"Before Abraham Was, I AM"

[saved by grace 101]

SEE THIS BRETHREN IN CHRIST:

Look at how saved by grace 101 tries... to change what the Hebrews 1:8 verse states, which is a quote from Psalms 45:6-7 about Christ's future reign...

Heb 1:8-9
8 But unto the Son He saith, "Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of Thy kingdom.
9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even Thy God, hath anointed Thee with the oil of gladness above Thy fellows.
KJV

That phrase "Thy throne, O God" is The FATHER saying that to The Son Jesus Christ, calling Christ as God.

But saved by grace 101 attempts vainly to REMOVE that part, and instead claim The Father was only speaking that "O God" about HIMSELF, simply because of the existence in the next verse of that "therefore God, even Thy God" phrase, pointing to The Father as Christ's God.

But thank God He gave us MANY OTHER BIBLE WITNESSES that "O God" Title The Father said to Christ Jesus is indeed meant for Jesus Christ as written. The subject of Psalms 45 and Hebrews 1 makes this obvious. And yet the Matthew 1:23 Scripture defining Christ's Title of "Emmanuel" to mean "God with us" is even MORE Biblical proof to support this Hebrews 1:8 phrase "O God" applies to Jesus Christ.

And the unbelieving JEWS even have Old Testament Scripture proving The Christ as God in that Isaiah 9:6-7 Scripture which uses the Titles "The mighty God, The everlasting Father" applied to the child referred to back in Isaiah 7:14 that was to be born of a virgin, i.e., Jesus Christ!

In my PREVIOUS POSTS here, I have given MORE THAN ONE BIBLE SCRIPTURE EXAMPLE to show Christ Jesus' place in the triune Godhead of 3 Persons, The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit. And saved by grace 101 steers away from those Bible witnesses that Christ is God.

What I actually wrote:

''''I know you have to deflect from answering my question concerning this anyway you can, but even so, you don't have to bear false witness do you? In a previous post I said in that verse. I will repeat it. In Heb 1:8 GOD REFERS TO CHRIST WITH THE TITLE GOD. In the next verse God states he is Christ's God. So, if Christ is titled the one true God, who is the God of the one true omnipotent God? Will you answer? I very much doubt it'''

 

[Davy]

My oh my obviously no point in chatting to you anymore, deliberately misstating what I wrote, have you no shame?

Whadda' ya' know, you finally got tired of being shown HOW WRONG you are in Bible Scripture interpretation!

If there's anyone that ought... to feel embarrassed in this thread, it definitely should be you and keithr for INTENTIONALLY trying to mislead away from the actual Bible Scriptures as written.

 

[amigo de christo]

It's a small g?

So which god is 2 Cor 4:4 referring to?

Let us rather ask him this as well .
Would anyone here DARE to call themselves the ALPHA and OMEGA . which means FIRST and THE LAST .
Go on , stand up and declare it unto thineself . YA didn tthink so .
That title alone BELONGS and BELONGED to GOD ALL MIGHTY .
YET JESUS calls HIMSELF the FIRST and the LAST .
why is that
Because in the beginning was THE WORD ....................
The WORD was not only WITH GOD
the WORD was GOD .
But go ahead . Ask him , ask this man if he be THE FIRST AND THE LAST .
now if he says HE is , I WOULD BREAK ALL COMPANY from such a man . cause IT WOULD BE TOTAL BLASPHEMY .
YET JESUS said I AM THE FIRST and THE LAST . no angel would dare utter such words about itself .
HECK the angel told JOHN
GET UP , GET UP , YOU WORSHIP GOD ONLY
BUT i didnt see JESUS say or tell thomas such a thing .
AND i also didnt SEE JESUS tell all them who threw their crowns before HIS FEET
TO cease , get up and WORSHIP GOD . this people has no idea who they are accusing of being a liar
an , I AINT if you will . I shudder for such folks . I really do .

 

[saved by grace 101]

Whadda' ya' know, you finally got tired of being shown HOW WRONG you are in Bible Scripture interpretation!

If there's anyone that ought... to feel embarrassed in this thread, it definitely should be you and keithr for INTENTIONALLY trying to mislead away from the actual Bible Scriptures as written.

I can honestly say, in 17 years on these kinds of websites, you are the most immature person I have come accross

 

[Davy]

I can honestly say, in 17 years on these kinds of websites, you are the most immature person I have come accross

A truly immature person would mistake Biblical IN-accuracy for the real Truth as written in God's Word. But you have not even shown that... kind of immaturity; you instead push Biblical inaccuracy ON PURPOSE TO DECEIVE.

 

[JustMe]

Not both spirits . THERE be only ONE SPIRIT . THE SPIRIT OF GOD ALL MIGHTY HIMSELF
The Spirit of CHRIST . one Spirit . other than that , the rest was lovely .

Yes, there is only One Spirit, that of God. Although this One Spirit is present throughout all of creation, including his Son and us, it is like a spiritual thread woven into all living beings made in his image.

When the Spirit of God gave us the spirit of his Son, who is not God but an immortalized human spirit, we receive two spirits for the price of one. They always work together today, and every human believer should unite with them as a team of two spirits within the ONE Spirit of God.

God's Spirit is the sole source of all spirits in creation. He dwells in the spirit of his Son, and since we have the spirit of the Son within us, we also possess the source of all spirits, God's Spirit. I hope this is clear to you.

There are scriptures you likely know that speak about this process of spirit distribution, which is sourced and given by the one God and ONE Spirit.

 

[amigo de christo]

Yes, there is only One Spirit, that of God. Although this One Spirit is present throughout all of creation, including his Son and us, it is like a spiritual thread woven into all living beings made in his image.

When the Spirit of God gave us the spirit of his Son, who is not God but an immortalized human spirit, we receive two spirits for the price of one. They always work together today, and every human believer should unite with them as a team of two spirits within the ONE Spirit of God.

God's Spirit is the sole source of all spirits in creation. He dwells in the spirit of his Son, and since we have the spirit of the Son within us, we also possess the source of all spirits, God's Spirit. I hope this is clear to you.

There are scriptures you likely know that speak about this process of spirit distribution, which is sourced and given by the one God and ONE Spirit.

GOD IS HIS WORD . never forget that . Though the FATHER is greater .
The WORD does only that which was spoken , nothing more and nothing less .
But watch out and attack not the diety of CHRIST . just beware that my friend .
I do understand that the Godhead can be hard to grasp .
But what we do not want TO DO is , NEVER change the scrips .
AND IT DOES SAY THE WORD was GOD . so leave that alone . We lack understanding . But lets not change what is written
To try and make it make sense .

 

[JustMe]

Yes, there is only One Spirit, that of God. Although this One Spirit is present throughout all of creation, including his Son and us, it is like a spiritual thread woven into all living beings made in his image.

When the Spirit of God gave us the spirit of his Son, who is not God but an immortalized human spirit, we receive two spirits for the price of one. They always work together today, and every human believer should unite with them as a team of two spirits within the ONE Spirit of God.

God's Spirit is the sole source of all spirits in creation. He dwells in the spirit of his Son, and since we have the spirit of the Son within us, we also possess the source of all spirits, God's Spirit. I hope this is clear to you.

There are scriptures you likely know that speak about this process of spirit distribution, which is sourced and given by the one God and ONE Spirit.

@amigo de christo, I'm surprised you don't read your Bible that much. because you are sad you cannot find numerous applicable scripture that speaks to my post: then let me enlighten you..

(1Ti 2:5) For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,
Equals two spirits of the one Spirit of God

(Rom 8:9) " But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone has not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. "
Equals two spirits of the one Spirit of God

(Gal 4:6) And because you are sons, God sent the Spirit of His Son into our hearts, crying, Abba, Father.
Equals two spirits of the one Spirit of God

(Joh 14:20) In that day, you shall truly know that I am in my Father, and you in me and I in you.
Equals two spirits of the one Spirit of God

(Joh 17:21) that they may all be one, even as You, Father, are in me and I in You, that they may also be one in us; that the world may believe You did send me.
Equals two spirits of the one Spirit of God

(Joh 17:22) And the glory which You have given me, I have given to them, that they may be one, even as we are one.
Equals two spirits of the one Spirit of God

(Joh 17:23) I in them and You in me, that they may be perfected into one, that the world may know You did send me and that You have loved them just as You loved me.
Equals two spirits of the one Spirit of God

(Col 3:3) For you died, and your life is hid with Christ in God.
Equals two spirits of the one Spirit of God

(1Jn 4:13) Hereby we know that we abide in him and He in us, because He has given us of his Spirit.
Equals two spirits of the one Spirit of God

Re- read my previous post to you, as it should now make sense.

 

[amigo de christo]

@amigo de christo, I'm surprised you don't read your Bible that much. because you are sad you cannot find numerous applicable scripture that speaks to my post: then let me enlighten you..

(1Ti 2:5) For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,
Equals two spirits of the one Spirit of God

(Rom 8:9) " But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone has not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. "
Equals two spirits of the one Spirit of God

(Gal 4:6) And because you are sons, God sent the Spirit of His Son into our hearts, crying, Abba, Father.
Equals two spirits of the one Spirit of God

(Joh 14:20) In that day, you shall truly know that I am in my Father, and you in me and I in you.
Equals two spirits of the one Spirit of God

(Joh 17:21) that they may all be one, even as You, Father, are in me and I in You, that they may also be one in us; that the world may believe You did send me.
Equals two spirits of the one Spirit of God

(Joh 17:22) And the glory which You have given me, I have given to them, that they may be one, even as we are one.
Equals two spirits of the one Spirit of God

(Joh 17:23) I in them and You in me, that they may be perfected into one, that the world may know You did send me and that You have loved them just as You loved me.
Equals two spirits of the one Spirit of God

(Col 3:3) For you died, and your life is hid with Christ in God.
Equals two spirits of the one Spirit of God

(1Jn 4:13) Hereby we know that we abide in him and He in us, because He has given us of his Spirit.
Equals two spirits of the one Spirit of God

Re- read my previous post to you, as it should now make sense.

Lets take heed to your first sentence again .
You said amigo i am suprised you do not read your bible that much .
How often and how much do you recommend i read it .
Give me an idea of what you think would help me . How often and for how long should i read it .
give me an idea .

 

[amigo de christo]

@amigo de christo, I'm surprised you don't read your Bible that much. because you are sad you cannot find numerous applicable scripture that speaks to my post: then let me enlighten you..

(1Ti 2:5) For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,
Equals two spirits of the one Spirit of God

(Rom 8:9) " But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone has not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. "
Equals two spirits of the one Spirit of God

(Gal 4:6) And because you are sons, God sent the Spirit of His Son into our hearts, crying, Abba, Father.
Equals two spirits of the one Spirit of God

(Joh 14:20) In that day, you shall truly know that I am in my Father, and you in me and I in you.
Equals two spirits of the one Spirit of God

(Joh 17:21) that they may all be one, even as You, Father, are in me and I in You, that they may also be one in us; that the world may believe You did send me.
Equals two spirits of the one Spirit of God

(Joh 17:22) And the glory which You have given me, I have given to them, that they may be one, even as we are one.
Equals two spirits of the one Spirit of God

(Joh 17:23) I in them and You in me, that they may be perfected into one, that the world may know You did send me and that You have loved them just as You loved me.
Equals two spirits of the one Spirit of God

(Col 3:3) For you died, and your life is hid with Christ in God.
Equals two spirits of the one Spirit of God

(1Jn 4:13) Hereby we know that we abide in him and He in us, because He has given us of his Spirit.
Equals two spirits of the one Spirit of God

Re- read my previous post to you, as it should now make sense.

actually it means one spirit . The Spirit of GOD , the Spirit of Christ that is in us . ONE SPIRIT my friend .
But i am very interested in your advice about reading the bible .
I think that sounds like a good idea . How often and how long do you suggest i read it .

 

[JustMe]

Lets take heed to your first sentence again .
You said amigo i am suprised you do not read your bible that much .
How often and how much do you recommend i read it .
Give me an idea of what you think would help me . How often and for how long should i read it .
give me an idea .

Well then, I believe you must agree with the scripture I gave you as you did not comment on it.

You know if and how much you read scripture, not I. And you must know why I made the comment already. You are most probably annoyed I brought it up. It is a subject of great important. I would not get too upset over it if you already understand the subject I raised. What have you lost, a bit of pride...

 

[amigo de christo]

Well then, I believe you must agree with the scripture I gave you as you did not comment on it.

You know if and how much you read scripture, not I. And you must know why I made the comment already. You are most probably annoyed I brought it up. It is a subject of great important. I would not get too upset over it if you already understand the subject I raised. What have you lost, a bit of pride...

Not in the least .
You brought up a solution . You said i must not be reading the bible .
So i simply asked a question .
How much and how often should i be reading it .
You may answer . its just a question . You brought a solution . i aint arguring against it .
I think it sounds like a good idea .
SO how often and how long s hould i read it my friend . If a man is asking for advice
and not fighting , HOW hard is it for you to answer his question . I agree , I sh ould be reading my bible
So give me an idea .

 

[XtraPercept]

@amigo de christo, I'm surprised you don't read your Bible that much. because you are sad you cannot find numerous applicable scripture that speaks to my post: then let me enlighten you..

(1Ti 2:5) For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,
Equals two spirits of the one Spirit of God

(Rom 8:9) " But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone has not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. "
Equals two spirits of the one Spirit of God

(Gal 4:6) And because you are sons, God sent the Spirit of His Son into our hearts, crying, Abba, Father.
Equals two spirits of the one Spirit of God

(Joh 14:20) In that day, you shall truly know that I am in my Father, and you in me and I in you.
Equals two spirits of the one Spirit of God

(Joh 17:21) that they may all be one, even as You, Father, are in me and I in You, that they may also be one in us; that the world may believe You did send me.
Equals two spirits of the one Spirit of God

(Joh 17:22) And the glory which You have given me, I have given to them, that they may be one, even as we are one.
Equals two spirits of the one Spirit of God

(Joh 17:23) I in them and You in me, that they may be perfected into one, that the world may know You did send me and that You have loved them just as You loved me.
Equals two spirits of the one Spirit of God

(Col 3:3) For you died, and your life is hid with Christ in God.
Equals two spirits of the one Spirit of God

(1Jn 4:13) Hereby we know that we abide in him and He in us, because He has given us of his Spirit.
Equals two spirits of the one Spirit of God

Re- read my previous post to you, as it should now make sense.

You do well to recognize a duality of Deity without venturing into trinity, but from what spirit do you draw to present this truth? I suggest aversion to the accusative assay, dodging diminishment in your delivery, and livening it up with levity and love.

But who am I to say anything? I just recognize skill.

 

[JustMe]

Not in the least .
You brought up a solution . You said i must not be reading the bible .
So i simply asked a question .
How much and how often should i be reading it .
You may answer . its just a question . You brought a solution . i aint arguring against it .
I think it sounds like a good idea .
SO how often and how long s hould i read it my friend . If a man is asking for advice
and not fighting , HOW hard is it for you to answer his question . I agree , I sh ould be reading my bible
So give me an idea .

Alright, so now you want to shift the topic to focus on my reaction to your sad expression. It has really come to this point.

As I mentioned, I'm surprised you don't read your Bible more often, since you're upset that you can't find many relevant scriptures that relate to my post (a solid guess on my part).

You took offense at that comment, and I have to add now, that if you had read scripture for its meaning, you might not have responded the way you did regarding the topic of the one Spirit of God.

I'll leave it to you to figure out, and let your conscience guide you regarding your understating of scripture. As I said, you only truly understand what you make of scripture. From my perspective, you don't seem to grasp scripture's meaning well in many areas.

 

[GodsGrace]

SEE THIS BRETHREN IN CHRIST:

Look at how saved by grace 101 tries... to change what the Hebrews 1:8 verse states, which is a quote from Psalms 45:6-7 about Christ's future reign...

Heb 1:8-9
8 But unto the Son He saith, "Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of Thy kingdom.
9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even Thy God, hath anointed Thee with the oil of gladness above Thy fellows.
KJV

That phrase "Thy throne, O God" is The FATHER saying that to The Son Jesus Christ, calling Christ as God.

But saved by grace 101 attempts vainly to REMOVE that part, and instead claim The Father was only speaking that "O God" about HIMSELF, simply because of the existence in the next verse of that "therefore God, even Thy God" phrase, pointing to The Father as Christ's God.

But thank God He gave us MANY OTHER BIBLE WITNESSES that "O God" Title The Father said to Christ Jesus is indeed meant for Jesus Christ as written. The subject of Psalms 45 and Hebrews 1 makes this obvious. And yet the Matthew 1:23 Scripture defining Christ's Title of "Emmanuel" to mean "God with us" is even MORE Biblical proof to support this Hebrews 1:8 phrase "O God" applies to Jesus Christ.

And the unbelieving JEWS even have Old Testament Scripture proving The Christ as God in that Isaiah 9:6-7 Scripture which uses the Titles "The mighty God, The everlasting Father" applied to the child referred to back in Isaiah 7:14 that was to be born of a virgin, i.e., Jesus Christ!

In my PREVIOUS POSTS here, I have given MORE THAN ONE BIBLE SCRIPTURE EXAMPLE to show Christ Jesus' place in the triune Godhead of 3 Persons, The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit. And saved by grace 101 steers away from those Bible witnesses that Christ is God.

I laughed.
Psalm 45 proves Jesus is referred to as God and the other member used it to show He is not.

Kinda backfired on him.

 

[JustMe]

You do well to recognize a duality of Deity without venturing into trinity, but from what spirit do you draw to present this truth? I suggest aversion to the accusative assay, dodging diminishment in your delivery, and livening it up with levity and love.

But who am I to say anything? I just recognize skill.

I did like your post as far as and only up to your mention of dual deity. If you infer Binitarian - 2 gods, them I'm out. I'm strictly a Monotheist.

 

[XtraPercept]

I did like your post as far as and only up to your mention of dual deity. If you infer Binitarian - 2 gods, them I'm out. I'm strictly a Monotheist.

God is One. Jesus is His Son. I do not confuse Them, Their smile is my euphoria.

 

[GodsGrace]

Alright, so now you want to shift the topic to focus on my reaction to your sad expression. It has really come to this point.

As I mentioned, I'm surprised you don't read your Bible more often, since you're upset that you can't find many relevant scriptures that relate to my post (a solid guess on my part).

You took offense at that comment, and I have to add now, that if you had read scripture for its meaning, you might not have responded the way you did regarding the topic of the one Spirit of God.

I'll leave it to you to figure out, and let your conscience guide you regarding your understating of scripture. As I said, you only truly understand what you make of scripture. From my perspective, you don't seem to grasp scripture's meaning well in many areas.

You, a non-Christian, telling @amigo de christo , a Christian that knows Scripture backwards and forwards, to read the Bible, is truly a sight to behold.

You spew your poison,,,,and are blaspheming God while insulting His children.

There should be no further response to you or your buddies.

 

[JustMe]

I laughed.
Psalm 45 proves Jesus is referred to as God and the other member used it to show He is not.

Kinda backfired on him.

Are you quoting the foundation for Hebrews 1:8 and 9? And you remain there standing and laughing, truly mocking the one God, while Christ, His Son, is still not called the God of all, YHWH.

What does Hebrews 1:9b say again? "...therefore God, your God, has anointed you with the oil of gladness above your companions..."

So, do you perceive with spiritual insight from Hebrews 1:8b that the Son is never YHWH and that YHWH is never anointed? Or will you continue to waste time arguing your unreasonable axiom and premise endlessly?

It's a fool's errand you know?

(Psa 45:6) Your throne, God, is forever and ever. A sceptre of equity is the sceptre of your kingdom.

(Psa 45:7) You have loved righteousness, and hated wickedness; therefore God, even your God, has anointed you with the oil of gladness above your fellows.

(Heb 1:8) But of the Son He said: Your throne, O Mighty One, is for ever and ever, and the sceptre of your kingdom is a sceptre of uprightness.

(Heb 1:9) You have loved righteousness and hated iniquity; therefore God, your God, has anointed you with the oil of gladness above your fellows.

 

[saved by grace 101]

I did like your post as far as and only up to your mention of dual deity. If you infer Binitarian - 2 gods, them I'm out. I'm strictly a Monotheist.

When I first joined internet debating websites at the tender age of fifty, I entered a thread entitled did Jesus claim to be God when he walked this earth? In my innocence I left a simple message. 'No he didn't' I immediatley got pounced on by a pentecostal telling me I was misleading people. He then hounded me around the website for two weeks demanding I discuss the subject with him. To say I was stunned is not an overstatement. In going to various trinitarian denominational churches for over forty years, I had never once heard it stated from pulpit Christ is God himself, let alone you must believe it to inherit eternal life
I rang a friend who had also been to trinitarian churches for forty years, and asked him if he'd ever heard it stated from the pulpit. He hadn't either.
The internet is a strange place at times