall come to judgment. The passage, then, should be read, ‘Ye which have followed me shall, as a reward in the great day of the resurrection of the dead, and of forming the new and eternal order of things-the day of judgment, the regeneration – be signally honored and blessed’.”

Other translations seem to agree with this conclusion, interpreting this passage:

• "In the new world" ESV
• “In the new creation” Weymouth NT
• "When the world is made new" NLT
• "At the renewal of all things" NRSV

 

[Truth7t7]

Creation is not eliminated when Jesus comes; it is changed, it is renewed, it is glorified, it is perfected.

100% Wrong

The heavens and earth will be completely "Dissolved" in the Lord's fire judgement at his return, down to the very elements, it will be a completely "New Creation" as you've been shown several times

It's A Completly New Creation. (Absolutely To Create)​

Lexicon :: Strong's H1254 - bārā'​

Strong’s Definitions
בָּרָא bârâʼ, baw-raw'; a primitive root; (absolutely) to create;

Gen 1:1 - In the beginning God created H1254 the heaven and the earth.

Isa 65:17 - For, behold, I create H1254 new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.

Isa 65:18 - But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: H1254 for, behold, I create H1254 Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy.

 

[ewq1938]

100% Wrong

The heavens and earth will be completely "Dissolved" in the Lord's fire judgement at his return, down to the very elements,

That happens LONG after the second coming. The NHNE does not occur until AFTER the GWTJ, not before it.

 

[WPM]

100% Wrong

The heavens and earth will be completely "Dissolved" in the Lord's fire judgement at his return, down to the very elements, it will be a completely "New Creation" as you've been shown several times

It's A Completly New Creation. (Absolutely To Create)​

Lexicon :: Strong's H1254 - bārā'​

Strong’s Definitions
בָּרָא bârâʼ, baw-raw'; a primitive root; (absolutely) to create;

Gen 1:1 - In the beginning God created H1254 the heaven and the earth.

Isa 65:17 - For, behold, I create H1254 new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.

Isa 65:18 - But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: H1254 for, behold, I create H1254 Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy.

Can you address my points?

 

[rwb]

100% Wrong

The heavens and earth will be completely "Dissolved" in the Lord's fire judgement at his return, down to the very elements, it will be a completely "New Creation" as you've been shown several times

It's A Completly New Creation. (Absolutely To Create)​

Lexicon :: Strong's H1254 - bārā'​

Strong’s Definitions
בָּרָא bârâʼ, baw-raw'; a primitive root; (absolutely) to create;

Gen 1:1 - In the beginning God created H1254 the heaven and the earth.

Isa 65:17 - For, behold, I create H1254 new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.

Isa 65:18 - But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: H1254 for, behold, I create H1254 Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy.

Are not the words of Isaiah spiritually applicable since the advent of Christ' coming to earth a man with the Kingdom of God? The promises of God to make all things new again now spiritually built, and when complete physically the new heaven and new earth that shall be?

Isaiah speaks in the present tense of how God is spiritually building the Kingdom of God in heaven (new heavens & new earth) as the gospel of the Kingdom of God is proclaimed, and man of faith in the promise and fulfillment enter into the spiritual Kingdom of God as they hear and believe. Once the Kingdom of God in heaven is complete, the present heavens and earth shall be burned up, and the spiritual Kingdom of God shall come down a new heaven and new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth shall have passed away.

Isaiah 65:17-19 (KJV) For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind. But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy. And I will rejoice in Jerusalem, and joy in my people: and the voice of weeping shall be no more heard in her, nor the voice of crying.

A new heaven and a new earth that is now being spiritually built in heaven is the holy city, new Jerusalem that shall be coming down from God out of heaven, the spiritual Kingdom of God when complete shall be the new heaven and new earth as God created in the beginning before sin and death through sin existed.

Revelation 21:1-3 (KJV) And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.

Revelation 21:3-4 (KJV) And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

 

[Truth7t7]

Are not the words of Isaiah spiritually applicable since the advent of Christ' coming to earth a man with the Kingdom of God? The promises of God to make all things new again now spiritually built, and when complete physically the new heaven and new earth that shall be?

Isaiah speaks in the present tense of how God is spiritually building the Kingdom of God in heaven (new heavens & new earth) as the gospel of the Kingdom of God is proclaimed, and man of faith in the promise and fulfillment enter into the spiritual Kingdom of God as they hear and believe. Once the Kingdom of God in heaven is complete, the present heavens and earth shall be burned up, and the spiritual Kingdom of God shall come down a new heaven and new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth shall have passed away.

Isaiah 65:17-19 (KJV) For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind. But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy. And I will rejoice in Jerusalem, and joy in my people: and the voice of weeping shall be no more heard in her, nor the voice of crying.

A new heaven and a new earth that is now being spiritually built in heaven is the holy city, new Jerusalem that shall be coming down from God out of heaven, the spiritual Kingdom of God when complete shall be the new heaven and new earth as God created in the beginning before sin and death through sin existed.

Revelation 21:1-3 (KJV) And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.

Revelation 21:3-4 (KJV) And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

"For, Behold, I Create"​

It's A Completly New Creation. (Absolutely To Create)​

Lexicon :: Strong's H1254 - bārā'​

Strong’s Definitions
בָּרָא bârâʼ, baw-raw'; a primitive root; (absolutely) to create;

Gen 1:1 - In the beginning God created H1254 the heaven and the earth.

Isa 65:17 - For, behold, I create H1254 new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.

Isa 65:18 - But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: H1254 for, behold, I create H1254 Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy.

 

[TribulationSigns]

"For, Behold, I Create"​

God “created” (בָּרָא, bara H1254) His covenant congregation, but Jerusalem is the symbol, not the creator nor merely a physical city.

Here is the biblically precise answer:

1. What does bara (H1254) mean?​

The Hebrew verb בָּרָא (bara) means to create by divine action, often bringing something into covenantal existence, not merely forming physical material.

It is used for:

• Creation (Genesis 1:1)
• Creating a people (Isaiah 43:1, 7)
• Creating righteousness, salvation, and worship (Isaiah 45:8; 57:19)
  

“This people have I formed for myself; they shall shew forth my praise.”
— Isaiah 43:21

This is congregational creation, not geography.

2. Did God “create” the congregation?​

Yes—explicitly.

“Remember thy **congregation, which thou hast purchased of old;
the rod of thine inheritance, which thou hast redeemed;
this mount Zion, wherein thou hast dwelt.”
— Psalm 74:2

God did not merely gather Israel—He created them as a covenant people.

“The LORD hath chosen Zion;
he hath desired it for his habitation.”
— Psalm 132:13

Zion/Jerusalem is the dwelling place, not the essence. The people are the creation.

3. Is Jerusalem the congregation?​

No—not in a merely earthly sense.

Scripture is clear that Jerusalem represents the people of God, not bricks and stones.

“Jerusalem which is above is free,
which is the mother of us all.”
— Galatians 4:26

“Ye are come unto mount Sion,
and unto the city of the living God,
the heavenly Jerusalem…”
— Hebrews 12:22

The congregation is the city. The city is not merely a location.

4. Created congregation → fulfilled in Christ​

The Old Testament congregation (Israel) was created by God. The New Testament Church is the same people, re-created in Christ!

“For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus…”
— Ephesians 2:10

“If any man be in Christ, he is a new creation.”
— 2 Corinthians 5:17

There is one congregation, not two plans, not two peoples, not two salvation plans.

5. Final biblical conclusionsd​

• God created (bara) His congregation
• Jerusalem/Zion is the covenant symbol of that congregation
• The physical city pointed to the spiritual reality
• That reality is fulfilled in Christ and His Church

To reduce Jerusalem to ethnic geography is to miss the covenantal creation language of Scripture.

You need to remember that God did not create a city to save people, He created a people—and called them His city. Therefore, the New Jerusalem is not a physical city, but PEOPLE chosen by God! Oh wait a minute, they are indeed the stones of that building.

 

[Truth7t7]

Can you address my points?

Your points are self driven without scriptural backing, you openly deny ""I Create" as has been presented several times, the scripture below is simple, clear, easy to understand

Read it again and again, simple, clear, easy to understand in your denial to the facts below

It's A Completly New Creation. (Absolutely To Create)​

Lexicon :: Strong's H1254 - bārā'​

Strong’s Definitions
בָּרָא bârâʼ, baw-raw'; a primitive root; (absolutely) to create;

Gen 1:1 - In the beginning God created H1254 the heaven and the earth.

Isa 65:17 - For, behold, I create H1254 new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.

Isa 65:18 - But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: H1254 for, behold, I create H1254 Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy.

 

[rwb]

"For, Behold, I Create"​

It's A Completly New Creation. (Absolutely To Create)​

Lexicon :: Strong's H1254 - bārā'​

Strong’s Definitions
בָּרָא bârâʼ, baw-raw'; a primitive root; (absolutely) to create;

Gen 1:1 - In the beginning God created H1254 the heaven and the earth.

Isa 65:17 - For, behold, I create H1254 new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.

Isa 65:18 - But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: H1254 for, behold, I create H1254 Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy.

The New Covenant in Christ is a completely new creation. It is the spiritual Kingdom of God in heaven that is now represented through the universal Church through God's Covenant Body.

 

[Truth7t7]

The New Covenant in Christ is a completely new creation. It is the spiritual Kingdom of God in heaven that is now represented through the universal Church through God's Covenant Body.

Scripture clearly speaks of a New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, it will be God's Eternal Abode amongst his people

There will be vineyards planted and harvested, houses built and inhabitanted, with the tree of life being present in New Jerusalem having fruit to feed the nations, where the eternal river of life will flow from God's throne

 

[rwb]

Scripture clearly speaks of a New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, it will be God's Eternal Abode amongst his people

There will be vineyards planted and harvested, houses built and inhabitanted, with the tree of life being present in New Jerusalem having fruit to feed the nations, where the eternal river of life will flow from God's throne

Yes, New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem shall come down from heaven after the first heaven and earth have passed away. Why would life when all things are made new be any different, only much better, than what we have now?

Revelation 21:1-3 (KJV) And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.

Revelation 21:3-4 (KJV) And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

 

[Truth7t7]

Yes, New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem shall come down from heaven after the first heaven and earth have passed away. Why would life when all things are made new be any different, only much better, than what we have now?

Revelation 21:1-3 (KJV) And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.

Revelation 21:3-4 (KJV) And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

Yes it will be a "Eternal Kingdom" where the saints will walk in glorified immortal bodies, where God's throne resides in New Jerusalem, a completely "New Creation"

 

[TribulationSigns]

Yes it will be a "Eternal Kingdom" where the saints will walk in glorified immortal bodies, where God's throne resides in New Jerusalem, a completely "New Creation"

No—the New Jerusalem “is” the Bride herself: the PEOPLE.

Not a literal city of stones and gemstones. Scripture is clear: the stones and foundations represent redeemed people, not architecture. Selah.

Revelation says the New Jerusalem is “the Lamb’s wife” (Rev. 21:9–10). A city cannot be married—people can. The imagery of foundations, precious stones, and names points to the saints, built together as God’s dwelling (Eph. 2:19–22; 1 Pet. 2:5).

When Christ returns, He comes with all the saints who have died in Him, and those who are alive and remain will be changed and caught up to meet Him in the air (1 Thess. 4:16–17; 1 Cor. 15:51–52). That glorified, unified people of God are the New Jerusalem.

You are not going to see God lowering a physical city from outer space.

You are going to see a transformed people— God dwelling with His redeemed.

Amen!

.

 

[rwb]

Yes it will be a "Eternal Kingdom" where the saints will walk in glorified immortal bodies, where God's throne resides in New Jerusalem, a completely "New Creation"

The saints are the eternal Kingdom of God in heaven, now through Christ's Spirit in us, and in the age to come through resurrected immortal bodies!

 

[Truth7t7]

No—the New Jerusalem “is” the Bride herself: the PEOPLE.

Not a literal city of stones and gemstones. Scripture is clear: the stones and foundations represent redeemed people, not architecture. Selah.

Revelation says the New Jerusalem is “the Lamb’s wife” (Rev. 21:9–10). A city cannot be married—people can. The imagery of foundations, precious stones, and names points to the saints, built together as God’s dwelling (Eph. 2:19–22; 1 Pet. 2:5).

When Christ returns, He comes with all the saints who have died in Him, and those who are alive and remain will be changed and caught up to meet Him in the air (1 Thess. 4:16–17; 1 Cor. 15:51–52). That glorified, unified people of God are the New Jerusalem.

You are not going to see God lowering a physical city from outer space.

You are going to see a transformed people— God dwelling with His redeemed.

Amen!

.

I Disagree With Your "Symbolic Interpretation"

The Tree of Life will bear literal fruit to eat, the river of life will literally be flowing from God's throne, there will be literally twelve gates and foundations of New Jerusalem, a completely "New Creation"

 

[Truth7t7]

The saints are the eternal Kingdom of God in heaven, now through Christ's Spirit in us, and in the age to come through resurrected immortal bodies!

Do you deny a future eternal kingdom "New Jerusalem" where the eternal river and tree of life are present, where God's throne is?

Revelation 22:1-5KJV
1 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.
2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.
3 And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:
4 And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads.
5 And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever.

 

[rwb]

Do you deny a future eternal kingdom "New Jerusalem" where the eternal river and tree of life are present, where God's throne is?

Revelation 22:1-5KJV
1 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.
2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.
3 And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:
4 And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads.
5 And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever.

Of course not! This passage is depicting a vision of heaven, as creation existed before sin and death through sin entered in. Heaven is the interim for the spiritual body of Christ, living souls, to wait after physical death until time for building the Kingdom of God is finished. These are some of the passages from Scripture that depict visons of heaven as the Spiritual Kingdom of God in heaven is being built as the gospel of the Kingdom of God is being proclaimed unto all the nations of the earth.

Revelation 22:1-5 (KJV) And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb. In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations. And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him: And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads. And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever.

Revelation 14:1-5 (KJV) And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads. And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps: And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth. These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb. And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God.

Revelation 5:6-10 (KJV) And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth. And he came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne. And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints. And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

Revelation 7:9-12 (KJV) After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb. And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God, Saying, Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honour, and power, and might, be unto our God for ever and ever. Amen.

Revelation 2:7 (KJV) He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.

 

[TribulationSigns]

I Disagree With Your "Symbolic Interpretation"

Sorry to hear that. Clearly, you do not have spiritual discernment.

Your point was that Scripture is to be taken literally, so now we are to believe that your own opinion is the arbiter of when that rule no longer applies. The truth is, there is "nothing obvious" in the book of Revelation. It's an enigmatic, cryptic book of symbolic imagery and mystery. So I presume that you're saying that it is up to us to figure out what is literal and what is Spiritual because we think its meaning is obvious? What rules apply? Was it obvious to the Jews when Jesus cast them out of the Holy Temple where they were buyers and sellers, and then when the leaders asked Him what sign could he show unto them that he had the authority to do this, Christ said:

John 2:18-21

• "Then answered the Jews and said unto him, What sign shewest thou unto us, seeing that thou doest these things?
• Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
• Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?
• But he spake of the temple of his body."

Was it obvious to the Jews that Christ spoke of His body and not the physical Temple right there that He had just thrown the buyers and sellers out of? You know, the very obvious reason that they were asking the question? Of course, it's not obvious. That's not how the Holy Bible was inspired and written, and most certainly not how the book of Revelation with locusts like horses prepared unto battle, with crowns like gold on their heads, and faces of men can be categorized. Is this obvious that this scenario represents military tanks with transgender men in them as many propose? What about the Tree of Life? A river of life? Literal twelve gates and foundations of New Jerusalem? Shall we just guess what it means, or is the author (and thus the only interpreter of it) God? You seem to be making up your own rules of interpretation and using your own personal opinion as a methodology. That doesn't work in Biblical prophecy. Because interpretations belong to God which requires spiritual discernment. Selah.

Well the Lord Judges and I am comfortable with it.