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And then Paul informs us in Ephesians 5:32 that he is speaking of Christ and the Church.

The Church is Christ's Bride and His Wife.

Both are "her"s.

Is Ephesians 5:32 in your Bible?
It is not `her,` but `it,` referring back to the - new man, the perfect man.
 

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From Ephesians 5:32 Greek:

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ekklēsian
ἐκκλησίαν .
church
N-AFS Noun - Accusative Feminine Singular
Ekklesia - a calling out, assembly.

`that He might present IT to Himself...` (Eph. 5: 27. `it,` (Gk. 846) `autos,` self, third person IT.

Jesus is NOT the Head of a female BODY.
 

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Ekklesia - a calling out, assembly.

`that He might present IT to Himself...` (Eph. 5: 27. `it,` (Gk. 846) `autos,` self, third person IT.

Jesus is NOT the Head of a female BODY.

He is the Head of the whole body of believers, called the Church. "IT" the body, Christ's Church is what Jesus came to build. He as the Master builder, the Chief Cornerstone, and we, the church, the body of the saints, are builders together with Him as we proclaim the gospel of the Kingdom of God.

Matthew 16:18 (KJV) And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

1 Corinthians 3:9-11 (KJV)
For we are labourers together with God: ye are God's husbandry, ye are God's building. According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon. For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.

The Church according to the Bible is called 'her' and 'she' by the saints because the Bible tells us we the body, saints, church are the bride of Christ.

FYI - The Bible is written to the Church, the body of saints, ecclesia, called out ones, the bride of Christ etc. regardless of when we are alive upon the earth. If the Bible is written only to the original audience alive at the time of writing it makes little sense for Christ to tell us to preach the Word unto all people that whosoever among the mass of humanity shall hear and believe shall be saved.
 
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Jesus is NOT the Head of a female BODY.


He is the Head of the whole body of believers, called the Church. "IT" the body, Christ's Church is what Jesus came to build. He as the Master builder, the Chief Cornerstone, and we, the church, the body of the saints, are builders together with Him as we proclaim the gospel of the Kingdom of God.

Matthew 16:18 (KJV) And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

1 Corinthians 3:9-11 (KJV)
For we are labourers together with God: ye are God's husbandry, ye are God's building. According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon. For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.

The Church according to the Bible is called 'her' and 'she' by the saints because the Bible tells us we the body, saints, church are the bride of Christ.

FYI - The Bible is written to the Church, the body of saints, ecclesia, called out ones, the bride of Christ ect. regardless of when we are alive upon the earth. If the Bible is written only to the original audience alive at the time of writing it makes little sense for Christ to tell us to preach the Word unto all people that whosoever among the mass of humanity shall hear and believe shall be saved.
@Marilyn C is attempting to claim that if the Greek gender of "church" is feminine (which it is), then that means that the church is comprised of all females. :laughing: :laughing:

There's no delusion like dispensational delusion. :laughing::laughing:
 
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So we are all going to go and live in Israel?
LOL. What?! Where are you getting that from? I certainly didn't say that in any way, shape or form. What did Peter say we are looking for in fulfillment of the promise of the second coming of Christ? Israel? No. The new heavens and new earth where only righteousness will dwell.

2 Peter 3:13 Nevertheless we, according to His promise, look for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells.
 

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And then Paul informs us in Ephesians 5:32 that he is speaking of Christ and the Church.

The Church is Christ's Bride and His Wife.

Both are "her"s.

Is Ephesians 5:32 in your Bible?
It couldn't be more clear and she still doesn't get it. It's just unbelievable.
 
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`...AND upon the Israel of God.` Two groups there.
Wrong. Here is a better translation of the passage which more accurately shows what Paul was saying.

(NIV) Galatians 6:14 May I never boast except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, through which the world has been crucified to me, and I to the world.15 Neither circumcision nor uncircumcision means anything; what counts is the new creation. 16 Peace and mercy to all who follow this rule—to the Israel of God.

Paul is showing here that what matters and what counts is not being Jew (circumcision) or Gentile (uncircumcision), but rather the new creation in Jesus Christ. As Paul said in 2 Corinthians 5:17, anyone who is in Christ has been made a new creation. That is what matters and not whether someone is a Jew who has been circumcised or a Gentile who has not been circumcised. All who follow this rule of being part of the new creation in Christ regardless of being circumcised (Jew) or uncircumcised (Gentile) are the Israel of God.

Here is how Galatians 6:16 is worded in the KJV, which is, unfortunately, misleading for people like you.

Galatians 6:16 And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.

You think, because of the word "and" being after the word "mercy" in this verse that it means Paul is referring to a separate group he called "the Israel of God". But, the Greek word can also mean "that is". Which means the verse can be worded like this: And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them and mercy, that is, upon the Israel of God". Which means Paul is calling the ones who "walk according to this rule" the Israel of God.

Look at this verse...

Revelation 19:5 And a voice came out of the throne, saying, Praise our God, all ye his servants, and ye that fear him, both small and great.

If you interpreted this verse in the same way you interpret Galatians 6:16 you would have to conclude that all God's servants and those that fear Him are two different groups. Is that how you interpret this verse? I doubt it. I would assume you understand that "all ye his servants" and "ye that fear him" are the same group of people being referred to in two different ways? If so, then you should understand that in Galatians 6:15-16 those who who walk according to the rule that says being made a new creation in Christ is what counts and the Israel of God are the same group of people referred to in two different ways.
 
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I read what you said but it does not line up. It still means that no individual scripture can be taken on its own but must line up with ALL of God`s word.
It does line up if only you read what I said more carefully. And, of course no individual scripture can be taken on its own. I never said otherwise. I have made that same point many times myself. When you look at all of God's word you can see that all of God's people from all-time, both Jew and Gentile, have been brought together as one body by the blood of Christ.
 

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I did not reference Ephesians 5:30. I referenced Ephesians 5:31,32.

Ephesians 5:31,32 are about the analogy of earthly marriage to the marriage of Christ and His Church.

Do you see that?
I referenced that verse, too, and she somehow didn't see it when I referenced it, either. Seems to be a case of seeing what she wants to see rather than what is actually there.
 
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Eph. 2: 15 `the new man, Eph. 3: 13 `the mature man` Eph. 4: 24 `put on the new man,`

If the city has everyone, then who are the nations walking in its light and the kings who go up to the city to bring their honor into it? (Rev. 21: 24 & 25)
I already addressed that multiple times. This is hopeless. I'm moving on.
 

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LOL. What?! Where are you getting that from? I certainly didn't say that in any way, shape or form. What did Peter say we are looking for in fulfillment of the promise of the second coming of Christ? Israel? No. The new heavens and new earth where only righteousness will dwell.

2 Peter 3:13 Nevertheless we, according to His promise, look for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells.
Yes, but we need to look at all of God`s word for the details. Some will go to the New Jerusalem (Heb. 11: 16) and some on the earth (Rev. 21: 24) and some to the Lord`s own throne in the highest. (Rev. 3: 21)
 

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It couldn't be more clear and she still doesn't get it. It's just unbelievable.
So you fellas are quite happy to be part of this bride you talk about as the church. Are you telling other men, "Come to Jesus and be part of His bride?"

Personally, I believe God`s word when He says the Body of Christ is NOT male or FEMALE, but the NEW MAN, coming to a perfect MAN, and we are to put on the NEW MAN.
 

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So you fellas are quite happy to be part of this bride you talk about as the church. Are you telling other men, "Come to Jesus and be part of His bride?"

Personally, I believe God`s word when He says the Body of Christ is NOT male or FEMALE, but the NEW MAN, coming to a perfect MAN, and we are to put on the NEW MAN.
LOL! You are contradicting yourself and don't even realize it. You rightly point out that the body of Christ is not male or female, but then you try to use the fact that the body of Christ is "the new man" to prove that it can't be the bride of Christ! What?! That's a total contradiction!

Since the body of Christ is neither male nor female, then the fact that it is called "the new man" does not make it male, right? It's just a figurative expression. So, just because the body of Christ is the new man does not make it male, since it's neither male nor female, so that means the body of Christ can be figuratively described with male terms like "the new man" without making it male and it can also be described figuratively with female terms like "the bride of Christ" without making it female. The body of Christ is BOTH the new man AND the bride of Christ in a figurative sense, but is neither male nor female in a literal sense. Your lack of differentiating between literal and figurative terms is causing you to contradict yourself.
 
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LOL! You are contradicting yourself and don't even realize it. You rightly point out that the body of Christ is not male or female, but then you try to use the fact that the body of Christ is "the new man" to prove that it can't be the bride of Christ! What?! That's a total contradiction!

Since the body of Christ is neither male nor female, then the fact that it is called "the new man" does not make it male, right? It's just a figurative expression. So, just because the body of Christ is the new man does not make it male, since it's neither male nor female, so that means the body of Christ can be figuratively described with male terms like "the new man" without making it male and it can also be described figuratively with female terms like "the bride of Christ" without making it female. The body of Christ is BOTH the new man AND the bride of Christ in a figurative sense, but is neither male nor female in a literal sense. Your lack of differentiating between literal and figurative terms is causing you to contradict yourself.
As God`s word says - no male or female, but BOTH. The NEW MAN has the male and female characters.

For you as a male desiring to be part of a female bride, and marry Jesus, that seems transgender or even homosexual!
 
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As God`s word says - no male or female, but BOTH. The NEW MAN has the male and female characters.

For you as a male desiring to be part of a female bride, and marry Jesus, that seems transgender or even homosexual!
Did Paul know that he was transgender or homosexual? :laughing:
 

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Did Paul know that he was transgender or homosexual? :laughing:
Actually, Paul by the Holy Spirit gave us the doctrine of the Body of Christ, the New Man, coming to a perfect Man, and for us to put on the new man. Finally, husbands are to love their wives as their BODY as Christ loves His BODY.

`For we are members of His BODY, His FLESH, His BONES.` (Eph. 5: 30)