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Doug

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And the only church that will exist from Pentecost to the end of the millennial. The church is the body of Christ. We are also now the espoused to Jesus and in heaven before Jesus returns, we become His bride! In eternity, we have no clue what will take place. Teh bible is silent, so we should be!
The body of Christ is taken up to be with the Lord ("raptured") and will not be in either the tribulation or the millennial kingdom

The body of Christ isnt the bride. The bride is the holy city.........
[Revelation 21:9 KJV] "And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife."
[Revelation 21:10 KJV] "And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,"
 

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In the body of Christ Jew and Gentile are one, but the body of Christ wasnt formed until Paul was saved
You have no biblical proof of that. It began at Pentecost. Even Paul implied that in his teachings.
If the church was started by Christ on earth with Peter and the eleven then how could it be said it started at Pentecost? Wasn't it started before Pentecost by Christ? Didn't Paul just add to it?
Jesus did not begin the Church when He was on earth. It began at Pentecost.
We are joint heirs with Christ NOT Israel...........[Romans 8:17 KJV] "And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with [him], that we may be also glorified together."
Galatians 3:29
And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

We are heirs with Israel in christ.
Are you saying that the church formed by Jesus with Peter and the eleven as the apostles was added to at Pentecost? The body of Christ was formed at Pentecost by which Paul added Gentiles to the existing church and formed a completed body of Jew and Gentiles?
You are beginning to get it now! The church began at Pentecost which is the body of Christ. Peter opened the door to the Samaritans and also to the Gentioles. Paul merely was another apostle who added to tne church (body of Christ)
 

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I never said there wasnt a body of Christ in which Jew and Gentile are one
I am saying that this church the body of Christ wasnt formed until Paul was saved.
The church formed by Christ with the twelve was a different church that faded away after the formation of the body of Christ.
Today there is only the body of Christ.
And your biblical proof for this is? Jesus did not build a church. He trained the apostles who built the church.
 

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Jesus did not begin the Church when He was on earth. It began at Pentecost.
[Acts 2:16 KJV] "But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;"
[Acts 2:17 KJV] "And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:"
[Acts 2:19 KJV] "And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke:"
[Acts 2:20 KJV] "The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come:"

Pentecost wasnt the start of the church it was fulfillment of Joel the prophet for Israel leading up to the day of the Lord
 

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. Paul merely was another apostle who added to tne church (body of Christ)
Paul could not be an apostle along with the twelve, as I said he wasnt qualified because he didnt meet the requirement of being with Christ since John's baptism.
When they replaced Judas they only found two qualified to replace his apostleship
 

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[Acts 2:16 KJV] "But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;"
[Acts 2:17 KJV] "And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:"
[Acts 2:19 KJV] "And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke:"
[Acts 2:20 KJV] "The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come:"

Pentecost wasnt the start of the church it was fulfillment of Joel the prophet for Israel leading up to the day of the Lord
Sorry, but you do not understand how Israel viewed prophecy. Even Gentiles in the body of Christ prophesy, have dreams and visions.

18&19 are for the end of days. Just because they partially fulfilled prophesy does not mean they are not part of the church.

Paul made it clear the church(body of Christ) is composed of Jew and Gentile.

You are reinterpreting scripture to say not all Jews who believe Jesus died for their sins and received the Spirit are part of Jesus body. That is just error.

When do you theorize that Jews were granted admission into the church/, body of Christ/bride of Christ? You exclude the original apostles. How many other jews do you reject from the body that were born of the spirit?
 

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Paul could not be an apostle along with the twelve, as I said he wasnt qualified because he didnt meet the requirement of being with Christ since John's baptism.
When they replaced Judas they only found two qualified to replace his apostleship
He was another Apostle! He wasn't part of the original 12 but God made him an apostle. That is SCripture. If you do not agree, your problem is with god and not me.
 
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You are reinterpreting scripture to say not all Jews who believe Jesus died for their sins and received the Spirit are part of Jesus body. That is just error.
In this dispensation Jews who believe Jesus died for our sins and rose for our justification are saved and members in the body

During Jesus's earthly ministry and Acts Jews werent preached to believe that. They only had to believe in Jesus's name, that he was their Christ, the Son of God.................[John 3:18 KJV] "He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God."
[John 20:31 KJV] "But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name."
 

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He was another Apostle! He wasn't part of the original 12 but God made him an apostle. That is SCripture. If you do not agree, your problem is with god and not me.
No he wasnt part of the original twelve but if there is only one church in which he is an apostle he couldnt escape being an apostle along with them.
Yes God made him an apostle, an apostle in the body of Christ.
Where does scripture say Jesus reversed his requirement for an apostle to have been with Christ since John's baptism to be an apostle along with the twelve?
 

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He was another Apostle! He wasn't part of the original 12 but God made him an apostle. That is SCripture. If you do not agree, your problem is with god and not me.
Here is a question for you..............where does Peter say he was a member of Christ's body?
 

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In this dispensation Jews who believe Jesus died for our sins and rose for our justification are saved and members in the body

During Jesus's earthly ministry and Acts Jews werent preached to believe that. They only had to believe in Jesus's name, that he was their Christ, the Son of God.................[John 3:18 KJV] "He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God."
[John 20:31 KJV] "But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name."
You strain at gnats and swallow camels.
 
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No he wasnt part of the original twelve but if there is only one church in which he is an apostle he couldnt escape being an apostle along with them.
Yes God made him an apostle, an apostle in the body of Christ.
Where does scripture say Jesus reversed his requirement for an apostle to have been with Christ since John's baptism to be an apostle along with the twelve?
And when did Jesus make that requirement? I only see it coming from the eleven! And since when did 12 make the number deci8ded by jesus!
 

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Here is a question for you..............where does Peter say he was a member of Christ's body?
I will answer that if you answer this; where does it say He isn't?

Are you then saying that all of Peters converts are not part of the Body of christ or the church?

Peter calls Paul a brother! Hard to imagine apart for them being in the same church.

The Body of Christ is built upon teh teachings of the apostles (through Jesus) If the Apostles are not part of the body, then why do we adhere to their teachings?

11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;

12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:

13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.

14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;

15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;

16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:

17 And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.

18 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.

19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;

20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;

21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:

22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.

Paul said both Jew and Gentile are made one body. Now you must show that the Apostles belong to a different church and a different body.
 

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And when did Jesus make that requirement? I only see it coming from the eleven! And since when did 12 make the number deci8ded by jesus!
Very well Just dismiss the requirement to be numbered with these apostles when it says it specifically is applicable to chosen who could be an apostle along with them
 

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Are you then saying that all of Peters converts are not part of the Body of christ or the church?
They are part of the church which Paul persecuted before Jesus formed the body of Christ after his conversion
 

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Peter calls Paul a brother! Hard to imagine apart for them being in the same church.
Whether the believing little flock remnant or the body of Christ they were all in Christ and brethren/sisters
 

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The Body of Christ is built upon teh teachings of the apostles (through Jesus) If the Apostles are not part of the body, then why do we adhere to their teachings?
The body of Christ is based on the teachings Christ gave Paul not the twelve
 

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They are part of the church which Paul persecuted before Jesus formed the body of Christ after his conversion
So you are saying that the church before Paul is not part of the body of Christ then. biblical proof? So all Jews won by the apostles (excluding Paul) and the Samaritans and the Gentiles saved before Paul are not part of the body of Christ according to you.
 
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