Christian Soldier
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Who are the "ours" and "the whole world" in 1 John 2:2???? if you can figure that out then you might be onto something, until then your just quoting words without knowing what they are referring to.
Is it possible to lose salvation?
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Christian Soldier
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No, nobody has ever suggested any such silly thing. God never created anyone for any such thing. Whoever told you that is a wicked liar.
God gives those He didn't chose to save, exactly what they deserve and that's eternal torment in hell. He has no choice, if He didn't then He would be evil and I wouldn't worship an evil god.
Christian Soldier
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Here's what Gods Word says about your wisdom and understanding.
Proverbs 14:12 "There is a way that seems right to a man, but its end is the way of death,"
1 Cor 2:14 "But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned".
John 7: "You will seek Me and not find Me, and where I am you cannot come".
I'm not going to give you a long list of verses, only to have you ignore what they're saying. I don't think you are ready to embrace the truth of the gospel yet.
Christian Soldier
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You've been telling lots of lies and making false promises for a long time now. And I see you're still trying to scheme and deceive people with your demonic doctrines.
You don't get my house by making false promises to show me non existent verses of scripture, to support your false gospel.
I will gladly give my house and the rest of my possessions, to the first person who produces a single shred of evidence to support your (saved by works) perverted version of the gospel
You should hang your head in shame, as I have exposed your scam. Who would be so foolish as to decline the offer of a free house and other assets, and I'm not joking either.
I agree.
I agree.
Proverbs 14:12
New King James Version
There is a way that seems right to a man, But its end is the way of death.
1 Corinthians 2:14
Berean Standard Bible
The natural man does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God. For they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned.
Matthew 7:13
Berean Standard Bible
Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and many enter through it.
Matthew 13:13-15
New International Version
This is why I speak to them in parables: “Though seeing, they do not see; though hearing, they do not hear or understand. 14 In them is fulfilled the prophecy of Isaiah: “’You will be ever hearing but never understanding; you will be ever seeing but never perceiving. 15 For this people’s heart has become calloused; they hardly hear with their ears, and they have closed their eyes. Otherwise they might see with their eyes, hear with their ears, understand with their hearts and turn, and I would heal them.’
John 8:43
New King James Version
Why do you not understand My speech? Because you are not able to listen to My word.
Luke 11:9
New King James Version
“So I say to you, ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you.
Proverbs 2:6
King James Bible
For the LORD giveth wisdom: out of his mouth cometh knowledge and understanding.
John 14:26
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But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you.
Proverbs 8:17
English Standard Version
I love those who love me, and those who seek me diligently find me.
Luke 13:24
New International Version
“Make every effort to enter through the narrow door, because many, I tell you, will try to enter and will not be able to.
Proverbs 14:12, 1 Corinthians 2:14, Matthew 7:13, Matthew 13:13-15, John 8:43 These scriptures explain the difficulty for many.
Luke 11:9, Proverbs 2:6, John 14:26, Proverbs 8:17, Luke 13:24 These scriptures use words like: knock, and it will be opened to you,
For the LORD giveth wisdom, the Holy Spirit... will teach you all things, and those who seek me diligently find me, make every effort to enter through the narrow door.
Isn't Jesus words here referring to where he is going?
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it was a typo I meant acts 15:7 and we discussed this before here it is again;""First and it matters Peter was chosen by God to preach to the gentiles (Acts 17:7)before Paul ever did.""
Acts 17:7 Whom Jason hath received: and these all do contrary to the decrees of Caesar, saying that there is another king, one Jesus.
Try again LY with the right verses so we can discuss your concerns STEP by STEP
Paul was not the only one preaching to the gentiles, Jesus Himself never divided the gospel by race or handed it to only one man. After His resurrection, Jesus spoke to all the apostles and said, “Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations” (Matthew 28:19, NKJV). He did not say this work would later belong to Paul alone. He gave the same mission to all whom He chose.
Jesus also spoke about Gentiles before Paul was ever called. He said, “And other sheep I have which are not of this fold; them also I must bring” (John 10:16, NKJV). These “other sheep” are Gentiles, and Jesus says He will bring them, not replace His shepherds with a new one. Did he not speak to the Samaritan woman, a gentile?, see John 4.
Peter was directly chosen by God to open the door to the Gentiles. In Acts 10, God gave Peter the vision, sent him to Cornelius, and poured out the Holy Spirit on Gentiles while Peter was still speaking. Peter later explains this event clearly: “God made choice among us, that by my mouth the Gentiles should hear the word of the gospel and believe”(Acts 15:7, NKJV). This statement is very important. Peter says God chose him, not temporarily, and not before Paul only, but by God’s own decision, it is on Peter that the church was built, Jesus said to Him;
"And I also say to you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build My church, and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it."(Matthew 16:18) It becomes evident that it is on the work of Peter that the the church was built then, not Paul. Remember Jesus the Son of God was also a prophet and knew all that would Happen it is why he said and I repeat on purpose hoping it will sink in; And I also say to you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build My church, and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it.
After Paul’s conversion, Peter did not stop ministering to Gentiles. In Acts 11, Peter defends what happened with Cornelius before the church in Jerusalem, and they glorify God saying, “Then God has also granted to the Gentiles repentance to life” (Acts 11:18, NKJV). No one says Peter’s role ended.
Acts 15 does not transfer authority to Paul. The council meets because Gentiles are already coming to faith through different apostles. Peter speaks first and reminds them of what God did through him among the Gentiles (Acts 15:7–11). Then James gives the final judgment, not Paul (Acts 15:13–19). This shows shared leadership, not a handover of the gospel to one man.
Even after Acts 15, Peter continues to write to Gentile believers. He addresses his letters to believers scattered among the nations (1 Peter 1:1). John also writes to churches made up largely of Gentiles (Revelation 1:4). None of them say their mission ended or was replaced.
So the Bible shows this clearly. Jesus gave the mission to all the apostles. Peter was chosen by God to open the door to the Gentiles. Paul was also called to serve Gentiles, but Scripture never says the gospel to the nations became Paul’s domain alone. The gospel belongs to Christ, and Christ sent many servants, not one replacement.
This agrees fully with Jesus’ words: “One is your Teacher, the Christ, and you are all brethren” (Matthew 23:8, NKJV).
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at the end it will come to this;
Jhn 12:48 There is a judge for the one who rejects Me and does not receive My words: The word that I have spoken will judge him on the last day.
as for""Find the verses that you believe teach any other Apostle besides Paul (Rom to Philemon) has the Christ given authority to teach you Salvation, ps, I'd like to see those verses too :)"".
I have given you verses already and explained in full there fore I conclude you reject the words of Christ and I conclude your salvation could be in peril.
Here is again the text that explain who is who and proven by scripture and nor personal opinion ;
GOD our Father (>)= Jesus > the disciples > Paul.
as I wrote before;
The differences in authority given by Jesus (God) the 12 and Paul are Major. Jesus gave the Twelve a unique place that no one else received. He chose them while He was on earth. They walked with Him, heard His voice, and learned directly from Him. for mote than 3 years. After His resurrection, Jesus came to them and gave them the Holy Spirit in a very direct and personal way. Scripture says, “So Jesus said to them again, ‘Peace to you. As the Father has sent Me, I also send you.’ And when He had said this, He breathed on them, and said to them, ‘Receive the Holy Spirit.’” (John 20:21–22). This moment is important, because Jesus Himself breathed on them, just as God breathed life into Adam in the beginning.
Right after this, Jesus gave them authority that He did not give to everyone. He said, “If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven them; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained.” (John 20:23). This authority over sins was spoken only to the disciples who were with Him.
Earlier, during His ministry, Jesus had already given them power and authority. The Scripture says, “Then He called His twelve disciples together and gave them power and authority over all demons, and to cure diseases.” (Luke 9:1). This power came directly from Jesus. He also made it clear that this calling did not come from their own choice. He said, “You did not choose Me, but I chose you and appointed you that you should go and bear fruit, and that your fruit should remain.” (John 15:16).
Jesus also told them that they were given understanding that others did not have. He said, “But blessed are your eyes for they see, and your ears for they hear.” (Matthew 13:16). To Peter, speaking for the Twelve, Jesus gave authority connected to the Kingdom itself. He said, “And I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.” (Matthew 16:19).
Jesus also promised the Twelve a future role that belongs only to them. He said, “Assuredly I say to you, that in the regeneration, when the Son of Man sits on the throne of His glory, you who have followed Me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.” (Matthew 19:28). This promise is not given to later believers, but only to those who followed Him during His earthly walk.
This special place of the Twelve is also shown at the very end of Scripture, in the description of the New Jerusalem. John writes, “Now the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and on them were the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.” (Revelation 21:14). The eternal city itself carries their names. No other names are written on the foundations. This shows that their role is fixed forever in God’s plan.
When we compare this with Paul, the difference is clear from Scripture itself. Paul was not chosen during Jesus’ earthly ministry and did not walk with Him before the cross. Paul encountered Jesus later, through a vision. Scripture says, “Then he fell to the ground, and heard a voice saying to him, ‘Saul, Saul, why are you persecuting Me?’ And he said, ‘Who are You, Lord?’ Then the Lord said, ‘I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting. It is hard for you to kick against the goads.’” (Acts 9:4–5).
After his rebuke from Jesus, Paul did not receive the Holy Spirit by Jesus breathing on him. Instead, God sent another disciple to him. The Scripture says, “Then Ananias went his way and entered the house; and laying his hands on him he said, ‘Brother Saul, the Lord Jesus, who appeared to you on the road as you came, has sent me that you may receive your sight and be filled with the Holy Spirit.’ Immediately there fell from his eyes something like scales, and he received his sight at once; and he arose and was baptized.” (Acts 9:17–18).
Paul was given a mission, but not the same position as the Twelve. The Lord said, “But the Lord said to him, ‘Go, for he is a chosen vessel of Mine to bear My name before Gentiles, kings, and the children of Israel.’” (Acts 9:15). Paul was chosen as a vessel to carry the message, not as one of the Twelve who were given authority over sins, the keys of the Kingdom, promised thrones, and eternal foundations in the New Jerusalem.
Scripture also shows that Paul later went to the apostles, not that they went to him. He says, “Then after three years I went up to Jerusalem to see Peter, and remained with him fifteen days.” (Galatians 1:18). When Judas was replaced, Paul was not chosen. The Scripture says, “And they cast their lots, and the lot fell on Matthias. And he was numbered with the eleven apostles.” (Acts 1:26). This happened before Paul’s ministry began.
All of this shows, clearly and simply, that the Twelve received a special status directly from Jesus Himself. They were chosen in person, taught in person, received the Spirit directly from Him, were given authority over sins, entrusted with the keys of the Kingdom, promised thrones in the age to come, and have their names written forever on the foundations of the New Jerusalem. Paul was called later, through a vision, received the Spirit through another disciple, and was sent to preach, but he did not receive the same authority, position, or eternal promises that Jesus gave to the Twelve. This comes straight from Scripture, without adding or removing anything. @rvmb
How long will you ignore scripture,@rvmb ?
Putting Paul before Christ like you do is not the way.
at the end it will come to this;""There is a judge for the one who rejects Me and does not receive My words: The word that I have spoken will judge him on the last day.""Jhn 12:48
if you remove the words of Christ our Lord, the son of GOD One with GOD, you cannot understand what Paul truly said, I have told you. What you do from now on is on you completely. Putting paul before Christ is indeed idolatry as another well versed and knowledgeable member of this forum indicated to you as well.
mailmandan
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This is a dangerous teaching ,brother. It's not something that can be casually ignored. While there are disputes about minor issues like "pre-trb" or "post trib" this kind of teaching is on a whole other level. It must be challenged. Keep up the fight.
It is not a matter of difference. Scripture says He came to save sinners, not saints. I John 1:10, is this verse in your Bible? How about Rom 3:23?
What is pathetic is that you cannot even defend your own position. Where is your counter statement to the verses cited based on your opinion. You do not understand the English language either. You go so far outside of logic and reason that it makes you sound absurd and ridiculous.
I actually already did. All you do is deny any evidence and make dumb commits like that above without even presenting your opinion rationally. Your comments prove you don't understand your own position enough to counter any contrary statement.
Hebrews 10:26-31,
26For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, 27but a certain fearful expectation of judgment and fiery indignation that will devour the adversaries. 28 He that despises Moses’ law dies without mercy of two or three witnesses. 29How much worse punishment do you think will he deserve, the one having trampled upon the Son of God, and having esteemed ordinary the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and having insulted the Spirit of grace? 30For we know him that hath said, vengeance belonged unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people 31It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
26For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, 27but a certain fearful expectation of judgment and fiery indignation that will devour the adversaries. 28 He that despises Moses’ law dies without mercy of two or three witnesses. 29How much worse punishment do you think will he deserve, the one having trampled upon the Son of God, and having esteemed ordinary the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and having insulted the Spirit of grace? 30For we know him that hath said, vengeance belonged unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people 31It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
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So now you're changing the subject? Just keep in mind, I gave you scriptures, so if you wish to ignore them because you're a Pauline Christian, then fine.
""So now you're changing the subject?""
"" I gave you scriptures"" <<< from Paul ? Where ?
Try again, the request was :-
""List the verses from Paul that teach :-
He was worried about losing his Salvation.
A Saint today can become UNsaved :)""
""GOD our Father (>)= Jesus > the disciples > Paul.""
List the verses that teach Paul was a >>>>>>>Disciple<<<<<<
""Jesus gave the Twelve a unique place that no one else received"
They CONFIRMED the unique role of Paul - Gal 2:7-9, Acts 15:6-25 :)
""How long will you ignore scripture""
I don't twist it to suit a dogma :)
""Putting Paul before Christ like you do is not the way.""
Is that like you ignoring Acts 9:15, Rom 11:13, Rom 15:16 ?
""it was a typo I meant acts 15:7 and we discussed this before here it is again;""
Acts 15:7 "" a good while ago "" apparently 14-17 years DYOR
Acts 15:10 "NOW.." is something changing LY ? !!!
Acts 15:11 "".. we shall be saved, even as they."" see the change LY ? !!
"a good while ago " >>>>THEY were saved by WE, now WE as THEY.
Read and STUDY ALL of Acts 15:6-25, Gal 2:7-9 then come back & discuss it :)
This might also help you:-
1 Cor 9:27 is a lose salvation verse, really ??
Paul was worried about being DISQUALIFIED from teaching
Let me know GG if you want to dispute that first :)
I don't remember did you say 2 Timothy 3:16 does not apply to all the scriptures in the New Testament, because it was written before the New Testament was completed?
Please watch this short video let me know what you think, is the information useful or not?
Is it possible to crush an aluminum can and then restore it back to its original shape?
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And again I ask, why do you limit yourself to the writings of Paul, do any of the other Bible writers count?
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