WOMEN AREN'T TO SPEAK IN TONGUES IN THE CHURCH

[soberxp]

For it is written;

'Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.'

Sadly, you're haughty and wise in your own conceit, as our dialogues with you so far.

Jesus discipled us to be alert and be aware by, 'You will know them by their fruit.'

You fail to read our replies that we've testified, and context of the scripture that competent men elders of the church will evaluate and choose, even woman to pray and prophesy.

Where can it go wrong and woman is punished, when she's chosen correctly and monitored at every service by elders of the church?

It's only in your 'shortsighted' church, things are neither here or there and are bound by men's traditions rather, or you're acting on your own, i reckon.

Furthermore 'irony' is, you laughed in 'scorn' towards our testimony in regards the 'truth'?

Who can guarantee that the doctrines he accepts, studies and teaches are completely correct?
What I mean is that Paul did not allow women to preach in the church because
James 3:1
My brethren, be not many masters, knowing that we shall receive the greater condemnation.

Do you read the Bible as separate parts?

 

[Doug]

Here are the verses . Act 21:8-9
8And the next day we that were of Paul's company departed, and came unto Caesarea: and we entered into the house of Philip the evangelist, which was one of the seven; and abode with him.

9And the same man had four daughters, virgins, which did prophesy.

The question is a yes or no @Doug . Do prophetess prophesy ?

This was before the body of Christ was formed. As I said their were prophetesses in the OT and NT

 

[talons]

As I said their were prophetesses in the OT and NT

Were Philip's four daughters prophetesses ? Yes or No . Easy question . Basic Sunday school .

Here are the verses . Act 21:8-9
8And the next day we that were of Paul's company departed, and came unto Caesarea: and we entered into the house of Philip the evangelist, which was one of the seven; and abode with him.

9And the same man had four daughters, virgins, which did prophesy.

This was before the body of Christ was formed.

Well this should be interesting !

When do you say the body of Christ was formed ?

 

[Doug]

Were Philip's four daughters prophetesses ? Yes or No

Yes I didnt say they werent but they arent in the body of Christ

 

[Doug]

When do you say the body of Christ was formed ?

Scripture doesnt specify when the BOC was formed but only Paul taught about it so it had to be after Acts9 where he was converted. Before Acts 9 he persecuted the existing temple Jerusalem church

 

[talons]

Yes I didnt say they werent but they arent in the body of Christ

So do you think the daughters of Philip that Prophesy was spoken through by the power of the Holy Spirit became part of the body of Christ later since you think they were not in Acts 21 ?

 

[talons]

Scripture doesnt specify when the BOC was formed but only Paul taught about it so it had to be after Acts9 where he was converted. Before Acts 9 he persecuted the existing temple Jerusalem church

So with what you said here the daughters are in the body of Christ since Acts chapter 21 said this .

Here are the verses . Act 21:8-9
8And the next day we that were of Paul's company departed, and came unto Caesarea: and we entered into the house of Philip the evangelist, which was one of the seven; and abode with him.

9And the same man had four daughters, virgins, which did prophesy.

 

[talons]

Scripture doesnt specify when the BOC was formed but only Paul taught about it so it had to be after Acts9 where he was converted. Before Acts 9 he persecuted the existing temple Jerusalem church

Tell me how the temple Jerusalem church would not be part of the Body of Christ ?

I have never thought the Church and the Body of Christ were two separate things , do you ?

 

[Doug]

So do you think the daughters of Philip that Prophesy was spoken through by the power of the Holy Spirit became part of the body of Christ later since you think they were not in Acts 21 ?

No ther isnt scripture for that

 

[Doug]

So with what you said here the daughters are in the body of Christ since Acts chapter 21 said this .

Here are the verses . Act 21:8-9
8And the next day we that were of Paul's company departed, and came unto Caesarea: and we entered into the house of Philip the evangelist, which was one of the seven; and abode with him.

9And the same man had four daughters, virgins, which did prophesy.

Acts 21 is only recounting Pul's journeys it's not a chronology of salvation or doctrine

 

[Doug]

Tell me how the temple Jerusalem church would not be part of the Body of Christ ?

I have never thought the Church and the Body of Christ were two separate things , do you ?

I will answer you tomorrow

 

[talons]

Acts 21 is only recounting Pul's journeys it's not a chronology of salvation or doctrine

Chronology -an arrangement of events in time .
Are the events in Acts chapter 21 after the events in Acts 9 ?

 

[Fred J]

Who can guarantee that the doctrines he accepts, studies and teaches are completely correct?
What I mean is that Paul did not allow women to preach in the church because
James 3:1
My brethren, be not many masters, knowing that we shall receive the greater condemnation.

Do you read the Bible as separate parts?

You teach yourself first the Holy Bible in context before you teach others.

Did Paul say that he disallow women to preach in the church because of James' epistle?

No!

It's just that you're making your own assumption which only 'twist' the Apostles' doctrine and even the scripture to your own destruction.

Paul mentioned in his epistle that 'women' (generally all in the church congregation) are to be 'silent' in church (during the service without disturbance, since the congregation are to listen and pay attention).

In 1 Corinthians ch. 11, Paul mentioned 'woman' (individually who are chosen) who pray for and prophesy to the congregation, ought to have a covering over her head.

(It doesn't make sense that a woman pray and prophesy to her self in silent. For in ch. 14, gift of prayer, even in tongues, and prophesying are met with charity to be spoken openly for the 'edification' of the whole congregation and not oneself)

James' epistle is referring to 'brethren' as to 'men', and men who'll take charge of women as 'heads', as Christ takes charge of men as their Head.

Based on observation the incompetency of some who are teaching falsely and where everyone wants to be a teacher, who apparently will be greatly judged.

It's not only the Holy Bible scripture in context and it's sound doctrine, but one also need wisdom from above to have knowledge and understanding to minister and witness correctly.

Are you willing to learn or go ahead on your own minister and witness a twisted gospel and be accursed?

Strong words indeed, but they are to help you and not harm you, if only you humble to Him, listen and pay attention to His unworthy servants.

Thank you

 

[Fred J]

Paul said THOUGH he spoke with the tongues of angels..........can be read as EVEN IF I spoke with tongues of angels
He was not saying he spoke tongues of angels

He's saying doesn't matter the gifts of the Holy Ghost he may hold, even tongues of angels one of them, but without 'charity', means nothing at all.

Gifts of the Holy Ghost is not given to a believer to serve oneself, but in charity to serve the congregation rather, and even an outsider who walks in.

For believers who have the gift of tongues in the congregation, apparently are the tongues of angels, tongues how angels in Heaven communicate with GOD.

Therefore here on earth the believer speak in same tongues communicate with GOD in Heaven, and in charity interpret for the congregation to understand.

Henceforth at the end the whole congregation in agreeance finish by confessing "Amen", and as a result everyone is 'edified'.

 

[Fred J]

The jews from the little flock were participants in Paul's ministry...........[Romans 16:7 KJV] "Salute Andronicus and Junia, my kinsmen, and my fellowprisoners, who are of note among the apostles, who also were in Christ before me.".........some passages are addressed to this little flock based on this verse............[1 Corinthians 1:12 KJV] "Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ."...............some are of Peter and some Christ in the earthly ministry.

You're just 'back sliding' to your weird assumption of things.

 

[Fred J]

I think that that which is perfect is come could well be Charity.
I still say tongues ceased because they were no longer needed, One factor is they were for a sign to unbelieving Israel, Israel has fallen in this dispensation..............[1 Corinthians 14:22 KJV] "Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying [serveth] not for them that believe not, but for them which believe."
,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Tongues may be reinstated in the tribulation...............Tongues may be reinstated in the tribulation.

Out of context babbling just to suite your 'twisted' agenda, apparently i disagree, no thank you.

 

[Fred J]

To conclude 1 Corinthians ch. 12 - 14;

According to Apostle Paul, in church 'women' in whole are to remain 'silent' during the gathering and service.

In ch. 11, Paul refers to 'a woman' individually who pray and prophesy in the church, ought to have a 'covering' over her head.

And woman pray and prophesy equally with man pray and prophesy according to the same ch.

But as to speaking in tongues, Paul referred to man according to ch. 14, that in charity man should pray for interpretation.

And interpret for the congregation, two or three men at a time while the others take turn, so that the whole church is 'edified'.

Shalom in the name of Jesus Christ

 

[Doug]

Tell me how the temple Jerusalem church would not be part of the Body of Christ ?

I have never thought the Church and the Body of Christ were two separate things , do you ?

There is no verse that details this It's just a matter of examining scripture

Jesus went about preaching the kingdom was at hand.................The kingdom is the prophetic promised Davidic kingdom on earth in which Israel will reign with Christ for a thousand years...............Jesus came to confirm the promises made to the fathers which includes the kingdom.. This kingdom was promised to Israel not the body of Christ . Believing Israel will be on earth while the body of Christ will be in heaven.

Peter and the church worshiped in the temple. The body of Christ met in houses

Jesus formed the church and ordained twelve apostles. To be an apostle they had to have been with Jesus from John's baptism. Paul could not be an apostle in their church because he couldnt meet this. He is an apostle to the body of Christ. The temple church with the twelve apostles is therefore different than the body with Paul as the apostle.

Another proof that they are different churches is that Paul persecuted the temple church before the body of Christ was formed. The body was formed with Paul's conversion.

 

[talons]

There is no verse that details this It's just a matter of examining scripture

I have a few of verses that point to a united Church , a church which is the body of Christ .

The church and Peter .
Matthew 16
18And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

Paul talks about who is in the Church. Apostles he said .
1Cor12
28And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.

Now what did Paul say about the Body who are members of the Church .
Romans12
4For as we have many members in one body, and all members have not the same office:

5So we, being many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another.

6Having then gifts differing according to the grace that is given to us, whether prophecy, let us prophesy according to the proportion of faith;

Jesus went about preaching the kingdom was at hand.................The kingdom is the prophetic promised Davidic kingdom on earth in which Israel will reign with Christ for a thousand years...............Jesus came to confirm the promises made to the fathers which includes the kingdom.. This kingdom was promised to Israel not the body of Christ . Believing Israel will be on earth while the body of Christ will be in heaven.

And where will the Church be while the body is in heaven ? Will they not be in heaven also since I can find no difference between them ?

Peter and the church worshiped in the temple. The body of Christ met in houses

Did they ALL worship the same Christ ?

Jesus formed the church and ordained twelve apostles. To be an apostle they had to have been with Jesus from John's baptism. Paul could not be an apostle in their church because he couldnt meet this. He is an apostle to the body of Christ. The temple church with the twelve apostles is therefore different than the body with Paul as the apostle.

Not a great difference because they worship and serve the same risen Christ , they are members of the same body of Christ and the same Church of God .

The Church of God , what Paul said . The Church and the Body of Christ were purchased with the blood of the Lamb .

Acts 20:28 Context​

25And now, behold, I know that ye all, among whom I have gone preaching the kingdom of God, shall see my face no more. 26Wherefore I take you to record this day, that I am pure from the blood of all men. 27For I have not shunned to declare unto you all the counsel of God. 28Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood. 29For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock. 30Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them. 31Therefore watch, and remember, that by the space of three years I ceased not to warn every one night and day with tears.

Another proof that they are different churches is that Paul persecuted the temple church before the body of Christ was formed. The body was formed with Paul's conversion.

Paul did not have to say "body of Christ" for it to exist , if you are a born again believer worshipping the risen Christ you are of the Body of Christ and a member of the CHURCH .

Recommending reading .

Topical Bible: The Church as the Body of Christ

 

[Doug]

Chronology -an arrangement of events in time .
Are the events in Acts chapter 21 after the events in Acts 9 ?

Yes