If Greenlanders want security and prosperity, they will join the US in a COFA arrangement

[Wrangler]

Clearly the West should be backing Trump up

I watched a powerful video on Europe's betrayal of America. America saved Europe from 2 world wars, which cost us 2,000,000 men their lives. In rebuilding Europe under the Marshal plan, America chose not to take the spoils of war, which is the historical norm (often decried now by the globalists as colonialism). We GAVE billions in rebuilding and fed millions daily.

After that we put our nuclear weapons on the continent to shield Europe from Soviet western expansion ambitions on top of stationing 400,000 troops. During the Cold War America has paid $13 trillion protecting Europe, while they refused for over half a century to even pay 2% of GDP toward their own defense. Instead, they turned into a welfare state, embracing free health care and 6 weeks paid vacation!

America sacrificed where they refused to with US taxpayers not only footing the bill but costing their own life style. They allowed their military capacity to wither so badly, they could not provide half of the munitions need in the Ukraine War. Then, when America asserts its own interest, these hypocrites lecture America on sovereignty! America's need for the rare Earth metals in Greenland should mark the end of NATO. It outlived its purpose nearly 4 decades ago. While America's origins are European, they are not our future. Time for us to abandon them to the consequences of their failed ideologies.

 

[Wrangler]

No, Trump is just plundering the world natural resources under false pretenses.

And might does not make it right.

No false pretense about it. Greenland's natural resources is vital to our national security, i.e., to our survival.

Survival trumps all other moral arguments for survival is the ULTIMATE moral standard. We will not be guilted or shamed by words like "plundered."

 

[Wrangler]

If Greenlanders want security and prosperity, they will join the US in a COFA arrangement​

Sounds like a Mafia boss making an offer that can't be refused.

Refusing means war and death.

Democracy is not "once decided, the person who won is unlimited".

Yes it is. Democracy is EXACTLY "once decided, the person who won is unlimited". Fortunately, America is not and never was a democracy but a republic.

Plurality, the protection of other opinions and the rule of law, the justice system, constitution, ethics, morality, right or wrong, accountability, checks and balances, civilized behavior, respect to others, honoring alliances and treaties... are still in place.

It's kind of odd to see the minority assert the power to dictate the social order. And it is evil to pretend ethics, morality, right and wrong supersede survival. Survival is the ULTIMATE moral standard.

Alliances and treaties should only be respected when they serve their purpose. NATO's time has come and gone. Alliances exist to serve the people; the people don't exist to serve alliances. If acquiring the resource in Greenland means changing these alliances, so be it. Civilized behavior can only be backed up by weapons superior to the barbarian.

 

[ProDeo]

Romans 13:1 -Every person is to be in subjection to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those which exist have been appointed by God. 2 Therefore whoever resists that authority has opposed the ordinance of God; and they who have opposed will receive condemnation upon themselves.

Acts 5:27 And when they had brought them, they set them before the council. And the high priest questioned them,
Acts 5:28 saying, “We strictly charged you not to teach in this name, yet here you have filled Jerusalem with your teaching, and you intend to bring this man's blood upon us.”
Acts 5:29 But Peter and the apostles answered, “We must obey God rather than men.

The red, the then current authorities as defined in Romans 13.

And what did Peter say ?

Should be the final arbiter in everything.

 

[HealthyShape]

I watched a powerful video on Europe's betrayal of America. America saved Europe from 2 world wars, which cost us 2,000,000 men their lives. In rebuilding Europe under the Marshal plan, America chose not to take the spoils of war, which is the historical norm (often decried now by the globalists as colonialism). We GAVE billions in rebuilding and fed millions daily.

After that we put our nuclear weapons on the continent to shield Europe from Soviet western expansion ambitions on top of stationing 400,000 troops. During the Cold War America has paid $13 trillion protecting Europe, while they refused for over half a century to even pay 2% of GDP toward their own defense. Instead, they turned into a welfare state, embracing free health care and 6 weeks paid vacation!

America sacrificed where they refused to with US taxpayers not only footing the bill but costing their own life style. They allowed their military capacity to wither so badly, they could not provide half of the munitions need in the Ukraine War. Then, when America asserts its own interest, these hypocrites lecture America on sovereignty! America's need for the rare Earth metals in Greenland should mark the end of NATO. It outlived its purpose nearly 4 decades ago. While America's origins are European, they are not our future. Time for us to abandon them to the consequences of their failed ideologies.

This is one sided, biased oversimplification with huge factual errors.

1. About 170,000 Americans died in Europe across the two World Wars, not 2,000,000.

2. America wanted Europe to stay weak and to keep the US soldiers there, it was by design. So Europe invested their money into social welfare instead of into military, the US kept the military control over the globe and "everybody was happy".

3. This arrangement of things led to the US economy being the world reserve, with the US dollar being the world reserve currency, the US bonds being the global asset etc. The US would be much poorer without this, in the last century. All the prosperity was on debt - other nations have been buying the US bonds without asking questions, until recently.

4. These "hypocrites" stood by the US whenever the US called - Gulf War, Afghanistan, tolerate the US bases in their countries, buy the US equipment with trillions of euros, let the US to lead the western culture (for better or worse)...

5. When Trump made a 180 degree turn in this order of affairs, the EU actually quite quickly (in few years) boosted their military spendings significantly.

6. The EU allowed basically unlimited market for the US IT sector, sending trillions of euros to the US through the products and services of Microsoft, Google, Apple, Dell, HP, Amazon, Oracle... No other continent allowed this so much on their market.

7. Other cooperation like in science, buying the US oil, brain-drain from Europe to America etc.

 

[HealthyShape]

Yes it is. Democracy is EXACTLY "once decided, the person who won is unlimited". Fortunately, America is not and never was a democracy but a republic.

Nope. You either do not understand democracy or you are imagining some ancient "Roman" one or something. Modern, Christian democracies are not what you think they are.

And republic is not something sinister or limiting democracy. Republic just means it is ruled by people, not by a monarch, so it strengthens the democratic principles, not weakens. The winner does not become any kind of king or a monarch.

 

[ProDeo]

No false pretense about it. Greenland's natural resources is vital to our national security, i.e., to our survival.

Survival trumps all other moral arguments for survival is the ULTIMATE moral standard. We will not be guilted or shamed by words like "plundered."

Of course it is plundering, it started with the Ukraine rare earth resources deal, then Venezuela oil, now Greenland.

It's a pattern.

We are not allies any longer.

 

[Wrangler]

We are not allies any longer.

I'm OK with that. Live long and prosper. We wish you well.

 

[HealthyShape]

I'm OK with that. Live long and prosper. We wish you well.

Do you really believe that 300 million people (and internally divided almost 50:50 politically, with a lot of multicultural and ethnic fragmentation) can function successfully in a world of 8 billion people without allies, disrespecting and threatening others and just grabbing whatever they want? For how long?

 

[quietthinker]

Refusing means war and death.

You clearly have not seen The Saviour or you have fabricated one from your imagination.

 

[Rockerduck]

Acts 5:27 And when they had brought them, they set them before the council. And the high priest questioned them,
Acts 5:28 saying, “We strictly charged you not to teach in this name, yet here you have filled Jerusalem with your teaching, and you intend to bring this man's blood upon us.”
Acts 5:29 But Peter and the apostles answered, “We must obey God rather than men.

The red, the then current authorities as defined in Romans 13.

And what did Peter say ?

Should be the final arbiter in everything.

Scripture does not contradict scripture. Jesus said to and did respect the high Priest, and the Apostle Paul did too. If Jesus told you to do something, you would do it and Jesus would provide a way and did with Peter getting him out of jail. Marching orders from Jesus is different, so to speak, from obeying society norms and also Paul was given a mission to the gentiles, and the authorities didn't like his message, and Paul was whipped and flogged at several places, and he wasn't breaking the law. Peter and John, the same way, was not breaking the law, but the Sanhedrin did not like their message, they didn't disrespect anyone and they had a gospel to preach. Its the same today, preaching on the street is called hate speech, because some don't like to hear the gospel, but street preachers aren't breaking the law.

 

[Scott Downey]

You behave and think as a Christian only in some specific places?

I would say the argument "this is a current events forum" is dumb, rather. Your posts are obviously pushing for the action and defending it with unChristian reasoning.

You must have somehow missed the last few centuries of American history.

The US does not want, tolerate or allow foreign powers playing in the region of North America or any of the Americas, including Venezuela, and Cuba, and certainly not Greenland either. That has nothing to do with Christianity.

 

[Scott Downey]

From The Conservation UK

Whether or not Trump gets his wish to actually acquire Greenland for the US, there seems little doubt that Greenland will once again play host to a strong American presence on the island and that the Arctic in general will become a showcase for the latest military technology the US has in its armouries.

MSN

 

[Rockerduck]

Do you really believe that 300 million people (and internally divided almost 50:50 politically, with a lot of multicultural and ethnic fragmentation) can function successfully in a world of 8 billion people without allies, disrespecting and threatening others and just grabbing whatever they want? For how long?

Germany is not Germany; France is not France anymore. They have let so many Muslim immigrants into their countries their culture is on their last legs. Spain and Italy too. The EU open borders was an invitation to invade the west without impunity and criminals took advantage of them like the Somalis in Minnesota. Satan has blinded people to protect illegals more than its citizens. Criminals' rapists are protected and people fight to keep them from being deported. Society is calling good evil and evil good. No country is immune. However common sense should prevail, not moron sense. Plain and simple, trading partners are friends as long as you are trading and they make money. Look at China, they turned on the US to undermine trade. There are a lot of problems in the world right now and the USA is needed more than any country in the world. We still feed most of the world and China can't feed their citizens; Trump just took Venezuela away that was plotting against us. You heard that right, plotting against us with China and Russia. Most of S. America was aligning with Venezuela. Trump put a stop to it.

 

[Scott Downey]

Superpowers and the rise of the US, GDP of the nations, graphs through time

 

[HealthyShape]

That has nothing to do with Christianity.

But you label yourself as a Christian. So, we expect moral, Christian and peaceful opinions from you. The history of the world or "dog eats dog" is not our standard.

 

[Scott Downey]

But you label yourself as a Christian. So, we expect moral, Christian and peaceful opinions from you. The history of the world or "dog eats dog" is not our standard.

Why do you even post here, this is the current events forum, the news of the world, where we discuss what is happening out there.

 

[HealthyShape]

Why do you even post here, this is the current events forum, the news of the world, where we discuss what is happening out there.

Because you do not just present news, here. Read your own posts. You are wishing for/defending the US aggression against our ally.

 

[Scott Downey]

Because you do not just present news, here. Read your own posts. You are wishing for/defending the US aggression against our ally.

I have a right to my own mind, to which you apparently reject my freedom of thought.
What country are you in anyway?

You do not like discussion forums, ok then, but don't tread on me. Maybe consider the ignore button.

 

[Scott Downey]

Acts 5:27 And when they had brought them, they set them before the council. And the high priest questioned them,
Acts 5:28 saying, “We strictly charged you not to teach in this name, yet here you have filled Jerusalem with your teaching, and you intend to bring this man's blood upon us.”
Acts 5:29 But Peter and the apostles answered, “We must obey God rather than men.

The red, the then current authorities as defined in Romans 13.

And what did Peter say ?

Should be the final arbiter in everything.

Well sure, and believers have suffered for their beliefs from the beginning of time.

How about these

Bible Gateway passage: 1 Peter 2 - 21st Century King James Version

Therefore laying aside all malice and all guile, and hypocrisy and envy and all evil speaking, as newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the Word, that ye may grow thereby, if so it be that ye have tasted that the Lord is gracious. Coming to Him as unto a living stone, disallowed indeed by...

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11 Dearly beloved, I beseech you as strangers and pilgrims, abstain from fleshly lusts which war against the soul,

12 having your way of life honest among the Gentiles, that, whereas they speak against you as evildoers, they may by your good works, which they shall behold, glorify God in the day of visitation.

13 Submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord’s sake, whether it be to the king as supreme,

14 or unto governors as unto those who are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers and for the praise of those who do well.

15 For so is the will of God, that with welldoing ye may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men”

16 as free, and not using your liberty as a cloak for maliciousness, but as the servants of God.

17 Honor all men. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honor the king.

18 Servants, be subject to your masters with all fear, not only to the good and gentle, but also to the froward.

19 For this is thankworthy: if a man, because of his conscience toward God, endure grief, suffering wrongfully.

20 For what glory is it if, when ye be buffeted for your faults, ye shall take it patiently? But if when ye do well and suffer for it, ye take it patiently, this is acceptable with God.

21 For even unto this were ye called, because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow His steps,

22 “who did no sin, neither was guile found in His mouth”;

23 who when He was reviled, reviled not in return; when He suffered, He threatened not, but committed Himself to Him that judgeth righteously;

24 who His own self bore our sins in His own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness; by whose stripes ye were healed.

25 For ye were as sheep going astray, but are now returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls.


Romans 12, 13, 14 are all related and a good study

17 Recompense no man evil for evil. Provide things honest in the sight of all men.

18 If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men.

19 Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath; for it is written: “Vengeance is Mine; I will repay,saith the Lord.”

20 Therefore: “If thine enemy hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him drink. For in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire on his head.”

21 Be not overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.