Is it possible to lose salvation?

[Wrangler]

what do you prefer personally, ill have a look. thank you.

I mostly prefer thought translations for readability. CEV, NLT, CJB, VOICE.

Also, for more literal ESV, NSRV.

 

[Christian Soldier]

It might be the Non-Denominational denomination. <smile>

Grace and peace to you, CS.

Bingo You hit the nail on the head there. I've been trying solve the mystery for a long time now, so you have saved me wasting any more time on this wild goose chase.

Wishing you a healthy, wealthy and happy new year

 

[Christian Soldier]

what denom has influenced indoctrinated you?

It's blasphemy to suggest that the Holy Spirit is a demon. I would fall on my face and repent if I were you

 

[Wrangler]

SOLA SCRIPTURA DOES NOT WORK.

Of course Sola Scriptura works! You're misapplying the principle.

For the record, I agree with you about OSAS. However, Sola Scriptura is a principle to thwart claims of supremacy by the Roman Catholic Church. Nothing more.

As for us God's children, we are free to pursue our faith, which Roman Catholic Church and others dismiss as 'private' interpretation - no matter how PUBLIC one makes their faith based pronouncements. As wrong as @Behold is about OSAS, I want him to have the freedom to pursue his religious faith.

@Behold, regarding OSAS, how do you reconcile this to the many Scripture verses that say otherwise? For instance, I recently came across Christ commanding us to abide in him and he'll abide in us. A premise of all good law is that it prohibits that which one can do. So, for instance, no government has ever passed a law prohibiting us from flapping our arms to fly to the moon. The main reason being is that we cannot do that.

And this puts Christ's command in proper OSAS perspective. He commands us to abide in him ONLY because we have the capability to NOT abide in him. (I pray your answer does not involve word games, e.g., claiming abide and salvation are not the same AS IF Christ will save those who reject salvation).

 

[Wrangler]

It's blasphemy to suggest that the Holy Spirit is a demon. I would fall on my face and repent if I were you

I haven't followed these exchanges between you and Ezra but don't you find it odd that people join an online community to refuse to discuss what brings the community together; In this case, his faith?

This short year, I've already noticed many people in this forum refuse to answer questions about their faith. I'm happy to discuss all aspects of my faith and this is a primary motivator for why I am here.

Questions have the power to reveal truth IF one is brace enough to honestly answer them. I find IDOLATRY is so rampant in Christiandom, that many abandon the truth, which obviously is akin to abandoning Christ. Now, this is different that, say, you and me not agreeing about what is true. My answer may involve giving more weight to something than you do. And I believe all this is well and good. But to refuse to answer questions of faith on an online forum dedicated to that purpose begs the question of why they are even here. Thoughts?

 

[GodsGrace]

Of course Sola Scriptura works! You're misapplying the principle.

For the record, I agree with you about OSAS. However, Sola Scriptura is a principle to thwart claims of supremacy by the Roman Catholic Church. Nothing more.

I understand that.
It was to show that only the bible is to be the authority and NOT the church, which was the CC at the time.
Some practices of the CC were, in fact, not biblical.

As for us God's children, we are free to pursue our faith, which Roman Catholic Church and others dismiss as 'private' interpretation - no matter how PUBLIC one makes their faith based pronouncements. As wrong as @Behold is about OSAS, I want him to have the freedom to pursue his religious faith.

To pursue which faith Wrangler?
Is there more than one?

IF Sola scriptura functioned well, then we'd all be in agreement as to whether or not salvation can be forfeited.
But we're not.

So who is right?

There cannot be two truths, as you well know.

I can have my own private truth...but it will not be the objective truth, but only my version of it.

There are members on here posting unchristian beliefs and yet they define themselves as Christian.
This is wrong.

Christianity must have a meaning that is the same for everyone.

I don't claim to know the solution for this since not only we, here, face this problem, but theologians themselves have differing opinions. I say opinions because if there is not one clear truth...we're speaking of opinion.

@Behold, regarding OSAS, how do you reconcile this to the many Scripture verses that say otherwise? For instance, I recently came across Christ commanding us to abide in him and he'll abide in us. A premise of all good law is that it prohibits that which one can do. So, for instance, no government has ever passed a law prohibiting us from flapping our arms to fly to the moon. The main reason being is that we cannot do that.

And this puts Christ's command in proper OSAS perspective. He commands us to abide in him ONLY because we have the capability to NOT abide in him. (I pray your answer does not involve word games, e.g., claiming abide and salvation are not the same AS IF Christ will save those who reject salvation).

The above is for Behold....
but read John 15:2.
What can be more clear?
And yet it is dismissed by Behold and those that believe as he does.

 

[Lambano]

Let's try again:

SOLA SCRIPTURA does not work.

IF it did, both you and I would agree on (pick a topic, any topic) OSAS.

The fact that we do not...
PROVES that SOLA SCRIPTURA does not work.

“Mommy, the Emperor’s got no clothes on!”

 

[Christian Soldier]

I haven't followed these exchanges between you and Ezra but don't you find it odd that people join an online community to refuse to discuss what brings the community together; In this case, his faith?

This short year, I've already noticed many people in this forum refuse to answer questions about their faith. I'm happy to discuss all aspects of my faith and this is a primary motivator for why I am here.

Questions have the power to reveal truth IF one is brace enough to honestly answer them. I find IDOLATRY is so rampant in Christiandom, that many abandon the truth, which obviously is akin to abandoning Christ. Now, this is different that, say, you and me not agreeing about what is true. My answer may involve giving more weight to something than you do. And I believe all this is well and good. But to refuse to answer questions of faith on an online forum dedicated to that purpose begs the question of why they are even here. Thoughts?

I have found most professing Christians pluck verses of scripture out of their intended context and interpret them in a way that supports their private view. They're not interested in the truth of the matter, they're more concerned with promoting their own denomination.

There is only one true gospel, but there are 49,000 Christian Denominations, many of these have radically opposed interpretations of the gospel. Many claim to be the only ones who posses the correct interpretation and they claim that there is no salvation outside of their Denomination.

Many professing Christians have left their Church to be free from any obligations to the Church. They claim to have found faults with every Church they attended and they finally give up on the idea. They're offended if you mention

Hebrews 10:25 which states, "not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as is the manner of some, but exhorting one another, and so much the more as you see the Day approaching".

This verse encourages believers to meet regularly for mutual encouragement in faith, love, and good works, especially as they anticipate Jesus' return.

The lone wolf Christians resent authority of any kind, they demand to have their way in all things, they are the masters of their own ship, which is being tossed about by every wind of doctrine.

A wise person loves you for correcting them, but a fool hates you for it. The true gospel message is not pleasant to those who are not truly converted, only true believers love it and embrace it.
Anyone who proclaims the truth of the gospel will be persecuted and attacked by those who don't know the truth.

 

[Paul Christensen]

Jesus had a lot to say about and this taught that the path to eternal life is narrow and that few find it. In Matthew 7:13-14, He said;

"Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it."​

This shows that salvation is not guaranteed for everyone, and only those who stay faithful and follow His teachings will enter the Kingdom of Heaven.


Jesus also warned that some would hear the word and believe for a while, but eventually fall away. In the Parable of the Sower, He explained;

"But he who received the seed on stony places, this is he who hears the word and immediately receives it with joy; yet he has no root in himself, but endures only for a while. For when tribulation or persecution arises because of the word, immediately he stumbles." (Matthew 13:20-21).​

This illustrates that some will start their walk with God but will not persevere when faced with trials or temptations.

In John 15:6, Jesus made it even clearer, saying;

"If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned."​

Here, Jesus compares Himself to a vine and believers as branches. A branch must remain connected to the vine to stay alive and bear fruit. If a person disconnects from Christ through disobedience or unbelief, they wither spiritually and face eternal judgment.


The original apostles also confirmed this truth. Peter warned in 2 Peter 2:20-21;

"For if, after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the latter end is worse for them than the beginning. For it would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered to them."​

This shows that a person who was once saved and returns to sin is in a worse condition than before they knew the truth.​

James also affirmed this truth when he said;

"Brethren, if anyone among you wanders from the truth, and someone turns him back, let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save a soul from death and cover a multitude of sins."​

(James 5:19-20).​

This verse reveals that a believer can wander away from the truth and face spiritual death unless they repent and return to God.

The Bible does provide examples of those who lost their salvation. Judas Iscariot was one of the twelve apostles chosen by Jesus, yet he betrayed the Lord for thirty pieces of silver. Jesus Himself said about Judas;

"It would have been good for that man if he had not been born." (Matthew 26:24).​

This shows that Judas was once in the faith but fell away and was lost.

Another example is Balaam, a prophet who once heard from God but later led Israel into sin for personal gain. Peter referred to him, saying,

"They have forsaken the right way and gone astray, following the way of Balaam the son of Beor." (2 Peter 2:15). King Saul is yet another example; he was chosen and anointed by God but later disobeyed and rebelled, and the Spirit of God departed from him (1 Samuel 16:14)​

Jesus' words make it clear that salvation is not a one-time event but requires endurance and faithfulness until the end. As He said in Matthew 24:13, "But he who endures to the end shall be saved." Therefore, those who abide in Christ, obey His commandments, and remain faithful will receive eternal life. However, those who turn away from Him and return to sin risk losing their salvation and facing eternal separation from God: "Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus."Rev 14:12

Blessings.

If a person has genuinely embraced Christ, he or she is born again of the Spirit of God. Once eternal life is received, it cannot be lost. That is the foundation. But Paul says that that once the foundation is laid, it is important what we build on it. It depends on how we live the Christian life; whether we build wood, hay, or stubble, or precious stones, gold, or silver. The former will be burned up, but the latter will remain. What remains is the reward we will get from the Lord. If all has been burned up, the person will be saved as of by fire. There will be those who made their decision for Christ, but remained one talent Christians who build just wood, hay, and stubble on the foundation. They will suffer loss, but will be saved.

I don't believe in the Arminian view that one can be saved today and lost tomorrow. That is faith in personal works and not faith in what Christ has done for us on the Cross. The Scripture is quite clear that we are saved by the grace of God, and the righteousness of Christ is given to us as a free gift, not of works lest any should boast. We are not saved or lost according to our works. An unbeliever is lost because he refuses the Gospel and turns his back on the grace of God. A believer is saved, but can suffer loss if he builds his life on wrong theologies, humanism, faith in experiences and feelings, instead of faith in Christ through obedience to Gods written Word. Basing faith in God's written Word and His promises builds up treasure in heaven which will pass through God's fire undamaged and the believer will receive his reward from Christ.

 

[Christian Soldier]

If a person has genuinely embraced Christ, he or she is born again of the Spirit of God. Once eternal life is received, it cannot be lost. That is the foundation. But Paul says that that once the foundation is laid, it is important what we build on it. It depends on how we live the Christian life; whether we build wood, hay, or stubble, or precious stones, gold, or silver. The former will be burned up, but the latter will remain. What remains is the reward we will get from the Lord. If all has been burned up, the person will be saved as of by fire. There will be those who made their decision for Christ, but remained one talent Christians who build just wood, hay, and stubble on the foundation. They will suffer loss, but will be saved.

I don't believe in the Arminian view that one can be saved today and lost tomorrow. That is faith in personal works and not faith in what Christ has done for us on the Cross. The Scripture is quite clear that we are saved by the grace of God, and the righteousness of Christ is given to us as a free gift, not of works lest any should boast. We are not saved or lost according to our works. An unbeliever is lost because he refuses the Gospel and turns his back on the grace of God. A believer is saved, but can suffer loss if he builds his life on wrong theologies, humanism, faith in experiences and feelings, instead of faith in Christ through obedience to Gods written Word. Basing faith in God's written Word and His promises builds up treasure in heaven which will pass through God's fire undamaged and the believer will receive his reward from Christ.

• The Foundation is Christ: The core of the passage (1 Corinthians 3:10-15) emphasizes that the only true foundation for faith and the church is Jesus Christ.
• The Nature of "Works": The "works" refer to the quality of the service, teaching, and actions that a Christian builds upon that foundation during their life (metaphorically described as "gold, silver, precious stones" for good works and "wood, hay, straw" for poor or worthless works).
• The "Fire" is a Test of Quality: The "fire" is not a reference to purgatory (a Roman Catholic doctrine that Reformed theology rejects) but rather a metaphor for the final judgment or the "Day" of the Lord, which will test the quality of each person's work.
• Salvation is by Grace Alone: The fact that the person "himself will be saved" underscores the tenet of sola gratia (grace alone) and sola fide (faith alone)*. Salvation is secure for those who have put their faith in Christ as the foundation, regardless of the quality of all their works.
• Loss of Reward, Not Salvation: If a person's works are found to be worthless (burned up), they will "suffer loss" of rewards or "wages," but not the loss of their salvation itself.
• "Saved as Through Fire": This phrase is an idiom for a narrow escape, like someone barely fleeing a burning building. It emphasizes that while salvation is secure, the experience of having one's life's work revealed as of little value will be a painful "loss".
• There will be different rewards in heaven, as you rightly stated, those who returned the one talent will receive a small reward and they will be seated in the back row of tables at the heavenly feast. Likewise, those who's deeds were exceedingly evil, will suffer more fire in the pits of hell, and those who sinned less will receive lesser forms of punishment.

 

[Taken]

Is it possible to lose salvation?

YES!

By never Heartfully Believing the Gift was bought, paid for, for you.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Rockerduck]

Its Impossible to loose something you did not pay for and to give back. Man is not God that he can throw away the free gift of God that only God is sovereign in His choice to give, and God's promises are forever.

 

[Taken]

Its Impossible to loose something you did not pay for and to give back.

Any Gift bought and paid for you…
Is a Gift that is already YOURS.

If you do Not believe the Gift Exists…
If you Do NOT Accept / Take the Gift…
You do not Possess the Gift.

There is NO Force of God MAKING a man Accept His Gift Offering.

Two Ways a man can Receive Gods Gift Offering of Salvation….

Each REQUIRES an accounted Bodily Death.

* A man desiring to Receive his GIFT, NOW, can do so…
By calling on the Lord…
By his WORD, CONFESS his true Heartful Belief.
By willingly laid down his Bodily Life, Crucified with Jesus’ Body.
Christ Jesus, shall thus Save that mans soul
AND
Redeem (Raise up his glorified body…
Rapture.

Or

Heartfully Believe at the moment of his Mortal physical death.
God shall save his soul
AND
Redeem (Raise up his glorified body…
First (mass) Resurrection.

Man is not God that he can throw away the free gift of God that only God is sovereign in His choice to give, and God's promises are forever.

Man absolutely can refuse a Gift from anyone, Including The Lord God Almighty.

(Some false teaching) —->( that a man CAN receive salvation, then lose that gift…
False ^

A man Can NOT receive Gods Gift of Salvation AND then Reject Gods Gift…
The Gift is Given AFTER a bodily Death…

And then what, a man comes back to life to Reject / lose his gift ? (No)

No, the dead (body) knows nothing …

A man who is ( bodily accounted dead, crucified with Jesus, thereafter LIVES IN Christ Jesus’ Risen Body )…
Called…”IN” Christ.


Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Rockerduck]

Any Gift bought and paid for you…
Is a Gift that is already YOURS.

If you do Not believe the Gift Exists…
If you Do NOT Accept / Take the Gift…
You do not Possess the Gift.

There is NO Force of God MAKING a man Accept His Gift Offering.

Two Ways a man can Receive Gods Gift Offering of Salvation….

Each REQUIRES an accounted Bodily Death.

* A man desiring to Receive his GIFT, NOW, can do so…
By calling on the Lord…
By his WORD, CONFESS his true Heartful Belief.
By willingly laid down his Bodily Life, Crucified with Jesus’ Body.
Christ Jesus, shall thus Save that mans soul
AND
Redeem (Raise up his glorified body…
Rapture.

Or

Heartfully Believe at the moment of his Mortal physical death.
God shall save his soul
AND
Redeem (Raise up his glorified body…
First (mass) Resurrection.



Man absolutely can refuse a Gift from anyone, Including The Lord God Almighty.

(Some false teaching) —->( that a man CAN receive salvation, then lose that gift…
False ^

A man Can NOT receive Gods Gift of Salvation AND then Reject Gods Gift…
The Gift is Given AFTER a bodily Death…

And then what, a man comes back to life to Reject / lose his gift ? (No)

No, the dead (body) knows nothing …

A man who is ( bodily accounted dead, crucified with Jesus, thereafter LIVES IN Christ Jesus’ Risen Body )…
Called…”IN” Christ.


Glory to God,
Taken

Man is not equal to God, we are weak in comparison. Even a Christian doesn't know how to pray to God, the Holy Spirit prays for us Romans 8:26 - In the same way the Spirit also helps our weakness; for we do not know how to pray as we should, but the Spirit Himself intercedes for us with groanings too deep for words;

You see, the Holy Spirit tells God how we feel and if God say no, I have a purpose in him, then he will be like Jonah. But ultimately I cannot for the life of me believe anyone would give up eternity in heaven for a temporary life in a world controlled by the devil . I'd give everything up and live under a bridge, but I'd never deny Jesus who saved me.

 

[gpresdo]

I understand that.
It was to show that only the bible is to be the authority and NOT the church, which was the CC at the time.
Some practices of the CC were, in fact, not biblical.

To pursue which faith Wrangler?
Is there more than one?

IF Sola scriptura functioned well, then we'd all be in agreement as to whether or not salvation can be forfeited.
But we're not.

So who is right?

There cannot be two truths, as you well know.

I can have my own private truth...but it will not be the objective truth, but only my version of it.

There are members on here posting unchristian beliefs and yet they define themselves as Christian.
This is wrong.

Christianity must have a meaning that is the same for everyone.

I don't claim to know the solution for this since not only we, here, face this problem, but theologians themselves have differing opinions. I say opinions because if there is not one clear truth...we're speaking of opinion.



The above is for Behold....
but read John 15:2.
What can be more clear?
And yet it is dismissed by Behold and those that believe as he does.

R u speaking OSAS granted by Jesus after physical death or...OSAS as applied to the point by the ...new age religion group.... after repentance and baptism here on earth?
Former.....yes.
Latter....no.






Later...yes...no one can touch our status of saved,

 

[Behold]

Its not possible to Lose Jesus, once He is in you, as He is our Salvation.

In Fact there are no born again Christians in Hell, and there are no Christ rejectors in Heaven.
IN both cases....Not now, not ever.
In fact, if a Born again Christian went to Hell, then Jesus, God, and the Holy Spirit would go there with them, because the Believer is "the temple of the Holy Spirit" and Jesus is "Christ in you".. .and God is "in Christ" who is in every born again believer.

"Christ in you, the hope of Glory".....(Glory is Heaven).

Paul teaches that the only proof you are saved, is not if you try to "act out" some religious actor's idea regarding how Jesus behaved as your religious role playing game.
But rather that the Spirit of God is inside you....."sealed unto the day of redemption". (or for as long as God lives).

Remember that Jesus said that if we believe in Him, then He'll "give you eternal life and you shall never go to Hell (Perish)"".
If He's lying then go ahead and continue to believe that you can "lose it".. .but If Jesus is not lying then you are when you try to prove you can "lose it"...so, you need to correct yourself, asap.

Also, If you choose to contine to insult The Cross by teaching that God's Salvation who is Jesus on The Cross... is only as effective as your commandment keeping and your behavior on any given day, then hopefully Heb 12:6 will fall on you very very soon, and once you recover after the "season of instruction" turns you loose....., you'll stop sharing these type of religious lies on "christian forums".. that attempt to not only discredit the Blood of Jesus, but also hope to confuse a believer and ruin their faith in Christ.

Now, the proof that the Beliveer has God's "gift of eternal life"...is if they are born again.......as being born again places you "in Christ".. as "one with God", as "seated in Heavenly Places".... forever.

Another verse teaches that ""as Jesus IS.....so are the born again in THIS world".

Now, how did THAT happen?

Jesus said....>"you must be BORN AGAIN".. and when you are BORN agaIn by the Holy Spirit, this means that God's Holy Spirit has birthed you "IN CHRIST"... and "In" means" "joined spiritually as ONE" with the Living Lord and God Himself... And that means that the Holy Spirit has birthed the believers spirit into God's Spirit by the Holy Spirit........This is defined by the NT by PAUL, as being born again as a "new Creation" "in Christ" having become "one with God".

Reader, .."In Christ" means "born again into God's Spirit by the Holy Spirit", and this is the only actual proof anyone has become a Christian, as all the other stuff....can be performed by "Play acting" = lost people who are very religious, and often water baptized.
Now, you can pretend you are, while not actually knowing what it means and these types keep some forums in the unfortunate position of '"hosting heretics", unless this is prevented by moderation that is more conserned with pleasing God then mostly trying to keep the arguing about "OSAS" and "Losing Salvation" .....down to a modest carnal roar.

Also, We find that self righteous people who ran right by The Cross of Christ while chasing Moses law and commandments, all believe that they can "lose their salvation"....= which literally reveals that these hyper religious people have absolutely no understanding of what it actually means to be saved by the Blood and Death of Jesus based strictly on "Justifcation by Faith".. They literally have no understanding of "Grace through Faith"... whatsoever regarding what Christ has ETERNALLY accomplished on The Cross.
And of course they have no idea at all regarding what it means to be eterally born again.
These religious hacks would want to argue that God's ""gift of eternal life" is only temporary , unless the person's self effort maintains it eternally by confessing sin, while trying to be like Jesus, while chasing Moses Law and Commandments.

 

[PeterAndroz]

Its not possible to Lose Jesus, once He is in you, as He is our Salvation.

"Christ in you, the hope of Glory".....(Glory is Heaven).

Paul teaches that the only proof you are saved, is not if you try to "act out" some religious actor's idea regarding how Jesus behaved as your religious role playing game.
But rather that the Spirit of God is inside you....."sealed unto the day of redemption". (or for as long as God lives).

Remember that Jesus said that if we believe in Him, then He'll "give you eternal life and you shall never go to Hell (Perish)"".
If He's lying then go ahead and continue to believe that you can "lose it".. .but If Jesus is not lying then you are when you try to prove you can "lose it"...so, you need to correct yourself, asap.
If you choose to contine to insult The Cross by teaching that God's salvation is only as good as your commandment keeping and your behavior, then hopefully Heb 12:6 will fall on you very very soon, and once you recover after the "season of instruction" turns you loose....., you'll stop sharing these type of religious lies on "christian forums".. that attempt to not only discredit the Blood of Jesus, but also hope to confuse a believer and ruin their faith in Christ.

Now, the proof that the Beliveer has God's "gift of eternal life"...is if they are born again.......as being born again places you "in Christ".. as "one with God", as "seated in Heavenly Places".... forever.

Another verse teaches that ""as Jesus IS.....so are the born again in THIS world".

Now, how did THAT happen?

Jesus said....>"you must be BORN AGAIN".. and when you are BORN agaIn by the Holy Spirit, this means that God's Holy Spirit has birthed you "IN CHRIST"... and "In" means" "joined spiritually as ONE" with the Living Lord and God Himself... And that means that the Holy Spirit has birthed the believers spirit into God's Spirit by the Holy Spirit........This is defined as being born again as a "new Creation" "in Christ" having become "one with God".

Reacer, .."In Christ" means "born again into God's Spirit by the Holy Spirit", and this is the only actual proof anyone has become a Christian, as all the other stuff....can be performed by "Play acting" = lost people who are very religious, and often water baptized.
Now, you can pretend you are, while not actually knowing what it means and these types keep forums in the unfortuate position of '"hosting heretics", unless this is prevented.

Also, We find that people who are chasing law and commandments, and believe that they can "lose their salvation"......have no understanding of what it actually means to be saved. They have no understanding regarding what Christ has accomplished on The Cross, and of course they have no idea at all regarding what it means to be born again.

To become UNsaved today a Eph 1:13, Eph 4:30 sealed believer must become UNsealed.
There are no verses from Paul that teaches that can happen today

 

[Behold]

To become UNsaved today a Eph 1:13, Eph 4:30 sealed believer must become UNsealed.
There are no verses from Paul that teaches that can happen today

Being born again can't be stopped, ended, or remitted because its a ETERNAL BIRTH in the Spirit.

A.) You can't stop being born again....exactly as you can't cause it......and its the same with Salvation.

And some wide eyed heretic says.....>"but what if i walk away from my faith".

A.) Ok but you cant stop being in Christ, as this is a Spirtuai Birth that has already happened because GOD. has already accepted your faith and will "himself be faithfuld to complete" your Salvation.
Phil 1:6

"but what if .......what if......what if.....what if.........what if"........

A.) You can't stop being born again., and being born again is the ONLY REAL PROOF OF SALVATiON, as being born again proves it has happened.

Works dont prove spiritual birth....works prove faith......James teaches.
So then, What proves you are a become a REAL Christian???

A.) Jesus answered it.. He said.....>"you must be BORN AGAIN"., as that is the genuine heavenly proof of SALVATION = that is found on earth every time someone is BORN AGAIN .......as we are born again to eternally exit with God And Christ, as "one".

You can't stop being born again., and being water baptized is NOT how you become born again., tho the Mary Cult and many protestant branches of this dark and demonic religious system will tell you that water saves you.
And if that is True, then go and take a Hot Shower, as you've just been saved again.

C'mon, Think, or the Cults will get your mind and you'll never get it back, reader.

 

[CTK]

Its Impossible to loose something you did not pay for and to give back. Man is not God that he can throw away the free gift of God that only God is sovereign in His choice to give, and God's promises are forever.

Please consider:

I do not believe Scripture supports the idea that a person can come to Christ and then live in permanent rebellion with no danger to his salvation.

Jesus said, “If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered” (John 15:6). He also said, “He who endures to the end shall be saved” (Matthew 24:13). In the parable of the sower, Jesus described some who “believe for a while” and then fall away in time of testing (Luke 8:13).

Paul gives the same warning. In Romans 11, he tells Gentile believers that they stand by faith, but if they do not continue, they also will be cut off. In Galatians 5:4, he speaks of people who have “fallen from grace.” In Colossians 1:23, he says believers are reconciled if they continue in the faith.

Hebrews is even more direct. Hebrews 3 warns brethren not to develop an evil heart of unbelief in departing from the living God. Hebrews 6 speaks of those who were enlightened, tasted the heavenly gift, became partakers of the Holy Spirit, and then fell away. Hebrews 10 warns about those who were sanctified by the blood of the covenant but later trample the Son of God underfoot.

Peter also says that some escape the pollution of the world through the knowledge of Christ, but then become entangled again, and their latter end is worse than the beginning.

So I believe salvation is by grace through faith, not by human works. But Scripture repeatedly warns believers to continue, abide, endure, and not turn away. These warnings are real, not empty. We are saved by faith, but saving faith must remain living faith.

 

[CTK]

Its Impossible to loose something you did not pay for and to give back. Man is not God that he can throw away the free gift of God that only God is sovereign in His choice to give, and God's promises are forever.

Please consider:


John 15:5–6
“I am the vine, you are the branches… If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire.”

This is one of the clearest. Jesus speaks of a branch in Him that does not continue to abide and is cast away.

Matthew 24:12–13
“Because lawlessness will abound, the love of many will grow cold. But he who endures to the end shall be saved.”

Jesus connects final salvation with enduring to the end.

Luke 8:13
“These have no root, who believe for a while and in time of temptation fall away.”

In the parable of the sower, Jesus describes people who “believe for a while” and then fall aw

Romans 11:20–22
“Because of unbelief they were broken off, and you stand by faith. Do not be haughty, but fear… if you do not continue in His goodness, you also will be cut off.”

Paul warns Gentile believers that they stand by faith and can be cut off if they do not continue.

1 Corinthians 9:27

“I discipline my body and bring it into subjection, lest, when I have preached to others, I myself should become disqualified.”

Paul himself speaks seriously about the danger of being disqualified.

1 Corinthians 10:12
“Therefore let him who thinks he stands take heed lest he fall.”

Paul warns believers not to presume.

Galatians 5:4
“You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.”

“Fallen from grace” is very difficult to explain if falling away is impossible.

Colossians 1:21–23
“He has reconciled… if indeed you continue in the faith, grounded and steadfast, and are not moved away from the hope of the gospel.”

Paul connects reconciliation with continuing in the faith.

1 Timothy 4:1
“Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith…”

One cannot “depart from the faith” unless one had some real connection to it.

1 Timothy 5:12
“Having condemnation because they have cast off their first faith.”

This directly speaks of casting off a former faith.

Hebrews 3:12–14
“Beware, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief in departing from the living God… For we have become partakers of Christ if we hold the beginning of our confidence steadfast to the end.”

This is a major passage. It warns “brethren” against departing from God.

Hebrews 6:4–6
"For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit… if they fall away, to renew them again to repentance…”

This is one of the strongest warnings in the New Testament.

Hebrews 10:26–29
“If we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins…”

It speaks of someone who was “sanctified” by the blood of the covenant and then tramples the Son of God underfoot.

2 Peter 2:20–22
“For if, after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the latter end is worse for them than the beginning.”

Peter says they escaped through knowledge of Christ, then became entangled again.

Old Testament principle

Ezekiel 18:24
“But when a righteous man turns away from his righteousness and commits iniquity… shall he live? All the righteousness which he has done shall not be remembered…”

Ezekiel 33:18
“When the righteous turns from his righteousness and commits iniquity, he shall die because of it.”

These passages show the principle clearly: a righteous person can turn away.