Why doesn't your "whole Bible view" include Universalism?

[amigo de christo]

the being you call satan doesnt exist.
perish means ceasing to exist - dust you are and dust you will return!
As I said if you don't understand the problem how can you preach Jesus?

err
what on earth is this you speak of my friend .
Satan dont exist . Really .
Something has went wrong in your mind my friend .
Satan exists .
As does a whole mess of demons .
But we fear not them , FOR THE LORD is with the sheep .
It seems its you that way way overthought something . Lets back that truck way up and fast .
Something went wrong .

 

[Hiddenthings]

err
what on earth is this you speak of my friend .
Satan dont exist . Really .
Something has went wrong in your mind my friend .
Satan exists .
As does a whole mess of demons .
But we fear not them , FOR THE LORD is with the sheep .
It seems its you that way way overthought something . Lets back that truck way up and fast .
Something went wrong .

Teach me what you think Genesis 3:1 says and lets see how you go.

 

[amigo de christo]

Teach me what you think Genesis 3:1 says and lets see how you go.

You learned some odd things my friend .
And i aint about to go down that rabbit trail . No wonder folks get so messed up .
Always listening to some teacher teaching what he ought not be a teaching .

 

[Hiddenthings]

You learned some odd things my friend .
And i aint about to go down that rabbit trail . No wonder folks get so messed up .
Always listening to some teacher teaching what he ought not be a teaching .

It’s remarkable how some Christians confidently assert something, but then when you actually read Genesis 3:1, it’s clear that it doesn’t say that, and suddenly their entire reasoning comes into question.

Why did God make a creature more cunning and with voice?

Easy question for you to answer.

 

[Jack]

The serpent of Gen 3:1 is clearly the Devil!

Revelation 20:2
2 He laid hold of the dragon, that serpent of old, who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years;

 

[St. SteVen]

Rev 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Same people one chapter later -

Rev 22:15 Outside are the dogs and sorcerers and the sexually immoral and murderers and idolaters, and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.

They are still pretty much alive.

Meaning second death means the same as the first death A&E faced, separation from the presence of the Lord.

Give it a thought.

Is the Second Death the End? - (nope)

Thanks for this brilliant post from @ProDeo "Rev 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death. Same...

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[amigo de christo]

The serpent of Gen 3:1 is clearly the Devil!

Revelation 20:2
2 He laid hold of the dragon, that serpent of old, who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years;

There are people who now teach that satan does not exist .
As if JESUS was talking to himself in the desert
and shewing himself all those kingdoms in an instant .
People believe the oddest fables these days my friend .
I mean if satan dont exist
THEN WHO was CHRIST talking to in the desert .
And who was it that shewed him ALL the kingdoms of the world in an instant .
Exactly .

 

[Marvelloustime]

There are people who now teach that satan does not exist .
As if JESUS was talking to himself in the desert
and shewing himself all those kingdoms in an instant .
People believe the oddest fables these days my friend .
I mean if satan dont exist
THEN WHO was CHRIST talking to in the desert .
And who was it that shewed him ALL the kingdoms of the world in an instant .
Exactly .

@amigo de christo

 

[Jack]

There are people who now teach that satan does not exist .

And Satan LOVES their doctrine!

As if JESUS was talking to himself in the desert
and shewing himself all those kingdoms in an instant .
People believe the oddest fables these days my friend .
I mean if satan dont exist
THEN WHO was CHRIST talking to in the desert .
And who was it that shewed him ALL the kingdoms of the world in an instant .
Exactly .

 

[St. SteVen]

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Religion can be a barrier to a direct relationship with God.

Too many prefer to trust religion to tell them about God and what He wants from them. In fact, in some cases, religion becomes a replacement for God. The "religious" relinquish their direct relationship with God (probably due to fear) in favor of a step-by-step formula provided by religious...

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[Taken]

That's a different issue.

I'm talking about recognizing all three biblical doctrines of the final judgement.

- Damnationism (forever burning hell)
- Annihilationism (complete destruction of the wicked)
- Christian Universalism (Ultimate Redemption of humankind)

All three views are biblical and contradictory.

Deep subject.
Scripture to the Surprise and Denial of some…absolutely Does contain… True Contradictions.

All Scripture is True.
The “contradictions” are embedded, IN the “Results” of every Individuals “FREEWILL” election/choices.

IF / THEN… is the Basic Constant IN Scripture.

IF “what”…THEN “what”.
IF NOT “what”…THEN NOT “what.”

Damnation…a Sentence?
Purpose…Suffer?
The Sentence…a Punishment?
The Punishment…Length Forever?
Realm / World Punishment …carried out?
Of “What” exactly?
* natural body of man?
* soul of a man?
* natural spirit of man?

Can A body without Life suffer?
Can A soul without Life suffer?
Can A spirit without Life suffer?

* What is the (natural) Life of the body?
Blood
* What is the Life of a soul?
Gods Breath
* What is the (natural) Life of the spirit?
Heartful Truth (not carnal minded truth)

Can “a body” become “damned”…?
Punished “forever”? No.
Why? God requires, its Blood Life Death.
(Gen 9:5)
Can “a body” be separated from God “forever”? Yes.
Does a “lifeless body” suffer, feel, aware separation from God? No.
(Ecc 9:5)

Can “a soul” become “damned”? Yes.
Punished “forever”? No.
Why?
The “soul” belongs to God.
The Life “in the “soul” IS Gods Breath.
God “IS” Spirit… so Also IS Everything “Spirit”… regarding God…( His word, being, power, etc.) ie Essence…ie Lord God Almighty.
* body is from dust, returns to dust.
* soul is from God.

Either Vessel Can / Shall … without LiFE…DIE.
Either Vessel Can Become “Destroyed”.
Destroyed? The “matter” / the once recognizable shape, form, essence, no longer (without Life) recognizable.

(Understanding…
the body is a vessel, that has Blood Life.
the soul is a vessel, that has Gods breath (spirit of Life)…)

Natural “spirit” of man…
Natural Truth in his Heart.
(A natural man… born of a natural mans SEED)
Super natural “spirit of man”…?
( A natural man… whose “spirit” ( Truth in his heart) has received Gods Circumcision of the mans Heart and Received the Spirit of Gods Truth within such man. )
Such “spirit”… no longer “subject to”;
Death-
Punishment-
Damnation- separation from God
Gods Anger-
Wrath-
… IS “subject to” correction
… IS “subject to” receive Gods “understanding of His Word”
… IS “subject to” Forever Life WITH God
.…IS “subject to” a “wholeness” forever new living body, forever living soul, forever living spirit ( born of Gods Seed.
…”IS” subject to “future” fruition, to SEE God AS He IS.

- Damnationism (forever burning hell)
- Annihilationism (complete destruction of the wicked)
- Christian Universalism (Ultimate Redemption of humankind)

Deep and often a confusing, generic topic.

Those three things… ARE “elements” of a Broad Teaching… which such “Standing alone Topics can Broadly mean Different things to Different individuals”…

Nothing “dead / lifeless suffers”

Burning IN Hell Forever… is Suffering…
And only applies to THAT Which Can / Shall “Live” Forever.

Damnation-
Only Spirits Live Forever.
God IS a Spirit. (And HAS spirits)
Angels (holy and fallen) ARE spirits.
Mankind HAS a (natural) spirit, ie Heartful Truth… subject to Death.
Mankind Having Received Gods SEED, a new, a new spirit… is a mans “spirit” no longer “subject to death”…. Nor “subject to the Separation from God, Nor Damnation in Hell.

Annihilation-
Is the “destruction” of “Vessels”…that such “vessels” ONCE HAD Life in such Vessel.
Regarding mankind…
* body (vessel) without Life (blood), returns to dust, the vessel destroyed.
* soul (vessel) without Life (Gods breath), returns to…? (Can’t say, I have never seen what A soul looks like).
* spirit ( truth ) in a man heart… becomes dead with the body…. IF a man Rejected Gods Offering of Gods Truth.

Certainly is taught… God has the power and will destroy… Bodys and Souls (vessels of mankind)…
WHO… IF… such man Rejects Gods Offering, which I have no Doubt.

Matt: 10:
[28] And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

Universalism-(appears to teach… God WILL / SHALL) “save ALL of Mankind”.

IF that be such teaching… That is False.

IF Universalism Teaches…
God Has PAID FOR every humans Salvation…
God Has OFFERED every human Salvation…
THAT IS TRUE.

THAT God HAS “Given” every Human Salvation.
That IS False.

THAT God Desires EVERY Human to BECOME Made Saved.
That IS True.

THAT God WILL / SAVE ALL Humans, Because He has the Power TO Do So.
That IS False.

Receipt of Salvation UNTO (given) a human, Requires the Acceptance / Agreement of the individual TO Accept / Agree With Gods Terms…

Gods Terms Requires an Individuals Heartful Belief… IN God…and Gods Word…
When the man is Alive in his natural body…
And at the specific Time (such Belief, As the mans body is dying.).

Any man…(whose experience IS ^^^ such)…
Matters Not… IF:
he lived his whole mortal life…a liar, cheater, thief, anti-god promoter, anti-Christ advocate….blah, blah…
God Will Forgive, a True “Heartful” Believer, and Save his soul.

A human, who is bodily about to die…without True Heartful Belief IN God, IN His Word… SHALL Not “Receive” God Forgiveness OR Salvation…
Because the individual “Rejected Taking His Offered Gift.”

Such “of those Three Terms” can be “surface puzzling” without “context”.

Inanutshell… what God Offers, (Gift of Salvation), IS Time Marked To Agree to Gods Terms, Heartful Belief), Before a bodily Death…
And Receive the Gift After an accounted Bodily Death.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Behold]

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Religion can be a barrier to a direct relationship with God.

Too many prefer to trust religion to tell them about God and what He wants from them. In fact, in some cases, religion becomes a replacement for God. The "religious" relinquish their direct relationship with God (probably due to fear) in favor of a step-by-step formula provided by religious...

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Reader,

Religion is always a barrier between God and man.
Why?
Its because Religion teaches that there are many Paths to God, and Jesus said that there is only ONE< and He is ""the only WAY.""

John 14:6

Religion is man made........Its always man trying to reach God, or become like God based on Man's VAIN concepts regarding how He is to cause it.....and by self effort try to achieve it.

Christianity is not a Religion.
Christianity is God coming to this earth to offer Himself wrapped in human flesh, as the eternal sacrifice for SIN.
And who needs this Sacrifice ? = Everyone, as "All have sinned". "there is none righteous, no not one".

Now the sin offering, who Is Jesus.... HIS SACRIFICE of HIMSELF is the only FORGIVENESS for your sin......however, it does not cause your Salvation.
So, following the forgiveness, God then establishes your Salvaiton by giving you His Righteousness, as THIS is the reason a person is become a Christian. The person has received from God ... "imputed righteousness"......as "The Gift of Righteousness".

The forgiven SINNER, has now become....."THE righteousness of GOD........in Christ"...

A.) "So now being justified by faith we have peace with God"

Now there is a person on this forum "Episkapos" who teaches that you can't have God's righteousness, you have to do it yourself.
So, thats a "doctrine of devils", (Hebrews 13:9 - KJV) and He loves to play that part on this forum.
Its his ministry., according to his THREADS and POSTS and Videos.

Listen,
The heart of the Gospel is God's Righteousness being given to the SINNER,. as a "GIFT".... as without it, you can't become "one with God", and you can't go to Heaven, unless you are joined to God spiritually as "IN CHRIST">....."one with God".
= Thats what it means to be "BORN Again".
You have to receive fron God...the GIFT... = "the imputed righteousness of Christ" .....before you DIE, or you will leave this earth separated from God's Spirit, unforgiven, and this can't be resolved for you after you die.

 

[Hiddenthings]

Here's something I find interesting.

My views on Ultimate Redemption (Universalism) are typically dismissed for not aligning with "a whole Bible view".
Seems that saw should cut both ways.

What happens if your "a whole Bible view" includes my scriptures rather than dismisses them? - Then what?

Romans 5:15-19 NIV
But the gift is not like the trespass.
For if the many died by the trespass of the one man,
how much more did God’s grace and the gift that came by
the grace of the one man, Jesus Christ, overflow to the many!
16 Nor can the gift of God be compared with the result of one man’s sin:
The judgment followed one sin and brought condemnation,
but the gift followed many trespasses and brought justification.
17 For if, by the trespass of the one man, death reigned through that one man,
how much more will those who receive God’s abundant provision of grace and of
the gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man, Jesus Christ!
18 Consequently, just as one trespass resulted in condemnation for all people,
so also one righteous act resulted in justification and life for all people.
19 For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners,
so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous.

1 Corinthians 15:22
For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive.

Titus 2:11 ESV
For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation for all people,

1 John 2:2 NIV
He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.

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All people can be saved but not all people will be saved.

Your "cherry picking" antics will not change this reality and only hide from you the depth of His Wisdom in Christ Jesus.

 

[Jack]

All people can be saved but not all people will be saved.

Your "cherry picking" antics will not change this reality and only hide from you the depth of His Wisdom in Christ Jesus.

Amen! That's STV!

 

[amigo de christo]

All people can be saved but not all people will be saved.

Your "cherry picking" antics will not change this reality and only hide from you the depth of His Wisdom in Christ Jesus.

stand firm .........................
stand steady and stand firm on the absolute dire necessity to have had to BELEIVE ON JESUS the CHRIST .
Many do the work and the working of anti christs now and another gospel has been preached
WHICH IS NO GOSPEL and WILL damn them all .
JESUS is being denied . And many love to have it so .
S TAND firm on THE SOLID ROCK OF OUR SALVATION
and never give way or place to another gospel as many today already have done so
and done so unto their own destruction .
another god , another jesus , another gospel , IS NOT GONNA SAVE THEM
and it cometh NOT OF GOD but of the dark one who desires naught but the death of all .

 

[Marvelloustime]

stand firm .........................
stand steady and stand firm on the absolute dire necessity to have had to BELEIVE ON JESUS the CHRIST .
Many do the work and the working of anti christs now and another gospel has been preached
WHICH IS NO GOSPEL and WILL damn them all .
JESUS is being denied . And many love to have it so .
S TAND firm on THE SOLID ROCK OF OUR SALVATION
and never give way or place to another gospel as many today already have done so
and done so unto their own destruction .
another god , another jesus , another gospel , IS NOT GONNA SAVE THEM
and it cometh NOT OF GOD but of the dark one who desires naught but the death of all .

@amigo de christo

 

[Hiddenthings]

@amigo de christo
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Would you agree that a person holding a fraudulent gospel could still post this verse?

 

[amigo de christo]

Would you agree that a person holding a fraudulent gospel could still post this verse?

of course one holding a fraudlent gospel could also quoate that .

 

[Hiddenthings]

of course one holding a fraudlent gospel could also quoate that .

It's hard to find such honesty in this forum amigo.

The only way to confirm a "true" and "original" Gospel is to discard everything known and approach the record without bias.

Who can do this?

 

[quietthinker]

It's hard to find such honesty in this forum amigo.

The only way to confirm a "true" and "original" Gospel is to discard everything known and approach the record without bias.

Who can do this?

haha Hidden, of course nobody except you has such highly developed morality.