Moses Law : is NOT made for Christians #3

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Yes, I agree Scripture teaches that believers are sealed with the Holy Spirit (Eph. 1:13) and that this sealing is “unto the day of redemption” (Eph. 4:30). That speaks to God’s preserving work in salvation.

But sealing does not cancel the New Testament’s repeated warnings and calls to continue in faith, abide in Christ, and not fall away (Col. 1:23; Heb. 3:14; John 15:6). Those are addressed to real believers, not hypothetical ones.

And bringing it back to the point we were actually discussing: this still doesn’t support the idea of isolating Paul into a separate “Paul-only” doctrinal system. The same Paul who speaks of sealing also insists on one gospel, one foundation, and one faith shared by all the apostles (Eph. 4:4–5; 1 Cor. 3:11; Gal. 1:8–9).

So the question remains the same: are we reading Paul in harmony with the rest of Scripture or using selective texts to override it? :clmSmlx
""""That speaks to God’s preserving work in salvation.""" < Eph 4:30
Please state the verses >>>from Paul<<<< that you believe confirms your above claim.
 
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The Bible does not teach Paul wrote Hebrews.
Rom to Philemon = Paul
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Gal 1:11-12, 1 Cor 15:1-4, Eph 1:13, Eph 4:30
To be saved & sealed requires ONLY faith/belief/trust in the death/burial/resurrection of Christ
....
What are the 'performance' conditions for the above ?
Titus 3:
5Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
Gal 2:
16Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
Rom 3:
28Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
Eph 2:

8For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Rom 4:
5But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
Rom 5:
1Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
saved does not imply full eternal salvation in glory but a part of the process of salvation

we have no participation in some parts "not only of works" other parts we are required to participate and practice good works

and there are many kinds of works
some fruitful some unfruitful

((unfruitful works))

(works of the law)

Refer to the works of the mosaic covenant

(works of the flesh)

Listed in Gal 5:19-21 & Eph 5:3-5
these cause the loss of grace and the bar us from salvation in the kingdom of God. the unfruitful works of darkness

Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience. eph 5:6

(dead works) or (works alone) or (natural works)

Works that are good in and of themselves but are not in union with Christ and grace and have power to accomplish perseverance unto eternal salvation! unfruitful works

Apart from Christ: NOTHING! Jn 15:5

((fruitful works))

Living works or deeds of rightousness!

(living works) (faith & works)

Supernatural good works (gifts of God) accomplished in union with Christ and empowered by His grace with perseverance to the end of our life unto eternal salvation!

fruitful works! Lk 3:9 Jn 15:5 bear fruit

2 cor 9: And God is able to make all grace abound toward you; that ye, always having all sufficiency in all things, may abound to every good work:

With Christ & empowered by grace:
I CAN DO ALL THINGS! Phil 4:13

1 John 3:10
In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

Living works:
1 pet 2:15-16 good works
1 pet 2:20 acceptable to God
1 pet 2:21-22 suffer as Christ suffered

righteousness implies & requires acts (volition) of righteousness
just deeds unto faithfulness in the new covenant!
mt 3:15
mt 10:22
mt 25
mt 6:33
mt 7:7
mt 26:41
mt 7:14
Lk 1:75
acts 10:35
rom 3:21
rom 5:21
rom 6:18
1 tim 6:11
1 tim 2:22
2 tim 3:16
heb 11:33
2 pet 2:21
1 Jn 2:29
1 Jn 3:7
1 pet 2:24



mt 6:33
But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you. (Practices)

Luke 1:75
In holiness and righteousness before him, all the days of our life.
(acts / deeds)

Romans 6:13
Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: (works of the flesh) but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God. (living works of righteousness)

Romans 6:16
Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, (works of the flesh) or of obedience unto righteousness? (living works of righteousness)

Romans 6:19
I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; (works of the flesh) even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness. (living works of righteousness)

1 Peter 2:24
Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed. (living works of righteousness)

1 tim 6: 11-14

11 But thou, O man of God, flee these things; and follow after righteousness, godliness, faith, love, patience, meekness.

12 Fight the good fight of faith, lay hold on eternal life, whereunto thou art also called, and hast professed a good profession before many witnesses.

13 I give thee charge in the sight of God, who quickeneth all things, and before Christ Jesus, who before Pontius Pilate witnessed a good confession;

14 That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ:
(Living works of righteousness)

deeds rewarded with eternal salvation! Heb 11:6 God is a rewarder of those who seek Him!

mt 5:7 blessed are the merciful they shall receive mercy

mt 6:15 But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

mt 5:8 Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.

(see God =eternal salvation)

mt 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life...

(life = eternal salvation)

mt 11:28-29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.

(rest for our souls = eternal salvation)

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Yes, I agree Scripture teaches that believers are sealed with the Holy Spirit (Eph. 1:13) and that this sealing is “unto the day of redemption” (Eph. 4:30). That speaks to God’s preserving work in salvation.

But sealing does not cancel the New Testament’s repeated warnings and calls to continue in faith, abide in Christ, and not fall away (Col. 1:23; Heb. 3:14; John 15:6). Those are addressed to real believers, not hypothetical ones.

And bringing it back to the point we were actually discussing: this still doesn’t support the idea of isolating Paul into a separate “Paul-only” doctrinal system. The same Paul who speaks of sealing also insists on one gospel, one foundation, and one faith shared by all the apostles (Eph. 4:4–5; 1 Cor. 3:11; Gal. 1:8–9).

So the question remains the same: are we reading Paul in harmony with the rest of Scripture or using selective texts to override it? :clmSmlx
the seal is baptism!

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The Bible does not teach Paul wrote Hebrews.
Rom to Philemon = Paul
...
Gal 1:11-12, 1 Cor 15:1-4, Eph 1:13, Eph 4:30
To be saved & sealed requires ONLY faith/belief/trust in the death/burial/resurrection of Christ
....
What are the 'performance' conditions for the above ?
Titus 3:
5Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
Gal 2:
16Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
Rom 3:
28Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
Eph 2:

8For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Rom 4:
5But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
Rom 5:
1Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
more

Faith Alone? & Christ did it all, nothing for us to do?

Perpetual faith Jn 3:16 1 Jn 5:13
faith, hope, charity 1 cor 13:13
fruits of repentance mt 3:8
2 cor 7:10
fruits of righteousness phil 1:11
deeds of righteousness Lk 1:75
acts 10:35
merciful receive mercy mt 5:7
pure of heart mt 5:8
ask seek knock mt 7:7
watch and pray mt 26:41 Lk 21:36
narrow road to life mt 7:14 Ps 23:3
bear fruit Lk 3:9 Jn 15:1-6
grow in grace 2 pet 3:18
keep commands rev 14:12 mt 19:17 Jn 14:21 1 cor 7:19 1Jn 3:24 1 Jn 5:2-3 rev 12:17
suffer with Christ and for His sake
phil 1:29 Lk 9:23
walk, sow, live by the Spirit
rom 8:1 rom 8:13
gal 6:7-8 1 pet 2:24
repentance conversion surrender
acts 3:19 1 pet 3:12
faith & patience heb 6:12
faith, patience, good works rev 2:19
endure to the end mt 10:22
overcome rev 2:10


Created to Know, Love, & Serve God

not faith alone!

thks
 
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Simple. The thief on the cross believed and confessed. He was saved.
and humbled himself Lk 18:13-14
and he prayed mt 7:7
and repentance conversion acts 3:19
and accepted his suffering phil 1:29
died a martyr Mt 16:25 (baptism of blood)

if you want to make a standard of it make the whole standard

thks