An important mental health, news crisis

[Ronald Nolette]

@Ronald Nolette I would like to offer a prayer for you and your students, also I did not catch the school you attended for counseling.

This scripture references both prayer and fasting and is the manner in which we are to do those, I pray God directs you and guides you all to our lord Jesus the Christ and his love for us, and together he will lead us to his Father in Heaven and our loving happy heavenly home once again. To return honorably as best we are able and have been given of God.

Thank you for offering those prayers and verses. I know them well and have made them part of my life for decades.

You did not catch the name of the school was certified a Christian Counselor, for I did not toss it out.

But it was a 2 year accelerated course put on by the American Association of Christian Counselors. It was a course moderated by churches who were approved by them. Students had to meet requirements to be able to attend the weekly moderated sessions.

 

[Raccoon1010]

All you did here is show that many forms of mental and emotional illness have a physiological cause. These are not due to sin, but physical events that altered the normal functioning of the brain. We have the resources for many of these people to overcome the pohysical barriers and to live near normal lives.

But living in habitual sins (including drugs and alcohol) lead to a breakdown in the mental and emotional centers and lead to illnesses here. Wecan treat the symptoms but if the sin habit is not turned from, it is only time that the person , to quote Scripture,"The dog retyurns to its vomit."

We also know that living in emotional distress can bring physical illnesses. Living in stress (which is a sin due to lack of trust in god) leads to high blood pressure, cardiac issues, ulcers and bowel problems.

We must do what we can to lovingly lift these people to see the SOLUTION, who is Jesus and trust in Him.

As for demon possession, though very rare these days (though picking up) we must not pooh-pooh it for fear of offending. Love at times must be very offensive if we are to save many who are deep in dark issues.

I am not afraid to call a dope addict a junkie if it will snap him to seek the real help they need.

Thank you for your response.

Our doctrine is quite different. The word "habitual" comes from Asian and Indian spiritual areas like Hindu and Buddhist monasteries. The idea of inner peace and outer peace are areas that govern habit. Also phonetically the word habitat.

The eastern religions came up with that type of psychology which is the art of describing and labeling what any group determines to be an illness mentally. Which group could, for instance, be socialist psychology. Or for instance conservative ideology. Liberalism as well. They have different ideas of what is ill for a person. Psychologic warfare and propaganda included.

God has the healing out of psychology labels and illnesses. And that is regular church attendance and serving God and his children and following Jesus wherever he leads us. He has always said in scripture that he provides for those that desire of him. Which can be found in numerous scripture and ways.

Take for instance the idea of codependency. A term used for people, that for whatever reason, have been taught they need someone's help. Overly loving perhaps to what someone decides is abusive or undesirable. Much of the working world deals with that regularly. But they don't give up. Those codependency ideas can be forced onto a person or group, like a socialist forcing change onto a Christian. Many husband and wife and with family groups exist just fine as codependent and function also.

And I'm explaining all this for other readers also so that they may become knowledgeable on the subjects presented here.

The problem with demanding all habits out of your daily routine is that all order is removed from your life and the only thing left is randomness. Which is a contrast idea for examining a concept like habits.

Habits include eating three meals a day, drinking coffee or alcoholic beverages as they did in the biblical accounts. None of which are sins, unless God decides it is for you, mankind must seek God in all things and understandings. Having feasts also found within the bible, daily prayer and scripture also are habits. A habit is something performed in thought, feeling or works, or experienced in life routinely. Nothing wrong with habits unless you or someone doesn't like them and wants you to change. Of course sin is not good and also may not be habitual as is the case with sin in ways that breaks USA laws and where the criminal is difficult to track.

Many are forced to use medicines for their illnesses or infirmities and those are probably habitual. Some choose, as Paul gave witness and direction in the bible, as wine. Some elderly pethaps a glass per night, or nothing at all.

The idea of removing all habits, and finding self, healing of self to achieve inner peace and perhaps external peace is nice. But mankind cannot heal without God providing his life to them. But we as Christians interact with others routinely. And we might be met with criticism or harshness when proclaiming the gospel as the biblical accounts described. And many still are suffering in areas of the world necessary to bring God's loving message to them. And those interactions can hurt and disturb your "inner peace". Also external peace.

We look to our Lord and Savior for life and healing in faith and offerings of works meet for repentance.

Bottom line habits aren't sins, God defined what sins are.

Nothing wrong with stress, all God's lifeforms experience stress in surviving. Nothing wrong at all. Be strong have faith in God and believe he will provide for you. That is God's direction for us.

 

[Raccoon1010]

A kind of humorous and also troubling way to think about counceling to be safe is the "bridzilla effect". There are different bridzillas but for instance one that demands perfection and is never happy or the man can never match up to her expectations. She moves on to another victim.

That can also be counseling depending on the conditions and who or what group is providing it. Counseling can be used inappropriately or used against someone.

So please make sure the desired result your trying to achieve thru counseling is the way our loving, kind and caring, gentle Lord desires for you.

Also the word counsil in the scriptures should be looked at. As those areas the counselor writes down, while considered confidential, could be used against you in a court of law. Even if the counseling records don't relate to a criminal or civil court case, the records might sway a jury inappropriately or be applied inappropriately.

Counselors must obey the law, and sometimes the law will require those records and the counselors testimony.

Matthew 5:

20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

21 Ye have heard that it was said of them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:

22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

23 Therefore if thou bring thy gift to the altar, and there rememberest that thy brother hath ought against thee;

24 Leave there thy gift before the altar, and go thy way; first be reconciled to thy brother, and then come and offer thy gift.

25 Agree with thine adversary quickly, whiles thou art in the way with him; lest at any time the adversary deliver thee to the judge, and the judge deliver thee to the officer, and thou be cast into prison.

26 Verily I say unto thee, Thou shalt by no means come out thence, till thou hast paid the uttermost farthing.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Thank you for your response.

Our doctrine is quite different. The word "habitual" comes from Asian and Indian spiritual areas like Hindu and Buddhist monasteries. The idea of inner peace and outer peace are areas that govern habit. Also phonetically the word habitat.

The eastern religions came up with that type of psychology which is the art of describing and labeling what any group determines to be an illness mentally. Which group could, for instance, be socialist psychology. Or for instance conservative ideology. Liberalism as well. They have different ideas of what is ill for a person. Psychologic warfare and propaganda included.

God has the healing out of psychology labels and illnesses. And that is regular church attendance and serving God and his children and following Jesus wherever he leads us. He has always said in scripture that he provides for those that desire of him. Which can be found in numerous scripture and ways.

Take for instance the idea of codependency. A term used for people, that for whatever reason, have been taught they need someone's help. Overly loving perhaps to what someone decides is abusive or undesirable. Much of the working world deals with that regularly. But they don't give up. Those codependency ideas can be forced onto a person or group, like a socialist forcing change onto a Christian. Many husband and wife and with family groups exist just fine as codependent and function also.

And I'm explaining all this for other readers also so that they may become knowledgeable on the subjects presented here.

The problem with demanding all habits out of your daily routine is that all order is removed from your life and the only thing left is randomness. Which is a contrast idea for examining a concept like habits.

Habits include eating three meals a day, drinking coffee or alcoholic beverages as they did in the biblical accounts. None of which are sins, unless God decides it is for you, mankind must seek God in all things and understandings. Having feasts also found within the bible, daily prayer and scripture also are habits. A habit is something performed in thought, feeling or works, or experienced in life routinely. Nothing wrong with habits unless you or someone doesn't like them and wants you to change. Of course sin is not good and also may not be habitual as is the case with sin in ways that breaks USA laws and where the criminal is difficult to track.

Many are forced to use medicines for their illnesses or infirmities and those are probably habitual. Some choose, as Paul gave witness and direction in the bible, as wine. Some elderly pethaps a glass per night, or nothing at all.

The idea of removing all habits, and finding self, healing of self to achieve inner peace and perhaps external peace is nice. But mankind cannot heal without God providing his life to them. But we as Christians interact with others routinely. And we might be met with criticism or harshness when proclaiming the gospel as the biblical accounts described. And many still are suffering in areas of the world necessary to bring God's loving message to them. And those interactions can hurt and disturb your "inner peace". Also external peace.

We look to our Lord and Savior for life and healing in faith and offerings of works meet for repentance.

Bottom line habits aren't sins, God defined what sins are.

Nothing wrong with stress, all God's lifeforms experience stress in surviving. Nothing wrong at all. Be strong have faith in God and believe he will provide for you. That is God's direction for us.

You did a lot of rambling here which I do not know the purpose of.

We label things to understand and identify. Co-dependency is good if the one you are co-dependent on is benevolent, otherwise it is an evil.

Yes the cure for all mental and emotional illnesses not caused by physiological trauma is following Jesus.

 

[Raccoon1010]

You did a lot of rambling here which I do not know the purpose of.

If you lack comprehension of portions of those ideas and only see "rambling" then I think that is humbly entertaining myself.

I know of men who hear women that way. And women who hear men that way. "I have no idea what you just said" might follow the untrained ear. Counselling included.

And do you charge for your services any person or insurance, organization?

The Lord does not charge, but instead delights in his children honoring him and themselves properly.

But that is why I always recommend putting women with women in church. And priests with priests in the male areas.

Along those lines perhaps you understand the following ideas related to scripture:

When married only the spouse should counsel the other married spouse. That is how Jesus desires it to be. Bringing a third party into a marriage is unorthodox and unwise unless directed by God himself with his people.

Adam and Eve became one flesh and their descendants left their parents to become married.

A spouse that seeks councel outside the marriage has given marital affairs to others. And sought marital duties from another, in a way, giving herself or himself to another. God is able to heal marriages and God should be sought first, then spouse also included and not hurt that way as acts of betrayal as they might see it. "You don't want to be part of betrayal of the holy and sacred areas of marital affairs".

Some might abuse that privilege of marriage and honoring marriage together with equality of leadership and counsel one to another. And that is sad. Perhaps many abuse positions of authority like husband and wife equality and male female differences. Parenting also some might abuse. Working together for better or worse, til death do they part is better, forgiving and praying God guides us all. He desires all to return.

Men do not know how women are constructed nor how they think or feel as we are men. Emotional rambling included. Nor women understand men. We celebrate our differences.

Cheers!

 

[Ronald Nolette]

And do you charge for your services any person or insurance, organization?

The Lord does not charge, but instead delights in his children honoring him and themselves properly.

No I do not!

When married only the spouse should counsel the other married spouse. That is how Jesus desires it to be. Bringing a third party into a marriage is unorthodox and unwise unless directed by God himself with his people.

Adam and Eve became one flesh and their descendants left their parents to become married.

Sometime individual counseling is very necessary to set up joint counseling. A man should never counsel a woman behind closed solid doors or in a building unoccupied. The more others are nearby the better it is to avoid the appearance of evil and to avoid the potentila for moral temptation.

Some might abuse that privilege of marriage and honoring marriage together with equality of leadership and counsel one to another. And that is sad. Perhaps many abuse positions of authority like husband and wife equality and male female differences. Parenting also some might abuse. Working together for better or worse, til death do they part is better, forgiving and praying God guides us all. He desires all to return.

Men do not know how women are constructed nor how they think or feel as we are men. Emotional rambling included. Nor women understand men. We celebrate our differences.

There is no equality of leadership. Man is the head of the home. woman should be his trusted help meet. Ephesians 5 is the key!

A spouse that seeks councel outside the marriage has given marital affairs to others. And sought marital duties from another, in a way, giving herself or himself to another.

hogwash! Seeking help for problems in the marriage is wise! It can become what you allege, but a wise counselor will work to prevent that from even forming.

 

[Raccoon1010]

No I do not!

Sometime individual counseling is very necessary to set up joint counseling. A man should never counsel a woman behind closed solid doors or in a building unoccupied. The more others are nearby the better it is to avoid the appearance of evil and to avoid the potentila for moral temptation.

There is no equality of leadership. Man is the head of the home. woman should be his trusted help meet. Ephesians 5 is the key!

hogwash! Seeking help for problems in the marriage is wise! It can become what you allege, but a wise counselor will work to prevent that from even forming.

Our Lord is all knowing and wise. He desires you to do well when called or chosen, even if just desiring to get involved and serve at any level or duty. Even if just to help with carrying and lifting and cleaning.

We seek God first, then our spouse as is wise and intelligent, then the brethren or sisters of our Lord's children on all matters concerning duties of God's servants, humbly, not proud or arrogant.

The concept of "never meet alone with members of the opposite sex in church" is important. Usually a good church meets men groups together with women groups for open discussions that are organized. Aside from normal limited church functions that are short in duration involving helping someone in need, man or woman. God provides unless being foolish and not honest when helping members of the opposite sex.

But that may or may not be tempting anyways. Definitely unwise if honestly tempting. And elderly, widowed, children are ministered also sometimes in groups. The sick and afflicted as well, including mentally, emotionally, physically ill.

SO AS ALWAYS, AS ALSO DIRECTED IN THE BIBLE, GO IN PAIRS OF 2 OR MORE, FOR PROTECTION FROM ASAULTS, TEMPTATIONS, FALSE ACCUSATIONS, ETC. A WITNESS IS GOOD IF LAW ENFORCEMENT OR QUESTIONS OR ACCUSATIONS ARISE.

Hopefully in congregations we don't cross boundaries with members that are not ours to cross, like marital affairs when unwanted. Coveting is not wise if we are given ourselves from God so much, like wealth, possessions, authorities, family, spouse, and such.

Giving members are disturbing experience hopefully doesn't cause them to blame Christianity or God. We must consider that when in positions of authority in God's organized religions.

God's word is always for all to receive, unless they are sealed and sacred areas, like his holy places as in the days of Moses.

Cheers!

 

[Jack]

How do you determine mental illness from drug addicts?

 

[Raccoon1010]

How do you determine mental illness from drug addicts?

Good question, a good physician would in all honesty say, all people have some measure of mental illness that will vary day to day depending on interactions. Functioning in society, as a society type determines severity.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Our Lord is all knowing and wise. He desires you to do well when called or chosen, even if just desiring to get involved and serve at any level or duty. Even if just to help with carrying and lifting and cleaning.

We seek God first, then our spouse as is wise and intelligent, then the brethren or sisters of our Lord's children on all matters concerning duties of God's servants, humbly, not proud or arrogant.

The concept of "never meet alone with members of the opposite sex in church" is important. Usually a good church meets men groups together with women groups for open discussions that are organized. Aside from normal limited church functions that are short in duration involving helping someone in need, man or woman. God provides unless being foolish and not honest when helping members of the opposite sex.

But that may or may not be tempting anyways. Definitely unwise if honestly tempting. And elderly, widowed, children are ministered also sometimes in groups. The sick and afflicted as well, including mentally, emotionally, physically ill.

SO AS ALWAYS, AS ALSO DIRECTED IN THE BIBLE, GO IN PAIRS OF 2 OR MORE, FOR PROTECTION FROM ASAULTS, TEMPTATIONS, FALSE ACCUSATIONS, ETC. A WITNESS IS GOOD IF LAW ENFORCEMENT OR QUESTIONS OR ACCUSATIONS ARISE.

Hopefully in congregations we don't cross boundaries with members that are not ours to cross, like marital affairs when unwanted. Coveting is not wise if we are given ourselves from God so much, like wealth, possessions, authorities, family, spouse, and such.

Giving members are disturbing experience hopefully doesn't cause them to blame Christianity or God. We must consider that when in positions of authority in God's organized religions.

God's word is always for all to receive, unless they are sealed and sacred areas, like his holy places as in the days of Moses.

Cheers!

I hate to sound critical, but your responses are very hard to understand. Your grammar is atrocious.

 

[Raccoon1010]

I hate to sound critical, but your responses are very hard to understand. Your grammar is atrocious.

Intelligent thought and direction, or revelation from God follows grammar rules of the English language.

Sentence structure?

But I'm not sure that's the issue with comprehension.

Learning requires comprehension first. People in school learn rules and memorize and even take notes so they can study as comprehending a subject may take a considerable amount of time. Even with an adequate college or accredited university degree there still is ability to apply what is learned in real life. Some good schools provide some time for class application some do not.

God's counseling of his good hearted people is not a "practice" area like medical practices of doctors with nurses. People do get injured in life and God takes that very seriously as it hurts him and his people as I'm well aware of and I hear you are also.

Doctors and nurses take oaths for a reason, as do officers of the law, military and public officials of any level. US citizens as well.

God provides for his people and people honestly attempting to help God and his people from his counseling areas. What can be encountered in counseling cannot simply be learned at a school. Obviously God's healing is always required with so many divers conditions that happen in life with such unique and divers people, all with unique life experiences and unique souls.

And I like that about God, he knows each and every one of us and what we are in need of at any given time and in any situation. We call upon him and honor him with praise and worship for such great love, care and abilities he has and some of which he shares with us as gifts for his children. Even when we don't see him in our lives, he is always watching and counts the very hairs on our heads.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Intelligent thought and direction, or revelation from God follows grammar rules of the English language.

Sentence structure?

But I'm not sure that's the issue with comprehension.

Learning requires comprehension first. People in school learn rules and memorize and even take notes so they can study as comprehending a subject may take a considerable amount of time. Even with an adequate college or accredited university degree there still is ability to apply what is learned in real life. Some good schools provide some time for class application some do not.

God's counseling of his good hearted people is not a "practice" area like medical practices of doctors with nurses. People do get injured in life and God takes that very seriously as it hurts him and his people as I'm well aware of and I hear you are also.

Doctors and nurses take oaths for a reason, as do officers of the law, military and public officials of any level. US citizens as well.

God provides for his people and people honestly attempting to help God and his people from his counseling areas. What can be encountered in counseling cannot simply be learned at a school. Obviously God's healing is always required with so many divers conditions that happen in life with such unique and divers people, all with unique life experiences and unique souls.

And I like that about God, he knows each and every one of us and what we are in need of at any given time and in any situation. We call upon him and honor him with praise and worship for such great love, care and abilities he has and some of which he shares with us as gifts for his children. Even when we don't see him in our lives, he is always watching and counts the very hairs on our heads.

God follows grammar! He created it. You? Not so much.

I get the git of what you are saying, but your sentence structure is atrocious.