As for the evidences, what I have provided in response to you (and others) is sufficient. You (and they) may disagree. That is your (and their) choice to do so. You (and they) are free to voice that dissent in writing in this thread. Just do not expect me to always engage with those responses. This ought to be fair, and I do think so in my estimation of things.
No, Advent, that is not sufficient. You make unfounded assertions about the text and expect others to accept them without providing clear exegesis to support your claims.
You have not demonstrated your ideas of
heaven-going or
fallen angels, both of which are highly misleading and contrary to a sound interpretation of the prophecy.
If you slowed down in your study and approached the subject with humility, you might be led to a sound understanding. Instead, you seem intent on copying and pasting pre-existing notes, which reads more like a blog post than a genuine forum discussion.
Jesus takes the "key" away from the devil (and his earthly apprentice, the antichrist; vicarius christi) which had opened the bottomless pit (Rev. 9:1 KJB), and now binds the devil, and seals his fallen kingdom of darkness for 1000 years (Rev. 20:2 KJB). As satan had "bound" his prisoners on earth in the grave, so too will Jesus bind the devil on earth as a prisoner among the world-wide graves of all the wicked fallen, including those which will be slain upon the earth at the 2nd advent / coming (2 Thes 2:8,10 KJB).
Read your above statement and ask yourself how people are to understand what you have strung together without carefully supporting your points.
Where in the Bible does it state that Jesus takes the "key" away from the devil and his earthly antichrist?
Where is this fallen kingdom located? Provide evidence?
Why have you introduced a 2nd advent when earlier you said Christ does not return to the earth at this time?
Re the Abyss:
Altogether, the abyss is referred to seven times in the Apocalypse (Rev. 9:1, 2, 11; 11:7; 17:8; 20:1, 3). In these passages, reference to the
shaft or
pit of the abyss occurs
only in Revelation 9:1–2. This distinction is vitally important.
It indicates that the effect of the sounding of the fifth trumpet was to open the shaft or pit that leads to the abyss, not the abyss itself. The abyss represents the deep (Rom. 10:7; Luke 8:31), that is, the
“peoples, multitudes, nations, and tongues” over which the Roman harlot exercises dominion (Rev. 17:15).
We have already noted that the expression
phrear tēs abyssou (“shaft” or “pit of the abyss”) occurs only in Revelation 9:1–2. In all other instances, only
abyssos (“the abyss”) is used. Thus, in verse 11, the Greek text contains only
abyssos, even though the Authorized Version translates it in the same way as the preceding verses, namely “the bottomless pit.” This distinction is significant, as it provides an important key to interpreting these passages.
The term
abyss clearly relates to the sea of nations, the “waters” upon which the harlot is said to sit, identified with the Greek and Roman Catholic nations of Europe (Rev 17:15). For this reason, the beast is described as ascending “out of the abyss” (Rev. 17:8).
By contrast, the “shaft of the abyss” mentioned in the earlier verses denotes the entrance to the abyss, that is, in prophetic terms, the means of access or “way” into Europe. The prophecy therefore indicates that while the “star” associated with the fifth trumpet would gain control of the shaft leading to the abyss, he would not gain control of the abyss itself; in other words, he would fail to secure dominion over the Eastern Empire.
As a side note, it would be helpful if you clarified what you understand Revelation 9 to be addressing, since you refer to it frequently in your notes but offer little substantive explanation to support your conclusions.
What your study needs is a clear outline of the historical fulfilment, past, present, or future, together with the details of how these events were fulfilled. Simply stating what you believe the symbols represent is not sufficient; those interpretations must be substantiated with evidence.
