In future post, this will be addressed further. No worries, but it will have to be a bit longer still (though not too much)
Revelation 20:1-15 & the 1,000 years (aka Millennium) Bible Study
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Hiddenthings
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I’m not sure if you’re still active on the forum, but could you clarify whether Advent’s teaching aligns with standard Seventh-day Adventist doctrine? I may be mistaken, but my understanding was that Adventists believe in the second coming of Christ to the earth i.e at the beginning of his reign. From what I can see, however, Advent seems to be teaching that Christ and the saints are in heaven during the 1,000-year reign. That position appears untenable to me on the basis of Scripture. I’d appreciate your comment. Thanks.
I’m not sure if you’re still active on the forum, but could you clarify whether Advent’s teaching aligns with standard Seventh-day Adventist doctrine? I may be mistaken, but my understanding was that Adventists believe in the second coming of Christ to the earth i.e at the beginning of his reign. From what I can see, however, Advent seems to be teaching that Christ and the saints are in heaven during the 1,000-year reign. That position appears untenable to me on the basis of Scripture. I’d appreciate your comment. Thanks.
Continuing with Rev. 20:1, and the phrase "having the key of"
As stated previously, "Jesus is often connected with "keys" as well. See Isa. 22:22; Rev. 3:7-8, and Mat. 16:19; & Mat. 11:52; & Rev. 1:18; see also Mar. 7:34; Luk. 3:21; Rev. 8:1, &c."
Remember also the parallel language connection of Rev. 9:1, with Rev. 20:1, as seen here - Revelation 20:1-15 & the 1,000 years (aka Millennium) Bible Study
Keys are that which Opens [unseals, unlocks] and / or Closes [seals, locks] (Jdg. 3:23-25; 1 Chr. 9:27; Isa. 22:22 KJB). In Scripture (KJB) there are many “keys”, both literal & physical, as well as symbolical & spiritual (as in teaching / understanding, opening of the mind to God's thoughts, &c):
Bible Keys:
God; Gen. 40:8; Job 33:16, 36:10; Psa. 146:8
- Gen 40:8 And they said unto him, We have dreamed a dream, and there is no interpreter of it. And Joseph said unto them, Do not interpretations belong to God? tell me them, I pray you.
- Job_33:16 Then he openeth the ears of men, and sealeth their instruction,
- Job_36:10 He openeth also their ear to discipline, and commandeth that they return from iniquity.
- Psa_146:8 The LORD openeth the eyes of the blind: the LORD raiseth them that are bowed down: the LORD loveth the righteous:
- Luk_24:45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,
- Joh_10:3 To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out.
- Rev_3:7 And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write; These things saith he that is holy, he that is true, he that hath the key of David, he that openeth, and no man shutteth; and shutteth, and no man openeth;
- Isa_61:1 The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound;
- Isa 28:10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:
- Isa 28:13 But the word of the LORD was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken.
- Joh_8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
- Joh 17:17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.
- Mat_7:7 Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:
- Mat_7:8 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.
- Luk 3:21 Now when all the people were baptized, it came to pass, that Jesus also being baptized, and praying, the heaven was opened,
- Luk_11:9 And I say unto you, Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you.
- Luk_11:10 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.
- Col_4:3 Withal praying also for us, that God would open unto us a door of utterance, to speak the mystery of Christ, for which I am also in bonds:
- Psa 77:13 Thy way, O God, is in the sanctuary: who is so great a God as our God?
- Psa_49:4 I will incline mine ear to a parable: I will open my dark saying upon the harp.
- Psa_78:2 I will open my mouth in a parable: I will utter dark sayings of old:
- Exo_25:9 According to all that I shew thee, after the pattern of the tabernacle, and the pattern of all the instruments thereof, even so shall ye make it.
- Exo_25:40 And look that thou make them after their pattern, which was shewed thee in the mount.
- Num_8:4 And this work of the candlestick was of beaten gold, unto the shaft thereof, unto the flowers thereof, was beaten work: according unto the pattern which the LORD had shewed Moses, so he made the candlestick.
- Heb_8:5 Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, that thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount.
- Heb_9:23 It was therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens should be purified with these; but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these.
- 2Pe 1:19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:
- Mat_13:35 That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying, I will open my mouth in parables; I will utter things which have been kept secret from the foundation of the world.
- Dan_8:16 And I heard a man's voice between the banks of Ulai, which called, and said, Gabriel, make this man to understand the vision.
- Dan 8:17 So he came near where I stood: and when he came, I was afraid, and fell upon my face: but he said unto me, Understand, O son of man: for at the time of the end shall be the vision.
- Mat 28:2 And, behold, there was a great earthquake: for the angel of the Lord descended from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat upon it.
- Job_12:7 But ask now the beasts, and they shall teach thee; and the fowls of the air, and they shall tell thee:
- Job_12:8 Or speak to the earth, and it shall teach thee: and the fishes of the sea shall declare unto thee.
- Deu 28:9 The LORD shall establish thee an holy people unto himself, as he hath sworn unto thee, if thou shalt keep the commandments of the LORD thy God, and walk in his ways.
- Deu 28:12 The LORD shall open unto thee his good treasure, the heaven to give the rain unto thy land in his season, and to bless all the work of thine hand: and thou shalt lend unto many nations, and thou shalt not borrow.
There are two phases of reign, just as any earthly king. The Ascension year, and the actual length of fullness of Reign.
Thus,
Phase 1 - Heaven, 1000 years (limited in time)
Phase 2 - Earth (made new), forever and ever (unlimited)
Yes, it is standard Seventh-day Adventist position, even from the beginning. Any may see sister Ellen G. White's Materials also, such as The Great Controversy (1911 ed., see the last few chapters from Chapter 35 onward) - SDA Ellen G White The Great Controversy 1911 : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive
The details shall be provided when we come to the 1000 years portion of Rev. 20.
Hiddenthings
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Your view seems similar to that of Jehovah’s Witnesses, particularly in that they also have saints going to heaven. The key difference, of course, is that they introduce an elite group of 144,000, which they likewise cannot substantiate convincingly from Scripture.
Does it concern you that your evidence carries no real weight, and that you consistently ignore the very passages that clearly speak of Christ’s second advent, the resurrection, and the establishment of the Kingdom centered in Jerusalem?
I'm wondering if you like the JW have cast of natural Israel as well? That would explain ruling from heaven error.
Jesus has the “keys” of “hell” (grave, which has “gates”; Job 38:17; Isa. 14:17, 61:1; Eze. 37:13; Mat. 16:18, 27:52; Luk. 4:18 KJB) & “death” (Rev. 1:18 KJB), & is able to resurrect & save from the power (authority; Jud. 1:9 KJB) of the devil (Heb. 2:14 KJB).
Jesus gave the keys of the Heavenly kingdom to his body, to open & close, & to teach the Truth of Heaven (Isa. 22:22; Mat. 16:19 (Mat. 13:11, 18:18) KJB).
Satan, likewise in counterpart (for the fallen angel always seeks to give the key of the knowledge “good and evil” to mankind; Gen. 2:9,17, 3:1-7; to take away their God-given light (Psa. 104:1-2; Gen. 1:27; Psa. 8:56; Heb. 2:7,9 KJB) and place them in cold darkness; Gen. 3:7), gave the key of his kingdom of sin (mystery of iniquity) to his body (antichristos, vicarius christi; Rev. 9:1), to open the bottomless pit (his kingdom of lies & darkness; see the parallelism of Rev. 9:1-2,11 & Rev. 16:10 KJB, see chart below), to pass along the mystery of iniquity into the hearts of men, to teach & reveal that kingdom upon the earth in opposition to Heaven. Or see page 262 - The Seven Trumpets Of Revelation - God's Great Trump : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive
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| Revelation 9:1-12 | 5th Trumpet | Revelation 15:8, 16:10-11 | 5th Last Plague |
| Rev. 9:2 | “... a smoke out of the bottomless pit, as the smoke of a great furnace ...”, “... smoke of the pit ...” [Idol worship, False Prayer] | Rev. 15:8 | “... the temple was filled with smoke from the glory of God ...” [Smoke deals with Worship & Prayer (Incense)] |
| Rev. 9:1 | “And the fifth angel ...” | Rev. 16:10 | “And the fifth angel ...” |
| Rev. 9:1 | “... sounded ...” | Rev. 16:10 | “... poured ...” |
| Rev. 9:1-2,11 | “... the bottomless pit ...”, “... the bottomless pit ...”, “... the pit ...”, “... the bottomless pit ...” [the kingdom of sin] | Rev. 16:10 | “... his kingdom ...” |
| Rev. 9:2 | “... darkened ...” | Rev. 16:10 | “... full of darkness ...” |
| Rev. 9:8 | “... their teeth were as the teeth of lions. ...” [mouth causes pain] | Rev. 16:10 | “... they gnawed their tongues for pain ...” [mouth receives pain] |
| Rev. 9:3,5,7-8,10 | “... locusts ...”, “...scorpion ...”, “... locusts ...”, “... horses ...”, “... lions ...”, “... scorpions ...” [beasts] | Rev. 16:10 | “... of the beast ...” |
| Rev. 9:11 | “... a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.” | Rev. 16:11 | “... the God of heaven ...” [the KING of Heaven, in opposition] |
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More examples on "keys":
Judges 3:23 KJB - Then Ehud went forth through the porch, and shut the doors of the parlour upon him, and locked them.
Judges 3:24 KJB - When he was gone out, his servants came; and when they saw that, behold, the doors of the parlour were locked, they said, Surely he covereth his feet in his summer chamber.
Judges 3:25 KJB - And they tarried till they were ashamed: and, behold, he opened not the doors of the parlour; therefore they took a key, and opened them: and, behold, their lord was fallen down dead on the earth.
1 Chronicles 9:27 KJB - And they lodged round about the house of God, because the charge was upon them, and the opening thereof every morning pertained to them.
Isaiah 22:22 KJB - And the key of the house of David will I lay upon his shoulder; so he shall open, and none shall shut; and he shall shut, and none shall open. (See also Rev. 3:7-8; Job 12:14 KJB)
Matthew 16:19 KJB - And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
Matthew 13:11 KJB - He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
Matthew 18:18 KJB - Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
Jesus takes the "key" away from the devil (and his earthly apprentice, the antichrist; vicarius christi) which had opened the bottomless pit (Rev. 9:1 KJB), and now binds the devil, and seals his fallen kingdom of darkness for 1000 years (Rev. 20:2 KJB). As satan had "bound" his prisoners on earth in the grave, so too will Jesus bind the devil on earth as a prisoner among the world-wide graves of all the wicked fallen, including those which will be slain upon the earth at the 2nd advent / coming (2 Thes 2:8,10 KJB).
Hiddenthings
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@Adventageous is it true Seventh Day Adventist do not believe in the immortality of a soul which wafts to Heaven upon death?
The '144,000' is simply a symbolic # (demonstrable in another thread, as it would be off OP here.), and their names spell out the gospel. This is all I will say here, any may DM me for details, or start a new thread.
Correct. It's the reason for this book (bible study) - Sincerely Dead Dying, To Know Jesus by brother Aaron Earnest : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive
Hiddenthings
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The citations were for the quotation "good and evil", which is why they (citations) were placed just afterward. If you need evidence that the fallen angel (satan, the "evil" unclean "spirit", Mat. 7:10-11; Luk. 11:11,13) was present, working through the medium of the serpent, please consider (2 Cor. 11:3; Rev. 12:9, 20:2 KJB) and connect with the word "serpent", "devil", "satan", "dragon". Then see the connection of "tree", Gen. 3:1,3, and "good and evil" again in Gen. 3:5 KJB. I hope that clarifies the matter for you.
ScottA
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That puts you in the company of the Pharisees who said similar things about John the Baptist.
Hiddenthings
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Not at all - here is what you have done.
You have once again forced introduced notions upon the word and then daisy chained a group of passages together in an attempt to uphold a man-made teaching.
Let me show you.
Now the serpent was more crafty than any other beast of the field that the Lord God had made Ge 3:1.
Why would God create a creature more cunning than all others and then grant it the ability to speak?
Can you provide a single Old Testament passage that states your belief that a rebellious angel was using the serpent as a kind of ventriloquist?
If you cannot do that, can you then produce one New Testament verse that overturns or contradicts what is plainly stated in Genesis 3:1?
This is a further test of credibility. We have already seen how you altered the context of Hebrews 11 to accommodate your own doctrine. The question now is whether you are willing to deal honestly with the text as it stands, rather than importing ideas that are not taught by Scripture.
Hiddenthings
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It was tongue-in-cheek, Scott. What I meant was that your response came across as vague and disconnected, almost as though you were dealing in abstractions rather than engaging directly with the text itself. You are aware, surely, that the numbers in Revelation are highly symbolic. Many interpreters have acknowledged this and have understood them as representing real periods of time, yet the thousand years is strangely treated as the lone exception to this pattern.
"The bottomless pit" is simply the dark chaotic mass of empty (desolate) waters, or any deserted place without life. As for the word “bottomless pit” (G12 “ἄβυσσος”, abyssos), as found in the GNT TR of Rev. 9:1,2,11, 11:7, 17:8, 20:1, it is the koine Greek “αβυσσου” [abussou, or abyssou], which transliterated into English is “abyss”. This word, according to a first use in a Greek translation of Genesis, means a dark unshapen earth covered in deep black (lightless) waters (also a symbol of peoples; Rev. 17:15 KJB), in a chaotic (unordered) state of being, without the Holy Spirit in them, “without form [unformed] & void [unfilled]”, without light, life & unfulfilled (Gen. 1:2 KJB). The Kingdom of Heaven (Highest heights) in contrast to the kingdom of the pit (lowest depths), Pro. 25:3 KJB.
When the fallen star (Rev. 9:1), the great apostate (antichristos, vicarius christi), was given the key to (the mystery of iniquity) the knowledge of evil (paganism) mixed with good (Christianity) by satan, he then unlocks & opens the bottomless pit, or kingdom (and all of its lightless (dark) and lifeless (no life) teachings in faith and practice) of satan & unleashes everything upon the world as if it were righteousness, & the Papacy is born & grows. The mystery of iniquity had already been working in the world (2 Thes. 2:7 KJB), but scripture foretold that there would come a time of a great apostasy, a great falling away (2 Thes. 2:3 KJB; as it happened to Jesus also; Mar. 15:29,31; Luk. 2:34, 23:39; Mat. 27:41 KJB) just as is read about in Rev. 9:1 KJB, of a “star” “fall(en) from heaven” (Rev. 2:4-5, 9:1 KJB), & a great darkness covering the land (Isa. 60:2; Jer. 13:16; Rev. 6:5-8, 9:2, 16:10 KJB).
Instead of opening the treasures of Heaven, as Christ's disciples did ((Deu. 28:12; Mal. 3:10 KJB) after Jesus (Jhn. 1:51 KJB) opening their mouth (a dark hole, from which light came forth) for the good parables (Mat. 13:11,35 KJB)), the false apostles (Rev. 2:2; 2 Cor. 11:13 KJB), after satan, opened up apostasy & rebellion, opening their mouths (a dark open pit / sepulchre; and darkness spreads; Psa. 5:9; Jer. 5:16; Rom. 3:13 KJB) as Daniel (Dan. 8:23 KJB) stated that antichrist would do in counterfeit to Christ, Psa. 78:2; Pro. 1:6 KJB, even the carnal pit of the earthly & lifeless (no eternal life).
In the King James Concordance, this word, G12 “ἄβυσσος” [abussos], found 8 times in the GNT TR, 6 times “bottomless” (Rev. 9:1-2(x2),11, 17:8, 20:1,3 KJB), 2 times “deep” (Luk. 8:31; Rom. 10:7 KJB).
Luk 8:31 And they besought him that he would not command them to go out into the deep.
Rom 10:7 Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.)
This very same word is also found to be utilized in catholic Origen’s Hexapla (see Gen. 1:2 Origen’s Hexapla, “ἀβύσσου” [abussou, or abyssou], of which the King James [from the HOT, “תהום”, “tehom”; in English reads “deep”) throughout, Gen. 1:2, 7:11, 8:2; Deu. 8:7, 33:13; Job 38:16,30, 41:32 (41:24); Psa. 33:7 (32:7), 71:20 (70:20), 71:21 (70:21), 78:15 (77:15), 106:9 (105:9), 107:26 (106:26), 135:6 (134:6); Pro. 8:24; Isa. 44:27, 51:10, 63:13 HOT. The word is also found in the apocryphal Greek texts of catholic Origen’s Hexapla, in Dan. 3:54; Wis. 10:19; Sir. 24:5,29.
The “abyss” or “bottomless pit” is always associated with the earth in a certain place, state or condition, even a deep and dark place, devoid of life, such as a grave (see Psa. 71:20 KJB), and also a dried up place, a desolate wilderness (see Psa. 106:9; Isa. 63:13 KJB), or places of great deep basins (sea floor, etc.), as like a bowl in which is much waters, called a ‘sea’) not only an ocean, but also the laver of the sanctuary of Solomon is called this, where the sins are cast to the bottom of; Mic. 7:19 KJB).
In Rev. 9:1,2,11, 11:7, 17:8, 20:1,3 the phrase "bottomless pit" (being also paralleled in Rev. 16:10; - Revelation 20:1-15 & the 1,000 years (aka Millennium) Bible Study ) simply refers to the kingdom of darkness and lifelessness on earth; devoid of the light of God's presence and Holy Spirit.
Jesus has the “keys” of “hell” (grave, which has “gates”; Job 38:17; Isa. 14:17, 61:1; Eze. 37:13; Mat. 16:18, 27:52; Luk. 4:18 KJB) & “death” (Rev. 1:18 KJB), & is able to resurrect & save from the power (authority; Jud. 1:9 KJB) of the devil (Heb. 2:14 KJB).
... to be continued ...
Hiddenthings
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@Adventageous I should have added also that only one person in the forum over a period of three months gave answering that question an honest go. They admitted the Bible was silent on all the notions Chistian's force on that verse. In the end he agreed it was in total contradiction of what is being taught.
ADDITIONAL NOTES ON BOTTOMLESS PIT:
The Millennial state of the earth’s condition: Jer. 4:23-28, 25:15-38; Zep. 1:2-3,14-18; Isa. 2:6-22, 11:4, 24:1-6,17-22, 34:1-17 KJB.
Related words “deep” of the waters, & pit: Gen. 1:10, 37:20,22,24,28-29; Exo. 21:33-34; Lev. 11:36; Num. 16:30,33; 2 Sam. 17:9, 18:17, 23:20; 2 Kin. 10:14; 1 Chr. 11:22; Job 6:27, 12:22, 17:16, 33:15,18,24,28,30, 38:30, 41:31-32; Psa. 7;15, 9:15, 28:1, 30:3,9, 35:7, 36:6, 40:2, 42:7, 55:23, 57:6, 64:6, 69:2,14-15, 88:4,6, 92:5, 94:13, 95:4, 104:6, 107:24, 135:6, 140:10, 143:7; Pro. 1:12, 8:28, 18:4, 20:5, 22:14, 23:27, 26:27, 28:10,17; Ecc. 7:24, 10:8; Isa. 14:15,19, 24:17,18,22, 30:14,33, 38:17,18, 44:27, 51:1,10,14, 63:13; Jer. 18:20,22, 41:7,9, 48:43,44; Eze. 19:4,8, 26:19,20, 28:8, 31:4,14-16, 32:14,18,23-25,29-30; Dan. 2:22; Jon. 2:3; Hab. 3:10; Zec. 9:11; Mat. 12:11; Luk. 5:4, 8:31, 14:5; Jhn. 4:11; Rom. 10:7; 1 Cor. 2:10; 2 Cor. 11:25; Rev. 9:1-2,11, 11:7, 17:15,18, 20:1,3 KJB.
“pits”: 1 Sam. 13:6; Psa. 119:85, 140:10; Jer. 2:6, 14:3; Lam. 4:20 KJB.
“dungeon”: Gen. 40:15, 41:14; Exo. 12:29; Jer. 37:16, 38:6-7,9-11,13; Lam. 3:53,55 KJB.
“cistern”: 2 Kin. 18:31; Pro. 5:15; Ecc. 12:6; Isa. 36:16 KJB.
“cisterns”: Jer. 2:13 KJB.
“prison”: Mat. 5:25, 18:30; Luk. 12:58; Rev. 20:7 KJB.
“hell”: 2 Pet. 2:4 KJB.
“depths”: Exo. 15:5,8; Deu. 8:7; Psa. 68:22, 71:20, 77:16, 78:15, 106:9, 107:26, 130:1; Pro. 3:20, 8:24, 9:18; Isa. 51:10; Eze. 27:34; Mic. 7:19; Rev. 2:24 KJB.
[[ As an additional side note: The “beast from the bottomless pit” (Rev. 11:7-8 KJB), was a 'new manifestation of satanic power', in atheistically (secular humanism; Exo. 5:2,9; Psa. 14:1, 53:1; Pro. 30:9; Eph. 2:12, "αθεοι", "atheoi", "without God") [Head] led / ruled France [Body], for it was 1/10th (Rev. 11:13 KJB), or portion, of the 10 Horns (Dan. 7:7,20,24; Rev. 12:3 KJB), spiritually “Egypt”.
Job 26:5 KJB - Dead things are formed from under the waters, and the inhabitants thereof.
Job 26:6 KJB - Hell is naked before him, and destruction hath no covering.
Proverbs 23:27 KJB - For a whore is a deep ditch; and a strange woman is a narrow pit.
Proverbs 23:28 KJB - She also lieth in wait as for a prey, and increaseth the transgressors among men.
Revelation 17:1 KJB - And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters:
The “dead things” (Job 26:5) are the old world, pre-flood wicked (lost) “inhabitants” destroyed by the flood, & placed into the abyss (buried in death beneath the waters because they rejected the Gospel entreaties of Noah, that preacher of righteousness (2 Pet. 2:5; Psa. 119:172; Deu. 6:25; Isa. 48:18 KJB)), & Job talks more about their characters: Job 21:14-20, 22:15-17; see also Psa. 2:1-3; Exo. 5:2,9 KJB.
Christ is the King of the children of humility & Heaven, while the Leviathan (Job 41:1 KJB), a symbol of satan, that fallen angel, who was cast to the dust of the earth, is a “beast” / “serpent” (Gen. 3:1; Psa. 74:14, 104:26; Isa. 27:1 KJB) of the bottomless pit (or kingdom of satan), & the King over the children of pride (Job 31:34 KJB; self-exaltation), sitting as ruler over the turbulent (Isa. 48:22, 57:20-21 KJB) waters of darkness & death (lifelessness; without form and void, unformed & unfulfilled). ]]
Hiddenthings
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Correct - Christ in his second advent will bring this Kingdom from Heaven!
Kingdom of Men (or in the context of Rev 20 Nations!
Where you go astray is in your understanding of the terms adversary (satan), false accuser (devil) etc...but this can be dealt with later.
The correct way to interpret the Revelation is in the same way you approach Daniels and that is continous historic. Revelation 9 is dealing with a different period of history.
The falling star, the bottomless pit, the smoking furnace, the army of locusts, and the king who leads them into battle symbolize the rise of Muhammad and the Saracens in 622, and their subsequent attacks on the Eastern Roman (Byzantine) Empire.
So you have the key that the Papacy is history being dealt with now you need to pull these symbols together and apply them to their proper time.
Devil destroyed in Heb 2:14 - I'm assuming its inclusion above means you do not understand that text or its context.
However, you are correct that the Lord Jesus Christ can unlock the grave and provide life.
Sorry to hear that he agreed to such a thing, as I will not, having position upon the scriptures already provided in response. You are, of course, free to continue as you have been in responses. I will be remaining on the subject of the OP of Rev. 20. The next portion will be addressing "the great chain" of Rev. 20:1, as God allows. (I am still very ill today).
Hiddenthings
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