Flat Earth Theory

[David in NJ]

You're not telling the truth though.
Genesis 1:16

I can't take you seriously at this point. You claim you're about God's word and yet you deny through your own ideology,all of it.

Not just in this thread but in the Sabbath one and the ten commandments one too.

I think you're trolling as a Contrarian.

I'm not to have anything to do with such works as that.
I would also say that no Christian is.

Nowhere in Scripture does God declare that the Sun illuminates the Moon and the Stars.

Satan will tell you that, but GOD never declared such!!!

Then God said, “Let there be lights in the firmament of the heavens to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs and seasons, and for days and years; and let them be for lights in the firmament of the heavens to give light on the earth”; and it was so.
Then God made two great lights: the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night. He made the stars also.
God set them in the firmament of the heavens to give light on the earth, and to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness. And God saw that it was good. So the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

@talons @Shalomhalom

SHALOM to all in CHRIST

 

[talons]

@talons , these questions apply to you and everyone = no one is exempt.

Must have lost my exemption card , oh well .

Who is Satan?

The Accuser .

What power does he hold?

That which God allows him to have .

How long has he been involved in human affairs?

As long as God has allowed .

How much authority and control does he exert on human affairs?

As much as God allows .

How long have you been alive on earth

Since my birth .

and from whom did you learn?

Pretty much everyone I came in contact with and read things from those I have not been in contact with . The Holy Spirit .

 

[Shalomhalom]

It would certainly be a great scheme, an outstanding systematic plan. But great schemes do happen, or are at least already believed to happen in a major scale. Have you ever gone outside at night to look up at the moon, and considered just how wild it would have been for us to get on it?

If we got on the moon, it was a great scheme. If we didn't get on it, it was a great scheme to have so many people believe it. Yes, only one of those might be a conspiracy, but conspiracies exist.

As for all countries being in on it, I'm not so sure. For all I know, smaller countries with less power may be declaring flat earth, or at least not declaring globe earth, and their messages are just hidden from us. I wouldn't know. Our major internet search engines already have the ability to shadowban topics, and they seem to at times. But then there is the angle of money and power. If a government holds the key to space, and space is vast and explorable, then the government holds power. What was it I quoted earlier? 25 billion USD was NASA's budget the previous year? It could be some governments are coerced, silenced, incentivized, etc. to allow the globe model to be pushed. It is not necessarily true you would know what's actually going on with every country.

It is even said that another country had warships outside of the United States ready to launch an attack if Hilary Clinton won the election. Did I hear about that from mainstream media in the States? Nope, but it was evidently on the newspapers in other countries. And I imagine most Americans don't know about that, either. Point is, if our government wants us to think something, or doesn't want us to know something, they might be a bit more influential in our knowledge and lack thereof than we think.

Why are space agencies interlinked with governments? Also, have governments proven to be untrustworthy?

Shalomhalom, at what point does "unlikely" become "impossible"? And if it's not impossible, then do you respect the logical possibility of it?

I don’t say it’s impossible. But when I think about the connectedness of our modern world, I have a really hard time imagining that all the cornerstones of today’s world are into it, in some way. It would mean Trump, Putin and Jinping, or at least the “government” they represent, all know about it, working together to bring about this great scheme. Do you know what that would mean, what that would imply?

Also, when you think about how this all started. It was soon after World War II. From then, no, it probably had to be before that time, they were already united in such a way as to get through with it, not fearing opposition from anyone, no one dared to prove them wrong or anything. They all went along with it, producing the necessary media and education to deceive the whole world, successfully.

Frankly, that doesn’t make any sense. If this really is the case, that would have to mean that all the higher officials, statesmen, scientists, all the people who had any sort of power or influence, would have to be united in some form of secret society, from where they could, together, plan this whole thing in such a way as to get through with it, without any disturbance from the outsiders, without any suspicion or whatever.

So, is all of this possible? Sure it is, but what is the evidence? I don’t mean the evidence of the flat earth right now, but evidence for the conspiracy itself. And that’s what I don’t see. I don’t see any evidence for that, although I admit I haven’t looked into that stuff, considerably. And I mean, that’s understandable. Because, upon the supposition that there is such a conspiracy, surely they would make sure, as I have written above, logically, to hide themselves as good as they can, with the result that it is hard to get any concrete evidence. I understand that, too. But I don’t think it’s possible to hide such a conspiracy a hundred percent.

Since my mind likes to connect dots, I automatically see what it would mean if there really is this grand conspiracy. I basically couldn’t trust anything from any state of any significance. That’s a really hard sell.

Who is Satan?
What power does he hold?
How long has he been involved in human affairs?
How much authority and control does he exert on human affairs?

I believe all that. But Satan also needs to use means, as he made use of the snake in the garden. And in our world today, if this grand conspiracy is true, I really don’t see any other way for all of this to work but upon the supposition of a secret society, which involves all the mighty men in the world, and then probably also itself under the head and leadership of Satan himself, or any of his angels, since all of that is so incredible. No human could come up with that kind of thing, in my opinion.

 

[David in NJ]

Must have lost my exemption card , oh well .

LOL - love it

Please do not assimilate human parody upon the Holy Scriptures that have been presented to us from the Holy Spirit.

Take note of @Shalomhalom and his honest respectful response = which i have posted herein below:

I believe all that. But Satan also needs to use means, as he made use of the snake in the garden. And in our world today, if this grand conspiracy is true, I really don’t see any other way for all of this to work but upon the supposition of a secret society, which involves all the mighty men in the world, and then probably also itself under the head and leadership of Satan himself, or any of his angels, since all of that is so incredible. No human could come up with that kind of thing, in my opinion.

Thank you @Shalomhalom

@talons and @Shalomhalom = Here is the TRUTH from God's Mouth to your ears and heart(hopefully it makes it to your heart)

Here is GOD's TRUTH that enables us to SEE

a.) God created Satan BEFORE the earth/animals/man.

b.) When God created Satan his original name was 'Lucifer' and he was created as the Highest Angel as a special Cherubim.
Ezekiel 28:11-17

c.) Satan is "the god/ruler of this age/world" 2 Cor 4:4 , Matthew 4:8-9 , Revelation chapter 12

d.) Satan's power and authority covers every person who comes into the world = Eph 2:1-3 , 2 Timothy 2:26 , 1 John 5:19

e.) God Says there is a worldwide conspiracy Headed by Satan amongst the kings/mighty men/intellectuals/elite secret socities and all levels of government. = Genesis 6:1-7 , Genesis/Nimrod , Book of Daniel , Revelation 19:19 , Revelation 20:7-10

 

[Button]

Can you back that claim up by evidence? And are you aware that there are many more space agencies? Are they all into it? Are they all satanic? Space agencies are highly connected with the governments of the world. That would mean the governments themselves, of the mightiest countries in the world, are all into it, too. How does that work? Again, see my post number #1730, where I refer back to my original question. Please, you too, try to answer thoroughly, if you can.



And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.

This is the text. Where does it say the stars & moon borrow their light from the sun? I’m honestly confused right now. Help me out, or cite the right text. Maybe you misspoke.

I didnt misspeak.

 

[talons]

LOL - love it

a.) God created Satan BEFORE the earth/animals/man.

Satan would have been a member of the host of heaven not yet fallen when created .

b.) When God created Satan his original name was 'Lucifer' and he was created as the Highest Angel as a special Cherubim.
Ezekiel 28:11-1c.)

The name "Lucifer" only appears once in the Bible in the book of Isaiah , I can't find Lucifer in Ezekiel .

Satan is "the god/ruler of this age/world" 2 Cor 4:4 , Matthew 4:8-9 , Revelation chapter 12

Yes but he can only rule with the power God allows him to have .

d.) Satan's power and authority covers every person who comes into the world = Eph 2:1-3 , 2 Timothy 2:26 , 1 John 5:19

The unsaved are in much greater peril from Satan if he chooses to use them , they have none of the protection God provides us as Christians . Armor .

18We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.

19And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.

e.) God Says there is a worldwide conspiracy Headed by Satan amongst the kings/mighty men/intellectuals/elite secret socities and all levels of government. = Genesis 6:1-7 , Genesis/Nimrod , Book of Daniel , Revelation 19:19 , Revelation 20:7-10

Satan knows where I live but God does also , I have had visits .

2 Corinthians 12:2 Context​

1It is not expedient for me doubtless to glory. I will come to visions and revelations of the Lord. 2I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the third heaven. 3And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) 4How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter. 5Of such an one will I glory: yet of myself I will not glory, but in mine infirmities.

 

[Shalomhalom]

I didnt misspeak.

Alright then, since you can’t answer my question, it seems you admit that you were simply mistaken.

 

[David in NJ]

Satan would have been a member of the host of heaven not yet fallen when created .


The name "Lucifer" only appears once in the Bible in the book of Isaiah , I can't find Lucifer in Ezekiel .


The unsaved are in much greater peril from Satan if he chooses to use them , they have none of the protection God provides us as Christians . Armor .

18We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.

19And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.

Satan knows where I live but God does also , I have had visits .

2 Corinthians 12:2 Context​

1It is not expedient for me doubtless to glory. I will come to visions and revelations of the Lord. 2I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the third heaven. 3And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) 4How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter. 5Of such an one will I glory: yet of myself I will not glory, but in mine infirmities.

God only needs to Speak Truth once for it to remain Truth.

Ball earth is same as those who trust in pre-trib rapture and reject Christ's Prophecy/Testimony in the Gospel as well as that of the Apostles.

Yes but he can only rule with the power God allows him to have .

Satan's power and authority are CLEARLY given to us in the Scriptures i posted for you = CLEAR and CONCISE

Wet ball earth is part of Satan's End Time deception upon the world = and most everyone is in on it including christians.
Thus the success Satan as "god" of this age/world to deceive.

 

[Button]

Alright then, since you can’t answer my question, it seems you admit that you were simply mistaken.

Not at all.

I refuse to play your game any further.

 

[Grailhunter]

You guys are all wrong. The earth is hot dog shaped and no rotation or orbit it just travels through space looking for a bun that is Heaven. And when the hot dog goes in the bun we are all saved....universalism. The moon is a flat cheese pizza. The sun is a flashlight that is turned off at night. The stars are angels.

 

[Rudometkin]

Not at all.

I refuse to play your game any further.

They're not playing a game, they're asking fair questions and even doing a lot of the heavy lifting for you to keep the discussion coherent.

This is what being reasonable looks like, and you're calling it a game.

So what should they be doing instead to be reasonable?

 

[Button]

They're not playing a game, they're asking fair questions and even doing a lot of the heavy lifting for you to keep the discussion coherent.

This is what being reasonable looks like, and you're calling it a game.

So what should they be doing instead to be reasonable?

Start by having just one account.

 

[Psalm-147:3]

I am not going to deny that there are some good arguments proposed by flat earthers, also here in this thread. But nevertheless, I have a really hard time believing that basically all the governments of the world are into it, since that necessarily follows if the flat earth theory is true. That would have to mean that the Space Agencies (which are interlinked with the governments, of course) of all the countries in the world are infiltrated by conspirators, working together to produce and bring about this great scheme.

How is this possible? Do we really have grounds for believing so? Well, I don’t see it, personally. That seems to be too big of a thing.

You are so close to seeing the truth. Yes they are. Why? Because they decided to worship the enemy. They serve the devil, thats how they get into power. The enemy is behind all this and he is very smart. So maybe you start there, if you realize the evil in this world and the people following the enemy and acting out all this evil, you will understand that it all fits together and then you can accept it. Its tough to realize it all, because it shatters the world view we once had, but it is worth it. Because its truth and the truth sets us free. God bless

 

[Psalm-147:3]

I don’t say it’s impossible. But when I think about the connectedness of our modern world, I have a really hard time imagining that all the cornerstones of today’s world are into it, in some way. It would mean Trump, Putin and Jinping, or at least the “government” they represent, all know about it, working together to bring about this great scheme. Do you know what that would mean, what that would imply?

Also, when you think about how this all started. It was soon after World War II. From then, no, it probably had to be before that time, they were already united in such a way as to get through with it, not fearing opposition from anyone, no one dared to prove them wrong or anything. They all went along with it, producing the necessary media and education to deceive the whole world, successfully.

Frankly, that doesn’t make any sense. If this really is the case, that would have to mean that all the higher officials, statesmen, scientists, all the people who had any sort of power or influence, would have to be united in some form of secret society, from where they could, together, plan this whole thing in such a way as to get through with it, without any disturbance from the outsiders, without any suspicion or whatever.

So, is all of this possible? Sure it is, but what is the evidence? I don’t mean the evidence of the flat earth right now, but evidence for the conspiracy itself. And that’s what I don’t see. I don’t see any evidence for that, although I admit I haven’t looked into that stuff, considerably. And I mean, that’s understandable. Because, upon the supposition that there is such a conspiracy, surely they would make sure, as I have written above, logically, to hide themselves as good as they can, with the result that it is hard to get any concrete evidence. I understand that, too. But I don’t think it’s possible to hide such a conspiracy a hundred percent.

Since my mind likes to connect dots, I automatically see what it would mean if there really is this grand conspiracy. I basically couldn’t trust anything from any state of any significance. That’s a really hard sell.



I believe all that. But Satan also needs to use means, as he made use of the snake in the garden. And in our world today, if this grand conspiracy is true, I really don’t see any other way for all of this to work but upon the supposition of a secret society, which involves all the mighty men in the world, and then probably also itself under the head and leadership of Satan himself, or any of his angels, since all of that is so incredible. No human could come up with that kind of thing, in my opinion.

Yes they all know it. Two things that comes to mind that "proof it". The Antarctica treaty. All the countries cant come to the same agreements in many things, except Antarctica. There, the whole world is in agreement. And then look at the UN map, it shows how the earth really looks like, because THEY know. God bless

 

[Psalm-147:3]

I don’t say it’s impossible. But when I think about the connectedness of our modern world, I have a really hard time imagining that all the cornerstones of today’s world are into it, in some way. It would mean Trump, Putin and Jinping, or at least the “government” they represent, all know about it, working together to bring about this great scheme. Do you know what that would mean, what that would imply?

Also, when you think about how this all started. It was soon after World War II. From then, no, it probably had to be before that time, they were already united in such a way as to get through with it, not fearing opposition from anyone, no one dared to prove them wrong or anything. They all went along with it, producing the necessary media and education to deceive the whole world, successfully.

Frankly, that doesn’t make any sense. If this really is the case, that would have to mean that all the higher officials, statesmen, scientists, all the people who had any sort of power or influence, would have to be united in some form of secret society, from where they could, together, plan this whole thing in such a way as to get through with it, without any disturbance from the outsiders, without any suspicion or whatever.

So, is all of this possible? Sure it is, but what is the evidence? I don’t mean the evidence of the flat earth right now, but evidence for the conspiracy itself. And that’s what I don’t see. I don’t see any evidence for that, although I admit I haven’t looked into that stuff, considerably. And I mean, that’s understandable. Because, upon the supposition that there is such a conspiracy, surely they would make sure, as I have written above, logically, to hide themselves as good as they can, with the result that it is hard to get any concrete evidence. I understand that, too. But I don’t think it’s possible to hide such a conspiracy a hundred percent.

Since my mind likes to connect dots, I automatically see what it would mean if there really is this grand conspiracy. I basically couldn’t trust anything from any state of any significance. That’s a really hard sell.



I believe all that. But Satan also needs to use means, as he made use of the snake in the garden. And in our world today, if this grand conspiracy is true, I really don’t see any other way for all of this to work but upon the supposition of a secret society, which involves all the mighty men in the world, and then probably also itself under the head and leadership of Satan himself, or any of his angels, since all of that is so incredible. No human could come up with that kind of thing, in my opinion.

I think you are the only one here in this thread who is really interested in the truth, rather then just mocking the other party. Praise God!

 

[Psalm-147:3]

They know

 

[Shalomhalom]

They know

I don’t see the significance of that. This map, as I understand, is simply a way to lay out the world in a circle form, with the result that you have all the countries of the world in view at once. And so, when it comes to the organisations that make use of this map, they obviously want to represent the whole world in one logo. How else can this be done but by a form of the world as that one in the circle? A globe would hide half the world.

 

[David in NJ]

I don’t see the significance of that. This map, as I understand, is simply a way to lay out the world in a circle form,

Notice the two specifics Spoken by God about the earth = Isaiah 40:21-22

Have you not known?
Have you not heard?
Has it not been told you from the beginning?
Have you not understood from the foundations of the earth?

It is He who sits above the circle of the earth, and its inhabitants are like grasshoppers; who stretches out the heavens like a curtain, and spreads them like a tent to dwell in;

 

[Shalomhalom]

Notice the two specifics Spoken by God about the earth = Isaiah 40:21-22

Have you not known?
Have you not heard?
Has it not been told you from the beginning?
Have you not understood from the foundations of the earth?

It is He who sits above the circle of the earth, and its inhabitants are like grasshoppers; who stretches out the heavens like a curtain, and spreads them like a tent to dwell in;

To be fair, I don’t think the Bible describes the earth or our world in such a way as we are being taught. And it’s perfectly fine to prove from the Bible that the earth is flat, even though I would not go to the prophets for that, since they use imagery a lot. Genesis 1 should do.

But, right now, acknowledging the fact that the Bible gives no credence to our “modern”, heliocentric world system, I nevertheless am more interested if there is real evidence for a conspiracy of that kind, for the very reasons I have given in my previous posts. You know, there were strong words put in here, like NASA being satanic, and after I required some proof for such assertions, nothing came back. Here’s what I am referring to:

Flat Earth Theory

Thats not good if someone makes strong claims without backing it up. So even tho I am open for the possibility of such a conspiracy to take place & be real, because I believe to deny anything a priori is a sin, I nevertheless want to have some proof presented before I give further credence to that mere possibility.

 

[Psalm-147:3]

To be fair, I don’t think the Bible describes the earth or our world in such a way as we are being taught. And it’s perfectly fine to prove from the Bible that the earth is flat, even though I would not go to the prophets for that, since they use imagery a lot. Genesis 1 should do.

But, right now, acknowledging the fact that the Bible gives no credence to our “modern”, heliocentric world system, I nevertheless am more interested if there is real evidence for a conspiracy of that kind, for the very reasons I have given in my previous posts. You know, there were strong words put in here, like NASA being satanic, and after I required some proof for such assertions, nothing came back. Here’s what I am referring to:

Flat Earth Theory

Thats not good if someone makes strong claims without backing it up. So even tho I am open for the possibility of such a conspiracy to take place & be real, because I believe to deny anything a priori is a sin, I nevertheless want to have some proof presented before I give further credence to that mere possibility.

What proof would you need? Maybe personal witnesses? Because they might be here. Do you believe that politicians and agencies are genuine and serve God? Maybe we would need to ask the reason, why they or satan would go to such lengths as to deceive the whole world? And what does that mean to the world, unbelievers and believers alike? Why would someone chose satan over God? And why would they do what the enemy wants? And what are satans plans? How does he work and deceive? What are the lies in the world that we were told and why? What relevance does that have to our faith and especially for the future and endtimes?