WATER BAPTISM CAUSES DIVISIONS

[DJT_47]

Man causes divisions

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Israel had to believe then be water baptized NOT US in this dispensation

Yes we do. All the gentiles that were baptized have proven Gods Word true and your theory false.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

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[Reggie Belafonte]

I have seen people who are against Water Baptism, all were Athiest !

I do not recall the real Jews back in the OT who rejected John the Baptist doing such.

Who would reject the right to the forgivness to Sinners to be strengthened ! your Not Saved because of that. but such all helps one to become on the Path to be Saved ! It sure as does not hinder one !

Jesus got Water Baptised ! Some must think such is a Sin ? with all of their ranting.

 

[Doug]

No Doug.
The teaching and preaching was for THAT TIME....not a future time.
Unless you could find the verse that clearly states this.

Yes it was for that time, Jesus said the kingdom was at hand, Israel had to receive Jesus as their Messiah and the Son of God. They didnt so the kingdom was postponed.

 

[Doug]

Romans 10:13
13 for "WHOEVER WILL CALL ON THE NAME OF THE LORD WILL BE SAVED."

Paul is also referring back to Isaiah...why would he write this in the NEW Testament?
Did Paul preach ONLY the OT??

In Romans 9 thru 11 he was dealing with Israel. Israel was to call on his name. Israel was to call on his name to be saved in the day of the Lord,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,[Acts 2:19 KJV] "And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke:"
[Acts 2:20 KJV] "The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come:"
[Acts 2:21 KJV] "And it shall come to pass, [that] whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved."

 

[Doug]

There is NO DISTINCTION for ALL who call on Him.
No Jew,
No Greek.

Paul was discussing the believing remnant Romans 11:5 which included Gentiles who believed in Acts 10:45
Paul did say we call upon the name of Jesus Christ in 1 Cor 1:2

 

[Doug]

Who are the WHOSOEVERS?

In John 3 it is those who believe on his name not his blood of the cross........[John 3:18 KJV] "He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God."

 

[Doug]

If JESUS did not mean for His teachings to be for everyone....
and we need Paul to clarify this...

Jesus gave Paul revelations that he didnt reveal in his earthly ministry

 

[Doug]

What I'd rather ask you is this:
If Paul does not say to do something...
and Jesus says to do something...

WHO TAKES PRECEDENCE?

First of all whatever Paul says comes from Christ
Secondly it depends who is being told to do or not do something

 

[Doug]

Here is Paul telling us to be baptized - because Paul taught what Jesus tuaght:

Romans 6:1-5
1 What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin so that grace may increase?
2 May it never be! How shall we who died to sin still live in it?
3 Or do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus have been baptized into His death?
4 Therefore we have been buried with Him through baptism into death, so that as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, so we too might walk in newness of life.
5 For if we have become united with Him in the likeness of His death, certainly we shall also be in the likeness of His resurrection,

This not water baptism it is Spirit baptism................[1 Corinthians 12:13 KJV] "For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether [we be] Jews or Gentiles, whether [we be] bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit."

 

[Doug]

Chuch history teaches that Peter was a Bishop in Rome

Lots of scholarly debate about the travels
Church traditional teachings arent history, they lack evidence

 

[Doug]

Paul's PRIMARY task was to preach..NOT to baptize. This is correct.
However, we cannot say that he didn't TEACH baptism.

We can if he cant be found teaching it

 

[Doug]

Matthew 10.
The Apostles went within Israel.
To only the Jews.
Perhaps it was because of what Jesus states in Matthew 9:37-38

Israel had to be saved first to be priests in the millennial kingdom to lead the Gentiles in the kingdom to the Lord

 

[Doug]

Jesus spoke plainly and clearly...no mysteries.

Scripture says otherwise............
[Matthew 13:10 KJV] "And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?"
[Matthew 13:11 KJV] "He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given."

 

[Doug]

Right!
Because he was teaching what they were teaching.
My point exactly.

Paul was not telling them he preached the same gospel as the twelve, he communicated his gospel to them..................[Galatians 2:2 KJV] "And I went up by revelation, and communicated unto them that gospel which I preach among the Gentiles, but privately to them which were of reputation, lest by any means I should run, or had run, in vain."

 

[Doug]

The 10 Commandments are for everyone.

Do you keep the sabbath................[Exodus 31:14 KJV] "Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it [is] holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth [any] work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people."

 

[Doug]

Then why did He not have the adulterous woman stones?
The Law taught that she should have been stoned.

[Leviticus 20:10 KJV] "And the man that committeth adultery with [another] man's wife, [even he] that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death."
Both should have been put to death, but they only brought the woman................

 

[Doug]

Jesus also said we cannot see the Kingdom unless we are born again:

Israel had to be born again not us. Israel was said to be his firstborn............[Exodus 4:22 KJV] "And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the LORD, Israel [is] my son, [even] my firstborn:".........Israel had to born again spiritually

 

[Doug]

You're conflating the Law with the Commandments.

The ten commandments and the law are a package of the covenant made with Israel