Overview time line chart of the 7 years

[Douggg]

I see how you are reading this into the text. You have to make the tribulation 7 years for your view. The "time, times and half a time" are the same as the 1260 days.

No, the time, times and half time comes after the 1260 days.

Revelation 12:6 - 1260 days,
Revelation 12:7-9 - the war in the second heaven
Revelation 12:14 - a time, times, half time.

btw, I never refer to the 7 years as "tribulation". But as the 7 year 70th week of Daniel 9:27 instead.

 

[ewq1938]

There are 7 years in Revelation 12 from Revelation 12:6 to Revelation 12:17.

That's not very accurate. There are an unknown amount of years in Rev 12, with two separate time periods of 3.5 years that are separated by an unknown amount of time. All of Rev 12 happens BEFORE the trib starts, the war against Christians found mentioned in the last verse. Neither the 2nd or 3rd woes occur in Rev 12.

 

[ewq1938]

See how the 1260 days of Revelation 12:6 and the time, times, half time of Revelation 12:14, when combined, make up the 7 years ?

Why aren't you also adding the 42 months of Rev 11 and 13 and the 1260 of Rev 11 to those time periods of Rev 12?

 

[Douggg]

That's not very accurate. There are an unknown amount of years in Rev 12, with two separate time periods of 3.5 years that are separated by an unknown amount of time. All of Rev 12 happens BEFORE the trib starts, the war against Christians found mentioned in the last verse. Neither the 2nd or 3rd woes occur in Rev 12.

 

[ewq1938]

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The two times periods are not connected in Rev 12. You have changed them so they are one time period. That doesn't bother you does it?

 

[Douggg]

Why aren't you also adding the 42 months of Rev 11 and 13 and the 1260 of Rev 11 to those time periods of Rev 12?

The 1260 days take place in the first half of the 7 years. The 42 months take place in the second half of the seven years.

Simply put, the like time frame expressions are grouped together and are placed in either the first half or second half of the 7 years.

 

[Douggg]

The two times periods are not connected in Rev 12. You have changed them so they are one time period. That doesn't bother you does it?

I don't know what you are talking about. The 1260 days of Revelation 12:6 are the first half of the seven years. And the time, times, half time of Revelation 12:14 are in the second half of the seven years.

Can't you just look at the table/chart. It is just a matter of whether those time frames fit in the first half or second half of the seven years.

 

[rvmb]

I don't know what you are talking about. The 1260 days of Revelation 12:6 are the first half of the seven years. And the time, times, half time of Revelation 12:14 are in the second half of the seven years

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What time period do you believe exists between 1 Cor 15:51-52, 1 The 4:14-17 and the start of the 7 year trib ?

 

[Douggg]

What time period do you believe exists between 1 Cor 15:51-52, 1 The 4:14-17 and the start of the 7 year trib ?

My view is that the resurrection/rapture event will take place any time between right this very second and the day the Antichrist commits the transgression of desolation act described in 2Thessalonians2:4.

 

[rvmb]

My view is that the resurrection/rapture event will take place any time between right this very second and the day the Antichrist commits the transgression of desolation act described in 2Thessalonians2:4.

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Always interested to read verses that teach against a pre-trib rapture.
Are there any you would like to quote/discuss ?

 

[Douggg]

Always interested to read verses that teach against a pre-trib rapture.
Are there any you would like to quote/discuss ?

I think that the rapture could take place pre-trib (pre-70th week). Or it may not.

But the resurrection/rapture event must take place before the transgression of desolation act takes place - because that act will draw God's wrath. And in 1Thessalonians5:9-11, it says Christians are not appointed to God's wrath.

9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,

10 Who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him.

11 Wherefore comfort yourselves together, and edify one another, even as also ye do.

 

[ewq1938]

I don't know what you are talking about. The 1260 days of Revelation 12:6 are the first half of the seven years. And the time, times, half time of Revelation 12:14 are in the second half of the seven years.

No, they are two separate time periods. You are forcing them into two directly connected periods and all of Rev 12 is before the trib even starts. Do you just ignore the last verse?

Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

 

[ewq1938]

I think that the rapture could take place pre-trib (pre-70th week). Or it may not.

But the resurrection/rapture event must take place before the transgression of desolation act takes place - because that act will draw God's wrath.

Not immediately. God waits for the 42 months to be over before wrath begins.

 

[rvmb]

I think that the rapture could take place pre-trib (pre-70th week). Or it may not.

But the resurrection/rapture event must take place before the transgression of desolation act takes place - because that act will draw God's wrath. And in 1Thessalonians5:9-11, it says Christians are not appointed to God's wrath.

9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,

10 Who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him.

11 Wherefore comfort yourselves together, and edify one another, even as also ye do.

Thanks Doug, I'm currently a pre-trib but am always happy to calmy discuss verses with those who are not.
Calm = learn, baseball bats = bruises

 

[Douggg]

No, they are two separate time periods. You are forcing them into two directly connected periods and all of Rev 12 is before the trib even starts. Do you just ignore the last verse?

Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

In Revelation 12:14, there are the Jews who flee to the mountains where they are protected. And the Jews who do flee to the mountains right away are the remnant vulnerable in Revelation 12:17

 

[ewq1938]

In Revelation 12:14, there are the Jews who flee to the mountains where they are protected.

Not mountains.

And the Jews who do flee to the mountains right away are the remnant vulnerable in Revelation 12:17

Either way, one time period is BEFORE the war in heaven and one is AFTER it. There is no 7 year period in Rev 12. It has two separate 3.5 year periods before the trib's 3.5 year period.

 

[Douggg]

Either way, one time period is BEFORE the war in heaven and one is AFTER it. There is no 7 year period in Rev 12. It has two separate 3.5 year periods before the trib's 3.5 year period.

Either way, one time period, the 1260 days, is BEFORE the war in heaven and one is AFTER it, the time/times/half time - to total 7 years..

1260 + the war time in the second heaven + time/times/half time = 7 years.

 

[ewq1938]

Either way, one time period, the 1260 days, is BEFORE the war in heaven and one is AFTER it, the time/times/half time - to total 7 years..

Plus the time before, in between the two 3.5 year periods, and the time after. Not 7 years. Not one time period, obviously not.

1260 + the war time in the second heaven + time/times/half time = 7 years.

And all this is still before the trib even starts so it's not the trib/GT anyways. The 3.5 year concept is used more than once in Rev. It's used two dif times in Rev, then used in Rev 13 represented as 42 months.

You have too long of a trib, starting at a time before Rev says it starts, with the 3rd woe in the wrong place. The interpretation is a disaster but that is Pretrib in a nutshell.

 

[Douggg]

Plus the time before, in between the two 3.5 year periods, and the time after. Not 7 years. Not one time period, obviously not.



And all this is still before the trib even starts so it's not the trib/GT anyways. The 3.5 year concept is used more than once in Rev. It's used two dif times in Rev, then used in Rev 13 represented as 42 months.

You have too long of a trib, starting at a time before Rev says it starts, with the 3rd woe in the wrong place. The interpretation is a disaster but that is Pretrib in a nutshell.

You are not communicating in an understandable way.

Also, stop using your slang term "trib" and do not use "tribulation"as well. And not "3.5 years". Use the terms in the text, i.e. 1260 days and a time, times, half time.

 

[shepherdsword]

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Douggg, please stop with the charts, brother. They remind me of the old Larkin originals. Use the scriptures.


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