When Might Satan With His Angels Come to This Earth For the Tribulation?

[Spiritual Israelite]

Satan does not actually have to be in the third heaven to accuse people.

It says he accused people before God and God is located in the third heaven. Very simple. You are not even able to understand the simplest things sometimes. How can you hope to understand any of the deeper things when that is the case?

God hears his accusations no matter where he is. Just as God hears you when you speak to Him.

You are trying to twist the text to make it say what you want it to say, as you so often do. It says he was before God, which means he was in God's presence like he was when he talked to God about Job.

 

[Davy]

Davy, Paul spoke of what called "the third heaven". The third heaven is where God's throne is.

Speaking about himself, Paul said in 2Corinthians12:2...

NO NEED TO QUOTE APOSTLE PAUL IN 2 Corinthians 12 to me. I am already well familiar with that Bible Chapter.

Paul did not say that actually happened to him, but to someone else. Yet I believe Paul was just being modest, and it did happen to him.

Being "caught up" means what... was caught up? Paul's spirit that dwelt inside his flesh body. His spirit was caught up to God's Paradise, which means WHERE?

It means the SAME PARADISE of God's Abode that the rest of The Bible speaks of!

So can you show me any place in the REST of The Bible that mentions a 3RD HEAVEN LAYER in PARADISE? NO, YOU CANNOT!

Does that mean then, that's it's OK for men to create a whole doctrine out of that "third heaven" phrase to make brethren believe there's 3 heavens, or 3 levels in heaven where God's Abode is? No, those men do NOT... have that right.

I am amazed at how so many brethren are so easily fooled by men's doctrines and don't actually trust the Bible Scriptures, which we are required to support every word by TWO or MORE WITNESSES.

So where's the other Bible Witnesses to a 3 layered Paradise? That's what Paul said that you FAILED TO CATCH! Paul when he said the word "paradise" he was SPECIFICALLY referring to God's Abode, and not any other place. That means NOT the sky heaven around the earth also called a heaven. And that means no other heaven either other than where God's Throne is, which is in Paradise. Did you not know that in the Greek Septuagint Old Testament the word for God's Eden is the Greek word paradeisios, which is where our English word 'paradise' comes from?

The "third heaven" which Apostle Paul saw, was about the THIRD HEAVENLY AGE, also known as God's future new heavens and a new earth (2 Peter 3). Most brethren are WILLINGLY IGNORANT that there was a PREVIOUS earth age PRIOR to God's creation of this 2nd earth age starting at Genesis 1:2 forward. God DESTROYED that 1st world earth age which was when Lucifer was perfect in his ways serving God at His Throne, and then Lucifer rebelled. God destroyed that time and Lucifer's rebellion against Him, using a FLOOD (not Noah's flood, this was long before Noah, and even long before Adam). That is what Apostle Peter is covering in the 2 Peter 3 Chapter! 3 world earth ages, and the perishing of that 1st world earth age that was of a time when Lucifer was perfect in following God (per God's parable in Ezekiel 28).

The future new heavens and a new earth will be the THIRD WORLD EARTH AGE. And that... is Paul's "third heaven" that he was "caught up" to in the spirit and saw by vision. Per Acts 14:19-20, Paul was once stoned and left for dead by the Jews, and the other Apostles stood over Paul and he arose. No doubt Paul had an NDE, and that is how his spirit was "caught up" to God's Paradise in a VISION of the future THIRD WORLD EARTH HEAVEN AGE.

 

[Davy]

Further validation of those three levels is in Revelation 6, the sixth seal event. When the heaven (the universe) part and the stars appear to fall to the earth (actually, as they disappear on the horizon), and the inhabitants of the earth will be able see the third heaven, where Jesus is and the throne of God.

Nope! That's ADDING to that Revelation 6 Scripture, which says NOTHING about a "third heaven". That is only an assumption from men's doctrine. Also, you failed to rightly divide the timelines in those 6th SEAL verses...

Rev 6:12-17
12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

That above verse is NOT about the sudden destruction Paul spoke of in 1 Thess.5.

The 6th SEAL has TWO PARTS.

This FIRST PART is about SATAN and his host being cast out of heaven down to this earth at the end. The "great tribulation" is actually in between these two Rev.6:13 & 14 verses. And here is why...

The idea of "untimely figs" is a SPECIFIC IDEA about REAL fig horticulture. We are supposed to realize that in order to grasp how Christ is using that as a METAPHOR for Satan's casting down to earth with His angels per Revelation 12:7 forward. The literal idea about "untimely figs" is about real figs... that GROW IN THE WINTER... and fall off in the spring.

Christ uses that "untimely figs" to point to the first supernatural Messiah that is to appear in Jerusalem and proclaim himself as God (2 Thess.2:4). That event will cause a great falling away by many brethren who will be fooled into thinking that is our Lord Jesus when it will NOT be. Lord Jesus' true coming will be AFTER that false-Messiah appears in Jerusalem first! And that is what Paul showed in that 2 Thess.2 Chapter.

So IF... you fall away to that first one that comes claiming to be Messiah, then it means you have accepted the "untimely figs" instead... of waiting on Jesus to come afterwards. Thus that "untimely figs" metaphor is about SATAN'S COMING at the end of this world to OUR earthly dimension, PRIOR to Christ's future return.

Is that what YOU want to be? an untimely fig that falls away to worship the wrong Messiah, not waiting on Lord Jesus' coming afterwards?


THE SECOND PART OF THE 6TH SEAL:

The following verses are about the time of Lord Jesus' actual coming, with the "day of the Lord" events of a "sudden destruction" upon this earth by God's consuming fire, and the gathering of His Church, and His taking His Church with Him to the Mount of Olives east of Jerusalem, to begin His future 1,000 years reign over the nations.

14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.

15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;

16 And said to the mountains and rocks, "Fall on us, and hide us from the face of Him That sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
17 For the great day of His wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?"
KJV

 

[TribulationSigns]

The 1st thing to understand, is that the Revelation 12:7 war in Heaven between Archangel Michael and his angels against Satan and his angels, did NOT... happen back in history. It is an event still future to us today. We only need to read that prophecy as written to know this...

Rev 12:7-17
7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.

That idea that Satan and his angel's place will no more be found in the heavenly dimension once that heavenly war happens, is an eye opener showing many doctrines of men about this are simply junk, and made up.

Wow (chuckle). I’m sorry, but you—and many others—are simply mistaken about Revelation 12. Completely.

The woman in heaven symbolizes the congregation of the Kingdom of Heaven on Earth, not some future celestial event. The dragon is Satan, a spirit of man who operates through his human messengers. When the Old Testament congregation fell at the Cross, Satan and his Old Testament messengers (i.e.. Pharisees, Scribes, and Jews deceived by them) lost their kingdom representative.

Michael is Jesus Christ, and His “angels” are His human messengers—His believers. This conflict WILL NOT happen in the future; it already took place at the Cross. At that moment, the woman no longer represented the Old Testament congregation, because the kingdom representation was transferred to the New Testament congregation. The congregation fell at the Cross so it means Satan and his messenger no longer rules there. They just lost their place.

This is precisely why Christ has rebuilt the congregation (temple in three days) and gave the kingdom representative to her and she “fled into the wilderness”—the world—where she has been sustained with spiritual manna and commissioned to preach the gospel. Selah.

Yet you continue to insist that Revelation 12 is entirely future with physical war in literal heaven, an interpretation rooted in false premillennial doctrine. That position is not supported by Scripture. It rests instead on misinterpretation and speculation, arising from a lack of spiritual discernment regarding what Revelation 12 is actually teaching.

 

[Douggg]

The "third heaven" which Apostle Paul saw, was about the THIRD HEAVENLY AGE,

No, Paul did not say "third heavenly age".

Here is what Paul said...

2Corinthians12:
2 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the third heaven.

Now, let's look at what John said in Revelation 4:
1 After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.

2 And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne.
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So botn Paul and John were called up to the third heaven in the spirit and shown things. Paul said it was unlawful for him to say what he saw, other than saying the third heaven was like paradise.

John, on the other hand, was told to write down everything he saw and was told... which we now have as the book of Revelation.

 

[Davy]

Wow (chuckle). I’m sorry, but you—and many others—are simply mistaken about Revelation 12. Completely.

But I am sorry for your Biblical illiteracy by you NOT actually READING that Rev.12 Chapter as written, but instead your belief on men's doctrines made up by those not GIVEN to understand it, like the 'hirelings' of John 10 who preach for a business.

The symbolic "woman" on the very 1st verse symbolizes the 'seed' of the Woman of Genesis 3 that Christ would be born of. Those symbols were also given in Genesis 37 in Joseph's dream about his eleven brethren and his father and mother as the sun and the moon. The twelve stars represent the 12 tribes of Israel.

Then verses 3 & 4 is about the time in the 'old world' when Lucifer rebelled against God coveting God's Throne, and thus drew one third of the angels ("stars") to earth with him. A PREVIOUS BEAST SYSTEM is shown with that time of the 'old world' when Lucifer first rebelled that had ONLY 7 crowns (the one in Rev.13 for the end of this world is to have 10 crowns instead).

The symbolic "woman" then brought forth Christ Jesus (the "man child") Who is to reign in the future at His 2nd coming over all nations with a rod of iron.

The symbolic "woman" INCLUDES ALL TRIBES OF ISRAEL. The TEN SCATTERED TRIBES OF ISRAEL went WESTWARD leaving their captivity in Assyria and migrated to Asia Minor and Europe. They became the FOUNDERS of the early Christian Nations, and fulfilled the Genesis 35 "company of nations" about Jacob's seed, AND the Genesis 48 prophecy of the "multitude of nations" about Ephraim's seed, IN THE GOSPEL OF JESUS CHRIST. THIS MAKES CHRIST'S CHURCH INCLUDED... WITHIN THE SYMBOLIC "WOMAN"!! This represents the "woman" fleeing in the wilderness being protected by God.

Then AFTER... all the above, the war in Heaven happens, just prior to the "great tribulation" at the end of this world. That is why it says the Power of Christ, and Kingdom, and Salvation, BUT IN HEAVEN, then comes once Satan and his angels are cast out as a result of that war. THIS DID NOT HAPPEN AT THE CROSS. It is still FUTURE TO US. Mention of those who OVERCOME Satan by The BLOOD OF THE LAMB (JESUS) BY THEIR TESTIMONY, EVEN TO THEIR DEATH, is a 5th SEAL event that happens DURING THE "GREAT TRIBULATION" AT THE END OF THIS WORLD. Jesus warned His saints about it in Mark 13 about being delivered up to give that TESTIMONY BY THE HOLY SPIRIT, at the END of this world.

The time, times, and half a time represents 3.5 years, the 1260 days of the LATTER HALF of the Daniel 9:27 symbolic "one week", and the 1260 days God's "two witnesses" in JERUSALEM will prophecy against the beast at the END of this world in our near future.

So that AIN'T just about JEWS, like you Jews are wrongly taught.

The false ORTHODOX JEWISH LEADERS TODAY are those who brainwash the gullible into believing that only the tribes of the "house of Judah" (Judah, Benjamin, and Levi) make up ALL 12 TRIBES OF ISRAEL TODAY. That is a LIE from JEWS. That is also why JEWS wrongly believe the symbolic "woman" of Rev.12 is ONLY ABOUT JEWS, when it is about ALL 12 TRIBES OF ISRAEL, INCLUDING THE 'TEN LOST TRIBES' WHO WERE NEVER KNOWN AS JEWS!

(the Jewish historian Josephus, circa 100 A.D., said the title of JEW comes from the sole tribe of Judah, and those who returned from the Babylon captivity is what they called themselves, including the foreigners that went captive to Babylon with them. This involved ONLY the tribes of Judah, Benjamin, and Levi).

And per Apostle Paul, who said he was a Jew of the tribe of Benjamin, showed Christ's Church is made up of BOTH believing Israelites AND believing Gentiles! So it is shear stupidity for anyone to try and claim the symbolic "woman" that ALSO HAS THE TESTIMONY OF JESUS CHRIST does not involve Christ's Church!!!

 

[Davy]

No, Paul did not say "third heavenly age".

Paul didn't have to say 'age' with that, it was automatically intended per the rest of Bible Scripture Witness.

Like I said, WHERE is evidence that there are 3 levels in Heaven written of in the REST of The Bible? You won't find that "third heaven" phrase found anywhere else either, so YOUR argument is MOOT!

 

[TribulationSigns]

But I am sorry for your Biblical illiteracy by you NOT actually READING that Rev.12 Chapter as written, but instead your belief on men's doctrines made up by those not GIVEN to understand it, like the 'hirelings' of John 10 who preach for a business.

The symbolic "woman" on the very 1st verse symbolizes the 'seed' of the Woman of Genesis 3 that Christ would be born of. Those symbols were also given in Genesis 37 in Joseph's dream about his eleven brethren and his father and mother as the sun and the moon. The twelve stars represent the 12 tribes of Israel.

Then verses 3 & 4 is about the time in the 'old world' when Lucifer rebelled against God coveting God's Throne, and thus drew one third of the angels ("stars") to earth with him. A PREVIOUS BEAST SYSTEM is shown with that time of the 'old world' when Lucifer first rebelled that had ONLY 7 crowns (the one in Rev.13 for the end of this world is to have 10 crowns instead).

The symbolic "woman" then brought forth Christ Jesus (the "man child") Who is to reign in the future at His 2nd coming over all nations with a rod of iron.

The symbolic "woman" INCLUDES ALL TRIBES OF ISRAEL. The TEN SCATTERED TRIBES OF ISRAEL went WESTWARD leaving their captivity in Assyria and migrated to Asia Minor and Europe. They became the FOUNDERS of the early Christian Nations, and fulfilled the Genesis 35 "company of nations" about Jacob's seed, AND the Genesis 48 prophecy of the "multitude of nations" about Ephraim's seed, IN THE GOSPEL OF JESUS CHRIST. THIS MAKES CHRIST'S CHURCH INCLUDED... WITHIN THE SYMBOLIC "WOMAN"!! This represents the "woman" fleeing in the wilderness being protected by God.

Then AFTER... all the above, the war in Heaven happens, just prior to the "great tribulation" at the end of this world. That is why it says the Power of Christ, and Kingdom, and Salvation, BUT IN HEAVEN, then comes once Satan and his angels are cast out as a result of that war. THIS DID NOT HAPPEN AT THE CROSS. It is still FUTURE TO US. Mention of those who OVERCOME Satan by The BLOOD OF THE LAMB (JESUS) BY THEIR TESTIMONY, EVEN TO THEIR DEATH, is a 5th SEAL event that happens DURING THE "GREAT TRIBULATION" AT THE END OF THIS WORLD. Jesus warned His saints about it in Mark 13 about being delivered up to give that TESTIMONY BY THE HOLY SPIRIT, at the END of this world.

The time, times, and half a time represents 3.5 years, the 1260 days of the LATTER HALF of the Daniel 9:27 symbolic "one week", and the 1260 days God's "two witnesses" in JERUSALEM will prophecy against the beast at the END of this world in our near future.

So that AIN'T just about JEWS, like you Jews are wrongly taught.

The false ORTHODOX JEWISH LEADERS TODAY are those who brainwash the gullible into believing that only the tribes of the "house of Judah" (Judah, Benjamin, and Levi) make up ALL 12 TRIBES OF ISRAEL TODAY. That is a LIE from JEWS. That is also why JEWS wrongly believe the symbolic "woman" of Rev.12 is ONLY ABOUT JEWS, when it is about ALL 12 TRIBES OF ISRAEL, INCLUDING THE 'TEN LOST TRIBES' WHO WERE NEVER KNOWN AS JEWS!

(the Jewish historian Josephus, circa 100 A.D., said the title of JEW comes from the sole tribe of Judah, and those who returned from the Babylon captivity is what they called themselves, including the foreigners that went captive to Babylon with them. This involved ONLY the tribes of Judah, Benjamin, and Levi).

And per Apostle Paul, who said he was a Jew of the tribe of Benjamin, showed Christ's Church is made up of BOTH believing Israelites AND believing Gentiles! So it is shear stupidity for anyone to try and claim the symbolic "woman" that ALSO HAS THE TESTIMONY OF JESUS CHRIST does not involve Christ's Church!!!

Your problem is your blabbing and fixation on a literal nation of Israel. That lens shuts down real spiritual understanding. Sad.

 

[Davy]

Your problem is your blabbing and fixation on a literal nation of Israel. That lens shuts down real spiritual understanding. Sad.

 

[Davy]

THE 2 THESSALONIANS 2 WARNING:

A warning by Apostle Paul that goes with that near future event of Satan and his angels being cast out of Heaven down to this earth IN OUR EARTHLY DIMENSION, is the future great "falling away" event it will cause of many brethren believers.

And right now, some of those brethren that will be deceived by that coming event are right here on this forum, trying... to speak out against... those Bible Witnesses. But don't you be like them brethren in Christ, like Apostle Paul also warned us about in the 2 Corinthians 11 Chapter where Paul said he wants to present us, Christ's Church, as a "chaste virgin" to Jesus when He does come in our near future AFTER all these events by the coming false one. Those are false brethren disguised as believers on Christ, like Apostle Paul pointed to, and even that Satan himself disguises himself as an angel of light.

2 Thess 2:1-8
2 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto Him,
2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.

Paul's subject is the coming of Lord Jesus Christ and His gathering of His faithful Church.

Notice with that "nor by letter as from us", that some among those Thessalonians were passing letters as if written from the Apostles. That reveals that even in Apostle Paul's day, there were false ones, servants of the devil, that were trying to twist the teachings of Christ's Apostles on this matter of when Jesus returns to gather His Church.

3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

Apostle Paul names TWO conditions before Lord Jesus will come to gather His Church.

1. there will be a great "falling away" first, along with that "man of sin" being revealed. And just what... will that "man of sin" do to cause that "falling away"?...

2. that "man of sin" will exalt himself above all that is called... God, or that is worshiped, and AS God he will sit in a new stone temple in Jerusalem that was prophesied for the end per the Book of Daniel. That new stone 3rd temple in Jerusalem will be built by the unbelieving JEWS when that "man of sin" shows up in Jerusalem and proclaims himself as GOD. That event is a requirement of the Daniel 11 placing of the "abomination of desolation" IDOL at that future Jewish temple in Jerusalem.

Some Churches try... to hide that above Scripture meaning, but all for naught because that future event has more than one Bible Witness about the latter day end of this world, like the Book of Daniel, and Christ's Book of Revelation. In Revelation 13, that IDOL for the end is called the "image of the beast".


5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?

Paul had covered all this before when he gave them the proper order of Christ's future return and gathering of His Church. He was having to remind them again because of false crept in unawares trying to distort the Truth, and passing fake letters as if written by the Apostles. And don't be afraid to say it, false... brethren that actually work for the devil hide right among Christ's faithful body of believers. One can easily see who they are by their fruit like Lord Jesus said, and their false fruit especially is rejection of the simplicity of Bible Scripture and its many Witnesses on a matter.

6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

That "mystery of iniquity" is about the "many antichrists", the workers for the devil, the ones who were passing fake letters, and trying to twist the coming of the "day of the Lord" that Paul mentioned.

Even their false teaching that the above "he" that is taken out of the way is The Holy Spirit is a false ploy to get you away from... Paul's actual meaning. In Daniel 10, which is a shadow description of parallel events in Heaven, it shows the one withholding Satan is the Archangel Michael.

Dan 10:21
21 But I will shew thee that which is noted in the scripture of truth: and there is none that holdeth with me in these things, but Michael your prince.
KJV

That is quite a coincidence, because Archangel Michael is who the war in Heaven is with when Satan loses it and Satan and his angels are cast out of Heaven down to our earth in OUR dimension, as written per Revelation 12:7-17.

That has to mean this "man of sin" Paul is pointing to is Satan himself coming. And the devil's stupid idea that The Holy Spirit is the one withholding is so laughable, because it shows those behind that falsehood haven't actually read Mark 13 where Jesus warns some of His elect will be delivered up at the end to give a TESTIMONY by The Holy Spirit against the beast, pointing to the time of "great tribulation." Thus the false Pre-trib Rapture doctors really are not as smart as they think they are, but their followers sure are gullible and don't heed the Bible Scriptures as written either.

8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of His mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of His coming:
KJV

Paul says above that "Wicked" must come first PRIOR to Christ's future coming. That is the ONLY way that Jesus will consume that "Wicked" one with the spirit of His mouth, and destroy him with the brightness of Jesus' coming. And this is the KJV Bible, so notice the translators in the 16th century understood "that Wicked" was most likely Satan himself, and gave him that proper name "Wicked." And if you don't believe that proper name applies only to Satan, then do you know of any other than the devil that is the most wicked one that ever existed?

Yet Apostle Paul still gives us more evidence that he is pointing to Satan himself as that coming "man of sin"...

2 Thess 2:9-10
9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
KJV

Do you recall in Matthew 24:23-26 where Lord Jesus warned about the coming of a singular 'spurious Messiah' (Strong's definition) with the Greek word pseudo-Christos? and that he will work "great signs and wonders", that IF it were possible, would deceive even Christ's very elect?

And likewise with the Revelation 13:11-14 Scripture, about the coming "another beast" at the end working "great wonders", and making fire rain down from heaven in the sight of men? do you recall that Scripture?

They are all about the same one, Satan himself coming to PLAY Messiah with the power of miracles upon this earth in plain sight, and it will deceive those who have NOT listened to GOD in His Word.

So why listen to those false ones that come here working for the devil that try to turn you away from understanding this matter about the coming to earth of Satan and his angels after that war in Heaven?

 

[Jay Ross]

Hello

In answer to the thread title as to when the Satan, and the other heavenly hosts, i.e. the beasts of Daniel 7 including the Little Horn, plus the judged kings of the earth come to the earth, i.e. are released from the bottomless pit where they were imprisoned for many days to await the time of their punishment (Isa 24:21-22) around the year 2045 AD, then if the Bottomless pit is unlocked after 1,000 years, the little while period will begin around the year 3,045 AD.

During the Little While period, which, from my understanding, will last for around 24 years, and during this period will include the great tribulation, before the victory over the forces of evil will be completed and the GWTR judgement will begin.

It should be noted that during the 1,000 years that Satan is locked up in the Bottomless Pit, his "good and faithful" servants, who have been give "loads of Cash" will be working to impede the establishment of God's Everlasting Kingdom.

However, I consider that our worrying about when the Great Tribulation will occur should not be our focus at this present time. Rather we should be focusing on our heart's desires to becoming more and more like Jesus in everything that we do, during the next 1,000 years or so, as this will be the most profitable endeavour that we can become engaged with.

Discussion in this thread is rather pointless as it is focusing on the wrong aspects of living rather than focusing on Christ and His desires for us to become more like Him.

 

[Davy]

Hello

In answer to the thread title as to when the Satan, and the other heavenly hosts, i.e. the beasts of Daniel 7 including the Little Horn, plus the judged kings of the earth come to the earth, i.e. are released from the bottomless pit where they were imprisoned for many days to await the time of their punishment (Isa 24:21-22) around the year 2045 AD, then if the Bottomless pit is unlocked after 1,000 years, the little while period will begin around the year 3,045 AD.

During the Little While period, which, from my understanding, will last for around 24 years, and during this period will include the great tribulation, before the victory over the forces of evil will be completed and the GWTR judgement will begin.

It should be noted that during the 1,000 years that Satan is locked up in the Bottomless Pit, his "good and faithful" servants, who have been give "loads of Cash" will be working to impede the establishment of God's Everlasting Kingdom.

However, I consider that our worrying about when the Great Tribulation will occur should not be our focus at this present time. Rather we should be focusing on our heart's desires to becoming more and more like Jesus in everything that we do, during the next 1,000 years or so, as this will be the most profitable endeavour that we can become engaged with.

Discussion in this thread is rather pointless as it is focusing on the wrong aspects of living rather than focusing on Christ and His desires for us to become more like Him.

Brethren in Christ, discussion with those with false ideas like Jay's post, even with all that fake date setting, is one of those 'fruit' signs Jesus was warning about from the children of darkness.

The Revelation 20 "thousand years" events have NOTHING to do with that war in Heaven of Revelation 12:7 between Satan and his angels vs. Archangel Michael and his angels. Jay is like a broke record 'stuck' in events of Revelation 20 that happen ON THE DAY OF CHRIST'S FUTURE RETURN AND THEREAFTER. What I covered in this Thread is about events that involve the "great tribulation" timing that Jesus warned us about.

The fact that Jay is so disconnected from the events in Revelation 12:7-17 being about the coming time of tribulation that happens PRIOR to Christ's future return, and PRIOR to Satan being locked in his pit prison per Revelation 20, reveals he is just grossly deceived by those Jew's doctrines who have his mind so twisted up. And those datings he provides are Jewish calendar timings is another way to know what his false source is.

 

[Jay Ross]

Brethren in Christ, discussion with those with false ideas like Jay's post, even with all that fake date setting, is one of those 'fruit' signs Jesus was warning about from the children of darkness.

The Revelation 20 "thousand years" events have NOTHING to do with that war in Heaven of Revelation 12:7 between Satan and his angels vs. Archangel Michael and his angels. Jay is like a broke record 'stuck' in events of Revelation 20 that happen ON THE DAY OF CHRIST'S FUTURE RETURN AND THEREAFTER. What I covered in this Thread is about events that involve the "great tribulation" timing that Jesus warned us about.

The fact that Jay is so disconnected from the events in Revelation 12:7-17 being about the coming time of tribulation that happens PRIOR to Christ's future return, and PRIOR to Satan being locked in his pit prison per Revelation 20, reveals he is just grossly deceived by those Jew's doctrines who have his mind so twisted up. And those datings he provides are Jewish calendar timings is another way to know what his false source is.

Oh Davy, your venom is showing as you try to justify your understanding of when the Great Tribulation will occur. You claim that I am disconnected from the events as described in Rev 12:7-17 while you clearly state that the Great Tribulation will occur Prior to Christ's future return, which I agree with, and also PRIOR to Satan being locked in his pit prison per Revelation 20.

You then claim that the "fake dates" that I had provided are based upon Jewish calendar timings without any justification as to why your stated belief is true.

Dr Google suggests that "In Jewish tradition, Adam was created by God on the sixth day of creation (Rosh Hashanah), specifically in the year 3761 BCE." Google Search whereas my own personal study points to the year 4,100 BCE as to when Adam was created. The so called "Fake dates" as you suggest have any real connection to the Jewish Chronology as to when Adam was created. If the starting point for my chronology of the earth's history is very different to what the Jewish Chronology suggests then the dates that I have suggested has nothing to do with the Jewish Calendar at all.

I also referenced Isaiah 24:21-22 to suggest that when God judged the heavenly hosts and the kings of the earth that they are all gathered together in one place and then imprison in a pit for many days to await the time for their punishment.

Now Revelation 20:7-10 also suggests that when Satan is released from the bottomless pit that he goes marching all over the face of the earth.

Now Rev 12:12 tells us that when Satan actually has access to the face of the earth that his time is short. Also, the Luke 19:11-27 tells us that when the "man", i.e. Satan, return that He initially will go after the Israelites because they had rejected him as their master and king over them and when he was not able to achieve this end he then went after the rest of her offspring who have the Testimony of Jesus Christ.

Davy you have claimed that what I have posted above is false yet you show that you have no understanding of the Book of Revelation by claiming that the Great Tribulation will occur before Satan will be imprisoned for 1,000 years. You are failing to see how the various chapters of the Book of Revelation each weave a thread of the story of the Seventh Age into one unified storyline.

You have, in your post, committed the same error as your friend @Douggg has committed by adding another 1,000 years to the duration of the seventh Age.

All of your posts show your disguised dislike for the Jews.

Shalom

 

[Earburner]

The 1st thing to understand, is that the Revelation 12:7 war in Heaven between Archangel Michael and his angels against Satan and his angels, did NOT... happen back in history. It is an event still future to us today. We only need to read that prophecy as written to know this...

Rev 12:7-17
7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.

That idea that Satan and his angel's place will no more be found in the heavenly dimension once that heavenly war happens, is an eye opener showing many doctrines of men about this are simply junk, and made up.

There are only TWO different dimensions of existence written of in all of God's Word, the Heavenly dimension where God and the angels dwell, including where Satan and his angel's place is, and then this earthly dimension in which we live in. The sky atmosphere around the earth, which some confuse because God's Word also refers to it as a heaven, is actually part of our earthly material dimension.

When that Revelation 12:7-8 Scripture says no more place 'in heaven' will be found for Satan and his angels after that war in heaven, it means exactly that. During this present world time Satan is allowed to roam up and down, and in the earth, like he answered God in the Book of Job when God asked him what he'd been up to. And Apostle Peter in 1 Peter 5:8 warned us that Satan still roams about today like a lion, seeking whom he may devour.

But after this war in Heaven, Satan will no longer be allowed to approach God's Throne and accuse us before God. He simply won't be allowed there in Heaven. That means only one other... place he can come, and that is here, on earth, in our earthly dimension, and in plain sight. That is something the world is not prepared for, including most brethren in today's Church.

9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, "Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of His Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

That especially is about the persecution during the coming tribulation by Satan and his of Christ's very elect who are to give a TESTIMONY against the beast at the end of this world. Some of us will be delivered up to give that TESTIMONY by The Holy Spirit like Jesus forewarned in Mark 13. We will overcome Satan and his host on earth by The Blood of The Lamb, Jesus Christ, not loving our lives even to the death, if it comes to that.

12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

That "short time" the devil knows he has is about the latter day "great tribulation" at the end of this present world. Satan will be given to reign over all nations on earth for a period of 42 months, per the Revelation 13:4-8 Scripture.

13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.

14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.

This symbolic "woman" represents BOTH 'houses' of Israel, the "house of Judah" (Jews), and the "house of Israel" (ten lost tribes of Israel). Don't be concerned with those who go against that, because they don't study their Old Testament histories, which the subject about the two separate 'houses' of Israel is written all throughout The Old Testament Scriptures, and even in some places in The New Testament that quotes The Old Testament, like in Hebrews 8 and Hebrews 10.

That "a time, and times, and half a time" is equal to the 1260 days at the end, per the Book of Daniel, and per God's two witnesses that are to appear in Jerusalem at the end, per Revelation 11. It is equivalent to the 42 months reign by Satan and his host at the end.

15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.
16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.

That's a metaphor used by our Lord Jesus Christ. That shows we are to grasp a deeper meaning behind the giving of that, which is how all metaphors, allegories, and parables work.

Why did Lord Jesus use the time of the flood in Noah's day as symbolic for all this working by that old serpent the devil? It is because like Jesus said in Matthew 24, that He shortened the time of the coming tribulation at the end of this world, for His elect's sake. The original prophecy says it will last 1260 days, or 42 months. Jesus changed that. What to?

If you go back into Genesis and look at the actual amount of time that the ark of Noah was upon the 'height' of flood waters, you will notice it was a total of 150 days. Per the old Hebrew calendar of 30 days a month, that 150 days equals a period of "five months". And "five months" is how long the symbolic 'stinging' by the locusts in Revelation 9 is to last upon the deceived. Truly, Lord Jesus has told us all things. We just have to pay attention. Jesus used here the flood waters of Noah's day to represent the LIES to cause deception out of the serpent's mouth, which is a type of attack upon God's people at the end. The time that Noah's ark was upon the 'height' of flood waters represents that 1260 days shortened to "five months."

17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
KJV

Beware of the Pre-tribbers who reject the above being about Christ's Church also. They reject it because of the lie they are taught by charlatans that they will be raptured prior to these tribulation events at the end. Jesus showed His coming to gather His saints will be after... the tribulation (Matthew 24:29-31 and Mark 13:24-27).

Thus the main idea in this latter section of Revelation 12 after the war in Heaven, is that Satan is coming to OUR world, in plain sight, with his angels. Those of us alive then will see him on earth. Even per God's parable in Ezekiel 28, Satan's future destruction will happen ON EARTH. Those who try to convince brethren that Satan was bound at Jesus' cross omit many of these prophecies about the very end, so you will be in danger if you heed those doctrines of men. Stay in God's Word. Check everything out in God's written Word.

Continued...

Actually, it is very simple, when one understands KJV Dan. 9:24 and the Six works of God that Jesus had to perform, establish and "finish". John 17:4.

Satan was "bound" to this earth (which is "the bottomless pit", his "chains of darkness") ever since Jesus' death and resurrection. In other words, Satan and the rebellious angels with him, were booted out of heaven and God's angelic realm, never to live in the Light of God's presence again.
However, he is still alive and well on planet earth, and has been very active non-stop ever since the begining of the time "of great tribulation" in 70 AD.
Rev. 4
[14] And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. Aka. they received the forgiveness of sins, and also received the Gift of God's Holy Spirit.

 

[Davy]

Actually, it is very simple, when one understands KJV Dan. 9:24 and the Six works of God that Jesus had to perform, establish and "finish". John 17:4.

Satan was "bound" to this earth (which is "the bottomless pit", his "chains of darkness") ever since Jesus' death and resurrection. In other words, Satan and the rebellious angels with him, were booted out of heaven and God's angelic realm, never to live in the Light of God's presence again.
However, he is still alive and well on planet earth, and has been very active non-stop ever since the begining of the time "of great tribulation" in 70 AD.
Rev. 4
[14] And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. Aka. they received the forgiveness of sins, and also received the Gift of God's Holy Spirit.

Satan is still NOT BOUND in his pit prison yet today. And that prison is IN THE HEAVENLY dimension, by the way.

The 70 A.D. theory happened because the Church back then saw God's destruction of Jerusalem and the temple by the Roman army, and thought that was a sign that Christ's Kingdom had indeed come then in 70 A.D., but Jesus said in John 18:36 that His Kingdom is NOT... of this world, meaning this present world time, otherwise His servants would have fought to prevent His being delivered up to be crucified. What Lord Jesus brought at His cross was His Kingdom of The Spirit. That... is what He established here on earth at the cross. His literal... Kingdom with Him reigning upon His inherited throne of His flesh father David is when His Physical Kingdom will come. And that will only happen when He takes reign over ALL nations upon this earth, meaning His direct Presence will be here, on earth.

 

[Button]

Somewhere between 66-70 AD is my guess. It is unthinkable to believe that Satan with his angels is still in heaven.

I agree. If Satan were still there,that means every act of Satan against humanity is done because God orders him to act.

I think it would also mean that if Satan hasn't yet fallen, then Satan couldn't be lord of this world where he roams seeking souls to devour.

 

[Davy]

The Revelation 13 Warning About Satan's Coming to Our Earthly Dimension At the End:

Rev 13:4-8
4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, "Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?"

It's important to note that in God's Word when speaking about this 'beast', there exists both a 'beast kingdom', and a 'beast king' who is over it.

But did you notice something else in the above verse, like that reference to that "dragon"? Who is that per God's Word? Per the Revelation 12:9 verse, "dragon" is another one of Satan's titles!

And that above verse says "they worshipped the dragon"! Did The LORD make a mistake and mean they worshiped the beast kingdom? No, the word "dragon" in the Greek there is drakon (NT:1404) which means 'a fabulous kind of serpent'. You do recall "that old serpent" as yet another one of Satan's titles, right?

5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

That "forty and two months" is same timing the Gentiles will be given to tread the holy city per Revelation 11, which is about the end of this world once that new Jewish 3rd temple is built in Jerusalem.

6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.

That was prophesied in the Book of Daniel about the final Antichrist, the "little horn", and "king of fierce countenance", and "vile person", who will destroy at the end of this world using peace. So this is not... simply about a kingdom beast, but the beast king himself. Let's see, didn't back at Revelation 9:11 reveal Satan as that angel of the bottomless pit, and that he is a king?

7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

That has yet to happen today; Satan does not yet have power over ALL... peoples and nations. That is reserved for the time of the end of this world, for the time of "great tribulation".

8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
KJV

The whole world will worship him? All except... Christ's elect whose names are written in the book of life from the foundation of the world. Apostle Paul covered how Satan will work on earth in plain sight when he appears in Jerusalem at the end, sitting in that stone "temple of God" in Jerusalem, working those signs and wonders that will deceive the whole world (2 Thess.2).

There's more about Satan in this Revelation 13 chapter when he comes to our earthly dimension at the end...

Rev 13:11-18
11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.

That means a 2nd beast. But not a kingdom like the one mentioned back in the Revelation 13:1 verse. This is the beast KING.

Who is The Lamb Slain? It is our Lord Jesus Christ. He is compared to a lamb led to the slaughter with His crucifixion at His 1st coming. But this "another beast" is only compared LIKE... a lamb, i.e., LIKE Jesus. But this one will speak as a dragon. Why? It will be because this one IS... the "dragon", i.e., Satan himself on earth in plain sight trying to mimic our Lord Jesus Christ.

12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.

That above verse reveals there was a "deadly wound" upon ONE of the "seven heads" of the beast kingdom. Did you notice back in Revelation 12:3-4 when Satan first rebelled against God, drawing one third of the stars (angels) to earth with him, that he had used an earlier... beast kingdom at that time of old, and it had seven heads, but only seven crowns?

Could this "deadly wound" have been upon that seven head beast of old that Satan originally rebelled with? God ended that old world when Satan originally rebelled in coveting God's Throne. That is likely when the "deadly wound" happened upon one of the "seven heads".

But here in Revelation 13, which is for a 2nd beast kingdom setup on the whole earth by Satan at the end, Jesus is showing us this next beast has its deadly wound healed. What might that signify for the end of this world? I believe it is pointing to Satan's coming to setup his final attempt at a one-world kingdom on earth like he originally rebelled with.


13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

That means a SUPERNATURAL working, not just by some pope or religious honcho, nor some politician. Those miracles are in comparison with the coming pseudo-Christ that Lord Jesus warned us about for the end in Matthew 24:23-26, and by Paul in 2 Thessalonians 2. Both of those Scriptures speak of this miracle working that will deceive many.

15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

No problem. Jesus told us to not fear those who can kill our flesh body, but not our soul (Matt.10:28). If you are not prepared to give your life for Lord Jesus Christ, then you just aren't that serious about your Salvation, at least not at the end of this world when this false-Messiah comes and demands all to bow to him in worship, or be killed.

16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

Very probable that might manifest at the end, but not now. These events are still yet to occur.

18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.
KJV

Satan has the image of man. All the angels have the image of man. That's because per Genesis 1:26, God Himself has that image of man. It's origin comes from the Heavenly dimension.

The number of this particular "man" (Satan), is 666. If you have eyes to see, and ears to hear, then understand that number means the 6th Seal, 6th Vial, and 6th Trumpet. That is when we may expect Satan to set himself up as The Christ in Jerusalem at the end of this world.

 

[Davy]

I agree. If Satan were still there,that means every act of Satan against humanity is done because God orders him to act.

I think it would also mean that if Satan hasn't yet fallen, then Satan couldn't be lord of this world where he roams seeking souls to devour.

That's just more confusion. Is it intentional? Might be, especially that last statement above.

 

[Douggg]

Rev 13:4-8
4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, "Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?"

How Satan will be worshiped is that he will indwell the statue image of the beast-king, making it appear to come alive and speak. When people worship the living statue image, they will unknowingly be worshiping Satan,

When Jesus returns, the statue image will be brought up in flames, turned to ashes, exposing Satan there on the temple mount, fulfilling Ezekiel 28:16-19.

 

[Davy]

Satan As The Beast King Per Revelation 17:

In this Revelation 17 Scripture, it is going to point directly... to Satan as the coming false one to earth, IN OUR EARTHLY DIMENSION. Actually, the previous Bible Scriptures I've covered already has pretty much done that already, especially the Revelation 13:11-13 which reveals he will rain fire down from heaven "in the sight of men". How are these unbelievers here who speak against this in God's Word going to see that fire from heaven if it's not going to happen actually on... this earth?

Those miracles, great signs and wonders, a supernatural working, will be seen by flesh man happening upon this earth. But that won't be our Lord Jesus doing those miracles. Won't be no pope or flesh man either (and no, I am not a Catholic. I am a Protestant Christian).

Rev 17:7-18
7 And the angel said unto me, "Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns.

One must be very careful here with this Revelation 17 Scripture, because it moves back and forth very quickly between descriptions about the beast kingdom and then the beast king.

That symbolic "woman", I will reveal here now. Per the last verse of this Chapter, it defines that symbolic "woman" as the "great city", which is about Jerusalem. Revelation 11:8 where Lord Jesus was crucified revealed Jerusalem as the "great city."

So the kingdom beast that has the seven heads, ten horns, and ten crowns, is carrying that symbolic "woman", the city of Jerusalem.

8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

Change of subject in this verse. This "beast" is about the beast king, the that is to come and rain fire down from heaven in the sight of men.

That beast king "...WAS..., AND IS NOT, AND SHALL ASCEND OUT OF THE BOTTOMLESS PIT, AND GO INTO PERDITION:" Did you get that? At what time is that when he "WAS"? At his original rebellion in the world "of old" when he coveted God's Throne which was his job as a covering cherub to guard. Yes, this is about Lucifer, or Satan.

What about that, "AND IS NOT"? He is not yet in power for that prophesied 42 months of Revelation 13:4-8, but he is coming to do that in our near future.

When he does come, that is how that, "AND SHALL ASCEND OUT OF THE BOTTOMLESS PIT, AND GO INTO PERDITION", will take place for the end of this world!

Do you recall Revelation 11:7 about when God's "two witnesses" finish their 1260 days Testimony, this beast king will ascend out of the bottomless pit to kill them? Did you maybe forget Revelation 13:4-8 that the "dragon" will make war with the saints, and that the title "dragon" is another name for Satan?

Exactly how... do carnal minded folks account for that beast that will ascend out of the bottomless pit being some flesh born man? especially after we were shown in Revelation 9:11 that the Destroyer is the angel over that bottomless pit, and also is a king? How is it that some have such short memories in The Bible Scriptures?

9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.

Change of subject here again maybe? Yep! Now we're back on the subject of the symbolic "woman" (Jerusalem) and the beast kingdom system that supports her. Those "seven heads" are defined as being "seven mountains." Now that seven mountains is not just another symbol, it's the definition for the "seven heads" symbol.

Seven mountains upon this earth? Yes, continents, livable continents. Maybe pointing to the future one-world beast kingdom structure over all the earth?

10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

Uh oh, now the subject has changed back to the idea of the beast king. In past world empires, those beasts also had a king over them. So that idea shouldn't be difficult to grasp here.

John is told about 7 kings.

Five kings have already been past and gone.

One king is, meaning exists in Apostle John's day (emperor Domitian).

The other (the 7th king), is still yet to come, which is about the beast king at the end. When this 7th king does come, he will only have a short time. That's pointing to the shortened time of "great tribulation."


11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

That beast king described earlier that will ascend out of the bottomless pit, he is also the future 8th beast king. When's that gonna' be? Per Revelation 20, after Christ's future "thousand years" reign with His elect over the unsaved nations, Satan will be loosed out of his pit prison to go tempt those nations one final time. He will then lead them upon the "camp of the saints" on earth.

Another important marker given here to 'know' this is about Satan that ascends out that bottomless pit is because we are also told he goes into PERDITION. That means he is already judged and sentenced to perish at the future "lake of fire", called the "second death".

Do YOU... know anyone today born in the flesh, that is already judged to perish in that future "lake of fire"? NO! You do NOT!

One may think... some evil person born in the flesh deserves to perish, but no one born in the flesh has been JUDGED TO PERISH YET TODAY. However, per Matthew 25:41, the lake of fire has already... been prepared for Satan and his angels, showing they have indeed... already been JUDGED TO PERISH. (See also Isaiah 30:33, as "the Assyrian" is also a title which God uses as a type for Satan).

12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.
13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.

When you hear some preach about Rome and ten kings and kingdoms of past history, you can just laugh. What does God's Word say above? The ten horns, which are ten kings, ONLY will come to power at the end with the beast king. The beast king represents the "little horn" of the Book of Daniel that comes up to power among ten kings.

14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for He is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with Him are called, and chosen, and faithful.

The Lamb there of course is Lord Jesus of Nazareth, The CHRIST, Immanuel "God with us."

15 And he saith unto me, "The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.

That Babylon Harlot represents Jerusalem at the end once the false-Messiah takes it over, and Jerusalem will be the ruling city over the whole... world. It will be ground zero headquarters for Satan and his host, and capital of his one-world beast kingdom. Jerusalem is where God has chosen to put His Name there forever. That's why Satan wants Jerusalem also.

16 And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.

These may possibly be supernatural angel kings of Satan's host. They will hate Jerusalem because it belongs to our Heavenly Father, for He has already married Jerusalem (see Ezekiel 16).

17 For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil His will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.

Our Heavenly Father is in control. Study Isaiah 10, which is a chapter that uses "the Assyrian" as a type for Satan. The devil can only work what God allows. And in Joel 2:25, God called the locust army "My great army which I sent among you." If you don't understand why God is allowing these events at the end of this world, then you need to get more into His written Word.

18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.
KJV

There's Christ's definition to symbolic "woman" of this chapter, the Babylon Harlot whore. It's not religion, though it is about Jerusalem in a fallen worship state when the false-Messiah shows up there at the end.