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GodsGrace

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That's a good question.
I think gender transitioning is a bigger issue at school. The other kids like to label each other.
This was already happening when I was in school 60 yrs ago. Boys were labeled as gay or fem.

The church can help children deal with these issues from a Christian perspective.
Looking at both the positive and negative aspects.
But I don't understand HOW a church could really help anyone.
I've been involved IN the church.
I don't see a mechanism for this help to be offered.

I think that even Christians are at the mercy of society.
I'm sorry to have to say this but I believe it to be true.
How can a child navigate feelings of gender dysphoria or same-sex attraction?
Calling it sin, or demon possession is not very helpful.
Agreed.

But then on the other side we have actual pastors stating that homsosexual ACTIVITY is not sinful.
Not sinful to live with one of the SS.
NOTHING is a sin to them and how they understand scripture...
stating that the very term homos meant something different in OT times.

Wouldn't that be equivalent to making a statement that it's OK to be married and have affairs?
Aren't heteros also held to a standard in the Christian religion?

(and yes I think we need to get back to calling it RELIGION and not FAITH because it's two totally different ideas).
 

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We never finished our convo about God creating evil.

It's important because it helps to understand these problems.
That's very controversial. There are arguments on both sides of the issue.
My position is that God is sovereign over all creation.
He didn't create evil, but He did create the possibility for it to happen.
Persons are born homosexual due to a defect in the DNA or Chromosones, or whatever the defect is.
This defect I attribute to the sin nature which has affected everything.

The fall of Adam caused all of nature to be affected:
Man and Nature.
There is evil in everything...
there is disorder in everything.

Including our sexuality.
Fair enough.
We are also born with many fine attributes too.
Genetics and family bloodlines play a part as well.

Many of the issues we face show up unannounced.
A person with gender dysphoria has a realization that they are different.
But they usually have no idea why. And are fearful to share with anyone.

This is where the church can help. If a youth pastor talks to youth about it,
a child in that situation will not feel alone and will probably confide in someone.

But if the church claims it is sin and demonic influence, the child will keep it to themselves.
They will be trapped in a private life. Homosexuality used to be like that. Still is somewhat.
 
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St. SteVen

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A girl that is a tomboy is a girl that knows she's a girl and accepts it but she has boy-like qualities.
A TomBoy may reject being a girl. No dresses, or playing with dolls.
A PinkBoy may be interested in dresses and playing with dolls.
A pinkboy goes to counselling because he thinks he's female.
More likely WANTS to be female. Rejecting his maleness.
This leads to transgenderism.
 

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This is where the church can help. If a youth pastor talks to youth about it,
a child in that situation will not feel alone and will probably confide in someone.

But if the church claims it is sin and demonic influence, the child will keep it to themselves.
They will be trapped in a private life. Homosexuality used to be like that. Still is somewhat.
There are risks involved too.
An angry parent may object to a teaching that gender dysphoria is a hormonal imbalance at birth.
Conservative politics have been very damaging to the realities of these issues.
We see it right here on this forum topic.
 

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There are risks involved too.
An angry parent may object to a teaching that gender dysphoria is a hormonal imbalance at birth.
Conservative politics have been very damaging to the realities of these issues.
We see it right here on this forum topic.
Stop parroting woke LGBT buzz words as if you had a PHD in medicine. I am sure the ex navy seal, Chris Beck didn't have a "hormone imbalance" before he started transitioning. The guy served for 20 years and was highly decorated.
 

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Seems to me that a person would not CHOOSE to be such due to reaction and non-acceptance from society.
it's accepted now...but do you remember a few decades ago? It would cause some to even commit suicide.
The damage begins early. A boy growing up without a father in the house often causes boy to identify with mom, which can lead to confusing feelings and perceptions, who then encounters this culture assuring him that this is normal, and "you were born that way".

Much love!
 

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St. SteVen said:
There are risks involved too.
An angry parent may object to a teaching that gender dysphoria is a hormonal imbalance at birth.
Conservative politics have been very damaging to the realities of these issues.
We see it right here on this forum topic.
Stop parroting woke LGBT buzz words as if you had a PHD in medicine. I am sure the ex navy seal, Chris Beck didn't have a "hormone imbalance" before he started transitioning. The guy served for 20 years and was highly decorated.
Thanks for proving my point.
Back to my example. What would you do?

Let's say there's a wonderful Christian family in your church.
At some point in adolescence one of their children realizes they are different.
Since an early age they have been attracted to same sex relationships.
Social pressures are pushing them toward opposite sex relationships.
This causes a crisis in the child and in the family.
The church is unsupportive, so they leave the church.
 

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The damage begins early. A boy growing up without a father in the house often causes boy to identify with mom, which can lead to confusing feelings and perceptions, who then encounters this culture assuring him that this is normal, and "you were born that way".
Agree.
That could be a cause as well.
How do you deal with it?
 

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Illegitimate children in this case. - LOL
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You can talk negative all day in this thread and I promise I won't say a word...

Those speaking in favor of the gay agenda are the ones the Lord will judge harshly for promoting and supporting what the Lord call abomination.

So in the end those speaking against gay rights are not the ones speaking negatively.

2 Timothy 3:1-5
This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
 

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Stop parroting woke LGBT buzz words as if you had a PHD in medicine. I am sure the ex navy seal, Chris Beck didn't have a "hormone imbalance" before he started transitioning. The guy served for 20 years and was highly decorated.

So he went from being honorable to being a pervert who is rejected by the Lord. Sad.


Calling it sin, or demon possession is not very helpful.

Yeah the demons say such things as this to try and legitimize sexual perversion

Those that don't know the Lord or His Word claim sexual perversion is not sinful, but they are bring taught by demons and arer teaching doctrines of demons.

Leviticus 18:22
Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination

Leviticus 20:13
If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

Genesis 19 Read this chapter

Romans 1:18-32
18) For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
19) Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
20) For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
21)Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
22)Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
23)And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
24)Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
25)Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
26)For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27)And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
28)And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
29)Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
30)Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31)Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
32)Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

2 Timothy 3:1-5
This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

Jude 1:
Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

Those who advocate homosexuality use passages such as 2 Samuel 1:26 to support their position. It states that David and Jonathan had a relationship that surpassed the love of women. This is not referring to sexual love, however, but to a special friendship they had which exceeded or was different from any kind of sexual relationship. David and Jonathan would have been stoned under Levitical law had they been homosexuals (Lev. 18:22; 20:13).

God also condemns homosexuality in Genesis 19. Pro-homosexuals respond that the sin of Sodom was not homosexuality, but rape. However, the Sodomites did not initially force Lot’s male guests to have sex with them, but just by them mentioning it, Lot urged them not to do such a “wicked” thing (19:4-8). Other ancient sources such as Josephus and the New Testament (Jude 7) confirm that the sin of Sodom was homosexuality.

Additionally, Romans 1:21-32 and 1 Corinthians 6:9-11 clearly condemn lesbianism and homosexuality (cf., 1 Tim. 1:9,10). Homosexual advocates reply that Romans 1 refers only to phallic cults who committed idolatry. Along with 1 Corinthians 6, they claim that God is simply condemning excessive and promiscuous sex, not a dedicated relationship between two homosexuals.

First, let me say that if it were true that God is only condemning promiscuity, 90 to 99 percent of all homosexuals would fall into this category! According to recent studies, only about 1 out of 7 homosexuals have had fewer than 50 partners in their lifetime, and 99 percent of the male homosexuals interviewed have had sex with complete strangers! Nevertheless, the context of Romans and Corinthians affirm that homosexuality is completely unnatural (Rom. 1:26,27).

When categorized with the other sins mentioned in these passages, there is no such thing as a moderate form of homosexuality any more than there could be moderate form of murder or adultery. Finally, the Bible condemns all types of fornication which would therefore include homosexuality (Matthew 15:19; Mark 7:21; John 8:41; Acts 15:20,29: Gal. 5:19-21; 1 Thes. 4:3; Heb. 13:4).
 

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Here you go.


I think the point is:
Condoning Homosexuality VS accepting sinners to hear the gospel Truth.

Some “churches” do “condone” homosexuality…

IMO- it is “rooted” in greed to fill the pews and fatten the coffers.
 

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Agree.
That could be a cause as well.
How do you deal with it?

Tough answer…

A start would to be to stop glamorizing multiple partners, fathers who are sperm doners, rather than part of the family unit.

Teaching, children …cute, cool car, charm, fancy house, popular, etc. is the measure of character and a potential mate is hogwash.
 
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