Revelation 20:1-15 & the 1,000 years (aka Millennium) Bible Study

[Spiritual Israelite]

The New Jerusalem is not a literal new heaven and earth, but a new and holy governance established on the earth, when Christ and the saints present to Yahweh their God the fulfillment of Numbers 14:21 and Habakkuk 2:14.

The New Jerusalem represents "the bride, the Lamb's wife" (Revelation 21:9). It's a symbolic representation of the church. God's people will dwell in the new heavens and new earth for eternity after the first heavens and the first earth that we dwell on right now pass away (after they are renewed by fire - 2 Peter 3:10-13).

 

[WPM]

If you gave Revelation 21 a go, I am confident you would understand its message; for now, however, the scales remain.

Do you believe in the deity of Christ?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Do you believe in the deity of Christ?

He does not. Look at this post he made last year: Do you believe the lie?

He continued to deny the deity of Christ repeatedly after that.

 

[Hiddenthings]

The New Jerusalem represents "the bride, the Lamb's wife" (Revelation 21:9). It's a symbolic representation of the church. God's people will dwell in the new heavens and new earth for eternity after the first heavens and the first earth that we dwell on right now pass away (after they are renewed by fire - 2 Peter 3:10-13).

Correction - God will become all and in all and He will constitute the New Heaven and Earth Kingdom.

It's not hard once you fully own Deut 32:1

 

[Hiddenthings]

Do you believe in the deity of Christ?

2:8 Be careful not to allow anyone to captivate you through an empty, deceitful philosophy that is according to human traditions and the elemental spirits of the world, and not according to Christ. Col 2:8.

The next verse contains the hidden things in Christ, which you assume to know, but you do not.

 

[Hiddenthings]

A better question is: how was the fullness of deity placed in Christ?

 

[Adventageous]

There are no texts that refer to a third advent.

As I have already shown, yes, there are. Have you read my responses in this thread?

A QUICK LINK thread for Rev. 20:1 is here - Revelation 20:1-15 & the 1,000 years (aka Millennium) Bible Study​

A QUICK LINK - Rev. 20:2 - Revelation 20:1-15 & the 1,000 years (aka Millennium) Bible Study​

A QUICK LINK - Rev. 20:2 - 1000 years - Revelation 20:1-15 & the 1,000 years (aka Millennium) Bible Study​

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A QUICK LINK - Rev. 20:3 continued - Revelation 20:1-15 & the 1,000 years (aka Millennium) Bible Study​

A QUICK LINK - Rev. 20:3 continued - Revelation 20:1-15 & the 1,000 years (aka Millennium) Bible Study​

I have listed them several times.

This is something you have made up in your imagination.

I have no need or desire, of such vain theology, or vain imagination. I have no need, or desire, to make up any doctrine / teaching.

... to be continued ...

 

[Adventageous]

Tell me, what verses do you think refer specifically to a 3rd advent/coming of Christ?

As I have continually stated, what "I" think is irrelevant, only the scriptures matter. I do not ever adhere to "private interpretation" (2 Pet. 1:20 KJB), since it is God within scripture that interprets, as interpretations belong to God (Gen. 40:8 KJB), and I may only "amen' what is written therein.

Jesus comes the first time (2-3 witnesses): (WALKS ON EARTH)

• Psa_40:7 Then said I, Lo, I come: in the volume of the book it is written of me,
• Heb_10:7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.
• Isa_9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
• Jhn. 1:1-18, &c.

Jesus comes the second time (2-3 witnesses): (REMAINS IN AIR; DOES NOT WALK ON EARTH; NEW JERUSALEM DOES NOT COME DOWN TO EARTH HERE; THE SAINTS GO UP WITH JESUS TO IT AND RETURN BACK TO THE FATHER'S HOUSE)

• Luk_10:35 And on the morrow when he departed, he took out two pence, and gave them to the host, and said unto him, Take care of him; and whatsoever thou spendest more, when I come again, I will repay thee.
• Joh_14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.
• Th 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
• 1Th 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
• 1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
• 1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
• Heb_9:28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

Resurrection of Saints (beginning 1000 years):

• Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
• Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
• Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

... to be continued ...

 

[Adventageous]

Tell me, what verses do you think refer specifically to a 3rd advent/coming of Christ?

Jesus comes the third time (2-3 witnesses): (WALKS ON EARTH; NEW JERUSALEM COMES DOWN)

• Zec 14:3 Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.
• Zec 14:4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.
• Zec 14:12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the LORD will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.
• Rev 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
• Rev 20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
• Rev 20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
• Rev 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
• Rev 21:10 And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,

Resurrection of Lost (ending the 1000 years):

• Rev 20:3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
• Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. ...
• Rev 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
• Rev 20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
• Rev 20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
• Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Isa. 24, parallels Zec. 14 and Rev. 20, among other places:

• Isa 24:17 Fear, and the pit, and the snare, are upon thee, O inhabitant of the earth.
• Isa 24:18 And it shall come to pass, that he who fleeth from the noise of the fear shall fall into the pit; and he that cometh up out of the midst of the pit shall be taken in the snare: for the windows from on high are open, and the foundations of the earth do shake.

[Compare Isa. 24:18a's "fall into the pit" of the lost in destruction at the second advent, and the devil being unable to tempt the lost since they are all dead at the 2nd coming, and he has to remain on a desolated earth (a wilderness for 'owls' & 'dragons', see Isa. 34 KJB) for 1000 years)]​

• Hab_3:4 And his brightness was as the light; he had horns coming out of his hand: and there was the hiding of his power.
• 2Th_2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

[Compare Isa. 24:18b's "he that cometh up out of the midst of the pit", to the timing of the ending of the 1000 years (Rev. 20:3,5,7-9 KJB), when the resurrection of the Lost ("nations") in Rev. 20, when "they went up on the breadth of the earth" (Rev. 20:9 KJB), as the earth is the "bottomless pit" in its desolated condition.]​

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[Compare Isa. 24:18c's "shall be taken in the snare: for the windows from on high are open, and the foundations of the earth do shake", to Rev. 20's fiery desrtruction of all the Lost whom have ever lived, in Rev. 20:9's "fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them." and Rev. 20:10's "the lake of fire and brimstone". Just as it was in the days of Noah, the earth breaks apart, fire shoots upward (as water before), and rains down (as water before), and floods the whole earth with lava, fire, brimstone (as water before), and New Jerusalem floats atop as the Ark of Noah with all the '8' (saved, redeemed, resurrected) inside.]​

• Isa 24:19 The earth is utterly broken down, the earth is clean dissolved, the earth is moved exceedingly.

[Compare to all of the previously linked materials about the desolated earth's condition during the 1000 years]​

• Isa 24:20 The earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard, and shall be removed like a cottage; and the transgression thereof shall be heavy upon it; and it shall fall, and not rise again.
• Isa 24:21 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the LORD shall punish the host of the high ones that are on high, and the kings of the earth upon the earth.
• Isa 24:22 And they shall be gathered together, as prisoners are gathered in the pit, and shall be shut up in the prison, and after many days shall they be visited.

[Compare Isa. 24:22a's prisoners of the "pit" to Rev. 20's prisoners and "pit" (Rev. 20:1 KJB) and "bound" (Rev. 20:2 KJB), where they (lost) remain dead for 1000 years (Rev. 20:5a,7-10)]​

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[Compare Isa. 24:22b's "and after many days", to the "one thousand years" (Rev. 20:1-7 KJB), and especially the word "after", with the words "until" (Rev. 20:5a), "expired" (Rev. 20:7).]​

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[Compare Isa. 24:22c's "shall they be visited", to that third advent (texts cited, already), when Jesus Christ, along with New Jerusalem return to the earth from the Father's house, for the resurrection of the lost to face executive judgment, along with the devil and his fallen ones. They are not "visited" during the 1000 years, but only afterwards, when the temporary bonds / prison of the grave / 1st death will be opened unto them, and they are resurrected and "went up" upon the surface of the earth.]​

No text of scripture says that New Jerusalem comes down at the 2nd advent. Not one. No text of scripture states that Jesus at the second advent comes down to touch / walk on the earth. Not one. However, there are texts which state that the saints go "up" to meet Jesus "in the air" and that God would "bring" them back with Jesus, while the earth suffers judgment, the lost are slain and satan and his ilk remain in darkness to consider their choices and consequences.

I was not implying that only one verse proves no third advent/coming. I just quoted that one to show He is coming a second time. He is not coming a third time. Scripture never teaches that. And you are completely incapable of showing otherwise.

I understood why you quoted it. I already agree with it, as stated. It is not in question. As I have just shown, Jesus is indeed coming the third time. Scripture just taught it above (underlined, etc). I was most capable by God's grace.

 

[WPM]

2:8 Be careful not to allow anyone to captivate you through an empty, deceitful philosophy that is according to human traditions and the elemental spirits of the world, and not according to Christ. Col 2:8.

The next verse contains the hidden things in Christ, which you assume to know, but you do not.

Stop avoiding! What have you to hide?

 

[ewq1938]

No text of scripture states that Jesus at the second advent comes down to touch / walk on the earth. Not one.

Was he standing on the Earth when he ascended back to heaven?

 

[Hiddenthings]

Jesus comes the third time (2-3 witnesses): (WALKS ON EARTH; NEW JERUSALEM COMES DOWN)

• Zec 14:3 Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.
• Zec 14:4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.
• Zec 14:12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the LORD will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

No text of scripture says that New Jerusalem comes down at the 2nd advent. Not one. No text of scripture states that Jesus at the second advent comes down to touch / walk on the earth. Not one. However, there are texts which state that the saints go "up" to meet Jesus "in the air" and that God would "bring" them back with Jesus, while the earth suffers judgment, the lost are slain and satan and his ilk remain in darkness to consider their choices and consequences.

Zechariahs vision begins with a dark picture of siege, spoil, violence, and bloodshed, but it concludes with a glorious vista of triumph and victory, as Yahweh’s power is acknowledged throughout the earth. A remarkable victory outside Jerusalem, accompanied by tremendous upheavals in nature, ushers in a transformed world, unified by a common name, a common worship, and a common ideal. These provide the foundation for the glorious millennial reign of Christ.

Jerusalem, in which a Temple more glorious than that of Zerubbabel is established, becomes the center of this new order. To it the nations ascend in worship, and there they behold a dedicated city wholly given over to Yahweh. As a result, HOLINESS TO YAHWEH, the inscription once borne on the gold plate of the high priest (Exod. 28:36) is stamped upon all its institutions, while from its precincts the Canaanite is excluded.

In this magnificent vision of the future, Zechariah was shown the ultimate outcome of all his labors. Though the Temple the Jews were then building would be overthrown; though the nation then being formed would again be scattered; though the enemy would temporarily prevail they could continue their work in hope, with the sure and certain conviction that Yahweh’s purpose would ultimately be fulfilled. His glory would flood the earth as the waters cover the sea.

The glorious consummation revealed in the final chapter of Zechariah’s prophecy is nothing less than the fulfillment of the gospel preached to faithful Abraham:

“In you shall all nations be blessed” (Gen. 12:3; cf. Gal. 3:8).

It's interesting you missed verse 7!

Zech 14:7 describes a unique day, Yahweh’s own day a time when He will be vindicated before all flesh and His purpose in creation will be brought toward fulfillment. That purpose will not be fully consummated until the close of the thousand-year reign of Christ (1 Cor 15:28), but during this era Yahweh will be honored and glorified throughout the earth.

“And it shall be in that day, there shall be no brightness; the splendid ones drawing in. And it shall be one day known to Yahweh, neither day nor night; but it shall come to pass, that at evening time there shall be light.”

The Revised Version supports this by translating the phrase as “the bright ones shall contract themselves.” The “bright ones” are the glorified followers of the Lord. They will then be “equal unto the angels” (Luke 20:36), capable of shining forth in glory as the angels did at the Lord’s sepulchre (Matt. 28:3), yet also able to restrain or “contract” that glory, just as the angels did when they appeared to Abraham as men (Gen. 18).

Ultimately, the glorified saints will “shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father” (Matt. 13:43), though they will retain the ability to veil that glory when necessary.

The “day of Yahweh” spoken of here is the millennial day, one thousand years in length (2 Pet 3:8; Rev 20:4). It will not be characterized by ordinary cycles of day and night, but by the constant shining of the Sun of righteousness (Mal. 4), whose glory will never fade.

The phrase “at evening time it shall be light” indicates that the full manifestation of glory occurs at the beginning of this epoch (2nd Heaven and Earth Period). In biblical reckoning, a day begins with the evening, “the evening and the morning were the first day” (Gen. 1:5). Thus, at the opening of the millennium, the saints will shine forth in the fullness of glory. Prior to this, during the period in which the nations are being subdued they will restrain that glory.

Prophecy suggests that a Jubilee period of approximately fifty years will intervene between the return of Christ and the formal commencement of the thousand years of peace (Rev. 20:6). This will be a time of judgment: first upon the household of faith (1 Pet. 4:17), and then, through the administration of the saints, upon the world (Ps. 149:7–9).

During this transitional era, the Kingdom of God will be established as a “stone” that grows into a mountain filling the whole earth (Dan. 2:35). The millennial Temple will be constructed (Isa. 60:10), and Israel will be restored in fullness (Mic. 7:15).

Following this period comes the true “evening” the inauguration of the millennium when the Lord Jesus and his glorified followers will enter the completed Temple in a formal ceremony (Ezek 43:1–2), filling it with divine glory. Until that time, the saints will restrain the outward display of their glory and appear as ordinary men, just as angels once did to Abraham, Lot, and the inhabitants of Sodom.

Once judgment is complete, such restraint will no longer be necessary, and their full glory will be openly revealed. Ezekiel describes how the glory will enter from the east and fill the Temple at its inauguration (Ezek. 43:4).

 

[Hiddenthings]

Stop avoiding! What have you to hide?

A better question is: how was the fullness of deity placed in Christ?

 

[Adventageous]

Was he standing on the Earth when he ascended back to heaven?

At Jesus' 1st advent, on the 40th day (10 days before Pentecost) from the resurrection, Jesus was still standing on the earth.
[1a] Standing on earth and [1b] Ascending (going up) are two different things, two different phases in a single natural day, just as at the 2nd and 3rd advent in a chiastic reversal, that takes place in a greater spiritual "day" (the day of the LORD, which is 1000 years long, the final 7,000th year). It looks like this, and unbreakable (Jhn. 10:35 KJB):

Natural Day (1st Advent) (first the natural ... 1 Cor. 15:46 KJB)

• Phase 1A - Jesus standing on earth (across from old Jerussalem), at Mt. Olivet on the east (Act. 1:12 KJB)
  • middle phase, saints names written in Heaven
• Phase 1B - Jesus ascended to heaven (3rd, a place) and was "taken" "up", "into heaven", "a cloud received him out of their sight"

Spiritual Greater "Day of the LORD" (2nd & 3rd Advents, 1000 years apart) (then the spiritual ... 1 Cor. 15:46 KJB)

• Phase 2A (corresponding to 1B) (beginning 1000 years)- Jesus descends to earth (not land / dirt, but world / planet as a whole) from heaven (3rd, a place), and remains "in the air", in which the saints are "caught up" to Him there, "in the clouds", and God (the Father) shall "bring [them] with him [Jesus]" back to the Father's house (Jhn. 14:1-4 KJB)
  • middle phase, saints actually in heaven
• Phase 2B (corresponding to 1A) (ending 1000 years) - Jesus, along with the saints all descend from heaven (3rd) back to earth (world) and this time to the land / dirt, at Mt. Olivet (Zec. 14; Rev. 20; Isa. 24) on the east, along with New Jerusalem, thus standing on the earth once more, at the end of the greater "day with the LORD" (Psa. 84:10, 90:4; 2 Pet. 3:8, &c. KJB).

• 1Co 15:46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
• Psa 84:10 For a day in thy courts is better than a thousand. I had rather be a doorkeeper in the house of my God, than to dwell in the tents of wickedness.
• Psa 90:4 For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night.
• 2Pe 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
• Rev. 20:1-7 "thousand years";
• Isa 24:22, "many days". Jesus makes mention of this "last day" (Jhn. 6:39-40,44,54, 11:24, 12:48 KJB). This is why the other apostles could speak (2000 years ago) that they were already in the "last days" (Act. 2:17; 2 Tim. 3:1; Heb. 1:2; Jam. 5:3; 2 Pet. 3:3 KJB), as it was 4 'days' (4000 years) since creation / fall of man to Jesus (est.), and from Jesus is the last 2-3 days of the great cosmic week with God (2000 years to modern day (making 6000 years est.)), and the final 1000 years (7000th years) with Jesus in Heaven, the Great Millennial Sabbath).

Notice what Acts says:​

• Act 1:9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.
• Act 1:10 And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel;
• Act 1:11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.

["as ye have seen him go", go? Go where? "Up", "into heaven", "a cloud received him out of their sight", their? who is "their", those persons standing on earth. Thus, as Jesus left (no longer standing on earth), Jesus comes in like manner "in the air", "caught up", "in the clouds" (1 Thes. 4:16-17 KJB). So, as Jesus left earth and went to the 3rd Heaven, the saints will also leave at the 2nd advent with Jesus back to the 3rd Heaven (Jhn. 14:1-4; 1 Thes. 4:14; Psa. 24:1-10 KJB).​

• Joh 14:1 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.
• Joh 14:2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
• Joh 14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also. (Where is Jesus explicity stated, by scripture, to be, in 1 Thes. 4:16-17 KJB when He comes again?)
• Joh 14:4 And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know.
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• 1Th 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
• 1Th 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
• 1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
• 1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

The chiasm is sealed perfectly. No man may alter it, as what God does it is forever.​

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Notice in both Zec. 14 and Rev. 20 that New Jerusalem does not appear on earth until after the 1000 years, when the total annihilation of the lost takes place, and a New Heaven and New Earth are created over their ashes:​

• Zec 14:3 Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.
• Zec 14:4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.
• Zec 14:12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the LORD will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.
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• Rev 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
• Rev 20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
• Rev 20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
• Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
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• Rev 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
• Rev 21:10 And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,

In Rev. 20, New Jerusalem is not seen on earth at any time, until after "the thousand years are expired". In Rev. 21, the New Jerusalem descends, in a reversal of chiasm (as there are no real chapter breaks in scipture), descends before the New Heavens and Earth are created, since in Rev. 20 it is already on earth after the 1000 years, before the New heavens and Earth are created.

 

[jeffweeder]

A better question is: how was the fullness of deity placed in Christ?

That is who he was.

Phill 2
5 Have this same attitude in yourselves which was in Christ Jesus [look to Him as your example in selfless humility], 6 who, although He existed in the form and unchanging essence of God [as One with Him, possessing the fullness of all the divine attributes—the entire nature of deity], did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped or asserted [as if He did not already possess it, or was afraid of losing it]; 7 but emptied Himself [without renouncing or diminishing His deity, but only temporarily giving up the outward expression of divine equality and His rightful dignity] by assuming the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men [He became completely human but was without sin, being fully God and fully man].


It appears you assume a lot without knowing who he is and what God has personally done for you.

 

[ewq1938]

At Jesus' 1st advent, on the 40th day (10 days before Pentecost) from the resurrection, Jesus was still standing on the earth.

Yes he was so when he returns he would also end up standing on the Earth.

Act 1:11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.


The first coming was from heaven to Earth, and he stood upon it and so the second coming is likewise.

 

[Davidpt]

Really? That explains things. He is apostate. He is blind.

What is his cult?

When I first found out about Jesus I had zero clue He was God. Never even crossed my mind for decades. Does that mean I knew about Him in vain? Granted, I now realize He is God, but initially I didn't. Initially I wasn't denying He was God. I just didn't put 2 and 2 together at the time. Therefore, I wasn't disputing anything since I had nothing to dispute, the fact I was unaware of Christ's deity at the time. I wonder if the thief on the cross comprehended He was God? Because if he didn't, how is it that some can trust in Jesus without comprehending He is God, but that others can't? These others are part of a cult? So on and so on.

Maybe we should leave all the judging to God? Let Him sort that out, not any of us. Sure, I like to debate with others in regards to Christ's deity. But what I don't do is condemn anyone based on that they deny Christ's deity.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Correction - God will become all and in all and He will constitute the New Heaven and Earth Kingdom.

It's not hard once you fully own Deut 32:1

You're not getting the memo. No one cares what you think and no one should trust anything you say. You deny the deity of Christ despite that being clearly taught in scripture in various passages. You have no discernment whatsoever and that's why you can't differentiate between literal and symbolic text. I do not take you seriously. Period. I'm moving on from you.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

When I first found out about Jesus I had zero clue He was God. Never even crossed my mind for decades.

So, you never read Isaiah 9:6, John 1, John 8:58, John 10:30, John 20:28, Colossians 1:16-17, Colossians 2:9, Titus 2:13, Hebrews 1:8, 2 Peter 1:1, Revelation 1:7-9, etc. for decades after first finding out about Jesus?

Does that mean I knew about Him in vain? Granted, I now realize He is God, but initially I didn't. Initially I wasn't denying He was God. I just didn't put 2 and 2 together at the time. Therefore, I wasn't disputing anything since I had nothing to dispute, the fact I was unaware of Christ's deity at the time. I wonder if the thief on the cross comprehended He was God? Because if he didn't, how is it that some can trust in Jesus without comprehending He is God, but that others can't? These others are part of a cult? So on and so on.

Maybe we should leave all the judging to God? Let Him sort that out, not any of us. Sure, I like to debate with others in regards to Christ's deity. But what I don't do is condemn anyone based on that they deny Christ's deity.

Looks like you're trying to make excuses for him. It's one thing to not be familiar with the scriptures that say He is God and then come to understand that later when you read those scriptures. But, he knows those scriptures and still denies that Jesus is God. That says a lot about who he is and what he believes. How you can't discern that is just mind boggling to me. What other scriptures does he not accept? Is it the mark of a Christian to pick and choose which scriptures to accept and which to discard or ignore? I don't believe so.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Jesus comes the third time (2-3 witnesses): (WALKS ON EARTH; NEW JERUSALEM COMES DOWN)

• Zec 14:3 Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.
• Zec 14:4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.
• Zec 14:12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the LORD will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.
• Rev 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
• Rev 20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
• Rev 20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
• Rev 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
• Rev 21:10 And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,

Resurrection of Lost (ending the 1000 years):

• Rev 20:3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
• Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. ...
• Rev 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
• Rev 20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
• Rev 20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
• Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Isa. 24, parallels Zec. 14 and Rev. 20, among other places:

• Isa 24:17 Fear, and the pit, and the snare, are upon thee, O inhabitant of the earth.
• Isa 24:18 And it shall come to pass, that he who fleeth from the noise of the fear shall fall into the pit; and he that cometh up out of the midst of the pit shall be taken in the snare: for the windows from on high are open, and the foundations of the earth do shake.

[Compare Isa. 24:18a's "fall into the pit" of the lost in destruction at the second advent, and the devil being unable to tempt the lost since they are all dead at the 2nd coming, and he has to remain on a desolated earth (a wilderness for 'owls' & 'dragons', see Isa. 34 KJB) for 1000 years)]​

• Hab_3:4 And his brightness was as the light; he had horns coming out of his hand: and there was the hiding of his power.
• 2Th_2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

[Compare Isa. 24:18b's "he that cometh up out of the midst of the pit", to the timing of the ending of the 1000 years (Rev. 20:3,5,7-9 KJB), when the resurrection of the Lost ("nations") in Rev. 20, when "they went up on the breadth of the earth" (Rev. 20:9 KJB), as the earth is the "bottomless pit" in its desolated condition.]​

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[Compare Isa. 24:18c's "shall be taken in the snare: for the windows from on high are open, and the foundations of the earth do shake", to Rev. 20's fiery desrtruction of all the Lost whom have ever lived, in Rev. 20:9's "fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them." and Rev. 20:10's "the lake of fire and brimstone". Just as it was in the days of Noah, the earth breaks apart, fire shoots upward (as water before), and rains down (as water before), and floods the whole earth with lava, fire, brimstone (as water before), and New Jerusalem floats atop as the Ark of Noah with all the '8' (saved, redeemed, resurrected) inside.]​

• Isa 24:19 The earth is utterly broken down, the earth is clean dissolved, the earth is moved exceedingly.

[Compare to all of the previously linked materials about the desolated earth's condition during the 1000 years]​

• Isa 24:20 The earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard, and shall be removed like a cottage; and the transgression thereof shall be heavy upon it; and it shall fall, and not rise again.
• Isa 24:21 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the LORD shall punish the host of the high ones that are on high, and the kings of the earth upon the earth.
• Isa 24:22 And they shall be gathered together, as prisoners are gathered in the pit, and shall be shut up in the prison, and after many days shall they be visited.

[Compare Isa. 24:22a's prisoners of the "pit" to Rev. 20's prisoners and "pit" (Rev. 20:1 KJB) and "bound" (Rev. 20:2 KJB), where they (lost) remain dead for 1000 years (Rev. 20:5a,7-10)]​

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[Compare Isa. 24:22b's "and after many days", to the "one thousand years" (Rev. 20:1-7 KJB), and especially the word "after", with the words "until" (Rev. 20:5a), "expired" (Rev. 20:7).]​

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[Compare Isa. 24:22c's "shall they be visited", to that third advent (texts cited, already), when Jesus Christ, along with New Jerusalem return to the earth from the Father's house, for the resurrection of the lost to face executive judgment, along with the devil and his fallen ones. They are not "visited" during the 1000 years, but only afterwards, when the temporary bonds / prison of the grave / 1st death will be opened unto them, and they are resurrected and "went up" upon the surface of the earth.]​

No text of scripture says that New Jerusalem comes down at the 2nd advent. Not one. No text of scripture states that Jesus at the second advent comes down to touch / walk on the earth. Not one. However, there are texts which state that the saints go "up" to meet Jesus "in the air" and that God would "bring" them back with Jesus, while the earth suffers judgment, the lost are slain and satan and his ilk remain in darkness to consider their choices and consequences.


I understood why you quoted it. I already agree with it, as stated. It is not in question. As I have just shown, Jesus is indeed coming the third time. Scripture just taught it above (underlined, etc). I was most capable by God's grace.

So, this proves that you just made the third advent/coming of Christ up since none of those scriptures say anything about a third coming of Christ. Peter made it clear that when He comes again (His second and only future coming), He will be dissolving the heavens and the elements and burning up the earth. He will be renewing the heavens and the earth when He comes the second time, resulting in the eternal new heavens and new earth where His people will dwell for eternity. As Peter said in 2 Peter 3:13, we, according to the promise of His second coming, look for new heavens and a new earth where righteousness dwells. There would be no basis for Him to come a third time because all of His people from all time will be with Him at that point. You are mistaken.