My personal eclectic view

[ewq1938]

Began? No. At the end which is still future, but not by much.

"until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in." That means has been completed. THEN the partial blindness will lift completely from unsaved Israel and they will become spiritual Israel in Jesus' Church.

The bible does say that happens. It says unbelievers were blinded so if that blindness is removed you still have unbelievers.

 

[Ronald D Milam]

Yikes! There is a lot of confusion on these Christian forum sites. You are both wrong. BTW, why did you conceal who you were responding to? I'd like to know.

Sister, David from N.J. is correct, there is a dual fulfillment. In Antiochus Epiphanes (AE4) God gave us the archetype Anti-Christ BUT....what people miss, and do not think about, is if God does that, He always would give us the archetype False Prophet, and in my Exegesis of Dan. 11 & 12 (should have added in Dan. 10 as its one continual vision) I found a High Priest named Jason who bribed AE4 to be named the Jewish High Priest and he thus had his pious high priest brother, Onias III killed. He then welcomed AE4 into the temple to sacrifice a pig on the altar of God, thus defiling it to the point it had to be cleansed and that is where Hanukkah came from. Jason (real name Yeshua) took on the Greek culture and a Greek name and he then Mandated that all Jews become Hellenized leading unto the Maccabean Revolt.

All this is a foreshadowing of end time events. God does this to let His peoples understand what is coming if they research, pray, seek these things out. So, in the end time, a Greek born king (E.U. President) will throw in with a Jewish High Priest who like Jason will be more in line with the E.U. (which is the Agreement, Israel will join the E.U. its that simple) and after the 1/3 repent (Zech. 13:8-9) this Orthodox Jewish High Priest will be very angry that the 1/3 (5 million or so Jews ho have repented) will start showing up in "his temple" to worship Jesus, thus he FORBIDS Jesus Worship, (TAKES AWAY.....The REAL Sacrifice) and then places an IMAGE of the Beast (E.U. President) up in the temple, but he's not the Beast over Israel until he conquers them 30 days later, thus Israel have 30 days to flee Judea, from the 1290, to the 1260. Thus he places the AoD as Rev. 13 clearly says he does, the 2nd Beast places an Image of the First Beast up in the temple of God.

Jason and Antiochus were meant to show us the pattern of who the end time Anti-Christ and False Prophet will be, to those who are keen, God always gives the info. The Three Wise men knew Jesus was being birthed.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

There is no partial blindness. Anyone who wishes to come to Christ can come.

Those who refuse to come to Christ do so not because of blindness, but because of their own obdurate unbelief and hardness of heart.

I looked again. It seems it is full blindness, not partial at all. No wonder very few Jews became born again Christians in the last 2,000 years! But, some still do when convinced.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

The bible does say that happens. It says unbelievers were blinded so if that blindness is removed you still have unbelievers.

You quoted the wrong verse. It is 2 Thess. 2:8-12 that will be sold out to the Antichrist and remain unbelievers.

What you quoted of mine is Romans 11:25-27, but the Jews DO become believers. Just no more Gentiles. Theirs is not called "blindness," God puts a "strong delusion" on them.

 

[Earburner]

Daniel 9:24 declares that "Seventy weeks are determined..."

Your reply in post #4 to that of #3 needs to be supported with much spiritual emphasis.....
Amen!

That's all seventy.

Amen!

But your 70th week is decapitated, orphaned, and undetermined.

Amen!

It thus violates Daniel 9:24 and denies the perfect completed accomplishments of Christ at Calvary.

Amen!

It attempts to contort Christ into antichrist.

It is modernist revisionist fantasy and fallacy which is found nowhere in post-apostolic pre-1800 Christian orthodoxy.

Amen!

It is the epitome of prophetic trash, and warrants nothing other than treatment as such.

AMEN!

 

[Zao is life]

Personally I agree with what you are saying with regard to the Dispensationalist's insistence that the 70th week of Daniel did not take place at the time of Christ,

but as with them, certain assertions you make ignore biblical facts and are therefore highly debatable. For example, you state that:

Dispensationalism views the "Abomination of Desolation," mentioned in both Dan 9 and Matt 24, as a reference to the Antichrist.

That's where divergence from a correct interpretation of Matthew 24:15 starts.

Encyclopedias (including Wikipedia) will tell you that the words "abomination of desolation" mentioned in Matthew 24:15 are a phrase from the Book of Daniel describing the pagan sacrifices with which the 2nd century BC Greek king Antiochus IV Epiphanes replaced the twice-daily offering in the Jewish temple, or alternatively the altar on which such offerings were made.

That abomination of desolation is NOT mentioned in Daniel 9:27:

- The abomination(s) mentioned in Daniel 9:27 are linked by verse 26 to the desolation of both Jerusalem and the temple.

- but the abomination of desolation (mentioned in Daniel 8:11; Daniel 11:31; and Daniel 12:11) did not cause the destruction of either the temple, or the city of Jerusalem (the temple was cleansed after Antiochus's armies had been ousted, and reconsecrated to God - something which is still today celebrated by Jews as a holiday - chanukkah)

Jesus spoke of the coming destruction of the temple when He was on the Temple Mount - before departing for the Mount of Olives - which alludes to Daniel 9:27

Luke 21:20-24 records that later, on the Mount of Olives, Jesus also spoke of the coming destruction of Jerusalem - again something which is mentioned in Daniel 9:26-27 in connection with the coming of the Messiah.

- but His reference to the abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel the prophet standing in the holy place is not referring or alluding to anything written in Daniel 9:27 - but directly referring to Daniel 8:11; Daniel 11:31; and Daniel 12:11

- which has nothing to do with the destruction of either the temple or the city.

Paul later told us what Jesus was referring to in Matthew 24:15 when he alluded to it in 2 Thessalonians 2:4.

The school of interpretation you belong to is large - and that school conflates the abomination(s) associated with the destruction of the temple and the city (Daniel 9:26-27) with an abomination of desolation that does not cause the destruction of either the temple, or the city of Jerusalem.

Your interpretation also completely ignores the fact that the only way the words "the holy place" in Matthew 24:15 and "standing where it does not belong" in Mark 13:14 can be referring to the temple that was destroyed in AD70, is if that temple was indeed the holy place.

Not only is the above the case, but the large school of interpretation you belong to cannot even agree as to what exactly it was that constituted the abomination of desolation in AD70.

The Book of Revelation was looked at by Dispensationalists as separated into two parts, the present Church Age and the final 7 years of Antichristian rule. The Church would be Raptured just before the rise of Antichrist, coinciding with John's Rapture to Heaven to see his visions. What followed would be 7 years of Antichristian rule prior to the Battle of Armageddon and Christ's 2nd Coming.

Aside from their insertion of Daniel 9:26-27's seven years into the Revelation, there's no problem with that. Everything that follows the messages to the seven churches in the Revelation from Chapter 4 onward is talking about the 42 months immediately preceding the return of Christ - which is why Jesus made a promise to those who overcome seven times to the churches - once to each church.

One only needs to compare Jesus's promises to those who overcome with the common symbols and themes found in Revelation chapters 4, 15 & 20 to spot this fact:

- Four beasts mentioned in both passages.

- Sea of glass mentioned in both passages.

- 24 elders clothed in white raiment / crowns [stephanos] of gold on their heads (Revelation 4:4).

- Those who had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, are seen standing on the sea of glass, having the harps of God (Revelation 15:2).

- The same ones are seen alive [zao] and reigning with Christ in Revelation 20:4-6, where John is told that this is the first resurrection of the body [anastasis].

The overlapping of interpretations based on ignoring of biblical facts that exists between different schools of interpretation are exactly the places where all the schools begin to reinforce one another's views - hence the overlapping of the Preterist view of the Olivet Discourse with yours (and with all Amillennialst's view) only serves to build fortresses of the mind in those who hold overlapping views.

For example, the belief by Preterists that much of the Olivet Discourse is about the fall of Jerusalem in 70 AD can be held to along with Futurist beliefs.

Exactly.

So, this is where I've come out. I believe the 70th Week of Daniel was fulfilled at the death of Christ.

So do I - in the middle of the seven years.

And I believe the Abomination of Desolation was fulfilled when the Roman Army defeated Jerusalem in 70 AD.

Then that temple was the holy place - not the church - because only something sacrilegious standing in a temple where the presence of the Spirit of God is, can be called an abomination of desolation.

- and what you say above also did not fulfill the prophecy Jesus made regarding the abomination of desolation

- because the abomination of desolation that Jesus was referring to is not something that causes the destruction of Jerusalem or the Temple of God - the prophecy in Daniel that Jesus was referring to is not mentioned in Daniel 9:27

- it's mentioned only in Daniel 8:11; Daniel 11:31; and Daniel 12:11.

I'm also a Postribulationist who believes in a future 3.5 year Reign of Antichrist with the Church being Raptured at the end of this period.

So am I.

And I believe the Olivet Discourse was focused primarily on the fall of Jerusalem in 70 AD

Is that why Jesus spoke about the persecution and tribulation that the living stones of the New Covenant Temple of God would experience when He answered their question?

Jesus prophesied that not one stone of the Old Covenant Temple would be left standing - while He was on the Temple Mount, before departing from the Temple Mount and making His way to the Mount of Olives.

1. Where in the Olivet Discourse did Jesus speak to His disciples about the 'tribulation and persecution' that the stones of the Old Covenant Temple would experience? Where in the Olivet Discourse did He specifically mention the Old Covenant Temple again after having once announced it was going to be destroyed?

2. Is not not remaining true to the gospel to acknowledge the fact that the Old Covenant ended and the New Covenant came when Jesus died and the veil in the old temple was torn in two?

It is indeed remaining true to the gospel to acknowledge the above. It's also true that the temple in Jerusalem was an integral part of, and represented that Old Covenant.

How is it that Christians would later assert that the physical temple was still the holy place 40 years later when Rome destroyed it? What significance did that building in Jerusalem actually have when it was destroyed? Where was the Temple of God? Who was Jesus warning about their tribulation and persecution at the time of the end of the age, in the Olivet Discourse? The living stones of the Temple of God, or the stones of the Old Covenant Temple?

Which temple was important to God in 70 A.D - HIS Temple? Or the old temple in Jerusalem?

Which temple was important to God when Jesus answered the disciples' question(s) on the Mount of Olives? God's Temple? Or the old temple?

Only Preterists and Part-Preterists can explain what part of the gospel they do not believe in order to have the Old Covenant continuing until 70 A.D.

Only those who have the abomination of desolation standing in the holy place assigned to the temple in Jerusalem or the city itself can explain what part of the gospel they do not believe in order to have it that way.

 

[covenantee]

I looked again. It seems it is full blindness, not partial at all. No wonder very few Jews became born again Christians in the last 2,000 years! But, some still do when convinced.

So again, those Jews who reject Christ do so not because of any imposed blindness, but because of their own deliberate obstinate refusal to acknowledge and accept Him.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

So again, those Jews who reject Christ do so not because of any imposed blindness, but because of their own deliberate obstinate refusal to acknowledge and accept Him.

So you don't acknowledge that it is God that blinded them? AND that there is an end date - when the fullness of the Gentiles have come in?

I believe. So, that means when the last Gentile foreknown to be saved is in the Church, all other Gentiles will receive a strong delusion by God to obey the beast. Then national Israel will join spiritual Israel and be saved. I don't suppose you believe that either do you? Are you antisemitic? I'm not, because God's not.

 

[covenantee]

So you don't acknowledge that it is God that blinded them? AND that there is an end date - when the fullness of the Gentiles have come in?

I believe. So, that means when the last Gentile foreknown to be saved is in the Church, all other Gentiles will receive a strong delusion by God to obey the beast. Then national Israel will join spiritual Israel and be saved. I don't suppose you believe that either do you? Are you antisemitic? I'm not, because God's not.

If God has completely blinded all Jews, then it is obviously impossible for any Jew to be saved.

Have you ever heard of Messianic Jews?

They're obviously blinded and unsaved.

 

[covenantee]

Are you antisemitic? I'm not, because God's not.

Matthew 23
33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
John 8
44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Is God antisemitic?

 

[Marty fox]

So you don't acknowledge that it is God that blinded them? AND that there is an end date - when the fullness of the Gentiles have come in?

I believe. So, that means when the last Gentile foreknown to be saved is in the Church, all other Gentiles will receive a strong delusion by God to obey the beast. Then national Israel will join spiritual Israel and be saved. I don't suppose you believe that either do you? Are you antisemitic? I'm not, because God's not.

When it says that God blinded them it’s not actually saying that God blinded them spiritually from being saved obviously not as many Jews had still been saved. It’s sayings that God held back from them just like when He hardened pharaohs heart

Jesus died for all it will be each person’s choice to not believe God can never be blamed

 

[David in NJ]

As I said, and as you quoted me, I DO NOT accept that the "Great Tribulation" was identified by Jesus in his Olivet Discourse as a future 7 Week period, nor

In Fact JESUS did identify the Great Tribulation in Matthew chapter 24 / Olivet Discourse


“Then they will deliver you up to tribulation and kill you, and you will be hated by all nations for My name’s sake. And then many will be offended, will betray one another, and will hate one another. Then many false prophets will rise up and deceive many. And because lawlessness will abound, the love of many will grow cold. But he who endures to the end shall be saved.
And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come."

 

[amigo de christo]

JESUS Said His elect will and must endure tribulation even during the Great Tribulation.

The GT is not the Wrath of God = Revelation makes that CLEAR

The GT is the wrath of satan upon this world = we are already in it and it will continue to build and gain momentum.

Woe to the inhabitants of the earth and the sea! For the Devil has come down to you, having great wrath, because he knows that he has a short time....................................
And the Dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to make war with the rest of her offspring, who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ."

SOUND IT OUT for all to hear . WE as did JESUS and later the apostels did
warn that we are appointed unto tribulation . AND YOU are correct my friend
when you say ITS ABOUT TO HIT AN ALL OUT MASSIVE PEAK .
Sadly however when it do
MUCH OF CHRISTENDOM and the merged false relgions
WILL SEE OUR SPILLED BLOOD as a necessary means for to attain peace n sa fety .
NEVER KNOWING they do the will of their father which is NOT IN HEAVEN , thus it will be an ice cold day
in a hot place long before i captilize that father .
IF ONLY
IF ONLY this people knew the god many now follow leads them only
to upmost rebellion against THE ONLY GOD that co uld have saved them , BY PR OMISES of a false love
that will save NOT ONE SOUL . MARK these words i say next
THE HOUR of our betrayal is at the door . EVEN NOW already are the true saints
KICKED out of churches who dare to call themselves christain . THE WORDS of GOD
they have kicked out and as time has went on , ONL Y MORE of HIS WORDS have they kicked out .
TILL NOW they not only in heart have kicked out the true gospel , BUT EVEN BY LIP DO SO .
Never think that we live in a time or society
WHEN BLOOD cannot be spilled in the streets of society . Cause what i say to one i say to all
BLOOD is coming . YEAH , verily verily i say unto thee and unto all the sheep
THE TIME COMETH when this gener ation of christendom willl even beleive
They do the will of GOD when the true saints are rounded up and even killed . Let us not t h ink
this cometh only upon nations such as iran , such as korea
NO i tell us all BlOOD will be spilled IN EVEN THE WESTERN SOCITIES . it cannot be s topped da vid
THE ONLY THIN G WE can do is ENDURE FAIT HF UL THR OUGH IT ALL to the end . COUNTING THE COST .

 

[David in NJ]

When it says that God blinded them it’s not actually saying that God blinded them spiritually from being saved obviously not as many Jews had still been saved. It’s sayings that God held back from them just like when He hardened pharaohs heart

Jesus died for all it will be each person’s choice to not believe God can never be blamed

GOD did not have to hold back from them Salvation = the Jews did that of their own choosing!!! = Hosea 4:6

My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge. Because you have rejected knowledge, I will also reject you as My priests. Since you have forgotten the law of your God, I will also forget your children.

 

[amigo de christo]

In Fact JESUS did identify the Great Tribulation in Matthew chapter 24 / Olivet Discourse


“Then they will deliver you up to tribulation and kill you, and you will be hated by all nations for My name’s sake. And then many will be offended, will betray one another, and will hate one another. Then many false prophets will rise up and deceive many. And because lawlessness will abound, the love of many will grow cold. But he who endures to the end shall be saved.
And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come."

This people will try and tell you that this was onl y concerning that generation at the first .
BELIEVE THEM NOT .
OH it began AT THAT G ENERATION . NO doubt about that .
BUT TELL ME
HAS christain blood lessened since then OR ONLY INCREASED .
AND ITS ABOUT TO COME FLOWING IN TO EVEN THE WEST ERN NATIONS . WE ARE ALL ABOUT
to be DELIVERED UP my friend . THE MOST WORST OF ALL TRIBULTAIONS against the church
has not only increased since then , ITS ABOUT TO BLOW ITS TOP like A POWEDERED KEG PULL OF C FOUR .
THIS THIN G IS ABoUT TO H IT THE VERY PEAK ALL GENERATIONS were warned about .
BUT AS USUAL they g onna think OH ITS GODS WILL . aint a darn thi ng new under the sun .

 

[David in NJ]

SOUND IT OUT for all to hear . WE as did JESUS and later the apostels did
warn that we are appointed unto tribulation . AND YOU are correct my friend
when you say ITS ABOUT TO HIT AN ALL OUT MASSIVE PEAK .
Sadly however when it do
MUCH OF CHRISTENDOM and the merged false relgions
WILL SEE OUR SPILLED BLOOD as a necessary means for to attain peace n sa fety .
NEVER KNOWING they do the will of their father which is NOT IN HEAVEN , thus it will be an ice cold day
in a hot place long before i captilize that father .
IF ONLY
IF ONLY this people knew the god many now follow leads them only
to upmost rebellion against THE ONLY GOD that co uld have saved them , BY PR OMISES of a false love
that will save NOT ONE SOUL . MARK these words i say next
THE HOUR of our betrayal is at the door . EVEN NOW already are the true saints
KICKED out of churches who dare to call themselves christain . THE WORDS of GOD
they have kicked out and as time has went on , ONL Y MORE of HIS WORDS have they kicked out .
TILL NOW they not only in heart have kicked out the true gospel , BUT EVEN BY LIP DO SO .
Never think that we live in a time or society
WHEN BLOOD cannot be spilled in the streets of society . Cause what i say to one i say to all
BLOOD is coming . YEAH , verily verily i say unto thee and unto all the sheep
THE TIME COMETH when this gener ation of christendom willl even beleive
They do the will of GOD when the true saints are rounded up and even killed . Let us not t h ink
this cometh only upon nations such as iran , such as korea
NO i tell us all BlOOD will be spilled IN EVEN THE WESTERN SOCITIES . it cannot be s topped da vid
THE ONLY THIN G WE can do is ENDURE FAIT HF UL THR OUGH IT ALL to the end . COUNTING THE COST .

"MUCH OF CHRISTENDOM and the merged false relgions
WILL SEE OUR SPILLED BLOOD as a necessary means for to attain Peace n Safety."


Will this take place on Christmas???
When the two witnesses have finished their testimony, the beast that comes up from the Abyss will wage war with them, and will overpower and kill them. Their bodies will lie in the street of the great city—figuratively called Sodom and Egypt—where their Lord was also crucified. For three and a half days all peoples and tribes and tongues and nations will view their bodies and will not permit them to be laid in a tomb.
And those who dwell on the earth will gloat over them and celebrate and send one another gifts, because these two prophets had tormented them.

 

[amigo de christo]

"MUCH OF CHRISTENDOM and the merged false relgions
WILL SEE OUR SPILLED BLOOD as a necessary means for to attain Peace n Safety."


Will this take place on Christmas???
When the two witnesses have finished their testimony, the beast that comes up from the Abyss will wage war with them, and will overpower and kill them. Their bodies will lie in the street of the great city—figuratively called Sodom and Egypt—where their Lord was also crucified. For three and a half days all peoples and tribes and tongues and nations will view their bodies and will not permit them to be laid in a tomb.
And those who dwell on the earth will gloat over them and celebrate and send one another gifts, because these two prophets had tormented them.

WELL to them it will be christmas , as satan clause gave them their hearts desire
ONLY
SOON enough it will be made VERY CLEAR, that ol santa clause or satan clause
COULD NOT DELIVER THEM the very present of their PEACE N SAFETY
as GOD ALL MIGHTY HIMSELF , CHRIST JESUS THE MIGTY WORD OF GOD
delivers upon them , well it wont b e peace n safety , but rather sudden d estruction .
It brings me no joy to see their death . BUT DAVID , GOD cANNOT LIE . THEY WILL BE DAMNED , and i mean
ever last one of them . For they love a lie and reject the very TRUTH , THE VERY GOD , THE VERY CHRIST
that could have saved them in favor of a god that simply made them FEEL saved and served their sin . that is a fact .

 

[David in NJ]

Sister, David from N.J. is correct, there is a dual fulfillment. In Antiochus Epiphanes (AE4) God gave us the archetype Anti-Christ BUT....what people miss, and do not think about, is if God does that, He always would give us the archetype False Prophet, and in my Exegesis of Dan. 11 & 12 (should have added in Dan. 10 as its one continual vision) I found a High Priest named Jason who bribed AE4 to be named the Jewish High Priest and he thus had his pious high priest brother, Onias III killed. He then welcomed AE4 into the temple to sacrifice a pig on the altar of God, thus defiling it to the point it had to be cleansed and that is where Hanukkah came from. Jason (real name Yeshua) took on the Greek culture and a Greek name and he then Mandated that all Jews become Hellenized leading unto the Maccabean Revolt.

All this is a foreshadowing of end time events. God does this to let His peoples understand what is coming if they research, pray, seek these things out. So, in the end time, a Greek born king (E.U. President) will throw in with a Jewish High Priest who like Jason will be more in line with the E.U. (which is the Agreement, Israel will join the E.U. its that simple) and after the 1/3 repent (Zech. 13:8-9) this Orthodox Jewish High Priest will be very angry that the 1/3 (5 million or so Jews ho have repented) will start showing up in "his temple" to worship Jesus, thus he FORBIDS Jesus Worship, (TAKES AWAY.....The REAL Sacrifice) and then places an IMAGE of the Beast (E.U. President) up in the temple, but he's not the Beast over Israel until he conquers them 30 days later, thus Israel have 30 days to flee Judea, from the 1290, to the 1260. Thus he places the AoD as Rev. 13 clearly says he does, the 2nd Beast places an Image of the First Beast up in the temple of God.

Jason and Antiochus were meant to show us the pattern of who the end time Anti-Christ and False Prophet will be, to those who are keen, God always gives the info. The Three Wise men knew Jesus was being birthed.

i gave you LOVE = not because you mentioned my name in a positive way but because your Post is 100% ACCURATE

BIG Thank You for bringing forth the Bread from Heaven in TRUTH

SHALOM

 

[amigo de christo]

Matthew 23
33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
John 8
44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Is God antisemitic?

not only is he NOT antisemtic , According to the flesh
that same JESUS you just quoated came of that lineage . THOUGH HE WAS long before and had created all that was and is .
That same JESUS you just qouated
said this TO the unbelieving jews
WHO had said to HIM , WE HAVE ONE FATHER IT IS GOD .
YE are of your father the devil .
AND for more info
LOOK at what the jewish apostels , as well as paul
TOLD THE JEWS who rejected JESUS the CHRIST .
but i guess to this generation JESUS and the apostels would have been ANTISEMETIC .
DO YOU ever get the feeling this people HAS BEEN DECIEVED . CAUSE they have .

 

[Marvelloustime]

not only is he NOT antisemtic , According to the flesh
that same JESUS you just quoated came of that lineage . THOUGH HE WAS long before and had created all that was and is .
That same JESUS you just qouated
said this TO the unbelieving jews
WHO had said to HIM , WE HAVE ONE FATHER IT IS GOD .
YE are of your father the devil .
AND for more info
LOOK at what the jewish apostels , as well as paul
TOLD THE JEWS who rejected JESUS the CHRIST .
but i guess to this generation JESUS and the apostels would have been ANTISEMETIC .
DO YOU ever get the feeling this people HAS BEEN DECIEVED . CAUSE they have .

@amigo de christo