Well i appreciate that answer. Only a particular denomination that worships on a Saturday refuses to accept it. So in your view, no one can be in a saved state unless they observe a set Saturday sabbath, or are conscious of sin by not doing so. Might be better for you not to chat to me, you must believe I am outside of the christian faith
Do the Ten Commandments still apply under the new covenant today?
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Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law. 15 They show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts sometimes accusing them and at other times even defending them.) Rom2:14&15
Don't you dare put a label of any kind from the world's religions and denominations on me, I belong to none. if you must insist, the only label I accept is "Disciple of Christ". and what you just wrote is NOT what I said.
Best not to distort peoples posts, it doesnt reflect well on the person doing it:
And yet you say we MUST obey the TC/Christ's teaching, we MUST. So, for you, that is what obedience entails, youve made that quite clear to me. And sin and disobedience is not accepted.
You see, applicable law is written in the mind and placed on the heart of every believer, meaning in their mind they know what that law is. You cannot hide from law in your most inward parts.
So, you cannot respond to that list I put up, because if you were prepared to be honest, you dont even try and obey many of those commands do you! So the truth is, according to what you have been writing, you com mit sin and disobedience yourself concerning commands you say MUST be obeyed. Now Im sure you believe you are still in a saved state. How come you have one rule for everyone else and another rule for yourself? Sin and disobedience will not be acceptable unless it is by you?
I think you should reflect on the following. Jesus reserved his harshest words for the religious who did not practice what they preached/insisted of others. Have a read of Matt23
Also, Paul tells us if gentiles had never known of biblical law they can show the requirements(not some of the requirements) of the law are written on their hearts, obviously by the way they act. Do you agree with him?
Rom 2:12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;
Rom 2:13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
Rom 2:14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
Rom 2:15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;)
Gentiles who never heard about the Ten Commandments cannot know all the requirements, or example Do not to make idols, and remember the sabbath, how could someone who never heard about these keep these 2 commandments, people are very different from one another but God do see their hearts and he Knows everything. Do you think God would judge someone for not keeping the sabbath if this person never ever heard of it?
Obviously you have to accept that not everyone have the commandments of God written in thir hearts, many still refuse them, God will not force anyone to do His will if they do not want to. we have free will and God gives a choice, jesus spoke of he wide easy path and the narrow difficult path. jesus explained all this see below
The Parable of the Sower – Matthew 13:3–9,18–23
Jesus said:
3 “Behold, a sower went forth to sow;
4 And when he sowed, some seeds fell by the way side, and the fowls came and devoured them up:
5 Some fell upon stony places, where they had not much earth: and forthwith they sprung up, because they had no deepness of earth:
6 And when the sun was up, they were scorched; and because they had no root, they withered away.
7 And some fell among thorns; and the thorns sprung up, and choked them:
8 But other fell into good ground, and brought forth fruit, some an hundredfold, some sixtyfold, some thirtyfold.
9 Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.”
Jesus explained:
18 “Hear ye therefore the parable of the sower.
19 When any one heareth the word of the kingdom, and understandeth it not, then cometh the wicked one, and catcheth away that which was sown in his heart. This is he which received seed by the way side.
20 But he that received the seed into stony places, the same is he that heareth the word, and anon with joy receiveth it;
21 Yet hath he not root in himself, but dureth for a while: for when tribulation or persecution ariseth because of the word, by and by he is offended.
22 He also that received seed among the thorns is he that heareth the word; and the care of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, choke the word, and he becometh unfruitful.
23 But he that received seed into the good ground is he that heareth the word, and understandeth it; which also beareth fruit, and bringeth forth, some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.”
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Mat 7:12 Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.
Mat 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
Mat 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
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There is a heretical teaching out there that a few on this forum have enlisted as their own.
Its this...."God saved you so that you can go back to the law and commandments and do them".
The fact is, the New Covenant abolishes the Law and Commandments with respect to how God accepts us..
You can read Hebrews 10 and learn about that reality....
See, all the Law and Commandments can do is define you as breaking them.....and that is their main purpose.
They are desinged as a mirror to reflect God's Holiness against our unholiness so that we see what we are, and we understand by this knowledge our LOST Condition before God. And this then leads us to find Christ for eternal redemption.
And now the born again are "NOT UNDER THE LAW........but under GRACE"..so when you run into some heretic on this forum or in a pulpit who is trying to put you back under the law, then just realize that they are ither not truly saved, or they are truly deceived.
So, we can define God's "GRACE" as our spiritual and literal law, if we are born again, and we can define the Law and Commandments as what defines a Lost SINNER.
Reader, if you are truly born again, and not just water baptized and religious, then God defines you as a SAINT and never again as a sinner, , and you are "made righteous",...... and the Law and Commandments have nothing to do with it.
You accuse me falsely again of distorting your post, untrue and not nice. that list is between you and someone else. I did not initiate this discussion and since you are not being honest why should I answer.
Except that contradicts what Paul wrote.
Indeed ,many today who do have the written law do not understand what obedience to the TC entails
You must not dwell on any impure thought
You must not put anything before God in your life
You must not erect any graven image in your mind
You must not tell any even little fibs about another
You must not desire anything of your neighbours, whether material goods or a member of their household
I am speaking only of the commandments, not the whole Law of Moses. Yes, the commandments show when we sin, but they also show when we obey, for this is what God asks of us. Grace doesn’t erase the need to follow His teaching; it changes our heart so we want to obey Him, not to earn salvation, but because we love Him and His words are written in us (John 14:15).
is it so hard to follow the ten Commandments that are all based on loving GOD above all else and to love one another?, I am not speaking here of the myriad of additions by the pharisees that Jesus comdemned them for doing so, if you look at them all, everyone can see can see it is very simple to keep.
does GOD expect you to be perfect overnight? what did Jesus say about this?
Paul obviously thought so. He referred to them as the letter that kills, the ministry of death and condemnation. But he was not in ignorance as to what that letter demanded
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