I SEE TWO CHURCHES IN ACTS 15

[Doug]

There is only One Body of Christ = it Begins in Genesis chapter 1

I will ask you what I asked others who say there is just one church

As far as there being one church please answer these questions:

If there is one true church then the teachings of Jesus and the twelve and Paul are all for us.

[Matthew 28:19 KJV] "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:"
[Matthew 28:20 KJV] "Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, [even] unto the end of the world. Amen."............the twelve were to teach the nations to observe ALL things he commanded them. The teachings of Jesus and the twelve are one and the same.

If there is only one true church then the teachings of Jesus and the twelve apply to us. If this is so then some verses need to be addressed.

[Luke 12:33 KJV] "Sell that ye have, and give alms; provide yourselves bags which wax not old, a treasure in the heavens that faileth not, where no thief approacheth, neither moth corrupteth."..........This verse would apply to whoever says there is one church. If there is one church then this command from Christ applies because ALL teachings and commands do. HAVE YOU SOLD ALL, IF NOT, WHY DOESNT THIS APPLY TO YOU?

[Matthew 24:14 KJV] "And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come."...........are you preaching the gospel of the kingdom? Are you preaching the prophetic kingdom on earth is at hand? Jesus preached the gospel of the kingdom and commanded the twelve to preach it. The gospel was the prophetic Davidic kingdom on earth in which believing Israel will reign with Christ for a thousand years was at hand. It demanded repentance and water baptism. This command applies if there is one true church. ARE YOU PRECHING THE GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM?

[Acts 2:38 KJV] "Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost."..........If there is one true church then this command applies. To have sins forgiven (remitted) water baptism is required, otherwise sins aren't washed away. DID YOU GET WATER BAPTIZED? IF SO DID YOU ACKNOWLEDGE IT WAS TO WASH AWY YOUR SINS?

[Matthew 6:14 KJV] "For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:"
[Matthew 6:15 KJV] "But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses."........This teaching applies to the one true church. Ones sins can't be forgiven unless one forgives others. THIS COMMAND CAUSES A DILEMMA. The one true church requires us to apply all the teachings of Jesus and the twelve, but Paul is an apostle in the one church as well and his teachings and commands apply as well. Paul teaches we are forgiven ALL trespasses..........[Colossians 2:13 KJV] "And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;"...........How do you reconcile this?. The twelve would have to teach we need to forgive to be forgiven. Paul teaches we have all forgiveness. Who's teaching on this do we follow? The way to reconcile this is to acknowledge there are two churches with different commands and teachings.
WHOSE TEACHING ON FORGIVENESS SHOULD YOU FOLLOW? DO YOU FOLLOW JESUS AND BELIEVE YOU MUST FORGIVE TO BE FOREGIVEN OR PAUL WHO SAYS YOU HAVE ALL FOREGIVENESS?

I only gave a few scriptures as examples, but all of the teachings of Jesus, the twelve, and Paul would require application if there were only one church.

 

[Doug]

This is why you should refraqin from trying to teach believers on this forum. Your inability to understand basic writing and the rules of understanding writing is dangerous!

If you cannot tell the difference between instructions given to the twelve or the seventy versus what was taught to teh crowds, you need to learn this first before you try to teach people your dark truths.

Wait a minute! Didnt Jesus say to the disciples to teach ALL he commanded them? You cant just limit his teachings and ALL the apostles to what he said to the multitudes................[Matthew 28:20 KJV] "Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, [even] unto the end of the world. Amen."............Teaching ALL things

Care to answer these?
As far as there being one church please answer these questions:

If there is one true church then the teachings of Jesus and the twelve and Paul are all for us.

[Matthew 28:19 KJV] "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:"
[Matthew 28:20 KJV] "Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, [even] unto the end of the world. Amen."............the twelve were to teach the nations to observe ALL things he commanded them. The teachings of Jesus and the twelve are one and the same.

If there is only one true church then the teachings of Jesus and the twelve apply to us. If this is so then some verses need to be addressed.

[Luke 12:33 KJV] "Sell that ye have, and give alms; provide yourselves bags which wax not old, a treasure in the heavens that faileth not, where no thief approacheth, neither moth corrupteth."..........This verse would apply to whoever says there is one church. If there is one church then this command from Christ applies because ALL teachings and commands do. HAVE YOU SOLD ALL, IF NOT, WHY DOESNT THIS APPLY TO YOU?

[Matthew 24:14 KJV] "And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come."...........are you preaching the gospel of the kingdom? Are you preaching the prophetic kingdom on earth is at hand? Jesus preached the gospel of the kingdom and commanded the twelve to preach it. The gospel was the prophetic Davidic kingdom on earth in which believing Israel will reign with Christ for a thousand years was at hand. It demanded repentance and water baptism. This command applies if there is one true church. ARE YOU PRECHING THE GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM?

[Acts 2:38 KJV] "Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost."..........If there is one true church then this command applies. To have sins forgiven (remitted) water baptism is required, otherwise sins aren't washed away. DID YOU GET WATER BAPTIZED? IF SO DID YOU ACKNOWLEDGE IT WAS TO WASH AWY YOUR SINS?

[Matthew 6:14 KJV] "For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:"
[Matthew 6:15 KJV] "But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses."........This teaching applies to the one true church. Ones sins can't be forgiven unless one forgives others. THIS COMMAND CAUSES A DILEMMA. The one true church requires us to apply all the teachings of Jesus and the twelve, but Paul is an apostle in the one church as well and his teachings and commands apply as well. Paul teaches we are forgiven ALL trespasses..........[Colossians 2:13 KJV] "And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;"...........How do you reconcile this?. The twelve would have to teach we need to forgive to be forgiven. Paul teaches we have all forgiveness. Who's teaching on this do we follow? The way to reconcile this is to acknowledge there are two churches with different commands and teachings.
WHOSE TEACHING ON FORGIVENESS SHOULD YOU FOLLOW? DO YOU FOLLOW JESUS AND BELIEVE YOU MUST FORGIVE TO BE FOREGIVEN OR PAUL WHO SAYS YOU HAVE ALL FOREGIVENESS?

I only gave a few scriptures as examples, but all of the teachings of Jesus, the twelve, and Paul would require application if there were only one church.

 

[LoveYeshua]

I contend that Acts 15 revels that there was indeed two churches. There was the little flock Jerusalem church and the body of Christ that, for a time, existed together.

[Acts 11:19 KJV] "Now they which were scattered abroad upon the persecution that arose about Stephen travelled as far as Phenice, and Cyprus, and Antioch, preaching the word to none but unto the Jews only.".........No Gentiles were being preached to. We have to be careful in assuming which church is being referred to in Galatians 2 and Acts 15. There were churches in Antioch before Paul was saved. Paul persecuted the little flock Jerusalem church and they were scattered as far as Antioch. These churches were not body of Christ churches, they were the little flock Jerusalem churches.

[Acts 15:1 KJV] "And certain men which came down from Judaea taught the brethren, [and said], Except ye be circumcised after the manner of Moses, ye cannot be saved.".........If they came down from Judea, chances are these men who said the Gentile believers had to be circumcised were not from the body of Christ, but from the little flock church (I will explain). ........ [Acts 15:2 KJV] "When therefore Paul and Barnabas had no small dissension and disputation with them, they determined that Paul and Barnabas, and certain other of them, should go up to Jerusalem unto the apostles and elders about this question.".........Paul and Barnabas disputed with the men from Judea, not with the body of Christ members. It was decided that Paul and Barnabas and some of "them" from Judea should go to Jerusalem about this matter. If Paul was going to the apostles and elders, these apostles and elders were from the little flock Jerusalem church.

Paul could not have been disputing about matters within his ministry, but was dealing with stipulations being imposed on Gentile believers by some of the believing circumcision little flock..........[Galatians 1:22 KJV] "And was unknown by face unto the churches of Judaea which were in Christ:".........Paul says the churches of Judea were in Christ; the Jews in the little flock who believed on the name of Christ were in Christ, not just those in the body of Christ. ........Paul was unknown to the churches of Judea who only knew he persecuted them. That is why I said that those who came down from Judea weren't in the body of Christ, the churches of Judea didn't know Paul..........[Galatians 1:23 KJV] "But they had heard only, That he which persecuted us in times past now preacheth the faith which once he destroyed.".......It is very doubtful that those from Judea were in the body of Christ.

[Acts 15:22 KJV] "Then pleased it the apostles and elders, with the whole church, to send chosen men of their own company to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas; [namely], Judas surnamed Barsabas, and Silas, chief men among the brethren:".........When James says they would send men from their OWN company that precludes them from being members of the body of Christ. The apostle and elders sent chosen men of their own company which is those of the little flock, NOT of the body of Christ along with Paul and Barnabas. This wasn't done by Paul alone.
[Acts 15:23 KJV] "And they wrote [letters] by them after this manner; The apostles and elders and brethren [send] greeting unto the brethren which are of the Gentiles in Antioch and Syria and Cilicia:"
[Acts 15:24 KJV] "Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, [Ye must] be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no [such] commandment:".......It is certain that those who said the Gentiles had to keep the law of Moses were from the little flock churches and not the body of Christ members. The apostles and elders of the little flock did not command anybody to go to the Gentiles and say they had to keep the law.
[Acts 15:25 KJV] "It seemed good unto us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men unto you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul,"........They sent believing little flock members WITH Paul and Barnabas. There was the little flock and the body of Christ in view here.
No doubt there were two churches here and saying there was just one church is incorrect.

The little flock church are those who believed the preaching of Jesus and the twelve. They believed only on the name of Jesus, that he was Christ, the Son of God, and had life by his name. They were persecuted and scattered under Paul. They were still in existence during the conversion and some of the ministry of Paul. The elders and apostles from the little flock church met with Paul in the Jerusalem council in Acts 15. The dispute arose from the little flock saying that Gentiles would have to follow the law of Moses. The little flock were the ones who disputed with Paul. This question would have impacted Paul and the church who were preaching liberty in Christ and that Gentiles weren't under the law.

This entire theory falls apart the moment you look carefully at Scripture itself. There is not a single verse in Acts 15 or Galatians that divides believers into “little flock” vs “body of Christ” churches. That’s a reading imposed on the text, not found in it.

Acts 11:19 doesn’t limit the gospel to Jews forever – Yes, the early believers first preached to Jews, but that was simply the historical starting point, not a permanent separation of churches. When the Gentiles in Antioch received the word (Acts 11:20–21), the church grew and included Gentiles. That’s the very beginning of the “body of Christ” including both Jews and Gentiles, exactly as God intended.​

Acts 15 isn’t about two separate churches – The controversy was over whether Gentiles needed circumcision. Paul and Barnabas argued with certain individuals from Judea, but the apostles and elders in Jerusalem (including James, Peter, and John) represented the entire church, not a separate “little flock.” Acts 15:22–23 makes it clear that the letter was sent from the apostles and elders to Gentile believers, settling the issue for the whole church. There is no “parallel little flock church” in Scripture.​

Galatians 1:22–23 doesn’t support separation – Paul says he was unknown by face to the churches in Judea, but they had heard of his conversion. This only shows he had not visited them personally before, not that they were a separate “body of Christ” versus “little flock.” Scripture never distinguishes two kinds of believers in this way.​

The “chosen men of their own company” (Acts 15:22) – This doesn’t imply a different church. It simply means the apostles and elders sent representatives from their group along with Paul and Barnabas. This is normal administrative practice; it does not create two churches.​

Scripture consistently presents one unified church, made up of both Jewish and Gentile believers in Christ. Acts 15 shows the church solving a dispute over the Law, not two parallel churches. Dividing the church into “little flock” vs “body of Christ” is reading extra layers into the text that aren’t there. Paul himself always treats the Jerusalem apostles as part of the same church he ministers to.

 

[bdavidc]

@Doug, the problem is not that Scripture creates two churches. The problem is that you are forcing a false dilemma by refusing to distinguish audience, timing, and purpose while still affirming one body. Scripture does that without inventing parallel churches.

First, Acts 15 does not show two churches operating side by side. It shows one church resolving a doctrinal crisis. If there were two churches with two rulebooks, there would have been no dispute. Paul would not have gone to Jerusalem at all. Yet Luke records that Paul and Barnabas went to the apostles and elders because the question threatened the unity of the body. The conclusion was not “you Gentiles are a different church,” but “we gave no such commandment” and Gentiles are not under the law. That is correction, not coexistence of systems.

Second, Galatians 1:13 does not prove two churches. Paul says he persecuted “the church of God.” Singular. He does not say “a different church.” He says the same church existed before his conversion and continued after. Growth in revelation does not equal a new organism. The body was revealed progressively, but it was never duplicated.

Third, your appeal to Peter’s silence about “one body” proves nothing. Peter explicitly affirms unity when he says God put “no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith” ~Acts 15:9, and again, “we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they” ~Acts 15:11. Same salvation, same grace, same people of God. One body by definition.

Now to your repeated objections.

Luke 12:33 and Acts 2 describe a specific historical situation, not a salvation requirement. Even within Acts, that practice was not universal or permanent. Peter still owned a house ~Acts 12:12, believers met in homes, and Paul never commands communal selling. Scripture itself shows the practice was situational, not defining a different church.

Matthew 24:14 is not a different gospel. Jesus Himself later defined the message as “repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations” ~Luke 24:47. Paul preached the same Christ crucified and risen ~1 Corinthians 15:1–4. Same Person, same work, same salvation. Different emphasis does not equal different gospel.

Acts 2:38 is not a second way of salvation. Peter interprets himself. In Acts 10:43 he says remission of sins comes through believing in Christ. In Acts 15 he says hearts are purified by faith. Baptism follows repentance. It does not replace faith, and Peter never teaches forgiveness without faith.

Matthew 6:14–15 does not contradict Colossians 2:13. Jesus is addressing relational forgiveness among disciples, not the legal basis of justification. Scripture already settled justification at the cross. Jesus Himself forgave while dying ~Luke 23:34. Paul explains the completed judicial forgiveness accomplished in Christ. Different contexts, same truth.

Here is the line you refuse to cross: one body means one church. Scripture says it plainly. “There is one body, and one Spirit” ~Ephesians 4:4. “By one Spirit are we all baptized into one body” ~1 Corinthians 12:13. “To make in himself of twain one new man” ~Ephesians 2:15. You cannot affirm those verses and still defend two churches without contradiction.

You keep saying you agree there is one Head, yet your framework requires two administrations operating at the same time with different obligations. Scripture never teaches that. It teaches unity with maturity, continuity with clarity, and progressive revelation without division.

This has already been answered from Scripture. Repeating the same questions does not strengthen your position. It only exposes that your system requires Scripture to say what it never says.

Christ has one body. One people. One salvation. One Head. The Word of God settles the matter.

 

[GRACE ambassador]

This entire theory falls apart the moment you look carefully at Scripture itself.

The Word of God settles the matter.

Precious friends, yes, we believe so, but the caveat is:

God's Precious Word Of Truth Must Be prayerfully / Carefully Rightly
Divided - ie.:

I have decided to follow Jesus? ​

So far, 2 responses have been given to this link: 1) Off-topic about Pontius Pilate, and 2) a general "live life and study" recommendation, Neither one addressing Exactly "Which Commandments Of God" we are to be
following...

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And, precious friend(s), Please Be Very Richly Encouraged and Edified
In The Lord Jesus Christ and In His Precious Word Of Truth, Rightly
Divided:

The Bible: The BIG Picture

Amen.

 

[David in NJ]

Just us No one else?

Anyone who says there is more then One Church/Body of Christ.

You and @GRACE ambassador spend a lot of your time trying to establish the heresy of "two gospels & two churches"

 

[Lambano]

"And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come."

I have a better question: What if the Kingdom of God isn't what you think it is, or what Jesus's contemporaries thought it was?

 

[LoveYeshua]

Anyone who says there is more then One Church/Body of Christ.

You and @GRACE ambassador spend a lot of your time trying to establish the heresy of "two gospels & two churches"

Paul confirms Ephesians 4:4–6 ASV

“There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye were called in one hope of your calling; one Lord, one faith, one baptism, one God and Father of all, who is over all, and through all, and in all.”

 

[David in NJ]

I have a better question: What if the Kingdom of God isn't what you think it is, or what Jesus's contemporaries thought it was?

Paul confirms Ephesians 4:4–6 ASV

“There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye were called in one hope of your calling; one Lord, one faith, one baptism, one God and Father of all, who is over all, and through all, and in all.”

Why are 'mature'(?) adults so confused and/or obstinate against simple TRUTH that a child can understand..................!!!

This is God's words(Eph ch4), empowered and brought to us by the Holy Spirit................get a grip already on TRUTH and keep it in your heart.

@Doug @GRACE ambassador

 

[Doug]

There is not a single verse in Acts 15 or Galatians that divides believers into “little flock” vs “body of Christ” churches. That’s a reading imposed on the text, not found in it.

[Acts 15:22 KJV] "Then pleased it the apostles and elders, with the whole church, to send chosen men of their own company to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas; [namely], Judas surnamed Barsabas, and Silas, chief men among the brethren:"

The apostles and elders were from the ;itt;e f;ock church

 

[Doug]

(Acts 11:20–21), the church grew and included Gentiles. That’s the very beginning of the “body of Christ” including both Jews and Gentiles,

[Acts 11:20 KJV] "And some of them were men of Cyprus and Cyrene, which, when they were come to Antioch, spake unto the Grecians, preaching the Lord Jesus."
[Acts 11:21 KJV] "And the hand of the Lord was with them: and a great number believed, and turned unto the Lord."

The body of Christ didnt begin here. Grecians are Jews not Gentiles

Strongs

1. used in the NT of Jews born in foreign lands and speaking Greek

 

[Doug]

Galatians 1:22–23 doesn’t support separation – Paul says he was unknown by face to the churches in Judea, but they had heard of his conversion. This only shows he had not visited them personally before,

[Galatians 1:22 KJV] "And was unknown by face unto the churches of Judaea which were in Christ:"
[Galatians 1:23 KJV] "But they had heard only, That he which persecuted us in times past now preacheth the faith which once he destroyed."
This does indeed prove there is a little flock church.
They were churches.
They heard only about Paul's conversion. HEARD ONLY which means they hadn't heard Paul's gospel, which means they weren't in the body of Christ.

 

[David in NJ]

Precious friends, yes, we believe so, but the caveat is:

God's Precious Word Of Truth Must Be prayerfully / Carefully Rightly
Divided - ie.:

I have decided to follow Jesus? ​

So far, 2 responses have been given to this link: 1) Off-topic about Pontius Pilate, and 2) a general "live life and study" recommendation, Neither one addressing Exactly "Which Commandments Of God" we are to be
following...

-----------------------------------------------
And, precious friend(s), Please Be Very Richly Encouraged and Edified
In The Lord Jesus Christ and In His Precious Word Of Truth, Rightly
Divided:

The Bible: The BIG Picture

Amen.

Dear Grace ambassador,

Big Problem: You are not "rightly dividing the word of truth"

There is no dividing Jew from Gentile in CHRIST = to do so is SIN


And Jesus answered and said to them, “Because of the hardness of your heart he wrote you this precept. But from the beginning of the creation, God ‘made them male and female.’ ‘For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’; so then they are no longer two, but one flesh.
Therefore what God has joined together, let not man separate.”

@Doug

 

[Doug]

Second, Galatians 1:13 does not prove two churches. Paul says he persecuted “the church of God.” Singular. He does not say “a different church.” He says the same church existed before his conversion and continued after. Growth in revelation does not equal a new organism. The body was revealed progressively, but it was never duplicated.

[Acts 8:1 KJV] "And Saul was consenting unto his death. And at that time there was a great persecution against the church which was at Jerusalem; and they were all scattered abroad throughout the regions of Judaea and Samaria, except the apostles."
The church Paul persecuted were scattered, this was only Israel................[James 1:1 KJV] "James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting."..........scripture doesnt say anywhere that the body of Christ was scattered

The church of God is a generic term

 

[Doug]

Third, your appeal to Peter’s silence about “one body” proves nothing. Peter explicitly affirms unity when he says God put “no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith” ~Acts 15:9, and again, “we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they” ~Acts 15:11. Same salvation, same grace, same people of God. One body by definition.

Grace isnt limited to Paul. Noah found grace. Peter needed grace to be saved because they couldnt keep the law

 

[amigo de christo]

Dear Grace ambassador,

Big Problem: You are not "rightly dividing the word of truth"

There is no dividing Jew from Gentile in CHRIST = to do so is SIN


And Jesus answered and said to them, “Because of the hardness of your heart he wrote you this precept. But from the beginning of the creation, God ‘made them male and female.’ ‘For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’; so then they are no longer two, but one flesh.
Therefore what God has joined together, let not man separate.”

@Doug

Why was peter rebuked before them all .
HE was once again PU TTING a difference between the JEW and the Gentile .
Just like it seems we got some doing right now .
And worse they try and preach TWO gospels even to this people . That not even peter would have dared to do .
This two gospel thing IS upmost error of blasphemy . THEY use to for one reason
TO OMIT the th ings JESUS taught that get in the way of their own hearts desires
JUST like they do with peter and james and otehr places . OH That DONT apply to us .
IT was a means to JUSTIFY the love of the flesh .
SO allow me a parting reminder for us all . EV ERY WORD OF GOD is TRUTH
and not to be twiseted and omitted . As i am sure you know this my friend .

 

[Doug]

Luke 12:33 and Acts 2 describe a specific historical situation, not a salvation requirement. Even within Acts, that practice was not universal or permanent. Peter still owned a house ~Acts 12:12, believers met in homes, and Paul never commands communal selling. Scripture itself shows the practice was situational, not defining a different church.

[Matthew 19:16 KJV] "And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?"
[Matthew 19:21 KJV] "Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go [and] sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come [and] follow me."
It is pertaining to salvation. The one asked about eternal life

 

[Doug]

Matthew 24:14 is not a different gospel. Jesus Himself later defined the message as “repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations” ~Luke 24:47. Paul preached the same Christ crucified and risen ~1 Corinthians 15:1–4. Same Person, same work, same salvation. Different emphasis does not equal different gospel.

[Matthew 24:14 KJV] "And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.".........the gospel of the kingdom was that the time was fulfilled and their Davidic kingdom was at hand,,,,,,,,,,,
[2 Samuel 7:12 KJV] "And when thy days be fulfilled, and thou shalt sleep with thy fathers, I will set up thy seed after thee, which shall proceed out of thy bowels, and I will establish his kingdom."
[2 Samuel 7:13 KJV] "He shall build an house for my name, and I will stablish the throne of his kingdom for ever."
[Acts 1:6 KJV] "When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?"

[Luke 24:47 KJV] "And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.".............what was being preached was eternal life by believing on his name not the cross not 1 Cor 15:1-4

 

[Doug]

Acts 2:38 is not a second way of salvation. Peter interprets himself. In Acts 10:43 he says remission of sins comes through believing in Christ. In Acts 15 he says hearts are purified by faith. Baptism follows repentance. It does not replace faith, and Peter never teaches forgiveness without faith.

[Acts 2:38 KJV] "Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.".............water baptism forgave their sins Paul never says this

[Acts 10:43 KJV] "To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.".........Again salvation by only believing on his name which was to believe he was their Christ the Son of God

 

[Doug]

Matthew 6:14–15 does not contradict Colossians 2:13. Jesus is addressing relational forgiveness among disciples, not the legal basis of justification. Scripture already settled justification at the cross. Jesus Himself forgave while dying ~Luke 23:34. Paul explains the completed judicial forgiveness accomplished in Christ. Different contexts, same truth.

[Matthew 6:14 KJV] "For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:"
[Matthew 6:15 KJV] "But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses."...........Yes this involves forgiving others but it is saying God will not forgive the sins of the one who doesnt forgive..This is a covenant type of relationship

[Luke 23:34 KJV] "Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do. And they parted his raiment, and cast lots."...........Jesus was asking that the nation of Israel would be forgiven and they will be in the new covenant...........
[Jeremiah 31:31 KJV] "Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:"
[Jeremiah 31:34 KJV] "And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more."