Overview time line chart of the 7 years

[ewq1938]

Because the other two woes - by the 5th angel sounding and the 6th angel sounding are described in Revelation 9.

The 7th angel third woe - is highlighted as "woe to the inhabiters of the earth" in Revelation 12:12 as being Satan being cast down to earth having great wrath knowing that his time is short.

The woe in Rev 12 is verbal, not from a trump or with a trump. The timeline shows it is before the 2nd woe and there is no way the 3rd can happen before the 2nd.

 

[shepherdsword]

You don't understand that Revelation 11:15-18 is the reaction of them in heaven to what the third woe revealed as being.

Look at Revelation 12:12. See what it says in blue? Revelation 11:15-18 is the rejoicing reaction, by the 24 elders in heaven.

12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

This is why the elders are rejoicing. Anything in chapter 12 has nothing to to with it. Let's examine the sequence in context:

Here we see the 3rd woe announced as coming quickly
Rv 11:14-15 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.

The next thing that happens is the 7th trumpet, logically this makes it the 3rd woe
15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

Here we see the 24 elders rejoicing:
Rv 11:16-18 and the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,

Here we see the explicit reason they are rejoicing:
17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned. And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

The elders were not rejoicing for some event in chapter 12. We are told here exactly why

 

[Douggg]

This is why the elders are rejoicing. Anything in chapter 12 has nothing to to with it. Let's examine the sequence in context:

Here we see the 3rd woe announced as coming quickly
Rv 11:14-15 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.

John wrote down and recorded everything he was shown and told. Which is presented to us as the book of Revelation.

Revelation 11:14 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.

Revelation 11:14 is a notation that John makes to the readers of Revelation, like us. John is noting to the readers of Revelation, that the second woe, what it will be, has already been shown. And that the readers will soon be shown what the third woe will be. Which happens in Revelation 12:12.

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So back to the text of Revelation 11. All the events associated with two witnesses have just been presented for everyone in heaven to see, in Revelation 11:3-13.

And next, to everyone in heaven, they see and hear the seventh angel sound his trumpet in Revelation 11:15. And great voices in heaven proclaimed - "The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever."

So what does that mean ? It means that the time for the kingdom of God to brought to earth has come. In the days (not day) of the seventh angel sounding his trumpet.

Then, the twenty four elders, excited, react to the news, in Revelation 11:16-18.

And then there in heaven, as the twenty four elders look on - in Revelation 11:19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.

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So the main thing I am trying to get across in this post is that Revelation 11:14 is a notation that John makes to the readers of Revelation. We've read about what the second woe will be back in Revelation 9. And that we will soon read about what the third woe will be in Revelation 12.

 

[Douggg]

The woe in Rev 12 is verbal, not from a trump or with a trump. The timeline shows it is before the 2nd woe and there is no way the 3rd can happen before the 2nd.

Numerically, I understand your point about 2 comes before the 3.

But, it is not just a matter of numbers, but what the woes are. The third woe spans a time, times, half time. During that time, times, half time - the first and second woes will take place.

See on my chart excerpt below, the woe three begins, and woe three ends ? Woe three ends the day of Jesus's return.

 

[ewq1938]

Numerically, I understand your point about 2 comes before the 3.

I disagree. Your interp places the 3rd woe before the 2nd woe sounds.

But, it is not just a matter of numbers, but what the woes are. The third woe spans a time, times, half time.

The bible does not say that.

See on my chart excerpt below, the woe three begins, and woe three ends ? Woe three ends the day of Jesus's return.

No, the 7th trump signals the second coming to start.

 

[Douggg]

I disagree. Your interp places the 3rd woe before the 2nd woe sounds.


The bible does not say that.


No, the 7th trump signals the second coming to start.

You can't just ignore....

Revelation 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

On the 7 year timeline, when does Satan being cast down to earth take place ?

 

[ewq1938]

You can't just ignore....

Revelation 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

And you can't insert a trump where one isn't, especially out of order.

On the 7 year timeline, when does Satan being cast down to earth take place ?

There is no 7 years. satan is cast out before the 6th trump, IMO the 3rd trump.

 

[shepherdsword]

John wrote down and recorded everything he was shown and told. Which is presented to us as the book of Revelation.

Revelation 11:14 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.

Revelation 11:14 is a notation that John makes to the readers of Revelation, like us. John is noting to the readers of Revelation, that the second woe, what it will be, has already been shown. And that the readers will soon be shown what the third woe will be. Which happens in Revelation 12:12.

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So back to the text of Revelation 11. All the events associated with two witnesses have just been presented for everyone in heaven to see, in Revelation 11:3-13.

And next, to everyone in heaven, they see and hear the seventh angel sound his trumpet in Revelation 11:15. And great voices in heaven proclaimed - "The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever."

So what does that mean ? It means that the time for the kingdom of God to brought to earth has come. In the days (not day) of the seventh angel sounding his trumpet.

Then, the twenty four elders, excited, react to the news, in Revelation 11:16-18.

And then there in heaven, as the twenty four elders look on - in Revelation 11:19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.

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So the main thing I am trying to get across in this post is that Revelation 11:14 is a notation that John makes to the readers of Revelation. We've read about what the second woe will be back in Revelation 9. And that we will soon read about what the third woe will be in Revelation 12.

John wrote down and recorded everything he was shown and told. Which is presented to us as the book of Revelation.

Revelation 11:14 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.

Revelation 11:14 is a notation that John makes to the readers of Revelation, like us. John is noting to the readers of Revelation, that the second woe, what it will be, has already been shown. And that the readers will soon be shown what the third woe will be. Which happens in Revelation 12:12.

No...it doesn't happen at Rev 12:12. It happens at Rev 11:15-18. You are placing the casting out of Satan in Rev 12 AFTER the 2nd coming of Jesus in Rev 11...when he comes to Take possession of the governments of earth, judge the earth and reward the saints:

This passage is about the 2nd coming of Christ and there is no way to ignore it.

Rv 11:15-18
15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever. And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God, Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.(only happens at the 2nd coming) And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged,(only happens at the 2nd coming) and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets,(only happens at the 2nd coming) and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.(only happens at the 2nd coming)

 

[Douggg]

There is no 7 years. satan is cast out before the 6th trump, IMO the 3rd trump.

So how many years are there in Revelation 12 in your view ?

And during that time line, when is Satan cast down to earth ?

 

[Douggg]

You are placing the casting out of Satan in Rev 12 AFTER the 2nd coming of Jesus in Rev 11..

No, I am placing Satan being cast down to earth with a time, times, half time left in the 7 years.

 

[Douggg]

And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God, Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.(only happens at the 2nd coming) And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged,(only happens at the 2nd coming) and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets,(only happens at the 2nd coming) and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.(only happens at the 2nd coming)

The twenty four elders are speaking about the facets of God's sovereign power in those verses, His reigning over creation.

 

[shepherdsword]

No, I am placing Satan being cast down to earth with a time, times, half time left in the 7 years.

That would place his fall at the beginning of the great tribulation so it would be at the first woe.
*Note* There is no "7 years" in Revelation. It's an errant based on Dan 9:27.

 

[shepherdsword]

The twenty four elders are speaking about the facets of God's sovereign power in those verses, His reigning over creation.

They are speaking of four different things that can only happen at the 2nd coming.

And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God, Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.1)(only happens at the 2nd coming) And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged,2)(only happens at the 2nd coming) and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets,3)(only happens at the 2nd coming) and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.4)(only happens at the 2nd coming)

 

[Adventageous]

Not meaning to offend (anyone), nor to be rude (to anyone), but simply stating a position from just gleaning this thread, is that this thread, from beginning to ending (before this point) is a mess of confusion. The original chart (way too white / bright, and nearly killed my eyes) is incorrect from start to finish, as are generally the comments throughout this thread. Why people attempt to justify Jesuit futurism, or Jesuit hyper-literalism (of Revelation) ( Start at bottom of page and go for one more page - 13 Bible Studies, Prophecy, History, Theology, Legacy by brother Aaron Earnest : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive ), I will never know. I cannot ever figure out why people think there is a several thousand year 'intercalation' in a specifically delineated chronologically contiguous consecutive time prophecy begun in the year 457 BC, as per Dan. 8:13-14,26, 9:25; Ezr. 6:14, 7:1-28 KJB, &c.. There aren't any such 'intercalations' in any time prophecies in scripture, and that is quite telling, and so why would one exist in Daniel's books, when the same pattern is there, as elsewhere in scripture. - Daniel 9 Vs 24 70 Weeks Contiguous Consecutive 7 Years : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

Perhaps, simpler questions could be asked, and a beginning be had back in the time prophecies books of origin (ie, Daniel)? Up to those in this thread.

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If not, I will simply move on and leave a chart and some other things for others (much nicer to the eyes, especially eyes at night):

6th Trumpet 2300 Day Years Chart : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

6th Trumpet 2300 Day Years Chart

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I also wrote several books on the subjects, in case anyone is interested:

The Seven Trumpets Of Revelation - God's Great Trump : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

The Seven Trumpets Of Revelation - God's Great Trump

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(also powerpoints for those that want them - The Seven Trumpets Of Revelation - Revelation 8 vs 2 through 11 vs 19 : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive ) & ( The Two Witnesses Of Revelation 11 : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive )

Cross-Bow - Conquering And To Conquer : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

Cross-Bow - Conquering And To Conquer

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7th Sealed In - Once Sealed, Always Saved : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

7th Sealed In - Once Sealed, Always Saved

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Revelation 12 - The Conflict Of The Ages : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

Revelation 12 - The Conflict Of The Ages

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Revelation 17 - Hydra Therapy, The Cure For A 7 Heads Ache : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

Revelation 17 - Hydra Therapy, The Cure For A 7 Heads Ache

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(Also Single Page (Dual Sided Handouts) - Single Page (Dual Sided) Charts - Prophecy Print Outs : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

And various sermons - Jesus - A Man Of Sorrows (Sermon by brother Aaron Earnest) : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

Antiochus IV Epiphanes - Not The Antichrist - By Brother Aaron Earnest - 12-06-25 : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

Antiochus IV Epiphanes - Not The Antichrist - By Brother Aaron Earnest - 12-06-25

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Take 'em or leave 'em, up to each individual, their prerogative.

 

[Douggg]

They are speaking of four different things that can only happen at the 2nd coming.

And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God, Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.1)(only happens at the 2nd coming) And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged,2)(only happens at the 2nd coming) and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets,3)(only happens at the 2nd coming) and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.4)(only happens at the 2nd coming)

Those are things that are about to take place in the days of the 7th trumpet sounding. The days of the 7th trumpet sounding is the time, times, half time of the third woe.

That would place his fall at the beginning of the great tribulation so it would be at the first woe.
*Note* There is no "7 years" in Revelation. It's an errant based on Dan 9:27.

No, the 7 years of Daniel 9:27 are still unfulfilled. And correspond to the 7 years of Ezekiel 39:9 following the Gog/Magog event.

The 1260 days of the two witnesses in Revelation 11 take place before the seventh angel sounds his trumpet in Revelation 11:15 - correct ?

 

[shepherdsword]

Those are things that are about to take place in the days of the 7th trumpet sounding. The days of the 7th trumpet sounding is the time, times, half time of the third woe.

You are confusing Rev 10:7 with Rev 11: 15. Rev 10:7 mentions the days of the 7th Trumpet, Rev 11:15 is the day it sounds.

 

[Douggg]

Take 'em or leave 'em, up to each individual, their prerogative.

Start your own separate thread since you are way off topic.

 

[Douggg]

Rev 10:7 mentions the days of the 7th Trumpet, Rev 11:15 is the day it sounds.

So what are the rest of the days of the 7th Trumpet sounding ?

In Revelation 12, the first half of the 7 years is Revelation 12:6. The second half of the 7 years is Revelation 12:14.

1260 days + time/times/half time = 7 years.

 

[shepherdsword]

You can't just ignore....

Revelation 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

On the 7 year timeline, when does Satan being cast down to earth take place ?

No one is ignoring it. We are just pointing out that this is a separate "woe" that happens at the beginning of the tribulation. Satan is cast out and empowers the Antichrist at the first seal

 

[Douggg]

No one is ignoring it. We are just pointing out that this is a separate "woe" that happens at the beginning of the tribulation.

How many days does the great tribulation lasts ?