Overview time line chart of the 7 years

[rvmb]

Douggg, please stop with the charts, brother. They remind me of the old Larkin originals. Use the scriptures.

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1919 by Charles Larkin.

What did Larkin get wrong ?

 

[shepherdsword]

What did Larkin get wrong ?

The rapture before the 1st of the 7 seals were opened. (circled)
This contradicts:

2 Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

The Judgement seat of Christ happens at the 7th trumpet:

Rv 11:15-18
5 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever. And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God, Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

 

[rvmb]

The rapture before the 1st of the 7 seals were opened. (circled)
This contradicts:

2 Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

The Judgement seat of Christ happens at the 7th trumpet:

Rv 11:15-18
5 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever. And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God, Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.




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""The rapture before the 1st of the 7 seals were opened. (circled)""
The old Revelation confusion rides again.
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[shepherdsword]

""The rapture before the 1st of the 7 seals were opened. (circled)""
The old Revelation confusion rides again.
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It's ridiculous to claim the 7 churches were not Christian. It's a hyper-dispensationist invention. We know for certain that at least Ephesus was. Paul explicitly writes to them as gentiles. Let's examine the proof:

Eph 2:11-13
Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.

It's pretty much for certain all of the other 6 were as well.

 

[Ronald D Milam]

No, the great tribulation will be 1335 days long based on Daniel 12:11-12. It will fit within the 7 years of Daniel 9:27 and Ezekiel 39:9.

Daniel 12:11-12
11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.

Here is the 1335 days of the great tribulation on the table. And also the time/times/half time of Satan's persecution to take place during the third woe.

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No, it will be 1260 days. Lets add up the common sense facts in a common sense way

Israel must repent first right? Else how do they know to flee Judea? and before they flee Judea we must see the AoD and the AC cannot go forth Conquering until the 1260 middle of the week. So, we know the Two-witnesses have to show up first and the temple must be defiled before the AC becomes the Beast by Conquering Israel, so these numbers have to be in this order.

1.) 1335 Two-witnesses show up 1335 days before the 2nd coming OR 1185 days into the 70th week.

2.) The 1290 False Prophet happens 45 days after the 1335 and 30 days before the middle of the week 1260 event. He will forbid Jesus worship in "his temple" and then place an IMAGE of the E.U. President up in the temple (1290 AoD). In other words he "Takes the [real] Sacrifice away.

3.) The 1260 happens in the middle of the 70th week. This is the AC/Beast.

 

[rvmb]

It's ridiculous to claim the 7 churches were not Christian. It's a hyper-dispensationist invention. We know for certain that at least Ephesus was. Paul explicitly writes to them as gentiles. Let's examine the proof:

Eph 2:11-13
Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.

It's pretty much for certain all of the other 6 were as well.

""It's ridiculous to claim the 7 churches were not Christian. It's a hyper-dispensationist invention.""
Opinions are like odors, everyone has them :)
ps, He is one of many who teach similar but I won't flood this forum with them.

 

[ewq1938]

You are not communicating in an understandable way.

Also, stop using your slang term "trib" and do not use "tribulation"as well. And not "3.5 years". Use the terms in the text, i.e. 1260 days and a time, times, half time.

Stop using "i.e.". The term is id est.

 

[shepherdsword]

""It's ridiculous to claim the 7 churches were not Christian. It's a hyper-dispensationist invention.""
Opinions are like odors, everyone has them :)
ps, He is one of many who teach similar but I won't flood this forum with them.

I am not seeing how acknowledging Ephesus as a gentile church is just an opinion. We are explicitly told that it was.
Whatever

 

[Douggg]

Stop using "i.e.". The term is id est.

"i.e." is a Latin abbreviation for id est, meaning "that is," or "in other words," used to clarify or rephrase a previous statement.

i.e. is a commonly used grammar term, meaning "that is" or "in other words". It has no religious significance like your slang word "trib", nor "tribulation", nor 3.5 years, nor 3 1/2 years.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Are the 24 elders in heaven in Revelation 11:15-18 not rejoicing ?

Yes. So?

Does Revelation 12:12, not also say "Woe to the inhabiters of the earth" ?

Yes. So?

Revelation 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

Just because you see the same phrase being used in one verse doesn't automatically make it directly related to another verse where the phrase is used. Revelation 12:12 is related to when the devil was cast out of heaven, which already happened long ago. That has nothing to do with any of the last 3 trumpets/woes.

 

[ewq1938]

"i.e." is a Latin abbreviation for id est, meaning "that is," or "in other words," used to clarify or rephrase a previous statement.

i.e. is a commonly used grammar term, meaning "that is" or "in other words". It has no religious significance like your slang word "trib", nor "tribulation", nor 3.5 years, nor 3 1/2 years.

All those are commonly used terms in bible discussions. Don't complain when they are used just because you don't use them.

 

[Douggg]

Israel must repent first right? Else how do they know to flee Judea?

The Jews will know to flee to the mountains because the two witnesses will be in Jerusalem testifying and preaching.

1.) 1335 Two-witnesses show up 1335 days before the 2nd coming OR 1185 days into the 70th week.

No, the two witnesses show up at the start of the 7 years. Testifying about Jesus and warning the Jews about the Antichrist false messiah.

The 1335 days begin when the AoD is setup on the temple mount.

 

[Douggg]

All those are commonly used terms in bible discussions. Don't complain when they are used just because you don't use them.

Use terms that are in the text of the specific bible verses that you are trying to communicate your view about.

 

[ewq1938]

Use terms that are in the text of the specific bible verses that you are trying to communicate your view about.

You first. I want to see you posting in Greek which is what the NT is written in.

 

[rvmb]

I am not seeing how acknowledging Ephesus as a gentile church is just an opinion. We are explicitly told that it was.
Whatever

""I am not seeing how acknowledging Ephesus as a gentile church is just an opinion""
Gentiles have & will exist/ed for a long time.
Please state the verses that teach Rev 2:1 Church of Ephesus is a "BODY OF CHRIST" Church as in Ephesians
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[shepherdsword]

""I am not seeing how acknowledging Ephesus as a gentile church is just an opinion""
Gentiles have & will exist/ed for a long time.
Please state the verses that teach Rev 2:1 Church of Ephesus is a "BODY OF CHRIST" Church as in Ephesians
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I am going to leave you with this. If you can ignore direct statements then there is no need to proceed in a discussion.
This is absolute proof the church of Ephesus was a gentile body:

Eph 2:11-12
1 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:

 

[rvmb]

I am going to leave you with this. If you can ignore direct statements then there is no need to proceed in a discussion.
This is absolute proof the church of Ephesus was a gentile body:

Eph 2:11-12
1 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:

Where did I say it wasn't ?
The request is, please list the verses that teach Rev2:1 is a BODY OF CHRIST Church

 

[shepherdsword]

Where did I say it wasn't ?
The request is, please list the verses that teach Rev2:1 is a BODY OF CHRIST Church

He said this to the Ephesians:

Eph 5:30 For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.



And.....
Eph 2:13-22
But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ. For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us; Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace; And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby: And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh. For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God; And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone; In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.

Eph 3:3-6 How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words, Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit; That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:

 

[rvmb]

He said this to the Ephesians:

Eph 5:30 For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.



And.....
Eph 2:13-22
But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ. For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us; Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace; And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby: And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh. For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God; And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone; In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.

Eph 3:3-6 How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words, Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit; That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:

How does that prove the Rev 2:1 church is a 'Body of Christ' Church as EXCLUSIVELY taught by Paul ?
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[shepherdsword]

How does that prove the Rev 2:1 church is a 'Body of Christ' Church as EXCLUSIVELY taught by Paul ?
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Can you be part of the body of Christ and not be a "body of Christ" church?