What God Says About the False Pre-trib Rapture

[Davy]

Davy noted:

<feet touching>

o. "Feet touching" is at the SECOND COMING, which is all the way to the EARTH.

o. The RAPTURE at the 7th trump is descent from the domain of heaven to our upper atmosphere, then back to the domain of heaven.

o. Heaven is another dimension.

I don't have any more time for you un-Biblical notions you keep pushing from men's doctrines. You have been shown per God's Word that when Jesus descends from Heaven, brining the asleep saints with Him, He does NOT HANG IN THE CLOUDS, and then goes back up into Heaven. That idea is from Satan's children who devised it.

 

[William Barton]

Davy noted:
<Rapture nowhere in God's word>

As I have noted before, the rapture is indicated FIVE TIMES in the New Testament:
o. John 14:2-3
o. 1Corinthians 15:51-53
o. 1Thessalonians 4:15-17
o. Revelation 11:12
o. Revelation 14:16

IT'S IN THE BOOK.

 

[William Barton]

Davy noted:
<doctors>

I do hold a doctorate, but it's in mathematics. "Doctor" is a Latin word carried over into English. It means "teacher."

Davy noted:
< nowhere in God's written word>

I showed you FIVE places in the Bible that indicate a pretribulation rapture.

 

[William Barton]

None of those five Scriptures show a pre-trib rapture. You are telling a lie.

Then present your proof that my citations are not pre-great-tribulation rapture.

There has always been tribulation (John 16:33). Great-tribulation" is noted in Matthew 24:21, signaled by the beast taking his seat in the temple (2Thessalonians 2:4).

 

[William Barton]

That idea is from the pre-trib rapture theory doctors.

They don't want you to know about Jesus' feet touching down upon the Mount of Olives, on earth, bringing all His saints with Him there, per Zechariah 14.

Jesus onto the Mount of Olives is second coming.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Davy noted:
<Rapture nowhere in God's word>

As I have noted before, the rapture is indicated FIVE TIMES in the New Testament:
o. John 14:2-3
o. 1Corinthians 15:51-53
o. 1Thessalonians 4:15-17
o. Revelation 11:12
o. Revelation 14:16

IT'S IN THE BOOK.

You forgot Matthew 24:29-31, Mark 13:24-27, 2 Thessalonians 1:10 and 2 Thessalonians 2:1.

 

[William Barton]

That idea is MADE UP by the false Pre-trib Rapture doctors. It is NOWHERE written in God's Word, and certainly not by Paul in 1 Thess.4.

The two angels who appeared in Acts 1 when Jesus ascended to Heaven on a cloud said Jesus will return in like manner. And that took place upon the Mount of Olives, which is where Zechariah 14 reveals where Jesus will return. So there it is, believe God's Word as written, or put your misplaced faith in men. You decide. I've done my job for The LORD with warning you.

Davy noted:
<false pre-trib rapture at seventh trump>

Apostle Paul noted:
<In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the LAST TRUMP...caught up"
(1Thessalonians 4:17)

There are seven trumps, the seventh is the LAST TRUMP of the seven.

 

[William Barton]

That idea is MADE UP by the false Pre-trib Rapture doctors. It is NOWHERE written in God's Word, and certainly not by Paul in 1 Thess.4.

The two angels who appeared in Acts 1 when Jesus ascended to Heaven on a cloud said Jesus will return in like manner. And that took place upon the Mount of Olives, which is where Zechariah 14 reveals where Jesus will return. So there it is, believe God's Word as written, or put your misplaced faith in men. You decide. I've done my job for The LORD with warning you.

Davy noted:
<Not in 1 Thessalonians 4>

Bible noted:
"For the Lord himself will descend from heaven...and the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive, who are left, will be CAUGHT UP together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so shall we always be with the Lord." (1Thessalonians 4:16-17).

The Latin Bible (which was the bible of the Roman Empire in the days of the Apostle Paul) renders "caught up" as "rapiemur," which carried over into English as "rapture."

 

[William Barton]

That idea is MADE UP by the false Pre-trib Rapture doctors. It is NOWHERE written in God's Word, and certainly not by Paul in 1 Thess.4.

The two angels who appeared in Acts 1 when Jesus ascended to Heaven on a cloud said Jesus will return in like manner. And that took place upon the Mount of Olives, which is where Zechariah 14 reveals where Jesus will return. So there it is, believe God's Word as written, or put your misplaced faith in men. You decide. I've done my job for The LORD with warning you.

Davy noted:
<Jesus will return in like manner>

IMO:
Jesus went up "into the sky," and he will RETURN in like manner, i.e. "in the sky." Check out Revelation 19:11-21.

The rapture is not a return to the ground. Jesus will return to the *sky,* take believers up into the sky, and then to the dimension of heaven.

Check out:
o. John 14:2-3
o. 1Corinthians 15:51-53
o. 1Thessalonians 4-15-17
o. Revelation 11:12, 14:16

Jesus was taken up from the Mount of Olives, and apparently he will return to that spot at his "second coming."

..."Men of Galilee, why do you stand looking unto heaven? This Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will come in the same way as you saw him go into heaven." (Acts 1:11)

 

[FredVB]

Nobody knows about the rapture, they would think they do. We are to be responsible here, and not be distracted from that. We will not be delivered from our troubles in this world. If we are to come out from the ungodly and destructive worldly system, that is for us to manage doing. When we who are believers and in Christ are taken up, it will be the justified deliverance from this world when God's wrath will then come to the unrepentant ungodly for the wickedness, exploitation, and destructiveness here in the world.

 

[William Barton]

Before the 7 yr trib to be exact

I would say the Great Tribulation begins at the midpoint of the seventieth seven, and is pictured as "bowl" judgments. A bowl itself is not a symbol of stress, hence I assume these bowls are filled with hot oil, an ancient method of torture.

This is an especially rough time, hence believers are "raptured" from the area before the bowl judgments begin.

 

[William Barton]

I don't have any more time for you un-Biblical notions you keep pushing from men's doctrines. You have been shown per God's Word that when Jesus descends from Heaven, brining the asleep saints with Him, He does NOT HANG IN THE CLOUDS, and then goes back up into Heaven. That idea is from Satan's children who devised it.

The reason for the rapture is to remove believers from the area of the coming battle. The Bible notes:

"For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the arcangel's call, and with the sound of the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive, who are left, shall be caught up with them IN THE CLOUDS to meet the Lord IN THE AIR; and so shall we always be with the Lord." (1Thessalonians 4:16-17)

This removes believers from the area of the coming battle at the plain of Armageddon (Revelation 19:11-20:3). Been there, seen it, great place to have a battle.

Revelation 14:14-16 shows Jesus descended to a cloud and catching up believers from the area of this coming battle.

 

[Davy]

Nobody knows about the rapture, they would think they do. We are to be responsible here, and not be distracted from that. We will not be delivered from our troubles in this world. If we are to come out from the ungodly and destructive worldly system, that is for us to manage doing. When we who are believers and in Christ are taken up, it will be the justified deliverance from this world when God's wrath will then come to the unrepentant ungodly for the wickedness, exploitation, and destructiveness here in the world.

Do you really think Lord Jesus forgot to tell us what's to happen, and in the general sense of when? He told us all... things, and they are in His Word, easy to read. It's usually those who listen to men instead and haven't actually read His Word that make claims like none of His servants know the timeline of the end leading up to His future return, and how it is to take place.

I'm willing to help any fellow-believer on Lord Jesus Christ to know His Word about these things.

 

[rebuilder 454]

I would say the Great Tribulation begins at the midpoint of the seventieth seven, and is pictured as "bowl" judgments. A bowl itself is not a symbol of stress, hence I assume these bowls are filled with hot oil, an ancient method of torture.

This is an especially rough time, hence believers are "raptured" from the area before the bowl judgments begin.

The setting in your model is incorrect. Jesus place the setting as normal life, commerce ,marriages , planning for the future,and everyday life.

The setting of your model is exactly opposite of that.