A SURVEY OF DISPENSATIONALISM

[Doug]

Jeremiah 31:31-34,
- I will forgive their iniquity and I will remember their sin no more
This covenant is CONDITIONAL.

What does Israel have to perform?

 

[Doug]

Nowhere does Jeremiah teach this covenant is made without conditions.

It is not conditional God will perform his covenant......................
[Ezekiel 36:25 KJV] "Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you."
[Ezekiel 36:26 KJV] "A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh."
[Ezekiel 36:27 KJV] "And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do [them]."
[Ezekiel 36:28 KJV] "And ye shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; and ye shall be my people, and I will be your God."

 

[Doug]

National Israel never fullfilled Jeremiah 31.

The new covenant is future when Israel is in all the promised land, so of course they didnt fulfill it and couldnt, God will have to do it all for Israel

 

[Doug]

Jeremiah 31 cannot be fullfilled in unbelieving Israel because,
They do not know the Lord,
Their sins are not forgiven
The law is not written in their hearts

The scripture I gave you say otherwise here the are again

[Jeremiah 31:34 KJV] "And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more."............They will know the Lord

[Ezekiel 36:25 KJV] "Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.".........Their sins will be forgiven

[Ezekiel 36:26 KJV] "A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh."
[Ezekiel 36:27 KJV] "And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do [them].".............A new heart will be given them to keep the law

 

[Doug]

The new testament teaches the new covenant is fulfilled in the church not Israel.
Luke 22:20,
- this cup is the new covenant in My blood which is shedfor you(the church)

You have a faulty translation. Jesus shed his blood for the new testament NOT the new covenant....................[Luke 22:20 KJV] "Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup [is] the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you."
Jesus died for the new testament to forgive Israel the sins they committed under the first testament.......[Hebrews 9:15 KJV] "And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions [that were] under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance."

 

[Doug]

Paul says the church ministers the new covenant.
2 Corinthians 3:6,
- who also hath made us(believers in the body of Christ) able ministers of the new covenant NOT OF THE LETTER(Jewish old covenant law) but of the Spirit

Once again a faulty translation. The KJV reads.........[2 Corinthians 3:6 KJV] "Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life."
Maybe the translators didnt like that Israel was not replaced by the church, the body of Christ, maybe they didnt like Israel will be restored in the new covenant, just saying.
If we minister the new covenant we will be ministering the letter of the law because the new covenant causes Israel to keep the law

 

[saved by grace 101]

The new covenant is future when Israel is in the land and is made only with Israel not the body of Christ
Romans 2 is directed to Jews its not about us becoming spiritual Jews. In the body of Christ there is no Jew................[Galatians 3:28 KJV] "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus."

Really? In Rom ch2 Paul states the law is in gentiles hearts at that time(14:15)

Through the law we become conscious of sin Rom 3:20

All Christians are conscious of sin in their hearts, therefore law is in their hearts.

All Christians know there sins and lawless deeds will be remembered no more

All Christians know there is no more sacrifices for sin.

The covenant dispensationalists insist is only for Jews at a future time, is now, practically speaking fully reflected in the lives of gentile believers.

 

[Doug]

Hebrews is written to christians not unbelieving jews.

It is written to believing Jews who are being urged not to revert back to the Levitical temple worship to escape persecution

 

[Doug]

They are warned not to fall away proving they cannot be unbelievers.
Hebrews 6:4-6,
- those who were once enlightened and were made partakers of the Holy Spirit

As I said Hebrews is written to BELIEVING JEWS
They would fall away if they went back to all the temple sacrifices and turn from Christ's sacrifice and put him to open shame. By reverting back to all the sacrifices, they would make void Christ's sacrifice

 

[New Testament Christian]

u have a faulty translation. Jesus shed his blood for the new testament NOT the new covenant

You cannot teach on this subject as you are too ignorant of what the new covenant is.
You need to be taught before you can be a teacher.

Hebrews 9:15 - and for this cause He is the mediator of the new testament that by means of death

The Greek word used for new testament is diatheke.
It means covenant.
New testament = New covenant linguistically and theologically.

Luke 22:20 - this cup is the new covenant(new testament) in My blood which is shed for you

Jesus shed His blood for the forgiveness of sins, Matt. 26:28.
If Jesus did not shed His blood for the new covenant and by your doctrine this covenant is for the jews. Then the jews have no forgiveness of sins.

 

[Doug]

Jesus Christ is the High priest for all He came to save.

Priests are mentioned 960 times in scripture but Paul says NOTHING about it, nor does Paul say Jesus is our High Priest. He is Israel's High Priest

 

[Doug]

The New Covenant that was prophesied in Jeremiah 31 was for a remnant of those from the House of Judah and Israel, along with the remnant of all nations.

Jeremiah 31 says nothing about all nations

 

[Doug]

Like I said before, the church has been indoctrinated or infiltrated with this false doctrine of salvation for a whole nation of people. God saves us individually. He's not saving us because we are a particular ethnicity. There's one plan of salvation for all of humanity.

An individual Jew had to believe on Jesus to have eternal life by believing on his name, not yet by the blood of his cross..........
[John 3:16 KJV] "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."
[John 3:18 KJV] "He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God."
[John 20:31 KJV] "But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name."

Israel's national forgiveness is another matter.
Jesus died to forgive the nations sins committed under the first testament ..................[Hebrews 9:15 KJV] "And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions [that were] under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance."
The nation of Israel will be forgiven in the new covenant.................[Jeremiah 31:34 KJV] "And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.",,,,,,,,,,,NOTE their sin no more is the nations

 

[Doug]

Really? In Rom ch2 Paul states the law is in gentiles hearts at that time(14:15)

Through the law we become conscious of sin Rom 3:20

All Christians are conscious of sin in their hearts, therefore law is in their hearts.

All Christians know there sins and lawless deeds will be remembered no more

All Christians know there is no more sacrifices for sin.

The covenant dispensationalists insist is only for Jews at a future time, is now, practically speaking fully reflected in the lives of gentile believers.

The new covenant says who it is made to and its Israel...............[Jeremiah 31:31 KJV] "Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:"

 

[Doug]

There is no unconditional covenant. Even the text you quote right here says: you shall keep my statues.

But God will cause them to keep his statutes
Not all covenants are conditional such as this one..............[Genesis 12:2 KJV] "And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing:"...... God will do it and it requires nothing from Abraham

 

[Doug]

The Greek word used for new testament is diatheke.
It means covenant.
New testament = New covenant linguistically and theologically.

Context determines whether its translated as testament or covenant

 

[New Testament Christian]

Priests are mentioned 960 times in scripture but Paul says NOTHING about it, nor does Paul say Jesus is our High Priest. He is Israel's High Priest

Jesus is our mediator between God and man.
Mediator is the priestly role.

Exodus 28:1 - and take thou unto thee Aaron thy brother... that he may minister unto me in the priests office

A priests role
Represent people before God.
Represent God before the people.
This is mediation.

Priests explicitly act as mediators.
Deuteronomy 5:5 -I stood before the Lord and you at that time to declare unto you the word of the Lord

Moses functions as a mediator and Moses also functions in priestly roles, Exodus 24; Psalm 99:6

The priest is the one who gives the sacrifice.
Jesus is that sacrifice.
1 Timothy 2:5
- one mediator between God and men the man Jesus Christ

 

[Doug]

You cannot teach on this subject as you are too ignorant of what the new covenant is.
You need to be taught before you can be a teacher.

Hebrews 9:15 - and for this cause He is the mediator of the new testament that by means of death

The Greek word used for new testament is diatheke.
It means covenant.
New testament = New covenant linguistically and theologically.

Luke 22:20 - this cup is the new covenant(new testament) in My blood which is shed for you

Jesus shed His blood for the forgiveness of sins, Matt. 26:28.
If Jesus did not shed His blood for the new covenant and by your doctrine this covenant is for the jews. Then the jews have no forgiveness of sins.

There is a relationship between the new testament and new covenant in that for God to forgive the nation of Israel's sins in the new covenant Christ had to shed his blood to forgive their sins committed under the old testament

 

[Doug]

Jesus is our mediator between God and man.
Mediator is the priestly role.

Exodus 28:1 - and take thou unto thee Aaron thy brother... that he may minister unto me in the priests office

A priests role
Represent people before God.
Represent God before the people.
This is mediation.

Priests explicitly act as mediators.
Deuteronomy 5:5 -I stood before the Lord and you at that time to declare unto you the word of the Lord

Moses functions as a mediator and Moses also functions in priestly roles, Exodus 24; Psalm 99:6

The priest is the one who gives the sacrifice.
Jesus is that sacrifice.
1 Timothy 2:5
- one mediator between God and men the man Jesus Christ

Jesus can be our mediator without having to be a priest

 

[New Testament Christian]

There is a relationship between the new testament and new covenant in that for God to forgive the nation of Israel's sins in the new covenant Christ had to shed his blood to forgive their sins under the old testament

The new covenant is Jesus' will and new testament as the Greek translators of the new testament make clear to us.

Christ shed His blood to establish His new testament.
Everyone is saved under the new testament not the old.
Matthew 26:28,
- for this is My blood of the new testament which is shed for many for the forgiveness of sins