Who is "the god of this world"? God or satan?

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Could it be more correctly stated that evil did not originate at this moment, but was revealed as knowledge that was withheld unless God’s free willed children chose to reveal it, by partaking of the forbidden fruit.....believing the lie that the devil told....that this knowledge was somehow beneficial....and that God lied about the penalty....”you surely will not die” is what he told the woman. And she believed him.
Eve ill become the word evil..... I think so....
As Jesus Christ said The patient needs a doctor.

In other words, the creation of words is goal-oriented. The words we use are created to serve human purposes, not Satan.

The knowledge of the God is not evil in itself, but such knowledge should not be possessed by humans—and the God was aware of this.


Besides tempting and testing people, Satan did not actually commit any evil deeds himself. Rather, it was humans who chose to follow Satan’s words and thus carried out all the subsequent wicked acts.

In other words, even if Satan is the source of evil (Eve ill ), if humans had obeyed God’s words, evil would never have occurred.

Or perhaps the things expressed by the knowledge forbidden by God will never be revealed, and they will forever remain just that tree.
 
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Eve ill become the word evil..... I think so....
Greek doesn’t work like that. “Eve” in Greek means “life” or “living”. God said she had to “become the mother of everyone living”....all human “life” would come through her.

Eve was chosen by satan because she was new and inexperienced...an easy target. She fell for his deception. If Satan had approached Adam there might have been a different outcome. But in successfully separating the woman from God by her disobedience, she would incur the death penalty, but now Adam was faced with a difficult choice......if he refused to accept the fruit from her hand, again a different outcome would have taken place.....so we know what he chose to do.....instead of losing her, he chose to die with her and condemn all of his future offspring to inherit sin and death.
The knowledge of the God is not evil in itself, but such knowledge should not be possessed by humans—and the God was aware of this.
God knew that an equal opposite of his goodness would not benefit humans at all, so he was going to keep it to himself.....not allowing it to touch their lives.....but abuse of free will took humanity on a detour that would change the course of their history. By allowing humans to see for themselves the consequences of their actions, God would provide the greatest object lesson in mankind’s history.....which would also be for the benefit of his angelic family as well, since the first one to rebel was a previously faithful angel who was himself tempted by wanting something he was not entitled to....worship. (James 1:13-15)
Besides tempting and testing people, Satan did not actually commit any evil deeds himself. Rather, it was humans who chose to follow Satan’s words and thus carried out all the subsequent wicked acts.
This is true...he mainly uses temptation, but he can cause physical harm though, because we see in Job that he was the one who caused Job’s illness. He was the one who took Job’s children from him....but he needed God’s permission.
In other words, even if Satan is the source of evil (Eve ill ), if humans had obeyed God’s words, evil would never have occurred.
True...if only they had just obeyed their God....we would never have known evil....in any form....imagine...
Or perhaps the things expressed by the knowledge forbidden by God will never be revealed, and they will forever remain just that tree.
I hold hope in what Isaiah foretold....

God promised....
“For look! I am creating new heavens and a new earth; And the former things will not be called to mind,
Nor will they come up into the heart.. . .
No more will there be an infant from that place who lives but a few days,
Nor an old man who fails to live out his days. . . .
They will build houses and live in them,
And they will plant vineyards and eat their fruitage.
They will not build for someone else to inhabit,
Nor will they plant for others to eat.
For the days of my people will be like the days of a tree,
And the work of their hands my chosen ones will enjoy to the full.
They will not toil for nothing,
Nor will they bear children for distress,
Because they are the offspring made up of those blessed by Jehovah,

And their descendants with them.” (Isa 65)

This experience of life we have all endured, will not leave us with bad memories....once it has accomplished God’s will, he will not allow it to be called to mind, no matter what we have suffered, we will not retain the memory of it.
That sounds good to me.
 
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Greek doesn’t work like that. “Eve” in Greek means “life” or “living”.
That's why we have all kinds of language,to keep all truth in words.

God said she had to “become the mother of everyone living”....all human “life” would come through her.
I don't think that if Eve didn't eat the fruit from that tree, we would have to be born in the womb. I believe it could have been directly created by God, without the need for an intermediary.

But if Eve becomes the holy spirit and the woman who in the Revelation and gives us born again,so be it.



Eve was chosen by satan because she was new and inexperienced...an easy target. She fell for his deception. If Satan had approached Adam there might have been a different outcome. But in successfully separating the woman from God by her disobedience, she would incur the death penalty, but now Adam was faced with a difficult choice......if he refused to accept the fruit from her hand, again a different outcome would have taken place.....so we know what he chose to do.....instead of losing her, he chose to die with her and condemn all of his future offspring to inherit sin and death.

God knew that an equal opposite of his goodness would not benefit humans at all, so he was going to keep it to himself.....not allowing it to touch their lives.....but abuse of free will took humanity on a detour that would change the course of their history. By allowing humans to see for themselves the consequences of their actions, God would provide the greatest object lesson in mankind’s history.....which would also be for the benefit of his angelic family as well, since the first one to rebel was a previously faithful angel who was himself tempted by wanting something he was not entitled to....worship. (James 1:13-15)

This is true...he mainly uses temptation, but he can cause physical harm though, because we see in Job that he was the one who caused Job’s illness. He was the one who took Job’s children from him....but he needed God’s permission.

True...if only they had just obeyed their God....we would never have known evil....in any form....imagine...

I hold hope in what Isaiah foretold....

God promised....
“For look! I am creating new heavens and a new earth; And the former things will not be called to mind,
Nor will they come up into the heart.. . .
No more will there be an infant from that place who lives but a few days,
Nor an old man who fails to live out his days. . . .
They will build houses and live in them,
And they will plant vineyards and eat their fruitage.
They will not build for someone else to inhabit,
Nor will they plant for others to eat.
For the days of my people will be like the days of a tree,
And the work of their hands my chosen ones will enjoy to the full.
They will not toil for nothing,
Nor will they bear children for distress,
Because they are the offspring made up of those blessed by Jehovah,

And their descendants with them.” (Isa 65)

This experience of life we have all endured, will not leave us with bad memories....once it has accomplished God’s will, he will not allow it to be called to mind, no matter what we have suffered, we will not retain the memory of it.
That sounds good to me.
Yes, as you wish on that day, you will be like a blank sheet of paper, but you will still be you.
 

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You have confused Kosmos for Aion likely because you haven't studied the verses well enough.
i suppose your a expert theologian ? world is world i guess john 3:16 does not mean world for God so loved the world... the people living
 

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I don't think that if Eve didn't eat the fruit from that tree, we would have to be born in the womb. I believe it could have been directly created by God, without the need for an intermediary.
Since Eve had to become “the mother of everyone living”, it was God who designed procreation to be the wonderful miracle that it is. New life begins in the womb, in secret, when no one knows the instant when that new life begins....it truly is a miracle to read the science of conception....how it takes place.

Adam was created from the elements of the earth, whereas Eve was created from Adam’s DNA....his rib being an abundant source of it. She was related to him in the genetic sense....and their union would produce an entire race of humankind. Their children producing children, and then their children producing children...and so on until we see a heavily populated earth in our day. All are descendants of Adam through Noah who survived the flood.

Procreation is how God populated the earth with all his creatures. Only humans were given a moral sense governed by the Creator’s code of conduct.
But if Eve becomes the holy spirit and the woman who in the Revelation and gives us born again,so be it.
Perhaps you can explain this so that I can address it scripturally...?
Yes, as you wish on that day, you will be like a blank sheet of paper, but you will still be you.
The day we step out onto a cleaned earth, like Noah stepped out of the ark, is the day we will cherish as the first day of our everlasting life. God never intended for the world of mankind to go wrong, but when it did, he addressed the problem with a long term solution so that rebellion could never happen again.

We will not remember anything bad that happened to us in this life, but we will still be ourselves....with our good memories intact......everything that makes us unique in the flesh, will remain.

The Revelation speaks of “the trees of life” being available for “the healing of the nations” (Rev 22:1-2)....so, access to the source of everlasting life will be restored to redeemed humanity. We will have 1000 years of the rulership of God’s Kingdom, in the capable hands of his trusted son, along with those specially chosen as “kings and priests” to rule with him. (Rev 20:6)

This is what we have been waiting for....and this is “the good news of the Kingdom” that Jesus said must be “preached in all the inhabited earth as a witness to all the nations” before the foretold “end” comes. (Matt 24:14) Soon now.....
 

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One does not need to be an expert to know Aion from Kosmos.
and neither does one need to know technicalities to know the Bible.. facts are the god of this world (Satan ) we live in is not the same God of Abraham Issac and Jacob . your gnat straining please don't choke on your camel
 

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and neither does one need to know technicalities to know the Bible.. facts are the god of this world (Satan ) we live in is not the same God of Abraham Issac and Jacob . your gnat straining please don't choke on your camel


Satan is not the one called the God of the Aion, who blinds people in 2 Cor. It's speaking of God.
 

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I decided to ask AI about this.

  • spiritual age or realm, which is distinct from the material world.
  • Satan is the ruler of the Kosmos: This means that Satan (or the demiurge in Gnostic terms) has dominion over the material world, which is seen as fallen, corrupt, or illusory.

Summary​

In Marcionism and Gnosticism, the cosmos (Kosmos) is often viewed as a flawed creation ruled by a malevolent or ignorant power (Satan or demiurge), while the true God is the ruler of the spiritual age (Aion). This dualistic worldview sharply contrasts the spiritual and material realms, emphasizing the need for spiritual knowledge or salvation to transcend the Kosmos.

your absolutely %100 WRONG......!!!
He appears to be promoting non-Biblical ideas.

There are Gnostics who claim to be Christian. Gnostic Christian.

Maybe that's what he is promoting here.
 

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You're not "your"



100% not %100. You can't even get simple things right yet on this you think you know what 2 Cor is speaking about? No way you are correct.
o se ew dont like me gremmer i dint pit the right % n de wight plice . it dont take a rocket scientist to see you dont have a clue i hope ew enoy mrbremmer and bid spilling :gd:rolleyes::Ohzsml
 

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Who is "the god of this world"? God or satan?

God OF “this World”…

Satan.

John 18:
[36]Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world:

Jesus MADE men saints “OF His” Kingdom … who willingly came OUT “OF” this world…
Whom are patiently waiting “IN” this world, FOR His Kingdom to COME “INTO” “this World”.

Glory to God.
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Who is "the god of this world"? God or satan?

God OF “this World”…

Satan.

John 18:
[36]Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world:

Jesus MADE men saints “OF His” Kingdom … who willingly came OUT “OF” this world…
Whom are patiently waiting “IN” this world, FOR His Kingdom to COME “INTO” “this World”.

Glory to God.
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While wearing the armor of God so to keep us secure in Christ while we navigate this world.

We are in this world. Not of this world.
 
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Whole wearing the armor of God so to keep us secure in Christ while we navigate this world.

Amen

Whole Armor of God…Yes.
This world is full of men of Deception, hoping to convince other men to Follow and Join with them.

We are in this world. Not of this world.

Amen.

Yes.
“IN” Christ, IN Him, IN His Kingdom Spiritually.
He “IN” His saved, “IN” this world…

His Power “IN” His Saved;
Keeping (the Power of Fallen angels Impossible to overtake, overcome, His Saved.)

God bless you.

Glory to God,
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Amen

Whole Armor of God…Yes.
This world is full of men of Deception, hoping to convince other men to Follow and Join with them.



Amen.

Yes.
“IN” Christ, IN Him, IN His Kingdom Spiritually.
He “IN” His saved, “IN” this world…

His Power “IN” His Saved;
Keeping (the Power of Fallen angels Impossible to overtake, overcome, His Saved.)

God bless you.

Glory to God,
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God bless you.

You watch television and you'll see those who hide in the shadows of the cross while working for the darkness. Leading people into holding faith in a worldly god.

They're everywhere. They even write books. Their version of their god's bible.
 
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Who is "the god of this world"? God or satan?

God OF “this World”…

Satan.

No, if's God the same one the bible repeatedly says is blinding people.


John 18:
[36]Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world:

Jesus MADE men saints “OF His” Kingdom … who willingly came OUT “OF” this world…

satan rules this kosmos not this Aion.