"Before Abraham Was, I AM"

[XtraPercept]

What makes you think the other member is upset?
Or confused...or any of the other adjectives you also used on me.

The other member is not upset...he's al cool as can be.

We just do not agree with you XtraPercept.

It is a pattern of expressions from falsehood to resort to accusation in the face of truth (e.g. 'you're just wrong! you're bad and wrong! go away, we don't like you!') despite any actual word of offense or effective counter-reasoning on behalf of the status quo.

It may be the mere presence of a higher meaning which offends those who prefer the base. I did not anticipate agreement. I am here to share, to contend, and to practice the Word.

 

[amigo de christo]

Indeed
Jesus said there was only one TRUE God, the Father
He also said God was His God whilst on earth and when he'd returned to Heaven
Paul said we only have one God, the father and one Lord, Jesus Christ
Paul also stated though everything had been put under Christ it is clear this did not include God Himself
He also stated when everything had been defeated, including the last enemy death, Christ would be made subject to God
Should these verses, and others also be taken into consideration?

They are . SO when all things are put under HIS FEET .
HOW can GOD be UNDER THE WORD . THE WORD IS subject unto the FATHER .
And in time we will see this .
You aint proving JESUS is not GOD , HE IS THE WORD OF GOD .
HOW did GOD create the world .
What did HE DO .
HE SPOKE . HE said LET THERE BE LIGHT , THERE WAS LIGHT .
JESUS IS THE WORD that did create the LIGHT .
Notice EVERY TIME GOD SPOKE what was said was DONE , nothing more , nothig less .
JESUS IS THE VERY ESSENCE OF GOD HIMSELF , THE WORD of G OD .
GOD didnt create HIS WORD and THEN TELL HIS WORD to create .
NO SIR
HE SIMPLY SPOKE and what he said was created .
GOD created all things THROUGH HIS WORD , THROUGH JESUS CHRIST .
IT IS HIS OWN ESSENCE . HIS WORD IS SPIRIT AND IT IS LIFE , AS HE IS SPIRIT , AS HE IS LIFE .
hope that makes sense .

 

[lforrest]

Do you understand eternity and timelessness to be the same?
I'd say yes.
With eternity,,,time disappears - there is no "time".

Yes, I believe eternity is inherently timeless.

I think most would conceptualize eternity as being within time as we know it, just a very very long time.

 

[XtraPercept]

They are . SO when all things are put under HIS FEET .
HOW can GOD be UNDER THE WORD . THE WORD IS subject unto the FATHER .
And in time we will see this .
You aint proving JESUS is not GOD , HE IS THE WORD OF GOD .
HOW did GOD create the world .
What did HE DO .
HE SPOKE . HE said LET THERE BE LIGHT , THERE WAS LIGHT .
JESUS IS THE WORD that did create the LIGHT .
Notice EVERY TIME GOD SPOKE what was said was DONE , nothing more , nothig less .
JESUS IS THE VERY ESSENCE OF GOD HIMSELF , THE WORD of G OD .
GOD didnt create HIS WORD and THEN TELL HIS WORD to create .
NO SIR
HE SIMPLY SPOKE and what he said was created .
GOD created all things THROUGH HIS WORD , THROUGH JESUS CHRIST .
IT IS HIS OWN ESSENCE . HIS WORD IS SPIRIT AND IT IS LIFE , AS HE IS SPIRIT , AS HE IS LIFE .
hope that makes sense .

It doesn't make sense because you conflate the Father with the Son, you declare the pre-existence of chronologically manifest Messianic flesh, and you likely believe One is somehow three!

With beliefs like that it is no wonder you would dismiss my reasoning as carnal.

 

[XtraPercept]

Yes, I believe eternity is inherently timeless.

I think most would conceptualize eternity as being within time as we know it, just a very very long time.

But this is so backwards. Eternity is that which is outside time, which is God, so appropriately named the Eternal.

 

[amigo de christo]

Yes, I believe eternity is inherently timeless.

I think most would conceptualize eternity as being within time as we know it, just a very very long time.

Eternity is timeless . its a time we cannot comprehend
that has no beginning , it has no end , it always was .
We are mere humans conceptulize time as running from point a , a beginning .
YET the time k nown as enternity HAD NO BEGINNING and has no end .
ITS NOT LIKE time as we experience time . IT always was .
No starting point , no ending point . It can be complex .
But when i was given a tiny bit of understanding , Man it increased my faith even more .
I remember in kindergarten
sitting and thinking how did everything begin .
And what was before that , and then well what was before that .
I used to sit and wonder the same about space and what was outside of it
and then well something had to be outside of that .
And how did it begin and what was before that . And then what would have been before that .
I did not yet understand . But years and years later
AFTER coming to CHRIST , one day it suddenly became so clear .
TIME as we know it is a construct that appears
BUT TIME as GOD exists in , ALWAYS WAS .

 

[lforrest]

But this is so backwards. Eternity is that which is outside time, which is God, so appropriately named the Eternal.

I'm not an expert on what other people believe. It is by definition a carnal way of thinking, because it doesn't consider that our perspective may not represent reality.

 

[amigo de christo]

It doesn't make sense because you conflate the Father with the Son, you declare the pre-existence of chronologically manifest Messianic flesh, and you likely believe One is somehow three!

With beliefs like that it is no wonder you would dismiss my reasoning as carnal.

Then you give it a whirl my friend .
You tell me , HOW did GOD create the world and all that was .
HE SPOKE .
GO back to genesis
HE said LET THERE BE LIGHT , THERE WAS LIGHT .
SO who created that light . GOD DID . unless you want to call him a liar .
AND YET GOD CREATED ALL THINGS T HROUGH WHO , JESUS CHRIST .
HIS WORD .
You give it a whirl. Go ahead . TELL ME , HOW DID GOD CREATE .

 

[XtraPercept]

I'm not an expert on what other people believe. It is by definition a carnal way of thinking, because it doesn't consider that our perspective may not represent reality.

I'm no expert, but I do have a great deal of experience in the majority of Christian doctrines, having actively practiced several in my course of seeking. But I was found by Whom I sought, so now I just like to try and help. Jesus ticked off many people without ever upsetting God, so I'm not afraid of someone getting mad at me.

Then you give it a whirl my friend .
You tell me , HOW did GOD create the world and all that was .
HE SPOKE .
GO back to genesis
HE said LET THERE BE LIGHT , THERE WAS LIGHT .
SO who created that light . GOD DID . unless you want to call him a liar .
AND YET GOD CREATED ALL THINGS T HROUGH WHO , JESUS CHRIST .
HIS WORD .
You give it a whirl. Go ahead . TELL ME , HOW DID GOD CREATE .

This is confusion. How does this pertain to the fundamental flaw of your blatant disregard for the words I used?

You do not quote and respond, you do not present counter argument. This is not a discussion, you are throwing a tantrum about my words while saying nothing of the identities of the Father as distinct from the Son which is the point of contention! Never mind your interpretation of the Spirit.

Father and Son or are the two only one? Or is it only one if all three? Please respond.

 

[amigo de christo]

Yes, I believe eternity is inherently timeless.

I think most would conceptualize eternity as being within time as we know it, just a very very long time.

Its why its now so simple to disprove big bang theories and evolution and all sorts of theories of men .
They have no real answer .
Life can only come from LIFE my friend . and THAT LIFE had no beginning existing in a time unknown to man .
One man thought he had me when i told him
ITS impossible to get life from nothing . That indeed only an intelligent being could have produced life or created .
HE said , no that is not true
because scientists have found a way to create life from nothing , i think he said dark matter .
To which i then said
You just proved my point . Man himself is an intelliegent being that created that .
You cant get all this creation from NOTHING.
They used to be all big bang . but i say , SO how did all that cluster come together in the first place
And folks always try and say WELL it was this or that
TO which i say , AND what created that , it could not have come from nothing .
THERE IS T OTAL evidence of the existance of GOD all around us . it is just that many have no desire
TO SERVE that GOD and had rather beleive in evolution
cause the god of evolution DONT hold them accountable to the sins they love Yes
indeed there is evidence of GOD , BUT ONLY ONE WAY TO GOD , THAT BE JESUS THE CHRIST and YE MUST BELEIVE in HIM

 

[saved by grace 101]

They are . SO when all things are put under HIS FEET .
HOW can GOD be UNDER THE WORD . THE WORD IS subject unto the FATHER .
And in time we will see this .
You aint proving JESUS is not GOD , HE IS THE WORD OF GOD .
HOW did GOD create the world .
What did HE DO .
HE SPOKE . HE said LET THERE BE LIGHT , THERE WAS LIGHT .
JESUS IS THE WORD that did create the LIGHT .
Notice EVERY TIME GOD SPOKE what was said was DONE , nothing more , nothig less .
JESUS IS THE VERY ESSENCE OF GOD HIMSELF , THE WORD of G OD .
GOD didnt create HIS WORD and THEN TELL HIS WORD to create .
NO SIR
HE SIMPLY SPOKE and what he said was created .
GOD created all things THROUGH HIS WORD , THROUGH JESUS CHRIST .
IT IS HIS OWN ESSENCE . HIS WORD IS SPIRIT AND IT IS LIFE , AS HE IS SPIRIT , AS HE IS LIFE .
hope that makes sense .

I didn't say I was trying to prove anything, I simply asked you, if you agreed, according to your statement whether what I stated to you should be taken into consideration as well. Only over the years, I've always found people with your views are only prepared to discuss the scripture they bring forth. As you have said all scripture should be considered, perhaps you can persuade others with your views they should do this.

 

[GodsGrace]

Yes, I believe eternity is inherently timeless.

I think most would conceptualize eternity as being within time as we know it, just a very very long time.

Right...But they'd be wrong, of course since God is outside time.
He cannot be part of what He created.

Agreed.
Eternity is timeless .... without time.

 

[GodsGrace]

It is a pattern of expressions from falsehood to resort to accusation in the face of truth (e.g. 'you're just wrong! you're bad and wrong! go away, we don't like you!') despite any actual word of offense or effective counter-reasoning on behalf of the status quo.

Couldn't agree more.
And you've been doing this throughout.

Funny how we see the splinter in the other's eye...
but not the log in our own.

It may be the mere presence of a higher meaning which offends those who prefer the base. I did not anticipate agreement. I am here to share, to contend, and to practice the Word.

Yes XtraPercet....
you're so much more intelligent that we po' folk.

But that's not an insult either....

Maybe, eventually, you could let some of your intelligence shine through by replying WITH SCRIPTURE.

 

[amigo de christo]

I didn't say I was trying to prove anything, I simply asked you, if you agreed, according to your statement whether what I stated to you should be taken into consideration as well. Only over the years, I've always found people with your views are only prepared to discuss the scripture they bring forth. As you have said all scripture should be considered, perhaps you can persuade others with your views they should do this.

OH i agree completly with those scriptures . i a gree with all the scrips
SO
i would like you to now explain to me
HOW did GOD create . give it a whirl . IT MIGHT HELP you understand more clearly .
Go ahead . give it a try .

 

[XtraPercept]

Couldn't agree more.
And you've been doing this throughout.

Funny how we see the splinter in the other's eye...
but not the log in our own.

Yes XtraPercet....
you're so much more intelligent that we po' folk.

But that's not an insult either....

Maybe, eventually, you could let some of your intelligence shine through by replying WITH SCRIPTURE.

That you would differentiate intelligence from the Spirit is why you do not hear the truth of what is being communicated to you.

To put it plainly, the presence of the Spirit IS intelligence, memory, and recall, among other glorious blessings and treasures.

 

[saved by grace 101]

OH i agree completly with those scriptures . i a gree with all the scrips
SO
i would like you to now explain to me
HOW did GOD create . give it a whirl . IT MIGHT HELP you understand more clearly .
Go ahead . give it a try .

Simple really:
yet for us there is but one God, the Father, FROM WHOM all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, THROUGH WHOM all things came and through whom we live. 1Cor8:6
All things came from our one God, the Father, through our Lord, Jesus Christ.

As I have answered your question I hope you will now answer mine.
God, Christ, Peter and Paul all state God is THE God of Christ, and all of these statements are made when Christ is NOT walking this earth in a body of flesh. So, if Christ is titled the one true God, who is the God of the one true omnipotent God?

 

[XtraPercept]

That you would differentiate intelligence from the Spirit is why you do not hear the truth of what is being communicated to you.

To put it plainly, the presence of the Spirit IS intelligence, memory, and recall, among other glorious blessings and treasures.

This is my testimony, that I am scarred from years in stupidity. I was functionally dissociative and mentally shattered until only very recently, having overcome drugs, alcohol, trauma, abuse, and various sufferings over the course of my life. I sought God with a desperation I rarely encounter in another. And I love every bit of affliction I endured for where it has brought me today.

I hope I may help someone here. I mean no offense. I do not lie.

 

[GRACE ambassador]

Should these verses, and others also be taken into consideration?

Correct, and Also These, The Simply explained GodHead, Including "Submission", eh?:

A) "For There Are Three That Bear Record in heaven, The Father, The Word, and The Holy Ghost:

and These Three Are One." (1 John 5:7 AV)​

B) The SON Humbly Submitted To The Father, and Was Sent To earth, as The Humble Servant!

(Luke 4:18; John 5:30, 5:36-37, 6:39, 6:44, 6:57, 7:29, 20:21 AV)​

C) The Holy Spirit Was Doubly Humble, Being Sent By Both The Father And The SON!!

(John 14:26, 15:26 AV)​

Excellent Examples For the saints, eh?

Amen.

And, of course, we should not Avoid Any Of These, either, eh?

​

 

[XtraPercept]

@GRACE ambassador

Ah, now I understand the nature of the implications in your other post.

Babylon, the Mystery Religion.

What could be more mysterious than the triune?

Please contend if I'm so carnal as to offend when I ask:

Father and Son or only one? Or is he only one if all three?

 

[GodsGrace]

That you would differentiate intelligence from the Spirit is why you do not hear the truth of what is being communicated to you.

To put it plainly, the presence of the Spirit IS intelligence, memory, and recall, among other glorious blessings and treasures.

THIS is what you stated:

"It may be the mere presence of a higher meaning which offends those who prefer the base"

This statement of yours implies that you are capable of understanding the higher meaning
while WE, the offended ones according to you, prefer the base.

I find it entertaining that those that wish to bring peace...
are those that most bring discord.