Revelation 20:1-15 & the 1,000 years (aka Millennium) Bible Study

[Brakelite]

This is the issue. Advent has his own narrative and regardless of the text of context he will make it fit.

That is incorrect. As I explained above, Advent absolutely includes context and it fits smoothly and easily into the Lord's style of conversation and revelation.
I think you need to get some basics of your own theology in order before you think you can correct Advent on issues top deep for you to currently appreciate.

 

[Hiddenthings]

That is incorrect. As I explained above, Advent absolutely includes context and it fits smoothly and easily into the Lord's style of conversation and revelation.
I think you need to get some basics of your own theology in order before you think you can correct Advent on issues top deep for you to currently appreciate.

You can understand why your reply was underwhelming. Advent has already shown us all how he handled Hebrews 11, and it wasn’t pretty!

I'll lock Rev 5:10 away as problematic for SDA for the moment - maybe Advent might want to give it a go!

Let's try another shall we?

Then the kingdom, authority, and greatness of the kingdoms under all of heaven will be delivered to the people of the holy ones of the Most High Da 7:27.

And 2nd coming context and reference "under all of Heaven" denoting the Earth is the habitation of the Saints is also problematic?

Is Daniel doing some smoothing out here also?

 

[Hiddenthings]

What is striking about Acts 1:6 is that the Lord and his disciples had clearly been discussing the coming Kingdom. If the disciples had understood that they were destined to go to heaven to rule, their question would seem completely out of place. Instead, their expectation reflects an earthly kingdom, not a heavenly departure.

So when they had gathered together, they began to ask him, “Lord, is this the time when you are restoring the kingdom to Israel? Acts 1:6.

This was the question the disciples repeatedly raised during the forty days they were able to be with their Master before his ascension to heaven. It was this expectation that prompted the Lord to give the parable of the nobleman (Luke 19:11). Yet on other occasions he deliberately avoided specifying the timing of his return, since the details were not known to him at that time (Mark 13:32). Later, further details were revealed to the apostle John through the symbolic visions of the Apocalypse. Rev 5:12 for example.

After forty days with the Master, it is certain the disciples clearly understood both the nature and location of “the kingdom of God.” With prophecies such as Daniel 7:27 in mind, they approached Jesus seeking a threefold clarification when they asked, “Wilt thou at this time…?”

[1] Their hope was fixed on the establishment of a divine, political, messianic kingdom centred in Israel. Even Roman Catholic scholars acknowledge this. A footnote in the Jerusalem Bible comments: “The apostles still identified the messianic kingdom with the political restoration of David’s dynasty (Matt. 4:17).” Yet many churches continue to deny this expectation. Jehovah’s Witnesses reject natural Israel though 50 years ago they understood these restoration prophecies perfectly. I’m not certain about the SDA position on natural Israel. It's super clear Jesus taught them they would sit on twelve thrones governing natural Israel from Jerusalem. Clearly Acts 1:6 is their expectation. Nowhere in the Bible are they told they are going to Heaven

[2] By this point, the disciples no longer questioned whether Christ would restore the kingdom to Israel. Their uncertainty concerned only one thing: when it would occur.

[3] In his response, the Lord limited his answer strictly to the matter of timing, thereby indicating that he understood, and implicitly affirmed the substance of their question as a whole.

Note:

Only those with a keen eye would see "again the kingdom to Israel?" as a phrase synonymous with the "kingdom of God" (v. 3).

Yahweh selected Israel to manifest His dominion on earth and this will be accomplished through the restoration of the nation to a faithfulness never before achieved (Exek 11:19-20).

@Adventageous @Brakelite

There is a growing list of errors in this thread which Advent knows about but chooses to ignore. I must say that the idea of “heaven going” is the most contradictory to the inspired record. And changing the context of Hebrews 11 to fit Enoch going to Heaven was a terrible way to treat the Word. Rev 5:12; Acts 1:6 & Matthew 19:28 is impossible to explain away.

 

[ewq1938]

Mmm. So His heavenly Father's house is not in heaven?

Irrelevant. That was BEFORE the second coming. Jesus said he would come, then we would be where he is at which is the Earth. Things change drastically after he returns.

 

[Hiddenthings]

You make quite a few unsubstantiated claims which are false - the very thing you rudely accused the person you were talking to about.

I’m direct with Advent because he is promoting false teaching, and when his errors are clearly shown to him, he simply moves on and continues in them. His handling of Hebrews 11 is where he lost credibility in this study. In fact, if you read Bakelite's response to Rev 5:12 you will see precisely the point.

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Looking what you posted below it didnt seem to match with my thoughts. For instance the read it again but this time i'll expand a little:

Rev 20:1 “And I saw an angel come down from heaven” an angel, being a messenger of God. In Revelation 19:10, the presiding angel is associated with the Redeemed (Saints), who, in the days of their glory, will not only be “equal unto the angels” (Luke 20:36) but will also assume responsibility for administering affairs currently managed by the angels under the guidance of the Lord Jesus Christ (Hebrews 1:14; 2:5; 1 Peter 3:22).

What this is saying is that the saints in the earthly Kingdom age will perform works similar to what the angels do now, though unseen. Scripture makes it clear, however, that the saints will also be actively working with the nations and assisting in the preaching of the Gospel during that Kingdom age.

False. In Hebrews 1:14 angels are being described as ministering spirits sent to minister to those who are the heirs of salvation (humans).

Dealt with this above.

In Hebrews 2:5-9 it's speaking not of all saved humans, but of one human - Christ Jesus. Same in 1 Peter 3:22.

Did you read my words correctly...I said "but will also assume responsibility for administering affairs currently managed by the angels under the guidance of the Lord Jesus Christ"

So while I agree with your statement it only confirms what I wrote.

Then you continue to mix your false assertions with some things that are true again - but also with things that are false:

.. etc etc. It's all just part truth mixed with unsubstantiated assertions based on opinions, based on personal doctrine that is not based on correctly interpreting scripture.

Here is what I said:

"After the destruction of all organized opposition to Christ’s rule (Revelation 19:21), the nations will be brought under divine law (Isaiah 2:2-4; 26:9; 42:4). To accomplish this, the Redeemed, having been elevated to the political heavens (Revelation 4:1; 5:9-10) will descend to the political earth to instruct and guide the people, “coming down like rain upon the mown grass” (Psalm 72:6)."

Feel free to question or challenge what’s written, I’m happy to work through it with you. It’s possible that some of the phrasing is unfamiliar to you, as it was to Advent, though I believe he understood the symbolism of heaven and earth, and that the whole of Revelation represents God’s judgments on aspects of human history, especially on the apostasy.

 

[Hiddenthings]

Irrelevant. That was BEFORE the second coming. Jesus said he would come, then we would be where he is at which is the Earth. Things change drastically after he returns.

I can understand how the SDA’s arrived at their position. Misinterpreting those Old Testament faithful whose actual burials are not recorded has led them to compile a list of five individuals, strangely considered “elite” for some unknown reason, who are believed to go straight to heaven. The deception grows from there unfortunately.

 

[Zao is life]

so Jesus was talking about a future time where He would be, not where He was then.

Read what you say above and compare it with what you say below:

But the promise to return and take us to Himself and then to the Father is built into middle eastern typology where the groom traditionally came to take His bride away from her world and her family, and take her to His world and His family. That's a physical move being made by the bride and Groom, not a spiritual move by the groom.

1. We will never see the Father. Jesus alone can dwell with the Father. When we die the souls of those who are born again of His Spirit will go to be with Christ where He is - and He is in the bosom of the Father - and He is the eternal Mediator between the Father and us.

2. His world is the only world he created for Adam and Eve and their descendants to dwell in. "His world" is the creation.

God did not create mankind to "die and then go to heaven when we die". Death is the enemy of God and that's why Christ CAME DOWN FROM HEAVEN and took the sin that causes death upon Himself, died, and rose again from the dead.

I'm not quoting these scriptures again for your sake. Your answers will remain the same - showing that you won't believe the scriptures but will continue to believe SDA false doctrine which has illegitimately changed the meaning of those very scriptures.

I'm doing this for the sake of others who may read this.

No one has ever seen God. The only one, himself God, who is in closest fellowship with the Father, has made God known.

He lives in unapproachable light, whom no human has ever seen or is able to see. To him be honor and eternal power! Amen. (John 1:18; 1 Timothy 6:16)

Jesus praying to the Father:

".. I am also praying on behalf of those who believe in me through their testimony, that they will all be one, just as you, Father, are in me and I am in you. I pray that they will be in us, so that the world will believe that you sent me. The glory you gave to me I have given to them, that they may be one just as we are one -

I in them and you in me - that they may be completely one, so that the world will know that you sent me, and you have loved them just as you have loved me." (John 17:20-23

Jesus talking to His disciples:

"Little children, yet a little while I am with you. Ye shall seek me: and as I said unto the Jews, Whither I go, ye cannot come; so now I say to you."

"Wither I go ye cannot come .."

He lives in unapproachable light, whom no human has ever seen or is able to see. To him be honor and eternal power! Amen. (1 Timothy 6:16)

"And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know."

Compare:

(a) As I said unto the Jews, Whither I go, ye cannot come; so now I say to you.

(b) Whither I go ye know, and the way ye know.

"I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." (John 14:6).

Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, "Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world?"

Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

Jesus is talking about HIS FATHER'S HOUSE.

I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you. At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you. He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him,

and will manifest myself to him.

(John 13:33; John 14:4 & 22-23 & 18, 20-21).

Note: Jesus said that the Father dwells in Him. (THIS IS THE FATHER'S HOUSE, IN WHICH THERE ARE MANY MANSIONS)

Jesus dwells in us and we dwell in Him. We are even now seated with Him where He is. He has already come again when His Spirit came upon the church and He made His abode with them.

THIS IS HIS FATHER'S HOUSE - HIS TEMPLE, in which there are many places of abode ("mansions") - a room for everyone.

and when He returns the saints will rule with Him on the earth

- whether we believe it's on the new earth - or an earth whose rule has been restored to Him a thousand years BEFORE the New Heavens and New Earth, OR NOT.

The saints rule on earth with Him under His authority - with He in them and they in Him, and He does the will of the Father.

John 17
21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

John 14
18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.
19 Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.
20 At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.

21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
22 Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world?
23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode ("mansions") with him.

And what kind of beginning to our new life with our Husband entails having a home amongst desolation of an earth with rotting bodies and pollution and nuclear waste throughout the planet which isn't made new for another 1000 years?

I do not believe in a thousand year gap between the return of Christ and the New Heavens and New EARTH - you do.So you need to answer your own question

- but without inventing something scripture does not say - like the thousand years "in heaven" for those who rose from the dead. because that's not what the scriptures you use to support your assertion are saying. The SDA changing of the meaning of scripture to fit what the SDA'S have invented is an illegitimate handling of scripture.

 

[Adventageous]

That is not what he said. He said we would be where he is, and he would be on the Earth ...

Allow me to reply once more. Reiterating, with additional material. I had said:

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"Jesus was physically standing on earth, but was speaking about leaving earth to the disciples, thus the "where I am" is not on earth:​

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Joh 14:1 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.​

Joh 14:2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.​

Joh 14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.​

Joh 14:4 And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know.​

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Jesus was not unclear. Jesus did not say, "here" (earth, where they were all standing), but "there", "the place" He was going "to", which is in His, "God" the, "Father's house". Jesus would leave earth for that "place", and later "come again" from that "place" to "receive" the disciples" "unto" "himself", which is not on earth, even as 1 Thes. 4:16-17 states, "descend from heaven", and be in the "air" to which all the resurrected shall be "caught up" to and then as 1 Thes. 4:14 states, "God" will "bring with" Jesus back to the "Father's house". ..." - Revelation 20:1-15 & the 1,000 years (aka Millennium) Bible Study​

God, the Father's house is not on earth. Jesus prayed:

Mat_6:9;p ... Our Father which art in heaven ...​

Mat_16:17;p And Jesus answered and said unto him ... my Father which is in heaven.​

Luk_11:2;p ... Our Father which art in heaven, ...​

Scripture confirms this in several ways:

Psa_103:19 The LORD hath prepared his throne in the heavens; and his kingdom ruleth over all.​

Heb_8:1;p ... set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens;​

Even when Jesus was seated next to Nicodemus (on earth), Jesus said:

Joh_3:13;p ... the Son of man which is in heaven.​

Jesus' mind / heart was always "in heaven" because that is where His treasure was, His Father. His mind was always stayed / fixed upon His Father, which is "in heaven". This is reiterated in other OT & NT texts, as I have already linked to before - Hebrews 11 Enoch These All Died For Jehovah's Witnesses WTS JW : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive :

Isa 26:3 Thou wilt keep him in perfect peace, whose mind is stayed on thee: because he trusteth in thee.​

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Eph 2:6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:​

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Php 2:5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:​

Php 3:20 For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ:​

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Col 3:1 If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.​

Col 3:2 Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth.​

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See also Rom. 8:5-7; Php. 3:19​

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When Jesus returns in the 2nd Advent, He does not touch the earth. He remains in "the air" (1 Thes. 4:17; another name for 1st heaven; Gen. 1:20,26, 7:23 KJB), and all of the resurrected / translated 'saints' are "caught up" to Him, "in the air" "together". That is where Jesus is, in the 2nd Advent, just as He said in Jhn. 14:1-4. Again, in 1 Thes. 4:14, in association with Jhn. 14, God the Father, brings them all back to the "Father's house", with Jesus.

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Psa_11:4 The LORD is in his holy temple, the LORD'S throne is in heaven: his eyes behold, his eyelids try, the children of men.​

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Psa 50:2 Out of Zion, the perfection of beauty, God hath shined.​

Psa 50:3 Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him.​

Psa 50:4 He shall call to the heavens from above, and to the earth, that he may judge his people.​

Psa 50:5 Gather my saints together unto me; those that have made a covenant with me by sacrifice.​

Psa 50:6 And the heavens shall declare his righteousness: for God is judge himself. Selah.​

Mat_24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.​

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Mar_13:27 And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.​

Where are they being gathered to?

Mat_13:30;p ... in the time of harvest ... gather the wheat into my barn. (see also "garner"; Mat. 3:12; Luk. 3:17)​

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Rev 14:16 And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped.​

1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.​

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2Th 2:1;p ... by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,​

Where are they all meeting together? "in the air". The "where I am" of Jesus is always "in heaven".

Where is the city of God, New Jerusalem?

Heb_11:16 But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.​

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Heb_12:22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,​

Jesus in Jhn. 14, is not speaking of the 3rd Advent (back to earth, after 1000 years), but of the 2nd Advent (Heaven), "come again".

Psalms 24, already described, states that the saints shall "ascend" into the place. It took place once, in the 1st Advent, with the special 'firstfruits' resurrection, along with Jesus', and they went with Him in His ascension. So too, in the 2nd Advent, Jesus will once again, gather the great harvest to Himself, "in the air", and they shall all return triumphantly to the Father's house, and enter in through the "gates", even the "everlasting doors" of New Jerusalem "above" (Gal. 4:26 KJB).

Psa 24:3 Who shall ascend into the hill of the LORD? or who shall stand in his holy place?​

Psa 24:4 He that hath clean hands, and a pure heart; who hath not lifted up his soul unto vanity, nor sworn deceitfully.​

Psa 24:5 He shall receive the blessing from the LORD, and righteousness from the God of his salvation.​

Psa 24:6 This is the generation of them that seek him, that seek thy face, O Jacob. Selah.​

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Psa 24:7 Lift up your heads, O ye gates; and be ye lift up, ye everlasting doors; and the King of glory shall come in.​

Psa 24:8 Who is this King of glory? The LORD strong and mighty, the LORD mighty in battle.​

Psa 24:9 Lift up your heads, O ye gates; even lift them up, ye everlasting doors; and the King of glory shall come in.​

Psa 24:10 Who is this King of glory? The LORD of hosts, he is the King of glory. Selah.​

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There, they reign with Christ Jesus ("the LORD" (Son of "the LORD" God the Father), "the LORD of hosts", "the King of glory") for "one thousand years" (Dan. 7:22c; a finite / limited period of time, known also as "the Day of the LORD", &c., see also "time" Dan. 7:22d, in connection with Psa. 84:10, 90:4; 2 Pet. 3:8, &c., at the end of which the earth is entirely taken away from the lost, baptized wholly in fire (cleansing it of all sin, filth), and is "for ever and ever" (eternal, not limited) turned over to them), before coming back to earth, at the end of the 1000 years, which after the destruction of the wicked, the entire earth and its atmosphere shall be made new, on top of the ashes of all the finally impenitent.

 

[Zao is life]

I’m direct with Advent because he is promoting false teaching, and when his errors are clearly shown to him, he simply moves on and continues in them. His handling of Hebrews 11 is where he lost credibility in this study. In fact, if you read Bakelite's response to Rev 5:12 you will see precisely the point.

Looking what you posted below it didnt seem to match with my thoughts. For instance the read it again but this time i'll expand a little:

Rev 20:1 “And I saw an angel come down from heaven” an angel, being a messenger of God. In Revelation 19:10, the presiding angel is associated with the Redeemed (Saints), who, in the days of their glory, will not only be “equal unto the angels” (Luke 20:36) but will also assume responsibility for administering affairs currently managed by the angels under the guidance of the Lord Jesus Christ (Hebrews 1:14; 2:5; 1 Peter 3:22).

What this is saying is that the saints in the earthly Kingdom age will perform works similar to what the angels do now, though unseen. Scripture makes it clear, however, that the saints will also be actively working with the nations and assisting in the preaching of the Gospel during that Kingdom age.

Dealt with this above.

Did you read my words correctly...I said "but will also assume responsibility for administering affairs currently managed by the angels under the guidance of the Lord Jesus Christ"

So while I agree with your statement it only confirms what I wrote.

Here is what I said:

"After the destruction of all organized opposition to Christ’s rule (Revelation 19:21), the nations will be brought under divine law (Isaiah 2:2-4; 26:9; 42:4). To accomplish this, the Redeemed, having been elevated to the political heavens (Revelation 4:1; 5:9-10) will descend to the political earth to instruct and guide the people, “coming down like rain upon the mown grass” (Psalm 72:6)."

Feel free to question or challenge what’s written, I’m happy to work through it with you. It’s possible that some of the phrasing is unfamiliar to you, as it was to Advent, though I believe he understood the symbolism of heaven and earth, and that the whole of Revelation represents God’s judgments on aspects of human history, especially on the apostasy.

No it's all right. My apologies. I expressed my misunderstanding of what you said, but now you made it clear.

 

[Zao is life]

Allow me to reply once more. Reiterating, with additional material. I had said:

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"Jesus was physically standing on earth, but was speaking about leaving earth to the disciples, thus the "where I am" is not on earth:​

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Joh 14:1 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.​

Joh 14:2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.​

The creation of God, is physical - but the spiritual is not. The physical WAS NOT CREATED TO DWELL IN THE SPIRITUAL REALM WHERE GOD'S THRONE IS - UNAPPROACHABLE LIGHT.

Spirit dwells in creation - in the creation which God created.

ONLY THE RESURRECTED CHRIST CAN DWELL WITH THE FATHER IN HIS PRESENCE. HE IS OUR MEDIATOR BETWEEN GOD AND MAN. JESUS IS THE ONLY ONE WHO DWELLS IN, AND WHO COULD DWELL IN THE LIGHT WHICH IS UNAPPROACHABLE.
Jesus is in the Father, and the Father (WHO IS A SPIRIT) is in Him. Jesus is in us and we are in Him - THE FATHER'S HOUSE - WHICH IS IN THE CREATION. In spirit we are already dwelling with Him in HIS FATHER'S HOUSE.

HE FINISHED PREPARING A PLACE FOR US IN THE FATHER'S HOUSE WHEN HE SAID "IT IS FINISHED". HE TOOK US TO BE WITH HIM IN HIS FATHER'S HOUSE AFTER HE ASCENDED TO THE THRONE OF GOD - TO THE UNAPPROACHABLE LIGHT - AND SENT THE HOLY SPIRIT DOWN TO US. HE ALONE DWELLS BODILY IN UNAPPROACHABLE LIGHT AND HE ALONE CAN DWELL BODILY IN THE PRESENCE OF GOD. HE ALONE IS THE MEDIATOR BETWEEN GOD AND MAN. THE PRESENCE OF HIS SPIRIT IN THE CREATION IS THE PRESENCE OF THE SPIRIT OF THE FATHER - IN THE CREATION - GOD'S HOUSE.

God did not create mankind to dwell in heaven. He created them to dwell on His created earth.

 

[Adventageous]

Jesus is in the Father, and the Father (WHO IS A SPIRIT) is in Him.

I assume you are referring to Jhn. 4:24. What do you think "spirit" is? It simply means living intelligence, a mind, having thinking capability, a 'heart', and it does not negate the Father's physical eternal nature, but exists together in unity. You can read more about that in these books here -

1. Godhead (see the chapter on the Father) - Godhead - The Eternal Heavenly Trio : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive​

2. Sincerely Dead (see the chapter on "spirit") - Sincerely Dead Dying, To Know Jesus by brother Aaron Earnest : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive​

So, "Yes, God the Father is “a Spirit” (Jhn. 4:24 KJB), for it means God is living Intelligence, a living thinking all-Wise Being, an eternal Person, but it also means that God is physical, having an eternal “body” of substance, which has a glorious “Head”, which houses that infinite Intellect!"

"Throughout the Bible, the word “spirit” is often connected, in immediate context, to the “heart” or “mind” (intelligence): Exo. 35:21; Deu. 2:30; Jos. 5:1; Psa. 34:18, 51:10,17, 77:6, 78:8, 143:4; Pro. 15:13, 17:22; Ecc. 1:17; Isa. 57:15, 65:14; Eze. 11:19, 18:31, 21:7, 36:26; Mar. 2:8; Jhn. 4:24; Rom. 2:29; Heb. 4:12; 1 Pet. 3:4 KJB; and thus the “spirit” of man, the “heart” of man, is connected with reasoning and thoughts or intelligence: 1 Chr. 28:9; Mat. 9:4; Luk. 2:35, 5:22, 24:38; Rom. 2:15; Eph. 4:23; 2 Tim. 1:7 and so on; see also Job 14:21; Psa. 146:4; Ecc. 9:5,6,10 KJB. See also Pro. 8:22-31 KJB. There are no ‘spirits’ (intelligences) that exist without a body to act on behalf of the thinking mind. Even the angel-kind of 3rd heaven itself, all being ‘spirits’ (living intelligences; Psa. 104:4; Heb. 1:7,14, 12:9 KJB) that ‘minister’ with their physical / corporeal hands and bodies (Psa. 103:20-21 KJB), just as those of mankind also do (Act. 20:34; Heb. 12:23 KJB).

Exodus 35:21 KJB - And they came, every one whose heart stirred him up, and every one whom his spirit made willing, and they brought the LORD’S offering to the work of the tabernacle of the congregation, and for all his service, and for the holy garments.​

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1 Chronicles 28:9 KJB - And thou, Solomon my son, know thou the God of thy father, and serve him with a perfect heart and with a willing mind: for the LORD searcheth all hearts, and understandeth all the imaginations of the thoughts: if thou seek him, he will be found of thee; but if thou forsake him, he will cast thee off for ever.​

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Psalms 34:18 KJB - The LORD is nigh unto them that are of a broken heart; and saveth such as be of a contrite spirit.​

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Psalms 51:10 KJB - Create in me a clean heart, O God; and renew a right spirit within me.​

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Psalms 51:17 KJB - The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit: a broken and a contrite heart, O God, thou wilt not despise.​

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Psalms 77:6 KJB - I call to remembrance my song in the night: I commune with mine own heart: and my spirit made diligent search.​

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Ecclesiastes 1:17 KJB - And I gave my heart to know wisdom, and to know madness and folly: I perceived that this also is vexation of spirit.​

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Matthew 9:4 KJB - And Jesus knowing their thoughts said, Wherefore think ye evil in your hearts?​

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Mark 2:8 KJB - And immediately when Jesus perceived in his spirit that they so reasoned within themselves, he said unto them, Why reason ye these things in your hearts?​

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Luke 2:35 KJB - (Yea, a sword shall pierce through thy own soul also,) that the thoughts of many hearts may be revealed.​

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Ephesians 4:23 KJB - And be renewed in the spirit of your mind;​

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Hebrews 4:12 KJB - For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.​

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2 Timothy 1:7 KJB - For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.​

God the Father is not merely a floating intelligence pervading the created universe, as if having no body or parts, for in that direction, a person will end up in the dual errors of pantheism (God is all things), and / or panentheism (God is in all things). God the Father is not a ‘perfume’, a mere incorporeal ‘essence’. He is not an aethereal essence pervading the universe, or as if He were the universe itself, for both of those false teachings are gross heresies that destroy the Gospel itself and would even place God in the sinner, including satan himself, which is a violation of Rev. 3:20 KJB. God is omnipresent through omniscience (Psa. 139:1-24 KJB). What does the Bible say, where God actually is?

Matthew 6:9 KJB - After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. (See also Luk. 11:2 KJB)​

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Matthew 16:17 KJB - And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.​

The 3rd “heaven”, also known as “paradise”, and God’s “garden” of heavenly “eden”, is a real tangible place, just beyond the first (atmosphere; Gen. 1:20 KJB) and second heavens (local Sol system; Gen. 1:14-19 KJB), filled with living beings (Eze. 28:13; Luk. 23:43; 2 Cor. 12:2,4; Rev. 2:7, 12:12, 22:2,14 KJB).

The Father dwells there “in heaven” (Mat. 5:16,45,48, 6:1,9, 7:11,21, 10:32,33, 12:50, 16:17, 18:10,14,19, 23:9; Mar. 11:25,26; Luk. 11:3, Jhn. 12:28, 17:1; 1 Jhn. 5:7 KJB), though by His omniscient mind (Job 21:22, 40:2; Psa. 113:5-6; Isa. 40:13-14, 46:9-10; Rom. 11:34; 1 Cor. 2:16 KJB) is everywhere present (omnipresent; 1 Kin. 8:27,39; 2 Chr. 2:6, 6:18,30; Psa. 11:4, 14:2, 53:2; Pro. 15:11 KJB) by His all-knowing (Psa. 139:1-24 KJB). He is a “Person” (Job 13:8; Heb. 1:3 KJB), of which His Son (Jesus) is the “express image” of.

God is local (Gen. 4:16; Exo. 19:17,21, 20:21, 33:14-15; Num. 23:15; Deu. 5:5; 1 Kin. 19:11 KJB), has dwelt among mankind (Exo. 25:8, 29:43-45; Lev. 26:11-12; 1 Kin. 6:11-13, 8:13; 2 Chr. 6:2,18; Psa. 132:14; Mic. 1:2; Hab. 2:20; Zec. 2:10; Rev. 21:3 KJB), moves about (Gen. 17:22, 18:33; Exo. 19:20; Num. 12:5, 23:4; Deu. 33:2; Jdg. 5:4; 1 Sam. 4:7; Psa. 47:5, 67:8, 68:7; Jer. 14:8; Eze. 11:23; Mic. 1:3; Hab. 3:3; Zec. 2:13 KJB), utilizes modes and means of travel (2 Sam. 22:11; Psa. 18:10, 104:3; Hab. 3:8,15; Zec. 9:14 KJB), and the Father, and the Son, have been seen in their form (Gen. 18:1, 35:9, 48:3; Exo. 24:9-11; 2 Chr. 7:12; Job 42:5-6; Isa. 6:1; Eze. 1:26-27, 8:1-2,4; 43:2-3; Dan. 7:9-10; Amo. 9:1; Rev. 4:2-3 KJB). ..."

As for the word "in", it refers to the Father knowing all there is of the Son, and likewise the Son all there is to know of the Father (Mat. 11:27; Luk. 10:22 KJB). Just as a person who knows another intimately, is also in their mind, by their words and actions remembered / cherished.

For more, please see the chapters recommended. Thank you.

 

[Adventageous]

God did not create mankind to dwell in heaven. He created them to dwell on His created earth.

I partially agree with you. Mankind (glorified) shall indeed dwell on the earth (made new). That does not mean that they do not have access to Heaven, even as Adam did before, as head-representative of humanity for this world, even as the 'god of this world', before submitting to the devil, and he becoming the 'god of this world', and having access to Heaven by being the chief representative thereof (see Job 1-2; 1 Kin. 22; 2 Chr. 18). If you need more details I can provide them from scripture.

Mankind shall indeed enter the 3rd Heaven, for 1000 years, as shall be demonstrated in future presentations on Rev. 20.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Jesus in Jhn. 14, is not speaking of the 3rd Advent (back to earth, after 1000 years), but of the 2nd Advent (Heaven), "come again".

Scripture never teaches a 3rd Advent of Christ. It teaches that He will descend from heaven in the same manner He ascended there, which was visibly and bodily (Acts 1:9-11). It says He will appear for the second time without sin unto salvation (Hebrews 9:28). It never teaches that He will also appear a third time.

At His 2nd Advent He will physically dissolve and burn up the heavens and the earth (2 Peter 3:10-12) and will then have all people gathered before Him to be judged (Matthew 25:31-46). Believers will then inherit "eternal life" in the kingdom prepared for us from the foundation of the world (Matthew 25:34,46) in the new heavens and new earth that we should all be looking for in fulfillment of the promise of Christ's second coming (2 Peter 3:13). At that point unbelievers will be cast into "everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels" (Matthew 25:41), which is also called "the lake of fire" (Rev 20:15).

 

[Adventageous]

Scripture never teaches a 3rd Advent of Christ. It teaches that He will descend from heaven in the same manner He ascended there, which was visibly and bodily (Acts 1:9-11). It says He will appear for the second time without sin unto salvation (Hebrews 9:28). It never teaches that He will also appear a third time.

At His 2nd Advent He will physically dissolve and burn up the heavens and the earth (2 Peter 3:10-12) and will then have all people gathered before Him to be judged (Matthew 25:31-46). Believers will then inherit "eternal life" in the kingdom prepared for us from the foundation of the world (Matthew 25:34,46) in the new heavens and new earth that we should all be looking for in fulfillment of the promise of Christ's second coming (2 Peter 3:13). At that point unbelievers will be cast into "everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels" (Matthew 25:41), which is also called "the lake of fire" (Rev 20:15).

2 Pet. 3:10 has two phases in a single sentence, 1000 years apart, if one will reconsider it in the light of Rev. 6:14 (Isa. 34:4), & Rev. 20:7-10,11-15.

2Pe 3:10 But the day of the Lord [is not a single moment in time, nor a 24hr day; but is the final 1000 years; Psa. 84:10, 90:4; 2 Pet. 3:8, &c.] will come as a thief in the night; in the which

• Phase 1 [beginning the 1000 years, the "day of the LORD"; 2nd Advent; Rev. 6:14, &c.] : the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and (in addition to)

Rev 6:14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.​

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Rev 6:17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?​

• Phase 2 [ending the 1000 years, the "day of the LORD"; 3rd Advent; Rev. 20:7-10,11-15] : the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Rev 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,​

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Rev 20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.​

Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.​

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Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.​

Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.​

The same two phases are seen in Mat. 24:35; Mar. 13:31; Luk. 21:33; &c.

 

[Zao is life]

I assume you are referring to Jhn. 4:24. What do you think "spirit" is? It simply means living intelligence, a mind, having thinking capability, a 'heart', and it does not negate the Father's physical eternal nature, but exists together in unity. You can read more about that in these books here -

1. Godhead (see the chapter on the Father) - Godhead - The Eternal Heavenly Trio : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive​

2. Sincerely Dead (see the chapter on "spirit") - Sincerely Dead Dying, To Know Jesus by brother Aaron Earnest : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive​

So, "Yes, God the Father is “a Spirit” (Jhn. 4:24 KJB), for it means God is living Intelligence, a living thinking all-Wise Being, an eternal Person, but it also means that God is physical, having an eternal “body” of substance, which has a glorious “Head”, which houses that infinite Intellect!"

"Throughout the Bible, the word “spirit” is often connected, in immediate context, to the “heart” or “mind” (intelligence): Exo. 35:21; Deu. 2:30; Jos. 5:1; Psa. 34:18, 51:10,17, 77:6, 78:8, 143:4; Pro. 15:13, 17:22; Ecc. 1:17; Isa. 57:15, 65:14; Eze. 11:19, 18:31, 21:7, 36:26; Mar. 2:8; Jhn. 4:24; Rom. 2:29; Heb. 4:12; 1 Pet. 3:4 KJB; and thus the “spirit” of man, the “heart” of man, is connected with reasoning and thoughts or intelligence: 1 Chr. 28:9; Mat. 9:4; Luk. 2:35, 5:22, 24:38; Rom. 2:15; Eph. 4:23; 2 Tim. 1:7 and so on; see also Job 14:21; Psa. 146:4; Ecc. 9:5,6,10 KJB. See also Pro. 8:22-31 KJB. There are no ‘spirits’ (intelligences) that exist without a body to act on behalf of the thinking mind. Even the angel-kind of 3rd heaven itself, all being ‘spirits’ (living intelligences; Psa. 104:4; Heb. 1:7,14, 12:9 KJB) that ‘minister’ with their physical / corporeal hands and bodies (Psa. 103:20-21 KJB), just as those of mankind also do (Act. 20:34; Heb. 12:23 KJB).

Exodus 35:21 KJB - And they came, every one whose heart stirred him up, and every one whom his spirit made willing, and they brought the LORD’S offering to the work of the tabernacle of the congregation, and for all his service, and for the holy garments.​

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1 Chronicles 28:9 KJB - And thou, Solomon my son, know thou the God of thy father, and serve him with a perfect heart and with a willing mind: for the LORD searcheth all hearts, and understandeth all the imaginations of the thoughts: if thou seek him, he will be found of thee; but if thou forsake him, he will cast thee off for ever.​

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Psalms 34:18 KJB - The LORD is nigh unto them that are of a broken heart; and saveth such as be of a contrite spirit.​

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Psalms 51:10 KJB - Create in me a clean heart, O God; and renew a right spirit within me.​

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Psalms 51:17 KJB - The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit: a broken and a contrite heart, O God, thou wilt not despise.​

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Psalms 77:6 KJB - I call to remembrance my song in the night: I commune with mine own heart: and my spirit made diligent search.​

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Ecclesiastes 1:17 KJB - And I gave my heart to know wisdom, and to know madness and folly: I perceived that this also is vexation of spirit.​

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Matthew 9:4 KJB - And Jesus knowing their thoughts said, Wherefore think ye evil in your hearts?​

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Mark 2:8 KJB - And immediately when Jesus perceived in his spirit that they so reasoned within themselves, he said unto them, Why reason ye these things in your hearts?​

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Luke 2:35 KJB - (Yea, a sword shall pierce through thy own soul also,) that the thoughts of many hearts may be revealed.​

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Ephesians 4:23 KJB - And be renewed in the spirit of your mind;​

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Hebrews 4:12 KJB - For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.​

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2 Timothy 1:7 KJB - For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.​

God the Father is not merely a floating intelligence pervading the created universe, as if having no body or parts, for in that direction, a person will end up in the dual errors of pantheism (God is all things), and / or panentheism (God is in all things). God the Father is not a ‘perfume’, a mere incorporeal ‘essence’. He is not an aethereal essence pervading the universe, or as if He were the universe itself, for both of those false teachings are gross heresies that destroy the Gospel itself and would even place God in the sinner, including satan himself, which is a violation of Rev. 3:20 KJB. God is omnipresent through omniscience (Psa. 139:1-24 KJB). What does the Bible say, where God actually is?

Matthew 6:9 KJB - After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. (See also Luk. 11:2 KJB)​

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Matthew 16:17 KJB - And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.​

The 3rd “heaven”, also known as “paradise”, and God’s “garden” of heavenly “eden”, is a real tangible place, just beyond the first (atmosphere; Gen. 1:20 KJB) and second heavens (local Sol system; Gen. 1:14-19 KJB), filled with living beings (Eze. 28:13; Luk. 23:43; 2 Cor. 12:2,4; Rev. 2:7, 12:12, 22:2,14 KJB).

The Father dwells there “in heaven” (Mat. 5:16,45,48, 6:1,9, 7:11,21, 10:32,33, 12:50, 16:17, 18:10,14,19, 23:9; Mar. 11:25,26; Luk. 11:3, Jhn. 12:28, 17:1; 1 Jhn. 5:7 KJB), though by His omniscient mind (Job 21:22, 40:2; Psa. 113:5-6; Isa. 40:13-14, 46:9-10; Rom. 11:34; 1 Cor. 2:16 KJB) is everywhere present (omnipresent; 1 Kin. 8:27,39; 2 Chr. 2:6, 6:18,30; Psa. 11:4, 14:2, 53:2; Pro. 15:11 KJB) by His all-knowing (Psa. 139:1-24 KJB). He is a “Person” (Job 13:8; Heb. 1:3 KJB), of which His Son (Jesus) is the “express image” of.

God is local (Gen. 4:16; Exo. 19:17,21, 20:21, 33:14-15; Num. 23:15; Deu. 5:5; 1 Kin. 19:11 KJB), has dwelt among mankind (Exo. 25:8, 29:43-45; Lev. 26:11-12; 1 Kin. 6:11-13, 8:13; 2 Chr. 6:2,18; Psa. 132:14; Mic. 1:2; Hab. 2:20; Zec. 2:10; Rev. 21:3 KJB), moves about (Gen. 17:22, 18:33; Exo. 19:20; Num. 12:5, 23:4; Deu. 33:2; Jdg. 5:4; 1 Sam. 4:7; Psa. 47:5, 67:8, 68:7; Jer. 14:8; Eze. 11:23; Mic. 1:3; Hab. 3:3; Zec. 2:13 KJB), utilizes modes and means of travel (2 Sam. 22:11; Psa. 18:10, 104:3; Hab. 3:8,15; Zec. 9:14 KJB), and the Father, and the Son, have been seen in their form (Gen. 18:1, 35:9, 48:3; Exo. 24:9-11; 2 Chr. 7:12; Job 42:5-6; Isa. 6:1; Eze. 1:26-27, 8:1-2,4; 43:2-3; Dan. 7:9-10; Amo. 9:1; Rev. 4:2-3 KJB). ..."

As for the word "in", it refers to the Father knowing all there is of the Son, and likewise the Son all there is to know of the Father (Mat. 11:27; Luk. 10:22 KJB). Just as a person who knows another intimately, is also in their mind, by their words and actions remembered / cherished.

For more, please see the chapters recommended. Thank you.

I do not need to read your books when they like you have done in the above post, they will have conflated the creature with the Creator.

You can read more here:

Alive

god-of-the-living.blogspot.com

 

[Zao is life]

Mankind (glorified) shall indeed dwell on the earth (made new). That does not mean that they do not have access to Heaven, even as Adam did before, as head-representative of humanity for this world,

You're full of religious ideas not produced by the biblical scriptures or supported in the biblical scriptures.

If you need more details you will find all the scriptures you need that expose all your errors and invented non-biblical theology here:

Alive

god-of-the-living.blogspot.com

I do not expect that your ears will be open to sound biblical doctrine though - your ears are shut because your mouth is wide open "teaching" your own non-biblical religious ideas and the religious ideas of the sect you belong to - which as can be seen by the books you link to, has developed a mountain of its own theology based on falsehoods.

Hence your mind is closed to the Holy Spirit's illumination of words of God in the Bible.

But if you like you can read through the scriptures given in the above Blog.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

2 Pet. 3:10 has two phases in a single sentence, 1000 years apart,

No, it absolutely does not. There is no hint of that in the text whatsoever.

if one will reconsider it in the light of Rev. 6:14 (Isa. 34:4), & Rev. 20:7-10,11-15.

In consideration of it in light of all of scripture, it means that Jesus will dissolve the heavens and the elements and burn up the earth when He comes again unexpectedly as a thief in the night. No scripture says otherwise.

2Pe 3:10 But the day of the Lord [is not a single moment in time, nor a 24hr day; but is the final 1000 years; Psa. 84:10, 90:4; 2 Pet. 3:8, &c.] will come as a thief in the night;

Nonsense. How can 1,000 years come unexpectedly as a thief in the night bringing "sudden destruction" upon unbelievers from which "they shall not escape" (1 Thessalonians 5:2-3)? Both Paul, in 1 Thess 5:2-3 and Peter in 2 Peter 3:10-12 indicate that the day of the Lord will be both an unexpected and sudden event. You are blatantly contradicting not only what is written in 2 Peter 3:10-12, but also 1 Thessalonians 5:2-3 about the day of the Lord.

in the which

• Phase 1 [beginning the 1000 years, the "day of the LORD"; 2nd Advent; Rev. 6:14, &c.] : the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and (in addition to)

Rev 6:14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.​

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Rev 6:17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?​

In no way, shape or form does Peter speak of the heavens passing away as phase 1 of the destruction that will occur on the day of the Lord. You are blatantly twisting the text to fit your beliefs.

• Phase 2 [ending the 1000 years, the "day of the LORD"; 3rd Advent; Rev. 20:7-10,11-15] : the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

In no way, shape or form does Peter hint at the ludicrous idea that the destruction of the elements and the earth would occur 1,000 years after the dissolving of the heavens. You are inserting 1,000 year gap into the text for no good reason at all. It's similar to how dispensationalists try to insert a gap between the 69th and 70th weeks. Just a blatant case of twisting the text to fit your doctrine.

Rev 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,​

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Rev 20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.​

Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.​

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Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.​

Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.​

The same two phases are seen in Mat. 24:35; Mar. 13:31; Luk. 21:33; &c.

No, they are not. Nowhere does it indicate that the destruction of the heavens and earth will occur in two phases. You have made that up in your imagination.

Tell me, in which of your imaginary 2 phases of the destruction related to the day of the Lord is Paul referring to when he refers to "sudden destruction" coming upon unbelievers from which "they shall not escape" (1 Thessalonians 5:2-3)?

 

[Zao is life]

2 Pet. 3:10 has two phases in a single sentence, 1000 years apart, if one will reconsider it in the light of Rev. 6:14 (Isa. 34:4), & Rev. 20:7-10,11-15.

Your theology is very, very confused because you flatly ignore all the scriptures in the Revelation that have the New Heavens and New Earth commencing at the time of the bodily resurrection to take place at the return of Christ - though your own table you linked to shows it.

COMMON THEMES IN THE REVELATION
AND THE NEW TESTAMENT
THAT LINK THE RETURN OF CHRIST TO
THE COMMENCEMENT OF THE NEW HEAVENS AND NEW EARTH​

Your own Revelation Table shows this:

END OF THE AGE

In Revelation 7:13-17 we read about a great multitude, which no man could number, that came out from great tribulation, which they had experienced before the return of Christ, and the throne of God is among them, and all tears will be wiped from their eyes. (Revelation 7:13-17).

BRIDE OF CHRIST PREPARED AS A BRIDE

Revelation 21:2:
"And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband."

-- The same promises made to those who came out from great tribulation are made to the bride of Christ, New Jerusalem, in a New Heavens and Earth which John saw "descending out of heaven from God.": The throne of God is among them, and all tears will be wiped from their eyes. (Revelation 21:2-4).

Revelation 19:7-8: "Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready. And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints."

"It is Done!"​

ARMAGEDDON

"Behold, I am coming as a thief. Blessed is the one who watches and keeps his garments, lest he walk naked and they see his shame.

--- And he gathered them into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon. And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air. ---

And a great voice came out of the temple of Heaven, from the throne, saying,

--- It is done! "--- (Revelation 16:15-17)​

ALL THINGS NEW

"And He sitting on the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And He said to me, Write, for these words are true and faithful. And He said to me,

--- It is done ---.​

I am the Alpha and Omega, the Beginning and the End. To him who thirsts I will give of the fountain of the water of life freely. He who overcomes will inherit all things, and I will be his God, and he will be My son.

But the fearful, and the unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, will have their part in the Lake burning with fire and brimstone, which is the second death."
(Revelation 21:5-8)

TREE OF LIFE

"Behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give to each according as his work is. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End, the First and the Last. Blessed are they who do His commandments, that their authority will be over the Tree of Life, and they may enter in by the gates into the city.

But outside are the dogs, and the sorcerers, and the fornicators, and the murderers, and the idolaters, and everyone who loves and makes a lie. I, Jesus, have sent My angel to testify these things to you over the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, the bright and Morning Star.

And the Spirit and the bride say, Come! And let the one hearing say, Come! And let him who is thirsty come.

And he willing, let him take of the water of life freely. (Revelation 22:12-17).

THEME: THE THRONE OF CHRIST AND THE JUDGEMENT OF THE DEAD

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"God has set A DAY on which he is going to judge the world in righteousness, by a man whom he designated, having provided proof to everyone by raising him from the dead." (Acts 17:31).

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John 5:26-29
"For as the Father hath life [zoe] in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life [zoe] in himself; And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man. Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

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"And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes on Him should have everlasting life [ainios zoe]. And I will raise [anistemi] him up at the last day." (John 6:40).

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THE RESURRECTION OF THE BODY, IMMORTALITY, AND "NO MORE DEATH"​

Revelation 21:4 says,

"God will wipe away all tears from their eyes. And there will be no more death, nor mourning, nor crying out, nor will there be any more pain; for the first things passed away." (Revelation 21:4).

The resurrection of the body; and immortality; and "no more death" go hand in glove together:

"When this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory." (1 Corinthians 15:54 - Paul was writing to the Corinthians about the resurrection of the body from the dead).

CHAPTERS 4 & 15: SYMBOLS AND COMMON THEMES​

Four beasts mentioned in both passages.

Sea of glass mentioned in both passages.

24 elders clothed in white raiment / crowns [stephanos] of gold on their heads (Revelation 4:4).

Those who had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, are seen standing on the sea of glass, having the harps of God (Revelation 15:2).

In Revelation 20:4-6 the same ones are seen alive and reigning with Christ - and John calls it "the first resurrection".

It tells you that neither the New Heavens and Earth NOR the thousand years commenced before the return of Christ - but both commence at the time of the return of Christ.

YOUR OWN TABLES SHOW IT - but your theology contradicts your own work!

Strange.

In the first three chapters of biblical scripture we read about:

(a) Satan's deception of Adam & Eve (which began with the words "You will NOT surely die" - Genesis 3:1-7, 11-19).

(b) Expulsion from Eden (Genesis 3:22-24).

(c) Death of Adam (the first death) - 930 years later (Genesis 5:5).

IN-BETWEEN THE FIRST THREE CHAPTERS AND THE LAST THREE CHAPTERS:

--- "I am the Resurrection [anastasis]
and the (eternal) life [zoe]!" (John 11:25 - Jesus) ---​

The last three chapters just happen to contain ALL the following things:

1. The judgment of the dead.
2. The ages of the ages of a new heavens and new earth.
3. The binding of Satan's ability to deceive the nations.
4. A one thousand year period.
5. Satan's final deception of the nations (Gog & Magog) at the close of that one thousand year period (The first deception began with the words, "You will NOT surely die").
6. The final end of those who rebelled against the Word of God:

.. and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them." (Revelation 20:7-9).

It's not the same as what happened when Adam and Eve rebelled against the Word of God:

Matthew 10:28
"Fear not them which kill the body [soma], but are not able to kill the soul [psuche]: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul [psuche] and body [soma] in gehennah [G1067 geenna]."

The New Testament uses the word gehennah every time Jesus talks about the everlasting destruction of body and soul. Gehennah and the lake of fire burning with brimstone both represent an everlasting destruction of body and soul.

Revelation 19:20 (previous chapter) tells us that the beast and the false prophet were both thrown alive [zao] into the lake of fire burning with brimstone. The concept of being damned while alive [zao] is not extra-biblical or alien to scripture.

"And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night to the ages of the ages." (Revelation 20:10).

The description of the judgment of the dead in verses 11-15 is referring back to what took place when Christ returned.

"The nations were enraged, but your wrath has come, and the time has come for the dead to be judged, and the time has come to give to your servants, the prophets, their reward, as well as to the saints and to those who revere your name, both small and great, and the time has come to destroy those who destroy the earth." (Revelation 11:18 - when the 7th trumpet sounded).

Revelation 20:1-10 are parenthetic verses.

Your own table of the Revelation verses shows it.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Your theology is very, very confused because you flatly ignore all the scriptures in the Revelation that have the New Heavens and New Earth commencing at the time of the bodily resurrection of Christ

I'm sure you meant to refer to the bodily resurrection of the dead in Christ here and not to the resurrection of Christ Himself, right? I know you believe, as I do, that the new heavens and new earth will be ushered in when Christ returns, which is when the dead in Christ will be resurrected.

 

[Zao is life]

I'm sure you meant to refer to the bodily resurrection of the dead in Christ here and not to the resurrection of Christ Himself, right? I know you believe, as I do, that the new heavens and new earth will be ushered in when Christ returns, which is when the dead in Christ will be resurrected.

Yes, thank you. I was referring to the bodily resurrection to take place at the time of the return of Christ. I will change it.