Is it possible to lose salvation?

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Behold

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Behold,,,there was a CHURCH even in the time immediately following Jesus.

Lets look at your post using the bible.


The first Christians, were the 11 apostles, all Jewish, not one worshiped Mary, and all received the Holy Spirit, before Pentecost.
So, there are your original born again........the first 11.

Then Pentecost....and more JEWS........who didnt worship Mary......3000 of them, became Christians.

It took the MaryCult.......to create this Mary Cult Situation, and its not of God.
Its created by Cathoic Church Fathers, who just keep expanding this mythology about Mary.
The Apostles didnt.
 

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YOU believe it's scriptural.

I "believe" that Jesus who saved a sinner, keeps them saved, the same way He saved them.

You dont believe this.
You believe that being born again is temporary, and can end if you decided one day to just "walk away" from your faith.
Yet, its not your faith that saved you.......
How do you know?

Did Faith die on the Cross for you?


So, there is really no reaching you, as you are hardened into your "self saving" belief system.

Im not like that.
I understand that being born again is eternal, and it cant be changed by behavior or some faith crisis you might have that lasted 3 hrs or 3 days or 30 yrs.

You can't stop being Saved.
Its impossible, because its of GOD, and its a spiritual birth that lasts for as long as God exists.
 

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I will worship toward thy holy temple, And give thanks unto thy name for thy lovingkindness and for thy truth: For thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name.

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I will bow down [in worship] toward Your holy temple And give thanks to Your name for Your lovingkindness and Your truth; For You have magnified Your word together with Your name.

AMPC
I will worship toward Your holy temple and praise Your name for Your loving-kindness and for Your truth and faithfulness; for You have exalted above all else Your name and Your word and You have magnified Your word above all Your name!
Can't name the verse huh? Verse Ps 298:2 is rendered in most translations as his name and word above all things.
 

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Reader..

You can't stop being saved, unless Jesus's Sacrifice can fail.
It can't.
His sacrifice is a "one time eternal sacrifice' and it does not depend on your behaivor to complete it, as it was already completed on The Cross, when He shed His blood and died to complete it... 2000 yrs ago.

So, you can't lose your salvation, if you are truly born again, but you can believe that you can lose it, and i just want you to consider..........
Who would want you to live your Christian Life, believing that your salvation is only as good as you are.........instead of believing that God's Salvation is based on Christ alone.... ?

Someone < does not want you to have complete faith in Jesus = that He has completely saved you, forever.....
 

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I "believe" that Jesus who saved a sinner, keeps them saved, the same way He saved them.

You dont believe this.
You believe that being born again is temporary, and can end if you decided one day to just "walk away" from your faith.
Yet, its not your faith that saved you.......
How do you know?

Did Faith die on the Cross for you?


So, there is really no reaching you, as you are hardened into your "self saving" belief system.

Im not like that.
I understand that being born again is eternal, and it cant be changed by behavior or some faith crisis you might have that lasted 3 hrs or 3 days or 30 yrs.

You can't stop being Saved.
Its impossible, because its of GOD, and its a spiritual birth that lasts for as long as God exists.
Oh for goodness sake Behold.

I'm not here to discuss OSAS...

don't you get the point??

SOLA SCRIPTURA DOES NOT WORK.
 
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Your verse is teaching the "gospel of the Kingdom" and that is because Jesus was on Earth, He had come.

He's not here now, so, that Gospel is not the Body of Christ Gospel.,, which is the one that Paul gave us.
Its the one that has Jesus on the Cross shedding His blood for your sin.
You wont find Jesus preaching that one to the Jews in your verse, as He had not died on the Cross yet, so that Gospel, (Paul's) was not available yet.
You cannot claim Jesus’ gospel ended when He left the earth, because He Himself said, “The words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life” (John 6:63, KJV). He also said, “He that believeth on me hath everlasting life” (John 6:47, KJV). Life has never depended on a later letter or a new teacher—it has always depended on faith in Him and obedience to God.

Jesus made it clear that His teaching is eternal: “Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled” (Matthew 5:17–18, KJV). His words reveal sin, guide righteousness, and lead to life. Sin brings death, not the law, as He said: “For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts… these are the things which defile a man” (Matthew 15:19–20, KJV).

Salvation has always been offered through Him. and no one else. He calls everyone: “Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest” (Matthew 11:28, KJV). He tied love and obedience together: “If ye love me, keep my commandments” (John 14:15, KJV). He is eternal: “Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and today, and forever” (Hebrews 13:8, KJV).

To claim that the gospel changed, or that His words are now secondary to someone else’s letters, is to place another above the Master. The student is never greater than the teacher, and no servant is above the Lord (Matthew 10:24, KJV). Jesus’ gospel is alive today, just as it was when He walked the earth. It is complete, eternal, and sufficient for salvation. Anything else that claims to replace it is already outside the truth Jesus Himself taught.
 

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You cannot claim Jesus’ gospel ended when He left the earth, because He Himself said,

I didnt say that Jesus's Gospel "ended".

I said that Jesus's gospel is "the gospel of the Kingdom".
Its the same that John the Baptist stated when He said... "REPENT, for the KINGDOM is at hand".

See that?
That is not Paul's Gospel.

Paul's Gospel is "Christ Crucified" for your sins.

Why dont you know this is what is curious, @LoveYeshua .
 

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Then dont bring it up.
Let's try again:

SOLA SCRIPTURA does not work.

IF it did, both you and I would agree on (pick a topic, any topic) OSAS.

The fact that we do not...
PROVES that SOLA SCRIPTURA does not work.
 

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I didnt say that Jesus's Gospel "ended".

I said that Jesus's gospel is "the gospel of the Kingdom".
Its the same that John the Baptist stated when He said... "REPENT, for the KINGDOM is at hand".

See that?
That is not Paul's Gospel.

Paul's Gospel is "Christ Crucified" for your sins.

Why dont you know this is what is curious, @LoveYeshua .
And NOW you're saying that Jesus taught something different than what Paul taught?

:eek:
 

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You didnt need the name and number of the verse.
You need the verse.

So, I posted the verses for you.

Also, its verse 138:2, not 238.2.
Typo. Yes, typo, Psalm 138.2. No, I needed the verse name and number. No comment on how most verses render it different from what you say?
 

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To claim that the gospel changed

In not claiming that the 'GOSPEL CHANGED".
Im just showing the reader that you dont understand that there is more then one gospel, and its Paul's Gospel, = that is the one that a sinner hears and can find forgiveness through Christ's Sacrifice.

And that is NOT "repent and be water baptized".

You dont know this, and that is something you need to realize and overcome, vs remaining obstinate and theologically ignorant regarding "soteriology".
You have a severe defecit in your bible study and within your Christianity, as you have no idea that Paul's Gospel, is not what Jesus was preaching to the Jews, during His ministy before He died on The Cross.. @LoveYeshua
 

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Typo. Yes, typo, Psalm 138.2. No, I needed the verse name and number. No comment on how most verses render it different from what you say?

Many bibles are not very accurate regarding the Apostles letters.

I can show you a KJV verse, many, that are the only accruate Translation of a particular verse, and all the others, or 98% of them, completely change the meaning of the verse so that its not even close to correct.

So, what we have to undertstand about the DEVIL is that He understands that if He can ruin someone's faith and have them trying to save themselves, and then has them reading a bible that is really just a pile of dung....then guess who is in control of this Christian, while they are lost in space, believing they are "led of the spirit"..
 

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I can show you a KJV verse, many, that are the only accruate Translation of a particular verse, and all the others, or 98% of them, completely change the meaning of the verse so that its not even close to correct.
Oh boy! The opposite is the case. The KJV is the worst translation available in English today.
 
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Actually, the Bible itself says...."thy word is Truth",.

The longest chapter in the bible states that "God exalts His word, above his own Name".

What word?

A.) The Scriptures.......the Bible......the word of God.
Totally agree, However that is not what I stated. The Bible is truth, but it is NOT THE TRUTH. Christ is that Truth.
So, you can believe this and be a part of the Truth, or you can deny it and be a part of the darkness that does not accept that the BIBLE, the world of God, is Truth.

There is a line drawn in the Spirit, and that line separates the carnal who do not accept the authority of the bible, vs, those who do understand that the Bible is the final authoriity regarding truth and church doctrine, as well as spirituality.
Here again, the Bible does not stand alone as an authority. The authority is Christ, not scripture. And surely not man with his ego determining his own interpretation. Scripture says the Church is the pillar and ground of Truth, not the Bible.
 

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I didnt say that Jesus's Gospel "ended".

I said that Jesus's gospel is "the gospel of the Kingdom".
Its the same that John the Baptist stated when He said... "REPENT, for the KINGDOM is at hand".

See that?
That is not Paul's Gospel.

Paul's Gospel is "Christ Crucified" for your sins.

Why dont you know this is what is curious, @LoveYeshua .
so two gospels then? one from Jesus and one from paul? did you know the whole bible points to Christ, his sacrifice,? Jesus lived the crucifixion told the disciples he would die for our sins and he would rise the third day? he even explained them why( and us since they left writings to this effect) Jesus preached by example, he preached the commandments, he demonstrated how to keep them, he preached the kingdom of heaven and now to enter it, did he did all this in vain? Are Paul superseding the words of Christ?
 

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Oh boy! The opposite is the case. The KJV is the worst translation available in English today.
not the worse far from it, it is old English but the meaning is close to the original manuscripts, i use it myself and many others too but it is rather a good version.