Can One Be Christian and Not Believe In The Trinity?

[Beebster]

WE MUST GET THEM BACK to the BIBLE NOW . GET THEM back to preaching JESUS NOW .

Amen.

And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me. (John 12;32)

I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world. (John 6:51)

And all things HE and later the apostels did teach NOW .

Hallelujah.

For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. (1 Cor 15:21-22)

And he is the propitiation for our sins: and NOT FOR OURS ONLY, but also for the sins of the whole world. (1 John 2:2)

 

[Wrangler]

Let's repeat:
If a person does NOT believe in the Trinity,,,,
he cannot be defined as Christian.

Let's repeat:
If a person does NOT believe in the Trinity,,,,
he cannot be defined as a trinitarian.

And what was your answer of what you call someone who follows Jesus?

 

[Beebster]

heres a simple question .
two apples plus two apples is ...................how many apples . FOUR right .
I bet we all agree on that .

That's right we do.
I like this math thingy.
Let me try:
1 person + 1 person + 1 person = 3 persons right?

Now if another says two apples plus two apples is five , DOES that make it five . NOPE .
So either we beleive its four or we dont . but four is the right answer . not five , n ot six , not three.

Correct.
What if someone says:
1 person + 1 person + 1 person = 1 God?
That would be wrong also because GOD IS SPIRIT!

Jhn 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

 

[amigo de christo]

Amen.

And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me. (John 12;32)

I mam the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world. (John 6:51)


Hallelujah.

For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. (1 Cor 15:21-22)

And he is the propitiation for our sins: and NOT FOR OURS ONLY, but also for the sins of the whole world. (1 John 2:2)

I had a strong hunch . you in dire and deadly grave danger .
Only an inclusivian universalist would have ducked the question
and brought verses Taken out of text to imply that which is of anti christ .
This is far more dangerous than you think .
but this is what men do , they twist to fit what they d esire to believe .
Deadly dangerous . And if my concern was not for your good i would not have warned you so .
but this is the lie that many will buy and more soon will .
No marvel for even pe ter himself had warned
how men took things out of text and done so unto their own destruction .
Your blood be upon you because i failed not to warn you , or others .
So they and your blood is not on me .

 

[amigo de christo]

They will all bow before the great god who came in his own name
and preached only a love that the world would buy .
The sheep shall not heed this god or its love
for its love HAS DENIED the one absolute TRUTH that could have saved them .
And folks think satan cannot say GOD is love . BOY were they wrong .
HE can quoate any scrip verbatum but beware his twist they SHOULD have .
On the great day of all MIGHTY GOD
when the sheep and goats stand before HIM
the goats will wail and realize ON that day , OH dear we should not have served
another jesus , another gospel , one that fed our sins desires and gave us what pleased our f lesh .
ONLY THEN ITS TOO LATE .
My advice , BETTER KNEEL NOW and GET in that bible to learn . SUBMIT to GOD , and not this other god .

 

[Beebster]

SO TELL ME beebster
HOW MANY HERE cliam to BELEIVE THE GOSPEL . i b et you would say you do .

I do.
Do you?

MANY say they do in the christain realm .
THE gospel clearly s tates that TO BE SAVED one must BELIEVE that GOD rose CHRIST from the dead
and confess him by mouth . for with the heart man beleives unto rigtheousness and by confession is salvation .

Do you believe Christ was dead?
Or do you believe he was ALIVE and preaching to
spirits in prison?

SO lets see IF YOU or others HERE REALLY DO BELIEVE THIS .
DO YOU truly as a child beleive the gospel.
IF SO?

Sure let's see.

How come so many now believe GOD is okay with ALL the religoins , THAT In fact
muslims , buddists , and you name it , are all coming to GOD in different ways
THAT IN FACT we all BELIEVE on the same GOD . cause THAT IS A LIE .

I'm not sure why people believe God is ok with all religions.
I dont think all religions believe in the same God.

I do believe all will come to God by the time Christ gives up his reign because that is as scriptural fact.

THEY do NOT beleive the testimony
that GOD gave of the SON . THUS they are calling GOD A LIAR .

You're right. Not many believe that testimony.

 

[Beebster]

I had a strong hunch . you in dire and deadly grave danger .
Only an inclusivian universalist would have ducked the question
and brought verses Taken out of text to imply that which is of anti christ .

First off, That reply was to post 936 in which you didn't ask a single question.

Secondly, what in the world is an "inclusivian universalist."

This is far more dangerous than you think .
but this is what men do , they twist to fit what they d esire to believe .

This from someone who believes 1 + 1 + 1 = 1 ?

Deadly dangerous . And if my concern was not for your good i would not have warned you so .
but this is the lie that many will buy and more soon will .
No marvel for even pe ter himself had warned
how men took things out of text and done so unto their own destruction .
Your blood be upon you because i failed not to warn you , or others .
So they and your blood is not on me .

Fair enough.
Now I'll warn you:

And we have seen and do testify that THE FATHER SENT THE SON to be the Saviour of the world. (1 John 4:14)

Do you believe Jesus Christ to be a failure?

Woe unto you that are full! for ye shall hunger. Woe unto you that laugh now! for ye shall mourn and weep. (Luke 6:25)

 

[TrevorHL]

Greetings again GodsGrace,

You have STILL not posted Psalm 110:1

Please check again, both my post and the top of your post. Early this morning I was using my old Tablet, and had to start Bible Hub and adjust to properly quote from Scripture. I prefer my PC which I use in the afternoon and night where I run Logos8 with quick access to Bible references including many versions. With your experience of RC's is it normal for them not to own a Bible? My last two personal contacts did not own a Bible, even though they were both dedicated RC's. Perhaps you are not very conversant with the Bible.

The following believe in Jesus.
Are they CHRISTIAN?

You still seem to be stuck on your particular definition of "Christian". Do you endorse ALL the wrong doctrines of the RCC and other Trinitarian Churches? The quest is for true Christianity, the fellowship of Jesus and the Apostles. As far as I am aware my present beliefs and fellowship are as close as possible to this standard. These beliefs cover ALL aspects of the Gospel and ALL aspects of the Way of Life in Christ.

Kind regards
Trevor

 

[Lambano]

Reformation forever?
What does it mean?

Always reforming.

Christianity has redefined itself many times the centuries. And we're in a crisis period now when it's likely to redefine itself again.

 

[GodsGrace]

That wasn't so hard to admit was it?
When put that way, you are not in violation of board rules.

Beebster
I've been saying this for 47 pages now.
I'll try again:
If a person does not believe in orthodox Christianity, which includes the Trinity,
they cannot define themselves as Christian.

That does sound partial though and we did have a conversation about partiality earlier.

Not true. It means you don't believe the orthodox view.

No sir.
Let's try AGAIN.
But the other way around:

If you have a hererodox view of Christianity
your doctrine will NOT line up with Christian teaching -
which is orthodox -
and thus you cannot define yourself as Christian.

No such thing as a heterodox Christian.
That would be like being MUSLIM
but not believing in MUHAMMAD.

There is only ONE Christian religion.
It's orthodox.

You can say heterodox Christian you know.

See reply above.

I'd like you to show me where the apostles defined the word "trinity."

Sir,
God is show to be plural all throughout the bible.
Since there is only one God....
And Jesus displayed qualities/attributes that only God has,,,
then it had to be explained.
The explanation is the Trinity.

This is a simple concept.

Let's say you have a tummy ache.
You DO have a tummy ache.

You just don't know yet that it's called AN ULCER.

Same.

Still true that I'm not Christian?

You believe Jesus is God?
Why are we debating?
Do you believe Jesus BECAME God?
Not good enough.

924 was by you and what prompted this discussion.

Post no. 924 has BOTH the other member's reply
and my reply.

It explains perfectly why we are not allowed to change ANY
Christian tenet.

Example:
I state that Jesus was God and I believe in the Trinity.
BUT
I do not believe Jesus resurrected or that He died for the sins of the world.

Am I Christian?

 

[GodsGrace]

JEHOVAH WITNESSES
CHRISTIAN SCIENCE
LATTER DAY SAINTS
UNITARIANISM
BAHA'I
You asked a question . now prepare for the answer and prepare to weep .
NO THEY ARE NOT . this is not me condmening them , its me speaking the truth .
And that list IS longer than this one .
You are correct about what has come upon christainanity my friend .
Its now all about WHAT I believe or tony beleives or sally beleives , IT IS NOT ABOUT THE T RUTH AT ALL anymore .
GET THEM IN THE BIBLE . FOR the love of all that is holy we have to get them in the bible
and we have to warn this people of this most deadly delusion that has crept in under the guise
of tolerance , of love , of unity , of ecumeincism and all .
GUESS who the new god is , The god of the mi rror . ITS all about the person and his her beleifs .
NOT ABOUT WHAT GOD SAYS , NOT ABOUT THE TRUTH , cause doctrine, WELL that dont matter anymore .
WE got duped bad sister . real bad . the sheep must do as jude once called the church to do .
STAND UP and CONTEND for true faith NOW , while there still be time to do so .
Cause a massive amount of false ones have not only crept in , SISTER THEY LEAD THIS PEOPLE now .

Yes sir.
The Christian religion - and I DO say religion -
is being attacked from within.
Time to go to the trenches !

 

[GodsGrace]

The question that begs to be asked and answered is
WHO decides what the tenents are .
The answer GOD DID , CHRIST DID , the aposetles kept and taught them and delivered them unto the people .
Get them IN the bible .
And let us take note . IF it is written in the bible , THEN BELEIVE IT .
SO lets start with this .
IN the beginning was THE WORD
and the WORD was with GOD
and the WORD was ....................................not a god , BUT GOD .
IT IS WRITTEN and thus let no man woman or child say otherwise . IF Even they dont understand it , BELIEVE IT
understanding comes in time and specially the more we read that bible and Go to GOD in prayer .
But if it is already written in the scriptures . BELIEVE IT and NEVER twist it .

Amen to that !

We either believe the written word or not.
We either beleive the Apostles or not.
We either believe what the early church taught or not.

John was still alive at the time of the early church.
John wrote his gospel to show that Jesus is God.

The pushback comes from those that wish to change Christianity.

 

[soberxp]

You'll have to explain what it means to be made in the image of God.

What it means to be made in the image of God?
Jesus Christ obey the will of God not the will of himself, that's called the image of God.

Since Adam and Eve not obey the word of God, they are not the image of God anymore......and lost life.

Jesus Christ is the image of God, so you thinking he is God..... That's not right not wrong,but never understand what is the image of God anymore.......

If you see Jesus Christ then you see the father, you see the God but the image of God that Jesus Christ shows it to you,because of God made the first Adam in the image of himself.

Jesus Christ shows what was the Adam made by God in his own image.
Who is the second Adam?

And what is the meaning of God said :"made in our image?"

The second Adam around with God and God said :"made in our image"

The first will be the last, the last will be the first.

 

[GodsGrace]

Let's repeat:
If a person does NOT believe in the Trinity,,,,
he cannot be defined as a trinitarian.

No Sir.
If a person does NOT accept the Trinity - which explains why Jesus is God -
then he cannot be defined as Christian.

Jesus is God.
Jesus is uncreated and always existed.

THIS is the most basic Christian tenet,,,

And what was your answer of what you call someone who follows Jesus?

I don't know what you're speaking about.

This is what I state:
Following Jesus does not a Christian make.

Question is: WHO is that Jesus?
Is He the Jesus of the NT?
Or is He a different Jesus?

The Jesus of the NT is the Jesus Christians know.


2 Corinthians 11:4
4 For if [a]one comes and preaches another Jesus whom we have not preached, or you receive a different spirit which you have not received, or a different gospel which you have not accepted, this you tolerate very well!

Paul is scolding the Corinthians for putting up with teaching of a DIFFERENT JESUS.

 

[soberxp]

No Sir.
If a person does NOT accept the Trinity - which explains why Jesus is God -
then he cannot be defined as Christian.

Jesus is God.
Jesus is uncreated and always existed.

THIS is the most basic Christian tenet,,,


I don't know what you're speaking about.

This is what I state:
Following Jesus does not a Christian make.

Question is: WHO is that Jesus?
Is He the Jesus of the NT?
Or is He a different Jesus?

The Jesus of the NT is the Jesus Christians know.


2 Corinthians 11:4
4 For if [a]one comes and preaches another Jesus whom we have not preached, or you receive a different spirit which you have not received, or a different gospel which you have not accepted, this you tolerate very well!

Paul is scolding the Corinthians for putting up with teaching of a DIFFERENT JESUS.

It is the Trinitarians who have preached another Jesus and another gospel.

 

[Marvelloustime]

They will all bow before the great god who came in his own name
and preached only a love that the world would buy .
The sheep shall not heed this god or its love
for its love HAS DENIED the one absolute TRUTH that could have saved them .
And folks think satan cannot say GOD is love . BOY were they wrong .
HE can quoate any scrip verbatum but beware his twist they SHOULD have .
On the great day of all MIGHTY GOD
when the sheep and goats stand before HIM
the goats will wail and realize ON that day , OH dear we should not have served
another jesus , another gospel , one that fed our sins desires and gave us what pleased our f lesh .
ONLY THEN ITS TOO LATE .
My advice , BETTER KNEEL NOW and GET in that bible to learn . SUBMIT to GOD , and not this other god .

@amigo de christo

 

[Marvelloustime]

So much for this other so called gods love now . WE BEEN DUPED folks . EITHER WE BELEIVE GOD or we dont
AND IF WE BELIEVE GOD we would have BELIEVED HIS CHRIST , HIS GOSPEL , HIS WORDS . i shun the all inclusive
ecmeincal false love doctrine to the pits of darkness from whence it sprang . JESUS PREAC HING TIME .

@amigo de christo

 

[Marvelloustime]

heres a simple question .
two apples plus two apples is ...................how many apples . FOUR right .
I bet we all agree on that .
Now if another says two apples plus two apples is five , DOES that make it five . NOPE .
So either we beleive its four or we dont . but four is the right answer . not five , n ot six , not three.
SO TELL ME beebster
HOW MANY HERE cliam to BELEIVE THE GOSPEL . i b et you would say you do .
MANY say they do in the christain realm .
THE gospel clearly s tates that TO BE SAVED one must BELIEVE that GOD rose CHRIST from the dead
and confess him by mouth . for with the heart man beleives unto rigtheousness and by confession is salvation .
SO lets see IF YOU or others HERE REALLY DO BELIEVE THIS .
DO YOU truly as a child beleive the gospel.
IF SO
How come so many now believe GOD is okay with ALL the religoins , THAT In fact
muslims , buddists , and you name it , are all coming to GOD in different ways
THAT IN FACT we all BELIEVE on the same GOD . cause THAT IS A LIE .
THEM false religions DO NOT BLEIEVE JESUS IS THE CHRIST , the SON OF GOD
SO let me make a a few statements and YOU SEE if YOU REALLY DO BELIEVE JESUS , HIS GOSPEL .
THEM false religoins DO NOT serve the same GOD WE DO .THEY do NOT beleive the testimony
that GOD gave of the SON . THUS they are calling GOD A LIAR .
now if that seems hateful , read JOHN padnah . HE SAID IT . and he e ven says
WHO is a liar but he who DENEIS JESUS IS THE CHRIST , HE IS ANTI CHRIST .
but today they say DONT JUDGE , DONT JUDGE them , they good people in all religoins
THEY love GOD too . OOPS i guess what they really beleive AIINT THE GOSPEL
IT IS UNBELIEF . EITHER YOU BLEIEVE IT OR ya dont , but it cant be BOTH . its unbelif .

@amigo de christo

 

[GodsGrace]

Greetings again GodsGrace,

Please check again, both my post and the top of your post. Early this morning I was using my old Tablet, and had to start Bible Hub and adjust to properly quote from Scripture. I prefer my PC which I use in the afternoon and night where I run Logos8 with quick access to Bible references including many versions. With your experience of RC's is it normal for them not to own a Bible?

Catholics do not study the bible - generally speaking.

My last two personal contacts did not own a Bible, even though they were both dedicated RC's. Perhaps you are not very conversant with the Bible.

Are you serious?
Have I not been posting SCRIPTURE to you and explaining it all along?

Because YOU do not agree with scripture
means YOU are wrong...
not scripture.

Do you think I'm Catholic?
Not that there's anything wrong with it.

I believe there's an insult here somewhere, but we'll let it go.
Please just reply to my posts AND WITH SCRIPTURE.

You still seem to be stuck on your particular definition of "Christian".

AGAIN
It's not MY definiton.
The CHURCH defined Christianity 2 thousand years ago.
The APOSTLES taught that Jesus is God.
The APOSTLES taught that the Holy Spirit is God.
They are both GOD and PERSON.
They are both a divine BEING.
Since there is only ONE GOD....the plurality of God must be explained.
The trinity does this.

Do you endorse ALL the wrong doctrines of the RCC and other Trinitarian Churches?

In case you haven't yet understood Trevor....
ALL Christian churches teach the Trinity.
If the Trinity is not believed, it is NOT a Christian church.

It might think it is....
but it is NOT.

And you really should keep any particular denomination out of this.
The Catholic Church believes Christian tenets.
It is a Christian church.

The quest is for true Christianity, the fellowship of Jesus and the Apostles. As far as I am aware my present beliefs and fellowship are as close as possible to this standard. These beliefs cover ALL aspects of the Gospel and ALL aspects of the Way of Life in Christ.

Well, Muslims also believe in Jesus and the Injl, which is the gospel.

Are THEY Christian?

If not, WHY not?


Because they are not following the tenets of what defines the crhistian faith/religion.

 

[GodsGrace]

Always reforming.

Christianity has redefined itself many times the centuries. And we're in a crisis period now when it's likely to redefine itself again.

It would be interesting to discuss the changes....
but we won't.

However, one of the changes CANNOT be that Jesus is not God.
That would be the end of the Christian faith---religion, as I've learned to say.

And the only way to explain that HE IS, (God) is through the Trinity.