Do the Ten Commandments still apply under the new covenant today?

[Grailhunter]

That does not deny the fact that many Jews accepted Jesus as Messiah AND God.
The very writers of the NT state this.

Yes.....thousands but not the majority......

 

[GodsGrace]

Of course...
The sacrifice of Christ saved us spiritually.
But the Way includes a philosophy for living that makes our lives better.
The Trinity did not define sin and tell us to avoid it so we would not enjoy life.... Avoiding sin improves life.

The Way indeed.

It made me think of this:

The Didache​

The Lord's Teaching Through the Twelve Apostles to the Nations.

Chapter 1. The Two Ways and the First Commandment. There are two ways, one of life and one of death, but a great difference between the two ways. The way of life, then, is this: First, you shall love God who made you; second, love your neighbor as yourself, and do not do to another what you would not want done to you.

 

[GodsGrace]

They were doing the same thing because they wanted the Jews to accept Yeshua, so they were wanting to establish a connection. Then again notice they do not bring up the point that the prophecies indicated that the Messiah would be human and take out their oppressors.

But the Messiah WAS human.
And He was also God.
Jesus was both.

He cried - human
He forgave sin - Divine

 

[Grailhunter]

We all know they were waiting for a conquering King.
Next time around...

Again the prophecies don't tell of killing Yeshua and he establishing His kingdom thousands of years in the future.
Can you imagine what would have happened if their prophecies foretold of the Jews being reasonable for killing God Son. Considering Yahweh's wrathful nature and His reaction to such a thing......They probably would have abandoned their religion.

 

[GodsGrace]

Again the prophecies don't tell of killing Yeshua and he establishing His kingdom thousands of years in the future.
Can you imagine what would have happened if their prophecies foretold of the Jews being reasonable for killing God Son. Considering Yahweh's wrathful nature and His reaction to such a thing......They probably would have abandoned their religion.

So let's clarify....
you believe that when Jesus said: (Matthew 27)
MY GOD, MY GOD, WHY HAVE YOU FORSAKEN ME?

Matthew put it in his gospel to CREATE the prophecy from Psalm 22?

 

[Grailhunter]

But the Messiah WAS human.
And He was also God.
Jesus was both.

He cried - human
He forgave sin - Divine

The Ecumenical Councils tried to define the construct of Yeshua during His ministry. I am not sure if we can. But I suggest that a God walked among us in human form.

 

[Grailhunter]

So let's clarify....
you believe that when Jesus said: (Matthew 27)
MY GOD, MY GOD, WHY HAVE YOU FORSAKEN ME?

Matthew put it in his gospel to CREATE the prophecy from Psalm 22?

No.

 

[GodsGrace]

The Ecumenical Councils tried to define the construct of Yeshua during His ministry. I am not sure if we can. But I suggest that a God walked among us in human form.

We'll have to leave it at this.
But Jesus is not a god.
That would make Him be just like all those other gods the Greeks believed in.
Paul said that he was going to introduct them ot THE GOD.

Acts 17:22-31
22 So Paul stood in the midst of the [a]Areopagus and said, “Men of Athens, I observe that you are very religious in all respects.

23 For while I was passing through and examining the objects of your worship, I also found an altar with this inscription, ‘TO AN UNKNOWN GOD.’ Therefore what you worship in ignorance, this I proclaim to you.

24 The God who made the world and all things in it, since He is Lord of heaven and earth, does not dwell in temples made with hands;

25 nor is He served by human hands, as though He needed anything, since He Himself gives to all people life and breath and all things;

26 and He made from one man every nation of mankind to inhabit all the face of the earth, having determined their appointed times and the boundaries of their habitation,

27 that they would seek God, if perhaps they might grope for Him and find Him, though He is not far from each one of us;

28 for in Him we live and move and [b]exist, as even some of your own poets have said, ‘For we also are His offspring.’

29 Being then the offspring of God, we ought not to suppose that the Divine Nature is like gold or silver or stone, an image formed by the craft and thought of man.

30 Therefore having overlooked the times of ignorance, God is now commanding men that everyone everywhere should repent,

31 because He has fixed a day in which He will judge [c]the world in righteousness [d]through a Man whom He determined, having furnished proof to all [e]by raising Him from the dead.”

 

[HealthyShape]

So let's clarify....
you believe that when Jesus said: (Matthew 27)
MY GOD, MY GOD, WHY HAVE YOU FORSAKEN ME?

Matthew put it in his gospel to CREATE the prophecy from Psalm 22?

If we suppose that Jesus knew Psalm 22, then it is logical to accept that Jesus knew what He was saying and why. Basically quoting the Psalm.

 

[GodsGrace]

No.

Agreed.
Then we have to beieve that they were quoting the OT because they believed Jesus was
fulfilling a prophecy.

 

[Grailhunter]

That would make Him be just like all those other gods the Greeks believed in.

Not at all it just that you believe if He is not God he cannot be God.
God so loved the world that He gave His only Begotten Son. Yeshua is the Son of Yahweh. He will always be the Son of Yahweh and in Heaven sitting on a throne to the right of Yahweh.

 

[Grailhunter]

If we suppose that Jesus knew Psalm 22, then it is logical to accept that Jesus knew what He was saying and why. Basically quoting the Psalm.

Of course Yeshua knew Psalm 22 but Him knowing it does not mean it pertained to Him. On the cross Yeshua was talking to Yahweh. In the garden Yeshua was praying to Yahweh. At His baptism Yahweh was talk about His Son and that He was pleased with Him.

 

[Grailhunter]

Agreed.
Then we have to beieve that they were quoting the OT because they believed Jesus was
fulfilling a prophecy.

Again as I pointed out the most important prophecies did not come true, so they were pointing out what they thought did.

 

[HealthyShape]

Of course Yeshua knew Psalm 22 but Him knowing it does not mean it pertained to Him. On the cross Yeshua was talking to Yahweh. In the garden Yeshua was praying to Yahweh. At His baptism Yahweh was talk about His Son and that He was pleased with Him.

The New Testamend uses terms "Jesus" (in its Greek form, of course) and "God" or "Father". I do not understand why some people try to use Hebraisms. Do you think it is more holier or something?

 

[Grailhunter]

The New Testamend uses terms "Jesus" (in its Greek form, of course) and "God" or "Father". I do not understand why some people try to use Hebraisms. Do you think it is more holier or something?

LOL There is no Greek form for Jesus....the word first appeared in the 17th century.
There is no J's in the scriptures.
The J slam changed the Y's to J's for persons, places, and things.
The Greek word Ἰησοῦς Iésous means healer. It is not a name.
Christ's mother Miriam would not have named Him with a Greek name or word.
Christ's name Yeshua does not appear in the New Testament.
Common name so it appears in Old Testament.
As it is now for our Bibles, God the Father's name has been removed and Yeshua's name does not appear in the New Testament.

 

[HealthyShape]

LOL There is no Greek form for Jesus....the word first appeared in the 17th century.
There is no J's in the scriptures.
The J slam changed the Y's to J's for persons, places, and things.
The Greek word Ἰησοῦς Iésous means healer. It is not a name.
Christ's mother Miriam would not have named Him with a Greek name or word.
Christ's name Yeshua does not appear in the New Testament.
Common name so it appears in Old Testament.
As it is now for our Bibles, God the Father's name has been removed and Yeshua's name does not appear in the New Testament.

Come on... I do not think you really did not understand what I said.

"The Greek word Ἰησοῦς Iésous means healer. It is not a name."
- what kind of nonsense is this? It is Greek form of the name of Jesus, like "Jesus" is the English form.

You did not answer my question, though - Do you think it is more holier to use Hebraisms instead of English?

 

[Grailhunter]

Come on... I do not think you really did not understand what I said.

"The Greek word Ἰησοῦς Iésous means healer. It is not a name."
- what kind of nonsense is this? It is Greek form of the name of Jesus, like "Jesus" is the English form.

LOL

 

[MonoBiblical]

Come on... I do not think you really did not understand what I said.

"The Greek word Ἰησοῦς Iésous means healer. It is not a name."
- what kind of nonsense is this? It is Greek form of the name of Jesus, like "Jesus" is the English form.

It means someone who rescues, or you would prefer saves.

 

[HealthyShape]

LOL

LOL what? Do not be childish and react normally or do not answer at all.

 

[MonoBiblical]

The New Testamend uses terms "Jesus" (in its Greek form, of course) and "God" or "Father". I do not understand why some people try to use Hebraisms. Do you think it is more holier or something?

The use of the word one implies the instance of something doing something in Hebrew and the same in Greek. This is not like English where one does not necessarily imply an action.