"Before Abraham Was, I AM"

[Hiddenthings]

....Still required faith!

 

[Hiddenthings]

@saved by grace 101 its not just believing God exists but knowing Him...understanding Him and His Ways.

 

[saved by grace 101]

Abraham had many encounters with the angel up to that point and was repeatedly preserved and delivered despite his own failings.

As I said it's impossible for faith not to have evidence.

Was Isaac himself an answer to prayer?
Did logic suggest for the promises of God to eventuate Isaac must live!

Hebrews 11:17–19 (ESV): “By faith Abraham, when he was tested, offered up Isaac, and he who had received the promises was in the act of offering up his only son, of whom it was said, ‘Through Isaac shall your offspring be named.’ He considered that God was able even to raise him from the dead, from which, figuratively speaking, he did receive him back.”

Abraham believed in the resurrection from the dead (no such thing as an immortal soul!)

I think we'd better leave it there. I can only say, in my own life, when I have believed, having to put aside logic to do so, I have been blessed because of it.

 

[Marvelloustime]

the unity of ecumeincism is of anti christ . come not nigh its doors and heed not its love .
for its love is of a harlot . And it has infected most every single place now known to man .
And grows daily . So , YEAH THAT AINT THE UNITY WE SUPPOSED TO UNDER . NOT even close .

@amigo de christo

 

[Lizbeth]

An interesting statement. If it is applied to miracles, then perhaps it holds true; however, if the evidence of God is found in creation, then it does not. Blind faith is not the biblical model, as Scripture tells us that faith is the substance of things hoped for and the evidence of things not seen.

Faith is not blind.....it is spiritual sight. And it is not of our own, but of the Holy Spirit.

Seeing and appreciating what God has created/creates can cause the heart to open up and seek Him, but faith still must come from Him, true..?...not from what He has created.

 

[Lizbeth]

Correct however what makes up that faith?
Did you read the Bible?
Did you look upon Creation?
Did you like David behold the written book of Creation and learn? The heavens declare the glory of God, and the sky above proclaims his handiwork?
Did that work create in you a Spiritual Person who holds to Spiritual visions of the future.
All of this provides evidence that calls for faith in an unseen God, faith that itself could not exist apart from the evidence.

Faith IS the evidence of things NOT SEEN with the natural senses.

 

[Lizbeth]

@saved by grace 101

Faith is an act of honor toward God, and it requires time to exercise. God made “great and precious promises” to the fathers and tested them by withholding the timing, requiring them to wait patiently. As Scripture says, “And so, after he had patiently endured, he obtained the promise” (Hebrews 6:15). Likewise, let us not grow weary under a similar test: “a patient continuance in well doing” is the revealed principle of our acceptance (Romans 2:7). This involves enduring a long period with nothing to rely on but confidence in God’s pledged word, that is, faith “without which it is impossible to please Him” (Hebrews 11:6). Through this process, we are prepared to join the tried sons of God and, at last, rejoice together in the Lord: “Lo, this is our God; we have waited for Him; let us be glad and rejoice in His salvation” (Isaiah 25:9).

As the bible says, the saints of old all died in faith, not having received the promises. They did not "see" the promises fulfilled to the end of their natural lives, yet continued to believe. Their faith was the evidence and substance of what they did not yet see but hoped for.

 

[amigo de christo]

Amigo, what makes you think I am a supporter of ecumenism? Would I be a JW if I thought unity at all costs was how to be a Christian? If we don’t stand out as different to the world, and are no part of Christendom, then we may as well do what Judas did....reject Christ and die.

I was raised in Christendom and now I would not touch it’s teachings with a barge pole.
I find no unity at all with the teaching I was raised with....I studied the Bible and found out what Jesus really taught.

As one who is very vocal about Christendom, I am bemused by the fact that you still accept their primary doctrines. Have you studied the Bible carefully and the origins of those primary doctrines to see if Jesus really taught them?

Have you ever heard of a man named calvin . He too saw errors in the unholy harlot
YET led his own into darkness as well .
Have you ever heard of a man named joseph smith .
HE too saw some deadly errors in the RCC and protestant churches of His day
BUT HE LED THEM INTO greater darkness .
Guess what , SO DID the so called beloved leader of the JW camp .
HE too saw deadly errors in the churches
but man did he mess things up himself .
Just cause a broke clock is right twice a day dont mean it is ever once to be trusted .
So marvel not if the false churches can have some very accurate doctrines in SOME areas
and YET be totally decieved and even void of TRUTH itself .
GOD kept me safe my friend . HE put me into one book an ed that book alone did i read and have i read
daily every day since .
And ps , if you think the JW camp is not already to some d egree infected with this ecumenicism unity
Your wrong . It just came presented to them , as it did to all denominations
in the way that a jw will relate to and not SEE it as BEING ECUMENICSIM per say .
THEY do have you all . I BEEN watching . Maybe not as badly as some others
BUT soon all will merge under the love god , who is not LOVE or GOD .
My advice , Stop trusting in vaticans , popes , OR IN YOUR CASE WATCHTOWER . That is how one is fleeced .

 

[JustMe]

Greetings again GodsGrace,

This is where I find it difficult or rather impossible to accept your view here. Are you suggesting that the Eternal Word, God the Son suppressed His Deity and all that entailed in His activity for 9 months in the womb, saying to Himself, "Waiting, Waiting", and then as a babe and infant pretended that He could not have a Divine Conversation with Mary, but had to pretend to be a young human?

I have already quoted the following two verses, and there is no hint that his wisdom was directly derived from His Divinity, but rather from his education and growth in understanding:
Luke 2:40,52 (KJV): 40 And the child grew, and waxed strong in spirit, filled with wisdom: and the grace of God was upon him.
52 And Jesus increased in wisdom and stature, and in favour with God and man.

And there are other OT passages that speak about the source of his wisdom and also the education of Jesus:
Isaiah 11:1–5 (KJV): 1 And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots: 2 And the spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD; 3 And shall make him of quick understanding in the fear of the LORD: and he shall not judge after the sight of his eyes, neither reprove after the hearing of his ears: 4 But with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth: and he shall smite the earth with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked. 5 And righteousness shall be the girdle of his loins, and faithfulness the girdle of his reins.

Isaiah 50:4–9 (KJV): 4 The Lord GOD hath given me the tongue of the learned, that I should know how to speak a word in season to him that is weary: he wakeneth morning by morning, he wakeneth mine ear to hear as the learned. 5 The Lord GOD hath opened mine ear, and I was not rebellious, neither turned away back. 6 I gave my back to the smiters, and my cheeks to them that plucked off the hair: I hid not my face from shame and spitting. 7 For the Lord GOD will help me; therefore shall I not be confounded: therefore have I set my face like a flint, and I know that I shall not be ashamed. 8 He is near that justifieth me; who will contend with me? let us stand together: who is mine adversary? let him come near to me. 9 Behold, the Lord GOD will help me; who is he that shall condemn me? lo, they all shall wax old as a garment; the moth shall eat them up.

When it came to the time of His Ministry, John states that they beheld His Glory, and he explains this as that Jesus "was full of grace and truth". This is consistent with all of the above, in that he developed wisdom and understanding, he developed the fullness of the Divine Character.

The Word LOGOS has a wide range of meaning, but in part it speaks of the Character of God and also His Plan and Purpose which became focused and fulfilled in the birth, ministry, trials, suffering, death and resurrection of Jesus. John 1:14 speaks initially of how this LOGOS became revealed in the ministry of Jesus and his character.

Kind regards
Trevor

Well said, especially the beginning subject. I wonder how many actually think of the process of Yeshua's creation, birth to a growing male, human being?

They say that the man Yeshua was not made or created. So what do they call his incarnation, NOT a new existence and creation or transformation of some sort? He was surely transformed into something?! And that by definition is a type of NEW creation.

And if that thought does not move them, he surely was created anew at his resurrection!! For a man of God his Son into an immortal man, for the first time as a NEW existence from his death.

 

[amigo de christo]

Well said, especially the beginning subject. I wonder how many actually think of the process of Yeshua's creation, birth to a growing male, human being?

They say that the man Yeshua was not made or created. So what do they call his incarnation, NOT a new existence and creation or transformation of some sort? He was surely transformed into something?! And that by definition is a type of NEW creation.

And if that thought does not move them, he surely was created anew at his resurrection!! For a man of God his Son into an immortal man, for the first time as a NEW existence from his death.

The word Became FLESH . let us not kid ourselves and use partail truths to promote a lie .
For no man can deny the fact
IT IS written And the word was GOD and the word Became flesh .
Any more than can they deny TO GOD ALONE belonged the title I AM the FIRST and the last .
Ya heeding men my friend . You reasoning wit h the carnal wisdom of men .
But you are not alone . The fleecers of this people , I mean the leaders of this people
Are led of the carnal mind and have long desired titles and to be seen and have the praise of men .
And now at the end and in the end hour
the unifying force of all darkness has come to unify all who loved the darkness
to merge as one under what they will all as one see and believe is LOVE an d OF GOD .
And buddists will hold hands with muslims and muslims with jews and with all of the decieved within christendom .
AND all will chant LET US FIND common ground
and all will chant let us do the will of GOD for world peace n sa fety , for we serve the same GOD
and we love and have his love within us . BUT it was naught but the s tro ng delusion
that led them an d will have led them N OT to the very peace and utopia and safety
T EHY SO THOUGHT IT WOULD . BUT TO THE DAY of THE DAY OF MUCH WAILING and unto their own sudden destruction
BY THE VERY GOD and CHRIST they beleived they served . My advice remains as it has
since the day i first appeared on even websites long ago . GET I NTHAT BIBLE
and SEE what god or GOD , what christ or CHRIST on e has been serving all along . cause many serve
the angel of darkn ess who has brought them to what it c alls light , what it calls love . And it be none other than
the dragon . T ime is short and many will wail on the DAY OF all MIGHTY GOD and of the LAM B .
MY WOR DS SHALL BE HIS JUDGE on the LAST DAY . so i suggest WE READ HIS WORDS and start believing HIM
and not rather m en in wool who use HIS NAME and yet lead this people to the second d eath .

 

[amigo de christo]

As the bible says, the saints of old all died in faith, not having received the promises. They did not "see" the promises fulfilled to the end of their natural lives, yet continued to believe. Their faith was the evidence and substance of what they did not yet see but hoped for.

and here is what they longed to see ,
here is what they had hope in
MANY KINGS and prophets have desired T OSEE THESE DAYS and have not seen them .
IT WAS JESUS . IT WAS HIS COMI NG . THEY DIED IN FAITH of HE who was TO COME and b e the SAVOIR OF ISRAEL
THE CHRIST OF GOD . THEY did die in faith .
EVEN david saw HIS DAY
And speaks of it and the ressurection of HIM
EVEN ISSAIH spoke of it
And though the false of their time had always tried to take them captive
THE SHEEP DID NOT HEED THEM .
And even today THE SHEEP STILL DO NOT HEED such men .
MY SHEEP hear , oh may is say again
MY SHEEP hear ...................MY VOICE and the voice of a s t ranger they WILL NOT heed .
FOR this reason came i into the world and for this very cause WAS i born
TO TESTIFY OF THE TRUTH
all who are of the TRUTH come to ME . I expose satans ecumeincal a nti christ interfaith
and shall do so no matter the cost . ITS JESUS preaching TIME , IT IS SOUND doctrine preaching time
IT IS time and it be HIGH TIME
to sound the alarm , to give warning to the peoples
that A WHORES LOVE has come to take them all captive to a lie and to perdtion .

 

[BreadOfLife]

Doesn't mention a church, only believers, and you are not in Father and Son through a church, but the Holy Spirit
Because Jesus said JUST AS you are in me and I am in you may they also be in us.

EVERYTHING that Jesus taught was for His Church. ALL of His believers are supposed to be part of His Body – the Church.

Jesus and his father are not in each other through the catholic church are they?

Jesus and His Church are ONE.
The Bible tells us in NO uncertain terms that –

- The Church is the FULLNESS of Christ (Eph. 1:22-23).

- The Church is the Pillar and Foundation of Truth (1 Tim. 3:15).

- His Church that the Holy Spirit would guide it to ALL Truth (John 16:12-15).

- WHATEVER the Church bound or loosed on earth would ALSO be bound and loosed in Heaven (Matt. 16:18-19, Matt. 18:15-18, John 20:21-23).

- Jesus identifies His very SELF with His Church (Acts 9:4-5).

 

[BreadOfLife]

This is a flat out lie. Faith alone is true if that is the Roman Catholic definition. Faith is not a good definition of pistis.

I know Catholics emphasize faith more than trust.

WRONG.

Faith is trusting in God by believing and obeying Him.
Unfortunately, YOU see it as blind belief and nothing more . . .

 

[amigo de christo]

As the bible says, the saints of old all died in faith, not having received the promises. They did not "see" the promises fulfilled to the end of their natural lives, yet continued to believe. Their faith was the evidence and substance of what they did not yet see but hoped for.

People wonder why i warn so much about this ecumencism of anti christ .
And yet when asked what it was or is
And i bring videos , NOTHING . no response at all from them .
And even when another had asked me about it
and another sister named nancy had b rought a video to show this other .
THEY never even responsed one way or the other.
WHY
I WILL tell us all w hy
CAUSE MOST Folks are clung T OMEN , either to trump who does it
or biden harris who supports it
OR popes who support it
OR their own Denomi nation that supports it .
YOU wanna know what the real root of their problem is
THEY TRUST IN MEN NOT GOD .
M EN , NOT GOD
And they hang to their prophets or their teachers , or the watchtowers , or their vatican
or their calivn or wahtever else
AS THOUGH these voices ARE THE VOICE OF GOD and not rather as men .
THIS people perish F ROM lack of knowledge and have loved to have it so .
And what is the ONE common thing i see amon gst every last one of them
TO SOME d egree or another its the lovey do judge not , unity , c ommon ground stuff .
SOME form of ecumeincalsim HAS THEM . Because THEY TRUST IN MEN , NOT GOD .

 

[BreadOfLife]

The commandments Paul says you die to and are released from, the commandments he terms the letter that kills, the ministry of death and condemnation:

You must not dwell on any impure thought

You must never put anything before God in your life

You must not tell any even little fib about another

You must not erect any graven image in your mind

You must not desire anything of your neighbours, whether material goods or a member of their household.

You must obey the law relating to the inner man, the law no one but you and God need know you break
Going by your post, do you believe you have true faith and are saved?

YOU are a perfect example of what Peter wrote:

Peter 3:16
He (Paul) writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.

Paul is saying that we don’t depend on the law for salvation. If we DID – we would ALL go to Hell.
Fortunately, we have Jesus Christ to turn to when we stumble – and we WILL stumble. Those who depend on their own adherence to the Law and nothing else have NO recourse. We are DEAD to those requirements.

THAT’S what Paul trying to convey . . .

 

[amigo de christo]

YOU are a perfect example of what Peter wrote:

Peter 3:16
He (Paul) writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.

Paul is saying that we don’t depend on the law for salvation. If we DID – we would ALL go to Hell.
Fortunately, we have Jesus Christ to turn to when we stumble – and we WILL stumble. Those who depend on their own adherence to the Law and nothing else have NO recourse. We are DEAD to those requirements.

THAT’S what Paul trying to convey . . .

Talk about hyprocrisy . look at the truth you just wrote concering what peter had wrote .
YET YOU SUPPORT that anti christ ecumencism
WHICH DARN sure DID NOT POINT them false religions TO CHRIST
but rather told them HOW FINE and GOOD they are and they too are coming to the same GOD WE DO .
FRIEND if you gonna speak some truth , YOU BETTER KNOW THE TRUTH .
because many folks can lip t ruths , and STILL NOT KNOW THE TRUTH at all .
Get away from anything ecumenical . ITS INTERRELGIOUS dialgoue is OF ANTI CHRIST .

 

[saved by grace 101]

YOU are a perfect example of what Peter wrote:

Peter 3:16
He (Paul) writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.

Paul is saying that we don’t depend on the law for salvation. If we DID – we would ALL go to Hell.
Fortunately, we have Jesus Christ to turn to when we stumble – and we WILL stumble. Those who depend on their own adherence to the Law and nothing else have NO recourse. We are DEAD to those requirements.

THAT’S what Paul trying to convey . . .

You don't depend on the law for salvation but salvation is obtained by faith, baptism and obeying the TC
So, my brothers and sisters, you also died to the law through the body of Christ, that you might belong to another, to him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God. 5 For when we were in the realm of the flesh,[a] the sinful passions aroused by the law were at work in us, so that we bore fruit for death. 6 But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code.
What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.

9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.

10 And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.

11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me. Rom7:4-11

for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.

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7 Now if the ministry that brought death, which was engraved in letters on stone, came with glory, so that the Israelites could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of its glory, transitory though it was, 8 will not the ministry of the Spirit be even more glorious? 9 If the ministry that brought condemnation was glorious, how much more glorious is the ministry that brings righteousness! 2Cor3:6-9

 

[amigo de christo]

WRONG.

Faith is trusting in God by believing and obeying Him.
Unfortunately, YOU see it as blind belief and nothing more . . .

Why yet another truth .
YET STILL you follow that ecumeincism . talk about hyprocrisy my friend .
Do not think i am have to condemn anyone
I do as i do f or the people . NOW GET THEM and YOURSELF out of anything
attached to in any way ecumenicism and its intefaith interrelgious dialgoue .

 

[saved by grace 101]

YOU are a perfect example of what Peter wrote:

Peter 3:16
He (Paul) writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.

Paul is saying that we don’t depend on the law for salvation. If we DID – we would ALL go to Hell.
Fortunately, we have Jesus Christ to turn to when we stumble – and we WILL stumble. Those who depend on their own adherence to the Law and nothing else have NO recourse. We are DEAD to those requirements.

THAT’S what Paul trying to convey . . .

Go to any catholic source you like and answer the three questions at the end of scripture, shouldn’t be a problem as your church understands the bible, and is the pillar of truth:



We who are Jews by birth and not sinful Gentiles 16 know that a person is not justified by the works of the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in[d] Christ and not by the works of the law, because by the works of the law no one will be justified.

17 “But if, in seeking to be justified in Christ, we Jews find ourselves also among the sinners, doesn’t that mean that Christ promotes sin? Absolutely not! 18 If I rebuild what I destroyed, then I really would be a lawbreaker. Gal2:15-18



Justification is instantaneous at conversion(or baptism to you) the justification Paul is writing about clearly takes time to achieve, what justification is he writing about?

Why does he ask the question:

Doesn’t that mean that Christ promotes sin?

And what does he mean when he states:

Absolutely not! 18 If I rebuild what I destroyed, then I really would be a lawbreaker

 

[saved by grace 101]

EVERYTHING that Jesus taught was for His Church. ALL of His believers are supposed to be part of His Body – the Church.

Jesus and His Church are ONE.
The Bible tells us in NO uncertain terms that –

- The Church is the FULLNESS of Christ (Eph. 1:22-23).

- The Church is the Pillar and Foundation of Truth (1 Tim. 3:15).

- His Church that the Holy Spirit would guide it to ALL Truth (John 16:12-15).

- WHATEVER the Church bound or loosed on earth would ALSO be bound and loosed in Heaven (Matt. 16:18-19, Matt. 18:15-18, John 20:21-23).

- Jesus identifies His very SELF with His Church (Acts 9:4-5).

Best not to quote John17:20-23 concerning the above, it does not relate to it!