The 3 Minor Feasts.

[Douggg]

Marilyn, the three man-created feasts of the opening post take place...

9th of Av - August 3

Hanukkah - December 14-22

Purim - March 2-3

So those really don't fit with the God ordained fall feasts that Jesus will fulfill at His second coming.

 

[shepherdsword]

1. Anti-Christ `s Image - 9th Av (Temple Desecration)

The anti-Christ gets an image of himself set up in the Jewish Temple. This is the abomination of desolation, placing himself in place of God. (Rev. 13: 14 & 15) This occurs exactly on the 9th of Av, which is the Jewish greatest day of mourning for their Temple desecration.


2. Jesus` Return - 29th Kislev (Hanukkah)

Jesus comes in great power and glory and brings the tribulation to an early close. This is in the time of Hanukkah, the Festival of lights. During the 8 days - 25th of Kislev to 2nd of Tevet, the Lord returns dealing with the world`s armies and delivers Israel.

Counting back from the 15th of Purim on a Jewish calendar (75 days) we find that the Lord returns on the 29th of Kislev.

Jewish Calendar - Length of Months.

I_____________________I____(30) ____I___(29)_____I____ (30)___I___15th
...........................................Kislev............ Tevet............... Shevat........ Adar

Temple Rededication - Tevet.

When the Lord reveals Himself to the people of Jerusalem they go into mourning. (Zech. 12: 10 - 14) After that they will seek to rededicate their temple at the end of the month. (Dan. 9: 24, 8: 13 & 14, 12: 11, John 10: 22)

New Year of Trees - Shevat.

Israel celebrates this month as the time of the Trees coming to fruit. In the tribulation the waters have been polluted, however the Lord brings fresh water from Jerusalem and out to the seas to cleanse them.(Zech.14: 8) The trees then grow and produce fruit. (Ez.47: 12)



3. National Celebrations - Adar 15th (Purim)

The cities of the world had fallen in the great earthquake so life will be agricultural. (Rev. 16: 18 & 19, Micah 4: 3) Thus from all over the world the Jews will be brought to the land of Israel - on horses, in chariots and in litters, on mules and on camels. (Isa. 66: 20)

Then it will be the time for the Festival of Purim, the national celebration of deliverance. In Jerusalem it will take place on the 15th of Adar. (Esther 9: 18 & 19)

This will be 1,335 days from the anti-Christ. (Dan. 12: 12)

Hmmmm, interesting. I will have to give this some thought.

 

[David in NJ]

1. Anti-Christ `s Image - 9th Av (Temple Desecration)

The anti-Christ gets an image of himself set up in the Jewish Temple. This is the abomination of desolation, placing himself in place of God. (Rev. 13: 14 & 15) This occurs exactly on the 9th of Av, which is the Jewish greatest day of mourning for their Temple desecration.


2. Jesus` Return - 29th Kislev (Hanukkah)

Jesus comes in great power and glory and brings the tribulation to an early close. This is in the time of Hanukkah, the Festival of lights. During the 8 days - 25th of Kislev to 2nd of Tevet, the Lord returns dealing with the world`s armies and delivers Israel.

Counting back from the 15th of Purim on a Jewish calendar (75 days) we find that the Lord returns on the 29th of Kislev.

Jewish Calendar - Length of Months.

I_____________________I____(30) ____I___(29)_____I____ (30)___I___15th
...........................................Kislev............ Tevet............... Shevat........ Adar

Temple Rededication - Tevet.

When the Lord reveals Himself to the people of Jerusalem they go into mourning. (Zech. 12: 10 - 14) After that they will seek to rededicate their temple at the end of the month. (Dan. 9: 24, 8: 13 & 14, 12: 11, John 10: 22)

New Year of Trees - Shevat.

Israel celebrates this month as the time of the Trees coming to fruit. In the tribulation the waters have been polluted, however the Lord brings fresh water from Jerusalem and out to the seas to cleanse them.(Zech.14: 8) The trees then grow and produce fruit. (Ez.47: 12)



3. National Celebrations - Adar 15th (Purim)

The cities of the world had fallen in the great earthquake so life will be agricultural. (Rev. 16: 18 & 19, Micah 4: 3) Thus from all over the world the Jews will be brought to the land of Israel - on horses, in chariots and in litters, on mules and on camels. (Isa. 66: 20)

Then it will be the time for the Festival of Purim, the national celebration of deliverance. In Jerusalem it will take place on the 15th of Adar. (Esther 9: 18 & 19)

This will be 1,335 days from the anti-Christ. (Dan. 12: 12)

Interesting perspective - thank you

 

[David in NJ]

The main point of the thread was to show that God`s word has revealed the time of the Lord`s return to deliver Israel and bring vengeance upon the rebellious. Of course, the date relates to the Jewish calendar. However, one can check each year and find the corresponding solar calendar date.

How would explain this in relation to your post with dates

No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son,g but only the Father.

 

[Marilyn C]

How would explain this in relation to your post with dates

No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son,g but only the Father.

Hi David,

Glad you brought that up. I thought I`d wait till someone asked, and you have. Now when Jesus was on earth He did not know of the date of His coming. However, now that He is at the right hand of the Father He is in the Godhead and knows all.

Also the dates, from Adar 15 which is in Esther 9: 21 are in Jewish times. Since the Jewish calendar is not the same as our Solar calendar then every year an adjustment is made to coincide the Jewish (Lunar) calendar with the Solar.

Thus, we can know the Jewish dates but NOT the dates they will occur on a solar calendar. So, we don`t know the solar dates.

 

[Marilyn C]

Marilyn, the three man-created feasts of the opening post take place...

9th of Av - August 3

Hanukkah - December 14-22

March - March 2-3

So those really don't fit with the God ordained fall feasts that Jesus will fulfill at His second coming.

Hi Douggg,

That`s right they are AFTER the fall Feasts. And yes, they are not the main Feast but two are man-made, however, the final one, Adar 15 is in Esther 9: 21 and is Israel`s celebration of National deliverance. Obviously, that will be fulfilled after the Lord returns and delivers them.

because the Jewish calendar is by the Lunar months then it does not correspond to our Solar (sun) calendar. Thus, every year there needs to be an adjustment. So, no one can know the dates but only see what would be in a certain year.

For example if the trib, starts in 2027 then the National Celebrations of Adar 15 will be on 6th March 2034.

2027 - 2034

If the year 2027 is when the tribulation could start then we can look up a Jewish calendar with the solar (our) calendar dates.

Prior to the tribulation is the Russian Federation at the Golan Heights outside Israel. The believers in Christ are then raptured. God deals with the Russian army and the others joining it. Then the world clamours for `Peace and Safety.`


The Peace Treaty. 8th February 2027. (Adar 1) A man from Islam steps in and makes a peace treaty with Israel. The tribulation has begun.


Israel`s Sacrifices. 6th September 2027. (4th Elul) For seven months the people of Israel search out the bones of the great army and bury them in a valley. Then when there are no more found for 10 days they begin their sacrifices to God after 2000 years.



The Anti-Christ. 10th July 2030 (9th Tammuz) The man who made the Peace Treaty will be made the Global leader. He deceives the world and they acclaim him as God. He rules for 42 months, 1,260 days. He puts an end to Israel`s sacrifices.



The Abomination. 8th August 2030 (9th Av) A month later this man known as the anti-Christ gets an image of himself erected in Israel`s holy sanctuary, in God`s place. This is an abomination to the people of Israel. The people flee to the hills, mourning the desecration of their Temple.



Jesus` Return. 21st December 2033 (29th Kislev) Jesus returns with His mighty angel army, in power and great glory. He deals with the world`s armies surrounding Jerusalem and delivers the people of Israel. When Jesus reveals Himself to the people they go into mourning.



The Temple Rededication. 20th January 2034 (29 Tevet) After a month of morning the Priests cleanse and rededicate the temple and sanctuary.



National Celebrations. 6th March 2034 (15th Adar) The people celebrate their national deliverance in Jerusalem.

 

[Marilyn C]

 

[Douggg]

If the year 2027 is when the tribulation could start then we can look up a Jewish calendar with the solar (our) calendar dates.

Prior to the tribulation is the Russian Federation at the Golan Heights outside Israel. The believers in Christ are then raptured. God deals with the Russian army and the others joining it. Then the world clamours for `Peace and Safety.`


The Peace Treaty. 8th February 2027. (Adar 1) A man from Islam steps in and makes a peace treaty with Israel. The tribulation has begun.

Marilyn, when you say "the tribulation", do you mean the 7 years ? I never use the term "the tribulation" because it can be confusing as to whether the 7 years are meant, or if the great tribulation is meant.

I expect the 7 years to begin in the fall, at the time of the feast of tabernacles. And not by a peace treaty, but by a confirmation of the Mt. Sinai covenant speech by the Antichrist, a Jew, from the temple mount.

 

[Douggg]

Marilyn, the Gog/Magog event will be right before the 7 years. We are not told how long that event lasts.

But when God supernaturally destroys Gog's army, the 7 years will follow right after the destruction. The 7 years are in Ezekiel 39:9.

 

[David in NJ]

Hi David,

Glad you brought that up. I thought I`d wait till someone asked, and you have. Now when Jesus was on earth He did not know of the date of His coming. However, now that He is at the right hand of the Father He is in the Godhead and knows all.

Also the dates, from Adar 15 which is in Esther 9: 21 are in Jewish times. Since the Jewish calendar is not the same as our Solar calendar then every year an adjustment is made to coincide the Jewish (Lunar) calendar with the Solar.

Thus, we can know the Jewish dates but NOT the dates they will occur on a solar calendar. So, we don`t know the solar dates.

now that He is at the right hand of the Father He is in the Godhead and knows all.

You may be correct here AND good valid observation = i will definitely dwell on this.

For now, i am going to take JESUS word in His Gospel for this reason = Acts 1:7
"And He said to them, “It is not for you to know times or seasons which the Father has put in His own authority."

Now you would point out that HE did not Ascend as yet BUT HE did Resurrect from the Grave for 40 days to this point.

One more ULTRA IMPORTANT TRUTH that keeps me thinking that the FATHER is waiting until the Right Time to tell His Son = Now GO!

Do you know what that is???

Shalom

 

[Marilyn C]

You may be correct here AND good valid observation = i will definitely dwell on this.

For now, i am going to take JESUS word in His Gospel for this reason = Acts 1:7
"And He said to them, “It is not for you to know times or seasons which the Father has put in His own authority."

Now you would point out that HE did not Ascend as yet BUT HE did Resurrect from the Grave for 40 days to this point.

One more ULTRA IMPORTANT TRUTH that keeps me thinking that the FATHER is waiting until the Right Time to tell His Son = Now GO!

Do you know what that is???

Shalom

However, Jesus the Head of the Body by His Holy Spirit did say through the Apostle Paul -

`But concerning the times and seasons, brethren, you have no need that I should write to you, for you yourselves know perfectly that the Day of the LORD so comes as a thief in the night.....but you, brethren, are not in darkness that this Day should overtake you as a thief..` (1 Thess. 5: 1-4)

You see the apostle Paul had been with the Thessalonians and taught them about Israel`s `times and seasons,` for Paul was a Jew and had been taught all those. Paul was able to teach his disciples what was relevant to Israel and what was relevant to them as the Body of Christ.

And the appointed time is when the Lord has brought His Body to maturity of faith in Himself. (Eph.4: 13)

 

[Marilyn C]

Marilyn, when you say "the tribulation", do you mean the 7 years ? I never use the term "the tribulation" because it can be confusing as to whether the 7 years are meant, or if the great tribulation is meant.

I expect the 7 years to begin in the fall, at the time of the feast of tabernacles. And not by a peace treaty, but by a confirmation of the Mt. Sinai covenant speech by the Antichrist, a Jew, from the temple mount.

Actually I mean 6.11 years for the tribulation. The great trib, is 3 1/2 years.

The Feast of Tabernacles means `God with us,` and God`s word tells us that is AFTER the trib. (Zech. 14: 16)

 

[Marilyn C]

Marilyn, the Gog/Magog event will be right before the 7 years. We are not told how long that event lasts.

But when God supernaturally destroys Gog's army, the 7 years will follow right after the destruction. The 7 years are in Ezekiel 39:9.

I agree that the northern great army, (Russian Fed, and others) will be before the 7 years (of Israel`s chastisement).

After the war there will still be a short space for the parties to come together to make the Peace treaty.

 

[Douggg]

I agree that the northern great army, (Russian Fed, and others) will be before the 7 years (of Israel`s chastisement).

After the war there will still be a short space for the parties to come together to make the Peace treaty.

Time will tell. But I don't think the Antichrist can be a muslim.

The Antichrist must be a Jew in order for the Jews to think he is their long awaited King of Israel messiah.

The prince that shall come in Daniel 9:26 will be the Antichrist person. Also, in Revelation 6, the rider on the white horse (symbolic of a messiah figure) will be given a crown - i.e. be anointed the King of Israel (thought to be messiah).

 

[David in NJ]

However, Jesus the Head of the Body by His Holy Spirit did say through the Apostle Paul -

`But concerning the times and seasons, brethren, you have no need that I should write to you, for you yourselves know perfectly that the Day of the LORD so comes as a thief in the night.....but you, brethren, are not in darkness that this Day should overtake you as a thief..` (1 Thess. 5: 1-4)

Paul did not know, and NEVER set a date, month or year = neither did Peter or John

1 Thessalonians 5:1-4 is given more DETAIL for the Body of Christ in 2 Thessalonians

You see the apostle Paul had been with the Thessalonians and taught them about Israel`s `times and seasons,` for Paul was a Jew and had been taught all those. Paul was able to teach his disciples what was relevant to Israel and what was relevant to them as the Body of Christ.

Actaully Marilyn, Paul wrote NOT to be concerned with times and seasons = DO NOT be concerned of times & seasons, BRETHREN

`But concerning the times and seasons, brethren, you have no need that I should write to you, = thief in the night

And the appointed time is when the Lord has brought His Body to maturity of faith in Himself. (Eph.4: 13)

Hey, i LIKE this also = except the MOST IMPORTANT TRUTH is not this one!!!

Shalom

 

[David in NJ]

Actually I mean 6.11 years for the tribulation. The great trib, is 3 1/2 years.

The Feast of Tabernacles means `God with us,` and God`s word tells us that is AFTER the trib. (Zech. 14: 16)

Great!!!

Zechariah ch14 = Matt 24:29-31 = Immediately AFTER the tribulation of those days.........I COME"

 

[Marilyn C]

Time will tell. But I don't think the Antichrist can be a muslim.

The Antichrist must be a Jew in order for the Jews to think he is their long awaited King of Israel messiah.

The prince that shall come in Daniel 9:26 will be the Antichrist person. Also, in Revelation 6, the rider on the white horse (symbolic of a messiah figure) will be given a crown - i.e. be anointed the King of Israel (thought to be messiah).

The horsemen represent the enemies (the Nations Ps. 2) that God the Father is bringing to His Son`s footstool for judgment. (Ps. 110: 1)

The prophet Zechariah was also given a vision of them as chariots, `four spirits (angels) of heaven standing by the Lord,` bringing the nations to judgment.

Notice that the first nation is in the North. (Zech. 6: 8) Joel also says that. (Joel 2: 20)

The `crown` does represent kingship and that nation was the British Empire that controlled nearly a 1/4 of the world. They certainly went conquering and to conquer.

Notice also, that the `red horse,` with the great sword is Russia and how it and the former Soviet Union killed millions.

And so we are up to the `Black horse,` which brings great inflation. That is the EU with its `free Trade` policy that has led to multinationals and great debt throughout the world. It would seem that all the printing of paper money has led to a great debt bubble which perhaps will burst next year. What terrible times that will bring, but great opportunities for believers to help the unsaved and point them to the Lord.

 

[Marilyn C]

Paul did not know, and NEVER set a date, month or year = neither did Peter or John

1 Thessalonians 5:1-4 is given more DETAIL for the Body of Christ in 2 Thessalonians


Actaully Marilyn, Paul wrote NOT to be concerned with times and seasons = DO NOT be concerned of times & seasons, BRETHREN

`But concerning the times and seasons, brethren, you have no need that I should write to you, = thief in the night



Hey, i LIKE this also = except the MOST IMPORTANT TRUTH is not this one!!!

Shalom

Paul knew the `times and seasons` and told his disciples. They knew of the Day of the LORD which heralds the war, the trib, and the millennium. The Hebrew and Greek word for Day means - a period of time and a specific day.

The Thessalonians knew that the Day of the LORD (God Almighty in judgment) came as a thief and was for those in darkness. They knew that they were not in darkness so that Day would not overtake them. (1 Thess. 5: 2 & 4)

Paul would have told them that the prophet Joel said that the Day of the LORD, (period of time) had a great army being brought by God down to Israel and then being dealt with by God. (Joel 2: 1, 20)

And so what do you believe is the most important truth? Thank you.

 

[Marilyn C]

Great!!!

Zechariah ch14 = Matt 24:29-31 = Immediately AFTER the tribulation of those days.........I COME"

Jesus tells the people of Israel that He will come and deliver them and bring vengeance upon the rebellious.

 

[Douggg]

The `crown` does represent kingship and that nation was the British Empire that controlled nearly a 1/4 of the world. They certainly went conquering and to conquer.

Notice also, that the `red horse,` with the great sword is Russia and how it and the former Soviet Union killed millions.

Hi Marilyn,

I don't think so. The seals cover events to take place during the 7 years, from beginning to end. Note day 1 and day 2520 on the chart.