Apostle Paul's REAL Tongue Interpreter Teaching

[1stCenturyLady]

That is where you have to make up your mind about Acts 2.

Acts 2:6-8
6 Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language.
7 And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, "Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans?
8 And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?"
KJV

Acts 2:13
13 Others mocking said, These men are full of new wine.
KJV

Does this 13th verse seem like a disagreement with the above 6th & 7th verses?

If you do not recognize both Scripture examples as the Truth, then you will not really understand how the cloven tongue manifested on that day.




You still are leaving... the Acts 2 Scripture, even while you ADMIT what it says! Amazing! What you say is like speaking out of both sides of your mouth.

IF... everyone hears in their own language of birth, THAT MEANS THERE IS NO NEED FOR AN INTERPRETER! Do you see an interpreter mentioned there in Acts 2? No, you do not.

And your slander against me about English 101 won't work, only the stupid that would come here would buy such an idiotic slur, so that's how low you just stooped with that remark, yet another sign of having The Holy Spirit you think, huh?

Don't you understand? The Day of Pentecost was the bringing of the Spirit!!!! Everything that happened to God's people was SUPERnatural!!!!!

Tongues ALWAYS needs a supernatural interpretation. You must not have received the baptism of the Holy Spirit for you are understanding as only a natural human being. Read 1 Corinthians 2:9-16. You are verse 14. I am the all BUT 14. This is why you interpret Acts 2 the only way you can relate to it. And, you still need English 101. Acts 2:8 says nothing about speaking. It is about the HEARING

 

[Davy]

Don't you understand? The Day of Pentecost was the bringing of the Spirit!!!! Everything that happened to God's people was SUPERnatural!!!!!

So even Jesus' SUPERnatural miracles couldn't be understood, per your view.

What a wild and unbridled way of thinking that is.

You are starting to bring up memories of past readings of primitive pagan practices that I had studied about when I was younger, like in The Golden Bough. They worshiped the miracles and supernatural workings, and didn't care who was actually behind it.

You might want to check who you are listening to...

Rev 16:13-14
13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
KJV

1 Kings 22:23
23 Now therefore, behold, the LORD hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these thy prophets, and the LORD hath spoken evil concerning thee.
KJV

2 Cor 11:13-14
13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
KJV

1 Tim 4:1
4 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
KJV

Matt 24:24
24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
KJV

Rev 13:13
13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
KJV

 

[1stCenturyLady]

So even Jesus' SUPERnatural miracles couldn't be understood, per your view.

You seem to be willfully misunderstanding. The ONLY gift given to us by the Spirit that cannot be understood naturally was tongues. That is why it is the only gift that is called a SIGN. But a sign to unbelievers. Do you know why?

I'll come back later and see if you know. I hope so.

 

[Davy]

You seem to be willfully misunderstanding.

Not me, it's actually YOU that is not willing to understand about the cloven tongue.

Haven't you read your Old Testament history? What was the tower of Babel about, and how did God deal with it?

And you apparently never read the following Old Testament prophecy either...

Zeph 3:8-9
8 Therefore wait ye upon Me, saith the LORD, until the day that I rise up to the prey: for My determination is to gather the nations, that I may assemble the kingdoms, to pour upon them Mine indignation, even all My fierce anger: for all the earth shall be devoured with the fire of My jealousy.
9 For then will I turn to the people a pure language, that they may all call upon the name of the LORD, to serve Him with one consent.
KJV

Verse 8 above is about the very last day of this present world when Christ's future 2nd coming to gather His saints will happen. That is when God will gather the kings of this world and the armies that come upon Jerusalem out of the northern quarters, and then Jesus will appear coming in the clouds with His army from Heaven.

Then... is when God is going to return US ALL back to the one language which ALL nations once spoke prior to the tower of Babel event, which was when God confused that one language, dividing it into many languages, and thus separating the nations from joining together again (until now, at the end).

Therefore, the 'cloven tongue' of Pentecost is a sign for the non-believer, like Paul said, not for the believer. So if a preacher goes to a foreign people and does not speak their language, and needs an interpreter for those people, and the interpreter does not show, and the preacher goes ahead and prays God will cause the people to hear, then THAT is when the 'cloven tongue' will manifest as known languages of those peoples present, JUST LIKE ON PENTECOST.

And the Biblical FACT... that Acts 2, per the Greek manuscripts, contains an alternation showing just what tongue was spoken, that is a Holy Spirit marking letting us know HOW the True cloven tongue manifests...

a. Greek glossa
a. glossa

b. dialektos​

b. dialektos​

a. glossa
a. glossa

That means the various peoples present at Pentecost heard the Apostles speak in the people's 'own' dialects of the languages of their birth.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

The ONLY gift given to us by the Spirit that cannot be understood naturally was tongues. That is why it is the only gift that is called a SIGN. But a sign to unbelievers. Do you know why?

@Davy, if we are going to have a meaningful conversation you have to answer my questions too. Here again. Why is the only gift that is any kind of sign is tongues a SIGN TO THE UNBELIEVER. Stop deleting this and answer me. Or just admit you don't know.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

I'll say it again...

I answered your question very well, thank you. BUT... you REFUSED to go check out the Bible Scripture evidence that I have said to you multiple, multiple... times. ACTS 2 is our example of HOW the TRUE CLOVEN TONGUE manifests.
And if you won't listen to what Acts 2 says as written, neither will you be following what The Holy Spirit tries to show you.

Davy, I also decided to go back to Acts 2 that you take to be the law on tongues, even though you are misunderstanding that the emphasis from the devout Jew listeners was on their individual hearing. When you say "cloven tongues" are you saying they were devilish? What exactly is your understanding of the source of the gift of tongues?

Also, did you realize their are two types of tongues that sound the same? It has to do with the Spirit's direction. Tongues TO God, as prayer or praise, praying in the Spirit, that is found in Mark 16:16-18 and no interpretation is necessary. But also, tongues FROM God to us that MUST be interpreted. However, the gift of interpretation of tongues can understand tongues of prayer at times. That is what I believe happened on the Day of Pentecost.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

That means the various peoples present at Pentecost heard the Apostles speak in the people's 'own' dialects of the languages of their birth.

You are right. They HEARD all of the 120 and Apostles speaking each one's own languages, but to the Gentiles it just sounded like gibberish, as if they were drunk. They could have actually been speaking the tongues of angels, but to each one there what they HEARD was their own language. That is the gift of interpretation of tongues and how that also works today!

Maybe this will help some people reading this to understand. When I lived in Arizona a group of teenagers brought one of their unsaved high school friends to youth night at our church and they prayed for her. They were praying in tongues, but what she HEARD was English! That is exactly like it was on the Day of Pentecost! And that is exactly how it is described in Acts 2. Especially verse 8. 8 And how is it that we hear, each in our own language in which we were born? Each person heard them speak their own language! Even Dr. Sproul taught that, may he rest in peace.

 

[Davy]

@Davy, if we are going to have a meaningful conversation you have to answer my questions too. Here again. Why is the only gift that is any kind of sign is tongues a SIGN TO THE UNBELIEVER. Stop deleting this and answer me. Or just admit you don't know.

Easy, because like as written in Acts 2, when the various peoples heard THEIR OWN LANGUAGES, and knew the Apostles were Galileans, it made them wonder how the Apostles had learned all their different languages, and even marveled at how 'accurate' the Apostles spoke their own languages, even the very dialects of those languages. THAT... is what the miracle of the cloven tongue of Pentecost is about.

But YOU... have been wrongly taught that the 'gibberish' speech no one understands (except one who claims to interpret that gibberish), is what those peoples on Pentecost heard the Apostles speak, which goes directly against that written Acts 2 Scripture.

 

[Davy]

Davy, I also decided to go back to Acts 2 that you take to be the law on tongues, even though you are misunderstanding that the emphasis from the devout Jew listeners was on their individual hearing. When you say "cloven tongues" are you saying they were devilish? What exactly is your understanding of the source of the gift of tongues?

I NEVER... said "cloven tongues" plural. I said 'cloven tongue', SINGULAR, and it matters.

ALL... the different known languages of the world are all wrapped up in that SINGULAR 'cloven tongue' of Pentecost, which is about the ORIGINAL TONGUE that all nations once spoke. Don't you recall I mentioned to you about the Genesis tower of Babel event when God confused that SINGULAR tongue that all peoples once spoke? Is The Old Testament Scripture taboo to you or something?

Also, did you realize their are two types of tongues that sound the same? It has to do with the Spirit's direction. Tongues TO God, as prayer or praise, praying in the Spirit, that is found in Mark 16:16-18 and no interpretation is necessary. But also, tongues FROM God to us that MUST be interpreted. However, the gift of interpretation of tongues can understand tongues of prayer at times. That is what I believe happened on the Day of Pentecost.

Why do you keep trying... to throw that above idea out, when it is a MISINTERPRETATION of what Paul said in 1 Corinthians 13 & 14...

1 Cor 13:1
13 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.
KJV

1 Cor 14:2
2 For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.
KJV

Paul is NOT... pointing to some 'gibberish' with the above idea.

So based on what Genesis 11:9, Zephaniah 3, and Acts 2 teaches us about the SINGULAR tongue that all nations once spoke, which is that cloven tongue of Pentecost, what would Paul's "tongues of men and angels" be?

Tongues of men Paul is pointing to is simple; it's about KNOWN languages of the world. And per those Scripture witnesses I mentioned, Paul's idea of tongues of angels is about the cloven tongue that manifested HOW at Pentecost??

 

[Davy]

You are right. They HEARD all of the 120 and Apostles speaking each one's own languages, but to the Gentiles it just sounded like gibberish, as if they were drunk.

Why... do you keep trying to apply a CROWBAR into God's Word to force it to say something that is NOT written there?

Acts 2 does NOT say that ONLY the Jews present at Pentecost heard their own dialects of their born languages, while the Gentiles that were present instead heard 'gibberish'. Claiming that is ADDING to God's written Word.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

Easy, because like as written in Acts 2, when the various peoples heard THEIR OWN LANGUAGES, and knew the Apostles were Galileans, it made them wonder how the Apostles had learned all their different languages, and even marveled at how 'accurate' the Apostles spoke their own languages, even the very dialects of those languages. THAT... is what the miracle of the cloven tongue of Pentecost is about.

But YOU... have been wrongly taught that the 'gibberish' speech no one understands (except one who claims to interpret that gibberish), is what those peoples on Pentecost heard the Apostles speak, which goes directly against that written Acts 2 Scripture.

If 1 Corinthians 14:22 was so the unbelievers could understand tongues, why in verse 23 would they call them crazy?

 

[1stCenturyLady]

Why... do you keep trying to apply a CROWBAR into God's Word to force it to say something that is NOT written there?

Acts 2 does NOT say that ONLY the Jews present at Pentecost heard their own dialects of their born languages, while the Gentiles that were present instead heard 'gibberish'. Claiming that is ADDING to God's written Word.

But it IS written!!! You just can't read! Read Acts 2:8. What their question was not on the speaking, but "8 And how is it that we hear, each in our own language in which we were born? It was because the Holy Spirit drew them to Christ with one of His gifts. The interpretation of tongues. It was the drunk Gentiles that would have used a word such as "gibberish" which proves 1 Corinthians 14:22 is for you. A sign to the unbeliever.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

I NEVER... said "cloven tongues" plural. I said 'cloven tongue', SINGULAR, and it matters.

ALL... the different known languages of the world are all wrapped up in that SINGULAR 'cloven tongue' of Pentecost, which is about the ORIGINAL TONGUE that all nations once spoke. Don't you recall I mentioned to you about the Genesis tower of Babel event when God confused that SINGULAR tongue that all peoples once spoke? Is The Old Testament Scripture taboo to you or something?




Why do you keep trying... to throw that above idea out, when it is a MISINTERPRETATION of what Paul said in 1 Corinthians 13 & 14...

1 Cor 13:1
13 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.
KJV

1 Cor 14:2
2 For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.
KJV

Paul is NOT... pointing to some 'gibberish' with the above idea.

So based on what Genesis 11:9, Zephaniah 3, and Acts 2 teaches us about the SINGULAR tongue that all nations once spoke, which is that cloven tongue of Pentecost, what would Paul's "tongues of men and angels" be?

Tongues of men Paul is pointing to is simple; it's about KNOWN languages of the world. And per those Scripture witnesses I mentioned, Paul's idea of tongues of angels is about the cloven tongue that manifested HOW at Pentecost??

What you call "gibberish" may be someone's language that you've just never heard before. That's why the Gentiles thought they were drunk on the Day of Pentecost. As I said before, you calling some tongues "gibberish" is the heart of an unbeliever and why tongues is a sign to you. It is a negative sign, not a positive sign, like the sign of Jesus: a sign spoken against.

 

[Davy]

If 1 Corinthians 14:22 was so the unbelievers could understand tongues, why in verse 23 would they call them crazy?

Once again, your mind is in gear with the falseness you have been taught about the cloven tongue, because Apostle Paul in 1 Corinthians 12-14 was NOT talking about the cloven tongue of Pentecost. He was talking about KNOWN LANGUAGES of the world, INCLUDING IN THAT 1 COR.14:23 verse you mention...

1 Cor 14:23
23 If therefore the whole church be come together into one place, and all speak with tongues, and there come in those that are unlearned, or unbelievers, will they not say that ye are mad?
KJV

I'm surprised no one has brought that above phrase "those that are unlearned" to your attention. And it does refer in the Greek to one who is uneducated. Thus Paul is speaking of known languages with that unlearned idea, because the true cloven tongue of Pentecost IS NOT LEARNED!

Now then, rightly understanding that above verse, the correct... interpretation is... if all the members in a Church speak a different language all the same time, THAT is what would be madness. And if NEW potential unbelievers came in and saw that, they indeed would think that whole Church was mad! That is what Paul is saying there, referring to KNOWN LANGUAGES, and not the cloven tongue of Pentecost.

FURTHERMORE... the 1 Corinthians 12 & 13 Chapters ALSO have references to shown Paul's subject is KNOWN LANGUAGES OF THE WORLD, and NOT the cloven tongue of Pentecost...

1 Cor 12:6-10
6 And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all.
7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.
8 For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;
9 To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;
10 To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:
KJV

Per the Greek "kinds of tongues" means KNOWN LANGUAGES, plural. The cloven tongue is but ONE tongue and goes out AS known languages to those present (per Acts 2), so there is a difference. Some believers are given the gift of learning foreign languages, especially as it was like with Apostle Paul who spoke several different 'known' languages of the world. Paul was even familiar with the writings of the Greek philosophers.

1 Cor 12:28
28 And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.
KJV

Once again, that is NOT about the cloven tongue. It is about various KNOWN LANGUAGES of the world.


Here's a verse by Apostle Paul that goes deeper, but not if one is familiar with what God promised He will return all to speaking again in final per Zephaniah 3. And this proves again that Apostle Paul was speaking of KNOWN LANGUAGES is what is going to go away and be no more...

1 Cor 13:8
8 Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.
KJV

Some brethren even go so far as to wrongly interpret that above verse like it means the cloven tongue of Pentecost was ONLY for the time of the early Church, like in the Apostle's days, and then it has now ceased.

No, that's not what Paul is saying there. Paul is saying that today's KNOWN LANGUAGES of this present world, will eventually cease and be no more. How's that? It will be because like God promised in Zephaniah 3:9 that He will return us all to speaking the one tongue, so that we all may call upon Him with one consent.

Zeph 3:8-9
8 Therefore wait ye upon Me, saith the LORD, until the day that I rise up to the prey: for My determination is to gather the nations, that I may assemble the kingdoms, to pour upon them Mine indignation, even all My fierce anger: for all the earth shall be devoured with the fire of My jealousy.

9 For then will I turn to the people a pure language, that they may all call upon the name of the LORD, to serve Him with one consent.
KJV

Thus the cloven tongue, which represents the one tongue that ALL peoples once spoke prior to the tower of Babel event, is going to return to all peoples, and all the various known languages of this world are going to cease when that happens. That is the proper interpretation of that 1 Corinthians 13:8 verse, which again shows Paul was speaking of known languages, and not a gibberish tongue.

Also here in 1 Corinthians 14, IF... the actual written Bible Scripture is heeded, it becomes clear that Paul is speaking of KNOWN LANGUAGES of the world, and not a gibberish speech...

1 Cor 14:2-6
2 For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.

Paul is talking about someone who speaks a foreign language those present do not understand, that's all. It is not about the cloven tongue, nor the gibberish some try to claim is the cloven tongue.

Some speaking a foreign language that no one present knows simply means only the person speaking it will understand. So how is it, that IF... Paul was actually talking about the cloven tongue, then why would someone else in the Church need to interpret, why does the speaker of the gibberish need an interpreter if this is about the cloven tongue? It is not about the cloven tongue. It is about known languages of the world which DOES need an interpreter who understands those languages.

3 But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort.

There's another verse the gibberish churches like to confuse. To prophesy means to TEACH with KNOWN LANGUAGES, with words easy to understand.

That clearly is NOT about a gibberish speech, nor the cloven tongue. But the gibberish churches like to claim their speaking gibberish as the cloven tongue, and requires that someone in the church interpret, is NOT about words easy to understand.

4 He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.

How does one edify the Church Paul says there? With speaking known words that edify, which is what real prophesying is.

5 I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.
KJV

Paul is talking about known languages, as he spoke several languages of the world. And once again, per Acts 2, the TRUE cloven tongue of Pentecost DID NOT NEED AN INTERPRETER.

 

[Davy]

But it IS written!!! You just can't read! Read Acts 2:8. What their question was not on the speaking, but "8 And how is it that we hear, each in our own language in which we were born? It was because the Holy Spirit drew them to Christ with one of His gifts. The interpretation of tongues. It was the drunk Gentiles that would have used a word such as "gibberish" which proves 1 Corinthians 14:22 is for you. A sign to the unbeliever.

I can read just... FINE, thank you!

YOU... are the one REFUSING to read and HEED that Acts 2 Scripture, which DOES NOT SHOW that only Gentiles were present were the ones who could not understand in their own language. You have been wrongly taught to ADD THAT IDEA into the Acts 2 Scripture, otherwise you would have proven it is there by quoting the Scripture by now.

So now you are CLEARLY TELLING A LIE, showing you are not to be trusted.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

I can read just... FINE, thank you!

YOU... are the one REFUSING to read and HEED that Acts 2 Scripture, which DOES NOT SHOW that only Gentiles were present were the ones who could not understand in their own language. You have been wrongly taught to ADD THAT IDEA into the Acts 2 Scripture, otherwise you would have proven it is there by quoting the Scripture by now.

So now you are CLEARLY TELLING A LIE, showing you are not to be trusted.

What does 1 Corinthians 14:2 mean to you that makes you believe that the devout Jews on the Day of Pentecost could understand the gift of tongues spoken by the apostles and the 120?
2 For he who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God, for no one understands him; however, in the spirit he speaks mysteries.

There is only one way they could understand and it is also a gift of the Holy Spirit. What is it? Acts 2:8 gives you a clue.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

10 To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:

What is the gift of interpretation of tongues? Is it a natural understanding? Or a supernatural understanding?

 

[1stCenturyLady]

Paul is talking about known languages, as he spoke several languages of the world. And once again, per Acts 2, the TRUE cloven tongue of Pentecost DID NOT NEED AN INTERPRETER.

When I was writing my book on tongues I asked God many questions, and I understood Acts 2 just like you do, except I couldn't get past 1 Corinthians 14:2 like you do believing it to be different than Acts 2. So I asked God to explain how come the Jews could understand the tongues spoken, but 1 Corinthians 14:2 says no man can understand tongues, only God. I finally went to bed and early the next morning as I just began to awaken God spoke one word - "interpretation."

I know you believe the voice I hear is Satan, but I know God's voice, and Satan can't even get near me because I keep God's word, 1 John 5:18. All of it!

 

[Davy]

What does 1 Corinthians 14:2 mean to you that makes you believe that the devout Jews on the Day of Pentecost could understand the gift of tongues spoken by the apostles and the 120?
2 For he who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God, for no one understands him; however, in the spirit he speaks mysteries.

There is only one way they could understand and it is also a gift of the Holy Spirit. What is it? Acts 2:8 gives you a clue.

You believe in the 'gibberish' speech as the cloven tongue of Pentecost all you want, if you want to remain deceived. Acts 2 is your MEASURE from GOD. And clearly you don't care what He says, but would rather believe men.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

You believe in the 'gibberish' speech as the cloven tongue of Pentecost all you want, if you want to remain deceived. Acts 2 is your MEASURE from GOD. And clearly you don't care what He says, but would rather believe men.

I don't believe men. I think I told you I asked God, and He answered me. He spoke one word, "interpretation" and revealed He gave the devout Jews on the Day of Pentecost the gift of interpretation of tongues. What about that troubles you?

You may have told me, but tell me your interpretation of 1 Cor. 14:2. How did the devout Jews understand those in Acts 2, when it is written that "no one understands." 2 For he who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God, for no one understands him; however, in the spirit he speaks mysteries. Did you say this is a different kind of tongues?

It is funny that it has been said that when a person who only speaks English hears someone who only speaks Chinese, it sounds like "gibberish," and English to a Chinese person sounds like "dogs barking."