Do the Ten Commandments still apply under the new covenant today?

[LoveYeshua]

Same question, how are you getting along obeying the law relating to the inner man, the law no one but you and God need know you break?

Read the words of Jesus that you blatantly ignore and find out, he speaks of it and much much more.

 

[saved by grace 101]

When will you people stop being blind, the example Paul gave as to why he had to die to the law/die to righteousness of obeying it was, because he could not obey the law relating to the inner man, the law no one but he and God need know he broke. Covered by the tenth commandment. Everyone on this earth is guilty where that law is concerned
But you people carry blindly on, continually repeating: We must obey the TC
There is no watered down version of the TC in the bible, only the true version, the letter of which kills, and anyone with the law in their heart and mind SHOULD know that

 

[saved by grace 101]

Read the words of Jesus that you blatantly ignore and find out, he speaks of it and much much more.

See, you cannot answer the question can you! You people continually state you must obey the TC, and some, like you claim they can fully be obeyed, but why do you not know you cannot fully obey them? Your refusal to answer my question shows you are not prepared to face reality

 

[GodsGrace]

Can i explain the context as to why I chose the name Brakelite? Short version, when you see a brake-light light up in front of you on the highway, it isn't telling you what to do. It's merely waking you up to make a choice. You have options. Stop. Advance cautiously. Overtake and take your chances. Detour, or Uturn.

You chose a good name.
It's exactly as you say when God presents Himself to us and some reply must be given.

So I cannot and will not tell anyone what to do. I merely offer biblical reasons why I do what I do, and share them as options. There are actually very few people who are not adventist, care at all about what we believe, let alone actually study our beliefs for themselves. Most in fact get their understanding of adventist doctrine from Utube videos made by those who have made it their business to attack us. So I appreciate your inquiry, and will respond as fairly and honestly as I can.

Just like everything else...YouTube can be good or it can be bad.
It does seem to me that this is an important topic,
but I also believe God is merciful and if we have a teaching of His wrong,
He will take other matters into consideration or else we're all headed to that other place.

The way I see things is that the ceremonial sabbaths all had a few things in common. They all formed a part of the annual Jewish religious calender, and along with non Sabbath feast days, were integral parts of the gospel for OT Israel. The laws associated with the priesthood and the sanctuary and all the animal sacrifices including the sabbaths, were given to Moses separately from the Ten Commandments. Why?
“Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator. ”

Here's why I believe the Law was given.
Israel had been in slavery for hundreds of years.
Some semblance of order had to be created since they had no civil rules while in captivity.

So it was created...but it had no power until the Promise: Jesus.

Galatians 3:19 KJV

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Wherefore serveth what law? The sacrificial system. It was designed as an antidote to the sin problem. Until the Messiah comes. It provided a mediator... the high priest... who stood in the sanctuary on behalf of Israel, and for Israel... because of sin. He interceded for sinners before a holy God. He offered sacrifices under a specific timetable that mirrored prophetically the later ministry of Christ. All designed to deal with the sin problem.

Of course...and Jesus is now our High Priest.
No more need for the sacrificial system.

Did God give the Ten Commandments knowing man was incapable of obeying them?

God have the 10 Commandments to create order where there was none.
Man had the responsibility of doing his best to keep them.

Yes He did. Which is precisely why the prophets currently reminded Israel of what is often purportedly to be a uniquely NT concept, that the just were to live by faith.

Yes sir.
It has always been faith that saved...even in OT times.
The Law saved no one.
Works save no one.
(for salvation).

Israel were called to obedience, but God never expected them to do it alone. That's where relationship comes in. Christians today abuse that relationship. They think it's all about them. How God removes His law, no longer expects obedience or faithfulness or duty or obligation; they think God has lowered the standard so they can get away with their addictions and their compromising and their worldliness and their unfaithfulness and treat Jesus like a get out of jail free card grazing in the back paddock like Israel did.

Amen to that.

What do you think grace is? What do you believe grace was intended to accomplish? Do you think grace is merely a new testament concept? From the very beginning in Eden God was searching and longing and working towards establishing a relationship with mankind. Why? So that He could offer us His strength, His Spirit, His power, His righteousness, to all those who sought Him and submitted to the conditions. And there really was only two conditions. Believe, and be willing to obey.

Oh my.
I post this all the time in conversation.
What is needed to be saved?
1. Belief in God.
2. Obedience.

And yet I get push-back....
maybe for the reason you've stated (who can know?)

If we are willing, God will accomplish the impossible. His law will be written on our hearts. Like it was with Abraham. Enoch. David. Jeremiah. Elijah. Elisha. John the Baptist. Anna. Simeon. And Jesus.
Sadly, Christians today don't want to obey. They fight tooth and nail to find excuses and reasons to avoid it. And God gives them the desires of their hearts.
They demand a specific NT command to observe the Sabbath. When Jesus, "if ye love Me, keep My commandments", they reason He was talking only about NT commandments. They forget that He also said, that the two great commandments of love for God and neighbour, hang on all the law and the prophets. He also said not one iota of the law will be taken away or changed. Christians conveniently ignore that to. And while they challenge our obedience for all manner of presumptuous reasons, they don't have the boldness to explain how disobedience is justified.

Disobedience is not justified - ever.

However, I'm thinking that I'm in the mix to which you're referring.
Are you Christian??
Do you follow the OT rules?
It seems to me that it would be impossible to do.
The Civil Law certainly cannot be accepted in our society.
The Ceremonial Law cannot be accomplished because there is no longer any Temple.

I checked: Christian

Yes. The 4th commandment is a commandment, and was never a part of the annual Sabbath calendar which pointed to Christ and His ministry. It existed before sin entered the world, and therefore could not have been designed as a cure for sin.

I don't understand this statement:

It existed before sin entered the world, and therefore could not have been designed as a cure for sin.

You're saying that the Sabbath was NOT intended as a cure for sin...correct?
I don't believe it was either. It was intended to have a day of rest...
a day of worship,
a day devoted to God.

That's my view. I could add a lot more of course. I've written countless posts defending the Sabbath. But honouring the Sabbath to keep it holy as the commandment requires will status be a choice. Just as with all the other commandments.

The problem is that Jesus kept the Sabbath by attending Synagogue...
but He also broke it at times and stated that the Sabbath was made for man...not man for the Sabbath.
The Sabbath is for OUR benefit....not V V.

Do you believe the early church worshipped on Sunday at some point in its early history?

 

[GodsGrace]

Concupiscence means strong sexual desaire. As you didn't address what was written
How are you getting along obeying the law relating to the inner person, the law no one but you and God need know you break? The tenth commandmednt covers it!!

Remember your words
''Yes sir, we do not water the 10 commandments down:
And
We MUST obey the TC
And
Sin and disobedience is not acceptable
So, do you obey the law relating to the inner person, the law only you and God need know you break? Or, do you commit sin and disobedience concerning it?

Here is the meaning of

CONCUPISCENSE


In its widest acceptation, concupiscence is any yearning of the soul for good; in its strict and specific acceptation, a desire of the lower appetite contrary to reason. To understand how the sensuous and the rational appetite can be opposed, it should be borne in mind that their natural objects are altogether different. The object of the former is the gratification of the senses; the object of the latter is the good of the entire human nature and consists in the subordination of reason to God, its supreme good and ultimate end. But the lower appetite is of itself unrestrained, so as to pursue sensuous gratifications independently of the understanding and without regard to the good of the higher faculties. Hence desires contrary to the real good and order of reason may, and often do, rise in it, previous to the attention of the mind, and once risen, dispose the bodily organs to the pursuit and solicit the will to consent, while they more or less hinder reason from considering their lawfulness or unlawfulness. This is concupiscence in its strict and specific sense. As long, however, as deliberation is not completely impeded, the rational will is able to resist such desires and withhold consent, though it be not capable of crushing the effects they produce in the body, and though its freedom and dominion be to some extent diminished. If, in fact, the will resists, a struggle ensues, the sensuous appetite rebelliously demanding its gratification, reason, on the contrary, clinging to its own spiritual interests and asserting it control. "The flesh lusteth against the spirit, and the spirit against the flesh."

source: CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: Concupiscence

 

[GodsGrace]

Another post that shows lack of understanding

OK saved.
Looks like this conversation is over due to you inability to respond.
If these last 4 posts is all you have to offer after reading mine...
then it seems you have nothing further to say.

Try to remember that when you were baptized you went into the water and DIED and was reborn IN CHRIST.

THIS does NOT mean you can refuse obedience to God.

 

[saved by grace 101]

Here is the meaning of

CONCUPISCENSE


In its widest acceptation, concupiscence is any yearning of the soul for good; in its strict and specific acceptation, a desire of the lower appetite contrary to reason. To understand how the sensuous and the rational appetite can be opposed, it should be borne in mind that their natural objects are altogether different. The object of the former is the gratification of the senses; the object of the latter is the good of the entire human nature and consists in the subordination of reason to God, its supreme good and ultimate end. But the lower appetite is of itself unrestrained, so as to pursue sensuous gratifications independently of the understanding and without regard to the good of the higher faculties. Hence desires contrary to the real good and order of reason may, and often do, rise in it, previous to the attention of the mind, and once risen, dispose the bodily organs to the pursuit and solicit the will to consent, while they more or less hinder reason from considering their lawfulness or unlawfulness. This is concupiscence in its strict and specific sense. As long, however, as deliberation is not completely impeded, the rational will is able to resist such desires and withhold consent, though it be not capable of crushing the effects they produce in the body, and though its freedom and dominion be to some extent diminished. If, in fact, the will resists, a struggle ensues, the sensuous appetite rebelliously demanding its gratification, reason, on the contrary, clinging to its own spiritual interests and asserting it control. "The flesh lusteth against the spirit, and the spirit against the flesh."

source: CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: Concupiscence

Well that maybe the catholic encyclopedia, however, everyone I know who has looked the word up in the dictionary, including myself say the same thing, strong sexual desire. Paul is using the word in relation to lust remember, so it is obvious how he is meaning the word, in line with dictionaries, lust brings sexual desire

 

[GodsGrace]

Well that maybe the catholic encyclopedia, however, everyone I know who has looked the word up in the dictionary, including myself say the same thing, strong sexual desire. Paul is using the word in relation to lust remember, so it is obvious how he is meaning the word, in line with dictionaries, lust brings sexual desire

A person can LUST for anything.

If CATHOLICS use the word...
then we must allow CATHOLICS to define it.

We Protestans use the expression:
SIN NATURE.

 

[saved by grace 101]

OK saved.
Looks like this conversation is over due to you inability to respond.
If these last 4 posts is all you have to offer after reading mine...
then it seems you have nothing further to say.

Try to remember that when you were baptized you went into the water and DIED and was reborn IN CHRIST.

THIS does NOT mean you can refuse obedience to God.

I expected the same deflections as you made when you were previously asked a question you did not want to answer. You are boxed in, with nowhere to go aren't you. Im sure people would like to know if you commit sin and disobedience concerning the commands you insist MUST be obeyed. Let's try again:

You have said:



‘’No sir, we do not water down the TC

You also say:

The TC MUST be obeyed

You also say, in relation to this

Sin and disobedience is not acceptable

So, do you obey the law relating to the inner person, the law only you and God need know you break(covered by the tenth commandment)

Or, do you commit sin and disobedience concerning the TC?

If you refuse to answer, people I’m sure will draw the correct conclusion!

 

[GodsGrace]

I expected the same deflections as you made when you were previously asked a question you did not want to answer. You are boxed in, with nowhere to go aren't you. Im sure people would like to know if you commit sin and disobedience concerning the commands you insist MUST be obeyed. Let's try again:

You have said:



‘’No sir, we do not water down the TC

You also say:

The TC MUST be obeyed

You also say, in relation to this

Sin and disobedience is not acceptable

So, do you obey the law relating to the inner person, the law only you and God need know you break(covered by the tenth commandment)

Or, do you commit sin and disobedience concerning the TC?

If you refuse to answer, people I’m sure will draw the correct conclusion!

I send you a REAL post with scripture and explanation.

YOU reply asking if I keep up with the 10 Commandments.

Obey God.
And stop sounding like we don't have to.

If we do not obey God,,,His wrath remains upon us.
John 3:36

 

[saved by grace 101]

A person can LUST for anything.

If CATHOLICS use the word...
then we must allow CATHOLICS to define it.

We Protestans use the expression:
SIN NATURE.

What a surprise, the first dictionary I go to online and put the word concupiscence in comes up sexual desire

 

[saved by grace 101]

I send you a REAL post with scripture and explanation.

YOU reply asking if I keep up with the 10 Commandments.

Obey God.
And stop sounding like we don't have to.

If we do not obey God,,,His wrath remains upon us.
John 3:36

You have said:



‘’No sir, we do not water down the TC

You also say:

The TC MUST be obeyed

You also say, in relation to this

Sin and disobedience is not acceptable

So, do you obey the law relating to the inner person, the law only you and God need know you break(covered by the tenth commandment)

Or, do you commit sin and disobedience concerning the TC?

If you refuse to answer, people I’m sure will draw the correct conclusion!

 

[GodsGrace]

I expected the same deflections as you made when you were previously asked a question you did not want to answer. You are boxed in, with nowhere to go aren't you. Im sure people would like to know if you commit sin and disobedience concerning the commands you insist MUST be obeyed. Let's try again:

You have said:



‘’No sir, we do not water down the TC

You also say:

The TC MUST be obeyed

You also say, in relation to this

Sin and disobedience is not acceptable

So, do you obey the law relating to the inner person, the law only you and God need know you break(covered by the tenth commandment)

Or, do you commit sin and disobedience concerning the TC?

If you refuse to answer, people I’m sure will draw the correct conclusion!

No problem.

People reading along could see for themselves how you are unable to reply...
and how all you do is use personal questions that require NO reply,,,
and deflection to your own OPINION.

 

[saved by grace 101]

I send you a REAL post with scripture and explanation.

YOU reply asking if I keep up with the 10 Commandments.

Obey God.
And stop sounding like we don't have to.

If we do not obey God,,,His wrath remains upon us.
John 3:36

Incredible, the second dictionary I go to online, concerning concupiscence states: strong desire, esp sexual desire

 

[saved by grace 101]

No problem.

People reading along could see for themselves how you are unable to reply...
and how all you do is use personal questions that require NO reply,,,
and deflection to your own OPINION.

Wow, the third dictionary I go to states: A strong desire, especially sexual desire; lust.'' And of course, lust is mentioned in the verse. Should I go to a fourth dictionary?

 

[saved by grace 101]

No problem.

People reading along could see for themselves how you are unable to reply...
and how all you do is use personal questions that require NO reply,,,
and deflection to your own OPINION.

Try to learn, everyone stands guilty before the TC, if you actually understood Paul's message you would know that! So, to say sin and disobedience is not acceptable concerning the TC, makes it not acceptable for you alongside everyone else. You MUST obey the TC is old covenant anyway. Hope you see now you transgress those commands, your refusal to answer my question proves it!

 

[GodsGrace]

Incredible, the second dictionary I go to online, concerning concupiscence states: strong desire, esp sexual desire

This is for those reading along that wish to be properly informed:
You have a lot to learn.

CONCUPISCENSE


Paragraph: 2514 St. John distinguishes three kinds of covetousness or concupiscence: lust of the flesh, lust of the eyes, and pride of life.


What is an example of concupiscence?
After a delicious and hearty meal, your body is sufficiently nourished and satisfied. However, you still have a strong desire to eat more – just one more bite of dessert, or one last drink. I'm sure we have all experienced this desire to eat more than is good for us, and this is an example of concupiscence.


In Christianity, particularly in Catholic and Lutheran theology, concupiscence is the tendency of humans to sin.



What is the root cause of concupiscence?
Concupiscence is understood as an effect of original sin that remains after baptism. The waters of baptism cleanse us of original sin itself, but concupiscence remains as a lingering effect.



What are the signs of concupiscence?
In theological ethics, concupiscence comes in three grades: it may cover first, the whole range of appetite and desire; secondly, that desire which is not deliberate, but a spontaneous reaction of the appetitive part of a person, and thirdly, that which actively opposes free and rational decision.



What are the two types of concupiscence?
These tendencies can be referred to the threefold concupiscence in this way: from pride are born vain-glory, envy, and anger, from the concupiscence of the flesh issue gluttony, lust, and sloth, lastly, the concupiscence of the eyes is one with avarice or the inordinate love of riches.

 

[saved by grace 101]

No problem.

People reading along could see for themselves how you are unable to reply...
and how all you do is use personal questions that require NO reply,,,
and deflection to your own OPINION.

People are not fools. They know you constantly say we MUST obey the TC, sin and disobedience is not acceptable concerning them, and they can also see you refuse to state whether you obey the law relating to the inner man, the law no one but you and God need know you break(tenth commandment)
Im afraid you are making empty statements without understanding of the subject matter you have constantly wanted to discuss

 

[saved by grace 101]

This is for those reading along that wish to be properly informed:
You have a lot to learn.

CONCUPISCENSE


Paragraph: 2514 St. John distinguishes three kinds of covetousness or concupiscence: lust of the flesh, lust of the eyes, and pride of life.


What is an example of concupiscence?
After a delicious and hearty meal, your body is sufficiently nourished and satisfied. However, you still have a strong desire to eat more – just one more bite of dessert, or one last drink. I'm sure we have all experienced this desire to eat more than is good for us, and this is an example of concupiscence.


In Christianity, particularly in Catholic and Lutheran theology, concupiscence is the tendency of humans to sin.



What is the root cause of concupiscence?
Concupiscence is understood as an effect of original sin that remains after baptism. The waters of baptism cleanse us of original sin itself, but concupiscence remains as a lingering effect.



What are the signs of concupiscence?
In theological ethics, concupiscence comes in three grades: it may cover first, the whole range of appetite and desire; secondly, that desire which is not deliberate, but a spontaneous reaction of the appetitive part of a person, and thirdly, that which actively opposes free and rational decision.



What are the two types of concupiscence?
These tendencies can be referred to the threefold concupiscence in this way: from pride are born vain-glory, envy, and anger, from the concupiscence of the flesh issue gluttony, lust, and sloth, lastly, the concupiscence of the eyes is one with avarice or the inordinate love of riches.

Yet all the dictionaries I go to say concupiscence means sexual desire/lust:
For I would not have know lust unless the law had said: Thou shalt not covet, but sin, taking occasion of the commandment aroused all manner of concupiscence in me. Its a slam dunk really, but you carry on

 

[saved by grace 101]

How many people understand, in order to obey the TC you have to obey the law relating to the inner man, the law no one but you and God need know you break. People say they have the law in their heart and mind, so why do they not understand the tenth commandment?