The extortion gospel - "believe or burn" - not really a choice

[quietthinker]

@quietthinker, is there a reason you consistently avoid engaging with the deeper wisdom of Scripture and instead focus on trivial matters in our discussions? It’s rather like being served a carefully prepared three‑course meal, only to respond, when it’s your turn, by offering Maccas. Is it because your pantry lacks more nourishing substance?

What you think is deeper wisdom are only the deductions of human wisdom. To me that's uninteresting.
What you consider nourishing is nothing more than a good thrash around in an ego pit.
Maybe find the courage to point out your own flaws first, instead of those you deem others have?

 

[Jack]

"believe or burn"​

Exact Bible doctrine!

 

[Hiddenthings]

What you think is deeper wisdom are only the deductions of human wisdom. To me that's uninteresting.

If this was true you would have provided evidence and yet we only see one-liners

What you consider nourishing is nothing more than a good thrash around in an ego pit.

As you know the pharisees also could not perceive the Masters wisdom...perhaps this is worth considering!

Maybe find the courage to point out your own flaws first, instead of those you deem others have?

I have plenty of flaws quiet, as do we all, but reading, meditating and learning from God's Word is not one of mine...though I would like to think there is also room for improvement.

 

[soberxp]

"believe or burn"​

Exact Bible doctrine!

Not really.
Where is the Bible says few find the path which means only the few can be saved?
What I got it that is only few who find the path, not only few can be saved.
When Jesus Christ said only few can find the path, what the means for the gospel? Only for save the few?

 

[Jack]

Not really.
Where is the Bible says few find the path which means only the few can be saved?

Already quoted Jesus. Glad to again.

Mt 7 Narrow is the way to Life and FEW there be who find it!

What I got it that is only few who find the path, not only few can be saved.
When Jesus Christ said only few can find the path, what the means for the gospel? Only for save the few?

Luke 13:23-24
23 Then one said to Him, "Lord, are there few who are saved?" And He said to them,
24 "Strive to enter through the narrow gate, for many, I say to you, will seek to enter and will not be able.

Possibly BILLIONS sit in churches being duped by Satan's ministers, heading for Hell Fire.

2 Corinthians 11:14-15
Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light. 15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also transform themselves into ministers of righteousness,

 

[soberxp]

Already quoted Jesus. Glad to again.

Mt 7 Narrow is the way to Life and FEW there be who find it!

Luke 13:23-24
23 Then one said to Him, "Lord, are there few who are saved?" And He said to them,
24 "Strive to enter through the narrow gate, for many, I say to you, will seek to enter and will not be able.

Possibly BILLIONS sit in churches being duped by Satan's ministers, heading for Hell Fire.

2 Corinthians 11:14-15
Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light. 15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also transform themselves into ministers of righteousness,

So, in your opinion, what kind of person can be considered saved?
In my opinion, those who believe that others cannot be saved are actually the many people who are searching but fail to find the way.

 

[Jack]

So, in your opinion, what kind of person can be considered saved?

Those who believe and serve God of the Bible with all their hearts.

Jeremiah 29:13
13 And you will seek Me and find Me, when you search for Me with all your heart.

In my opinion, those who believe that others cannot be saved are actually the many people who are searching but fail to find the way.

Who would that be?

 

[St. SteVen]

So, in your opinion, what kind of person can be considered saved?
In my opinion, those who believe that others cannot be saved are actually the many people who are searching but fail to find the way.

Good question.
From my perspective there is much misunderstanding about salvation.
Being from China, you may relate to this.

In the west we view salvation from an individual basis.
"Are you saved?" is the question.

But at the final judgment whole nations will be judged. (and restored)

Jesus paid the death penalty for ALL of humankind on the cross.
In doing so, everyone was categorically saved.
But this does not mean that the nations and individuals will not be held accountable.

 

[Jack]

Good question.
From my perspective there is much misunderstanding about salvation.
Being from China, you may relate to this.

In the west we view salvation from an individual basis.
"Are you saved?" is the question.

But at the final judgment whole nations will be judged. (and restored)

Jesus paid the death penalty for ALL of humankind on the cross.
In doing so, everyone was categorically saved.
But this does not mean that the nations and individuals will not be held accountable.

Jesus? But you said you don't trust the Bible. IOW you pick the parts of the Bible you like to make up your own false god. You already admitted you don't know who your god is!

 

[St. SteVen]

You already admitted you don't know who your god is!

Do you have a quote?
Or are you lying? (as usual)

 

[Jack]

Do you have a quote?

Yeah, your silence every time I ask who your god is. Are you Muslim? Is Allah your god? Or maybe the JW god Jehovah?

Or are you lying? (as usual)

Quote my lies! You're the one who said "no wonder I don't trust the Bible"!

You won't even tell us why you're in a Christian forum attacking the Bible.

 

[St. SteVen]

Quote my lies!

Here you go.

You already admitted you don't know who your god is!

You came back with nothing. (as usual)

 

[Jack]

Here you go.

You came back with nothing. (as usual)

And I proved it. I said your silence is the answer. You clearly don't know or won't tell us who your god is!

You already admitted you're not Christian. "no wonder I don't trust the Bible"! So why are you in a Christian Forum ATTACKING the Bible?

 

[St. SteVen]

You already admitted you're not Christian.

Once again, we will need a quote, you liar.

Revelation 21:8 NIV
But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts,
the idolaters and all liars—they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.”

 

[Jack]

Once again, we will need a quote, you liar.

How many times do you want me to quote you???

Quoting YOU: "no wonder I don't trust the Bible"!

No Christian would say such a Satanic thing!

And yet you're in a Christian Forum ATTACKING the Christian Bible, that you said don't trust.

 

[St. SteVen]

Quoting YOU: "no wonder I don't trust the Bible"!

No Christian would say such a Satanic thing!

You should post the context.
Why did I say that?
In reference to what?

 

[Jack]

You should post the context.
Why did I say that?
In reference to what?

Gladly!

"And clarity is further confused by the definitions shell game.
Why do we need a secret decoder ring to understand the Bible?
This is Freakin' nuts. (no wonder I don't trust the Bible)"

No Christian would say such a thing!

 

[St. SteVen]

"And clarity is further confused by the definitions shell game.
Why do we need a secret decoder ring to understand the Bible?
This is Freakin' nuts. (no wonder I don't trust the Bible)

That looks like a valid concern.
What "definitions shell game" was I writing about?

 

[Jack]

That looks like a valid concern.

So why are you in a Christian forum ATTACKING the Christian Bible?

What "definitions shell game" was I writing about?

So who is your god? Why won't you tell us? Can't be God of the Bible Who you don't trust!

You either don't know or you're hiding the truth.

 

[St. SteVen]

So why are you in a Christian forum ATTACKING the Christian Bible?

What is a "Christian Bible"?
As opposed to what?