Is Revelation 20:1-6 really a recap?

[rwb]

The Amil reading, as far as I can tell. Revelation 19:1-21--future still. Thus no recap. Revelation 20:1-6---the present---thus a recap. Revelation 20:7-15--future still. Thus no recap. If Revelation 20:1-6 is a recap, where before 20 ch does it support it?

David, I'm Amillennial but I don't believe Rev 19 is future.

IMO vss. 1-10 symbolically depict a vision John is shown of heaven after Christ came to earth a man, and through His cross and resurrection salvation and the spiritual Kingdom of God came to man. (Rev 12:10) That's why there are many people in heaven, they are the old covenant faithful spiritual body of Christ, living souls made alive through the Spirit of Christ who ascended to heaven with Christ. (Eph 4:-8-10) Christ through His cross and resurrection judged the great whore that had become an abomination unto God and their house left desolate. The great whore symbolically represents Israel as spiritually the Church of Old before the advent of Christ, mostly fallen from grace through spiritual adultery and harlotry. Salvation could not come for the faithful saints of Old until Christ came to earth a man, made atonement for sin and defeated death.

Revelation 19:1-3 (KJV) And after these things I heard a great voice of much people in heaven, saying, Alleluia; Salvation, and glory, and honour, and power, unto the Lord our God: For true and righteous are his judgments: for he hath judged the great whore, which did corrupt the earth with her fornication, and hath avenged the blood of his servants at her hand. And again they said, Alleluia. And her smoke rose up for ever and ever.

The great whore who was of their father the Devil was cast out of heaven and to the earth his demonic hosts being cast out with him. Salvation had come, and the kingdom of God, and the power of Christ, the accuser could no longer accuse the redeemed saints of old as he had before Christ came to earth, as he had Job. God's servants of old have been avenged through the blood of the Lamb. The Covenant promise to redeem them from death fulfilled. They went from Covenant promise of old to Covenant fulfillment through Christ. They are no longer waiting under the altar but are now with the Lord in heaven a spiritual body, living souls. (Rev 6:9-11)

Revelation 12:10 (KJV) And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

(see 1Cor 15:44-50)

The next part of the vision given John of heaven continues to describe what John saw in heaven. All, twenty-four elders, and the four beasts worshipping God as John hears praise of all His servants that fear Him. They resemble the voice of a great multitude saying, "Alleluia: for the Lord God reigns". The marriage of the Lamb for the old Covenant faithful saints had come, his wife (not yet His bride) of old made ready. "Arrayed in fine linen, clean and white - the righteousness of the saints." Then John is told to write "Blessed they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb", at which time the marriage between the bride and Christ will be consummated, be made complete, perfect.

Revelation 19:4-9 (KJV) And the four and twenty elders and the four beasts fell down and worshipped God that sat on the throne, saying, Amen; Alleluia. And a voice came out of the throne, saying, Praise our God, all ye his servants, and ye that fear him, both small and great. And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of mighty thunderings, saying, Alleluia: for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth. Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready. And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints. And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.

Under the Old Covenant when a woman was betrothed to become a wife, there was a waiting period of up to one year before the wedding would take place and the marriage supper partaken of. The betrothed of Old was prepared for the wedding feast but would not become the adorned bride of Christ before the fullness of the Kingdom of God in heaven was complete. And that will not be until the last trumpet sounds that Christ has come again.

Revelation 21:1-2 (KJV) And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

Revelation 21:9 (KJV) And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife.

Very briefing, the remaining verses 10-21 depict all that has been and is coming to pass upon the earth since heaven was opened by Christ, ending with the victory of Christ and His armies. The white horse symbolizing Christ who is faithful and true, followed by His faithful armies of saints (believers/Christians) who spiritually are in heaven. (Heb 12:23; Eph 1:3-5) In the end of days there will be great spiritual battle between the beast and the kings of the earth and their armies, against Christ and His armies, and the beast, and false prophet who deceived the whole earth shall be cast alive into the lake buring with fire and brimstone.

Revelation 19:10-21 (KJV) And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See (thou do it) not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy. And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. His eyes (were) as a flame of fire, and on his head (were) many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. And the armies (which were) in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. And he hath on (his) vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS. And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God; That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all (men, both) free and bond, both small and great. And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army. And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone. And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which (sword) proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.

 

[Truth7t7]

I tend to think that you are completely lacking in discernment when it comes to this subject. The text in Revelation 9 attributes the plagues referenced in Revelation 9:20 to the four angels bound at the great river Euphrates, not the two witnesses.

The plagues referenced in 9:20 are directly attached to "God" who's calling the shots, the "Trumps" and "Vials" are parallel teachings of the exact same events

The (Two Witnesses) will stand before (The Beast) and world bringing all plagues as often as they will, is Revelation 9:14 & Revelation 16:12 the same event? 100% "Yes"! scripture interprets itself

Revelation 11:6 teaches that the (Two Witnesses) have power over the waters in turning them to blood, just as Moses/Aaron did to Pharaoh of Egypt "Literally"!

Revelation 11:6KJV
6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.

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Revelation 16:1-9KJV​

1 And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the seven angels, Go your ways, and pour out the vials of the wrath of God upon the earth.
2 And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them which worshipped his image.
3 And the second angel poured out his vial upon the sea; and it became as the blood of a dead man: and every living soul died in the sea.
4 And the third angel poured out his vial upon the rivers and fountains of waters; and they became blood.
5 And I heard the angel of the waters say, Thou art righteous, O Lord, which art, and wast, and shalt be, because thou hast judged thus.
6 For they have shed the blood of saints and prophets, and thou hast given them blood to drink; for they are worthy.
7 And I heard another out of the altar say, Even so, Lord God Almighty, true and righteous are thy judgments.
8 And the fourth angel poured out his vial upon the sun; and power was given unto him to scorch men with fire.
9 And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory.
10 And the fifth angel poured out his vial upon the seat of the beast; and his kingdom was full of darkness; and they gnawed their tongues for pain,
11 And blasphemed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, and repented not of their dee
12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.

Revelation 9:14-15KJV
14 Saying to the sixth angel which had the trumpet, Loose the four angels which are bound in the great river Euphrates.
15 And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men.

 

[Truth7t7]

David, I'm Amillennial but I don't believe Rev 19 is future.

You don't believe the scripture below represents the Lords "Future" Second Coming?

Revelation 19:11-16KJV
11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, King Of Kings, And Lord Of Lords.

You don't believe the scripture below represents the "Future" final judgement and eternal lake of fire?

Revelation 19:20KJV
20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

Revelation 20:10-15KJV
10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

 

[ScottA]

Though, I see your point, and it is an interesting point at that, that is still not the same as He Himself being bodily upon the earth and that everyone can see He is bodily present the same way everyone could see He was bodily present when He walked the earth 2k years ago, for example. You don't perhaps think He will never bodily return do you?

He did say, "A little while longer and the world will see Me no more, but you will see Me. Because I live, you will live also" (John 14:19).

Which I take as being a matter of "rightly dividing the word of truth"--dividing between this old earth and heaven. Which then one would have to factor in "that where I am, there ye may be also" (John 14:3).

For which...I don't see where you get Him returning bodily in the flesh as He first came walking the earth. But for one group of passages to seemingly saying one thing, while another group of passages would seem to be saying something else--would be cause for a better reconciliation of all scripture.

 

[Randy Kluth]

You say mortal nations on earth that will no longer fail but they do fail don’t they?

Our spiritual reigning never ends

Yes, if we reign with Christ now, in the matter of Spiritual Salvation, then our reign will never end. But I can't characterize our victory now as a "reign," because the Kingdom has not yet come. In the book of Revelation, ch. 11, the Kingdom comes in the future. And Jesus said that the Kingdom is "near," but not yet "here."

Yes, mortal nations on earth do fail presently. I'm suggesting that they will not fail in the age of the Kingdom--not because they have become perfect yet, but only because they no longer have Satan opposing them.

What is it that constitutes success in the next age that isn't happening in the present age? The promises God made to Abraham is that he would have Israel and many nations carrying on his tradition of faith in God. In the present age, we've had both Israel and many nations carrying the tradition of faith in God. But they don't last. In the next age I believe they will last, despite the final opposition that Satan will bring.

 

[Randy Kluth]

Not true. Deception is rampant in the Premil millennium because there are countless people that reject Christ in their heart and are forced to give feigned worship in Jerusalem to Christ or they will be swiped with Christ's rod of iron? You have the greatest battle in history at the end of the pre-millennial millennium, when the wicked under the command of Satan surround Christ and the glorified saints as a sand of the sea. Your millennium of bliss is a total bust! It is a sham. I am glad it will never occur.

You just sound overly angry about there being other opinions. Am I wrong? Personally, I have no problem with you believing as you do. But I try to avoid characterizing your view in provocative terms.

My view of the Millennium is one of peace among nations. There has been peace among nations even in the present era, with flawed Christian nations and even with the presence of pagan nations. Peace is sometimes achievable. But with Satan bound in the Millennium, peace is imposed upon the world until after the 1000 years is up.

The Premillennial millennium culminates in the greatest global uprising in history from the four corners of the earth as “the sand of the sea” against the “camp of the saints.”

Yes, the final rebellion takes place *after* the 1000 years. I have no idea how long it takes to transpire. How long did it take for Adam's descendants to fall into total anarchy? It apparently took some time. But in the case of this final rebellion it is characterized as a relatively "short time."

Rev 20.3 He threw him into the Abyss, and locked and sealed it over him, to keep him from deceiving the nations anymore until the thousand years were ended. After that, he must be set free for a short time.

So, you are mischaracterizing my position. It is not *during the 1000 years that the rebellion takes place, but *after that* period of time that the rebellion shapes up and takes place. Yes, sin continues to exist in mankind all through the Millennial Age, just as it does today. But Satanic influence has been mitigated, and there is less pressure for international relations to explode into conflicts.

Therefore, it won't take long after Satan is released at the end of the 1000 years for trouble to erupt again internationally. How quickly large-scale wars have erupted in our current history. It will be no different after the release of Satan at the end of the 1000 years.

 

[ewq1938]

Paul stated that he reigned in life and still physically died buy he still lived spiritually

He did not reign over the nations as promised in Rev 19, and Rev 20 shows people who died in the trib resurrecting and reigning with Christ. None of that applies to Paul because he lived and died before the events of Rev 19-20. He also has not been resurrected.

 

[Randy Kluth]

Your cry is "what saith Revelation 20." That is the Premil mantra. Every other passage presented is dismissed if it disagrees with your opinion of Revelation 20. Premil has only got one string to their guitar. That is why every Bible student should reject it. Amils on the other hand embrace the full gamut of Scripture which shows that sin, death, decay, Satan and the wicked are destroyed at the second coming.

Amils prefer the motto of Paul in Apostle in Romans 4:3: “For what saith the Scripture?"

We agree on the importance of Scripture. As I've told you many times, the Millennium is based not so much on the mention of a "thousand years" in Rev 20, but more on the existence of a mortal world following the Return of Christ. He returns to the earth and establishes the Kingdom of God. And that Kingdom is described as a mortal Kingdom in the OT Prophets.

We do agree, however, that the Kingdom Christ will come back and establish will be a "world without end." (I was raised an Amil Lutheran--it was part of our liturgy.)

 

[ewq1938]

Thus I used the great chain the truth and power of scripture to bind satan that’s one reason I know we are in the thousand year binding and reigning I actually experienced it that how I know my view is truth

Why didn't you use the spiritual key in Rev 20 to lock satan in the pit prison? Why would you only "bind" him? Why is satan not locked in that prison? He shouldn't even be around to be "bound" by you if this is the 1000 years because Rev 20 says he is bound at the very same time the 1000 years happens yet in your 1000 years he is actively attacking Christians who have to "bind" him themselves which does not imprison him at all. It's like catching a murderer then not locking him in jail.

 

[ewq1938]

So, you are mischaracterizing my position. It is not *during the 1000 years that the rebellion takes place, but *after that* period of time that the rebellion shapes up and takes place.

Rebellion is all through the Amill Millennium. They don't like to admit that. There is zero rebellion in the Premill Millennium, and zero rebellion in Rev 20's Millennium. Rebellion in the Millennium only exists in the Amill Millennium.

 

[Davidpt]

Three times I have been terrorized in the middle of the night by demonic beings. It was so frightening that I also experienced sleep paralysis I could feel the demonic presence all around me.

Each time was different with one event a spirit of fear another a spirit of trickery and finally I was suffocating. It was only claiming the authority of scripture that helped me.

Thus I used the great chain the truth and power of scripture to bind satan that’s one reason I know we are in the thousand year binding and reigning I actually experienced it that how I know my view is truth

But if he is already bound according to you, it seems absurd to have to bind him yet again. I'm not saying your experience was not real. I believe you 100%. I'm saying it makes zero sense to bind someone that is already bound. Therefore, satan is not already bound, otherwise you would not have needed to bind him some more. That gives the impression that satan gets loose all the time and needs to be bound again. Except how can satan get free from his restraint if his restraint is for 1000 years? Well 2000 years and counting if you are an Amil.

Your experience undeniably proves that satan is not bound. Yet somehow you think it proves he is bound. I can't figure that logic out?

 

[TribulationSigns]

Premillennialists have been screaming that since the early years of TV hucksters like Jerry Falwell, Jim Bakker, and Pat Robertson, Gary Hunt, and the fables of the late, Great Planet Earth and Left Behind books and movies. It's all nonsense that we're not likely to convince many deceived thereby is not true. That's how these false gospels that are based on carnality work. They are cultish, deceiving, seducing, and they make those snared in them delusionary.

Revelation 19:19-20

• "And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.
• And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone."

Those who are deceived don't know that they are deceived because they do not stand on the Word of God alone as their ultimate authority. Therefore they are deceived by the words of men regarding physical famines, kingdoms, the Middle East, and the alleged upcoming so-called Gog and Magog War with Russians coming down on nation Israel that they "thought" is the apple of God's eyes. Because it takes the Spirit to believe what the Spirit says unto the churches.

Like I said many times, it is Spiritual discerned!

 

[Davidpt]

Premillennialists have been screaming that since the early years of TV hucksters like Jerry Falwell, Jim Bakker, and Pat Robertson, Gary Hunt, and the fables of the late, Great Planet Earth and Left Behind books and movies. It's all nonsense that we're not likely to convince many deceived thereby is not true. That's how these false gospels that are based on carnality work. They are cultish, deceiving, seducing, and they make those snared in them delusionary.

Revelation 19:19-20

• "And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.
• And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone."

Those who are deceived don't know that they are deceived because they do not stand on the Word of God alone as their ultimate authority. Therefore they are deceived by the words of men regarding physical famines, kingdoms, the Middle East, and the alleged upcoming so-called Gog and Magog War with Russians coming down on nation Israel that they "thought" is the apple of God's eyes. Because it takes the Spirit to believe what the Spirit says unto the churches.

Like I said many times, it is Spiritual discerned!

You have a right to your opinion. No one is obligated to agree with it, though.

 

[Randy Kluth]

Rebellion is all through the Amill Millennium. They don't like to admit that. There is zero rebellion in the Premill Millennium, and zero rebellion in Rev 20's Millennium. Rebellion in the Millennium only exists in the Amill Millennium.

Yes, it appears the Amil Millennium is a spiritualized rebellion--one that has been neutralized by a spiritualized Salvation. For Premils like myself, Salvation is as yet incomplete because we have not yet been glorified, and the nations have not yet been brought into conformity with Abraham's promises.

Salvation, as such, can refer to both a spiritual Salvation, such as Regeneration, or it can refer to a political Salvation, such as the deliverance of Israel from her enemies. For that matter, political Salvation can refer to the deliverance of Christian nations from aggressive pagan nations that attack them.

In the present age, there is no lasting political Salvation, even though there is a lasting spiritual Salvation. But the Millennial Age speaks of a comprehensive political Salvation, meaning that Christian nations are able to thrive, and international peace is assured. That certainly does not exist today!

 

[Davidpt]

Rebellion is all through the Amill Millennium. They don't like to admit that. There is zero rebellion in the Premill Millennium, and zero rebellion in Rev 20's Millennium. Rebellion in the Millennium only exists in the Amill Millennium.

So why are some of these Amils purposely misrepresenting Premil by claiming deception is rampant throughout Premil's proposed millennium? Especially when some of these Amils were Premil before they became Amil?

 

[TribulationSigns]

Isa 2:1-4
(1) The word that Isaiah the son of Amoz saw concerning Judah and Jerusalem.
(2) And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the LORD'S house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.
(3) And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.
(4) And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.

During the Millennial Kingdom, the church was not fighting against God. He is using the people of His Kingdom to plant for the Lord with the plowshares. Because Satan was bound or restrained. During the Millennial reign, the true children of the church were generally not fighting against God with their swords, but there was even in the days of the writing of the Bible, those who fought against God in the church. The idea is not that there was no declension in the church, but that it was being "restrained" because Satan was bound for the express purpose that the church could go to the ends of the earth planting, growing, and prosper so that the elect of nations of the world might also not be deceived along with the remnant Jewish saints. The nations would also be saved by the labors of the church through the power Christ in their witnessing. This is what the pruninghooks and plowshares are about! Now after all Elect has been secured, Revelation 7:1-4, Satan will be loosened once again for what purpose?

Revelation 20:2-3

• "And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
• And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season."

This millennial reign of Christ (The church age or period of time) among the nations is only possible because Satan was bound so that the nations could have their eyes opened that they are no longer deceived of him, and find peace with God just as the Jewish people did in the Old Testament. Thus God's children are made up of Jews and Gentiles, all in one body of Israel, Christ Jesus. This beginning by the Apostle Paul and the publishing the gospel to all the world.

Acts 13:47-49

• "For so hath the Lord commanded us, saying, I have set thee to be a light of the Gentiles, that thou shouldest be for salvation unto the ends of the earth.
• And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.
• And the word of the Lord was published throughout all the region."

You may wonder what will the Great Tribulation looks like after Satan is loosened. Keep it mind, since the world is already under Satan's camp, he is coming after the churches because they are the camps of the Saints. Here is what Satan will do in the church prior to Second Coming:
1st Timothy 4:1

• "Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;"

These doctrines of devils are false teachings in the church that wages war against the God of Israel through the spirit of the Antichrist. This language of people of the church "departing from the faith" foretells of those coming into it that are not of us, but have a form or likeness of Godliness but denying the Spirit because they have been seduced by the spirit of Antichrist. Therefore, iniquity that had been restrained by the Spirit of God (2nd Thessalonians) will now increase because the lack of the love of God has increased. This is the mystery of iniquity is hidden from them but NOW revealed to those who hear what the Spirit says unto the churches. For example, those who have the Spirit to receive the love of truth to be saved, having been sealed or secured of that same Spirit.

2nd Thessalonians 2:6-7

• "And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
• For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way."

That spirit of Satan that throughout the millennial reign of Christ had been withheld or restrained by Satan's binding, after the "thousand years" will be taken out of the midst of the corporate church and it will become as Babylon to be judged of God. Those who would not receive the love of truth that they might "actually become saved, will be judged therein. This is why in Revelation 9, where those who have NOT YET SEALED by God to go to church to seek salvation or have desire to be saved will not find it. They are being judged. WHILE the true chosen children of God will be called out of that fallen city to avoid the plagues of God upon His unfaithful church. This is why the MAJORITY of people of the congregation think that the prophecies is all about National Israel, not realize that its upon them!

I have explained the nature of "war and rumor of wars" of Matthew 24. It has nothing to do with physical wars you heard in the news. It is a spiritual war between Satan's force of false prophets and christs against the God's anointed people (Two Witnesses). Satan's force is "winning" which brings apostasy and desolatio9n to the congregation of God as a judgment.

Let me explain a bit on this. Just as Christ's first advent brought Old Testament Israel "peace with God" signified by the imagery of Isaiah chapter 2 declaring the people shall beat their swords into plowshares, illustrating the END of war and the beginning of plantings cultivating the world. Israel was comforted by the FIRST coming of Christ where her warfare with God was finished, IN CHRIST. Even as the prophecy of Isaiah 40:

Isaiah 40:1-3

• "Comfort ye, comfort ye my people, saith your God.
• Speak ye comfortably to Jerusalem, and cry unto her, that her warfare is accomplished, that her iniquity is pardoned: for she hath received of the LORD'S hand double for all her sins.
• The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the LORD, make straight in the desert a highway for our God."

Her warfare was accomplished or finished BECAUSE the Prince of Peace brought the banner of peace (Salvation) with God for them as they would now take the good news to the nations who formerly were adversarial to God. The same message we see in Revelation 20 of the Millennial reign of Christ when Satan is bound, so that the nations might not be deceived anymore for that thousand years. This is the thousand years where there is the accomplishment of the sealing of all Israel before these renewed wars and reports of wars when Satan is loosed. Selah! As he was only bound until "all Israel" were sealed (Revelation 7), THEN, and ONLY THEN, loosed of God as judgment after that thousand years.

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[TribulationSigns]

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Revelation 20:7-8

• "And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
• And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea."

This "battle" [polemos] is the warfare between man and God that was once ended at the Cross so that the millennial church could be built but AFTER all Elect are secured and the testimony of Salvation is finished, (Revelation 11:7), the professed Christians of the congregation who have not yet seal will turn their plowshares and pruninghooks BACK to swords to fight against God once again!

Joe 3:9-11
(9) Proclaim ye this among the Gentiles; Prepare war, wake up the mighty men, let all the men of war draw near; let them come up:
(10) Beat your plowshares into swords, and your pruninghooks into spears: let the weak say, I am strong.
(11) Assemble yourselves, and come, all ye heathen, and gather yourselves together round about: thither cause thy mighty ones to come down, O LORD.

The “Gentiles” here refers to the unsaved — in contrast to the chosen, who are counted as Jews in Christ. Since the Cross, true Christians have been running the Church. Yet, after all Elect has been secured, the false prophets, christs, and all professed Christians have grown strong — not because they are empowered by Christ, but because Satan gives his power to those who speak his word rather than God’s truth. That is the whole point!

In other words, this is a spiritual war, Armageddon, all over the world wherever the Churches are. They wage battle through false doctrine — the word of Satan — against Christ Himself. Understand this clearly: they fight Christ by attacking His witnesses, Acts 9:4-5, Matthew 25:40, Matthew 25:45. To attack His body or His "camps of the Saints" is to attack Christ Himself. Selah!

Despite some nonsenses from the Premillennialists, there will NOT be a literal scene of nations physically coming together down to national Israel, and shooting missiles at Christ in the sky. The warfare is spiritual. They fight against God through apostasy — by falling away from the truth. IN THE CHURCH! Not the Middle East!

Therefore, this great falling away ushers in the Lord’s Second Advent. That is the true sign of Christ’s return — not a physical military conflict in the Middle East (or a peace treaty with so-called one man antichrist), but a global rebellion against the truth of God... in the church. Remember judgment always come first in His House, the New Testament congregation, before the world at the Second Coming.

 

[TribulationSigns]

You have a right to your opinion. No one is obligated to agree with it, though.

Saying, “You have a right to your opinion,” is not a refutation. It is an avoidance.

I have presented a biblical position supported by Scripture. If you believe it is wrong, then show from the Bible where it is wrong. Quote the text. Explain the context. Demonstrate the error.

Simply labeling my argument as “opinion” without engaging the Scriptures does not disprove anything. It only shows that you have not answered the argument.

The issue is not my opinion or yours. The issue is: What saith the Scripture? Selah!

If you cannot gainsay or resist the biblical case presented, then dismissing it as “just an opinion” is not a defense — it is an admission that you have no scriptural rebuttal.

Truth is established by the Word of God, not by shrugging it off. If you disagree, then open the Bible and prove your case. Otherwise, your statement contributes nothing to the discussion. Period!

 

[WPM]

You just sound overly angry about there being other opinions. Am I wrong? Personally, I have no problem with you believing as you do. But I try to avoid characterizing your view in provocative terms.

My view of the Millennium is one of peace among nations. There has been peace among nations even in the present era, with flawed Christian nations and even with the presence of pagan nations. Peace is sometimes achievable. But with Satan bound in the Millennium, peace is imposed upon the world until after the 1000 years is up.

Yes, the final rebellion takes place *after* the 1000 years. I have no idea how long it takes to transpire. How long did it take for Adam's descendants to fall into total anarchy? It apparently took some time. But in the case of this final rebellion it is characterized as a relatively "short time."

Rev 20.3 He threw him into the Abyss, and locked and sealed it over him, to keep him from deceiving the nations anymore until the thousand years were ended. After that, he must be set free for a short time.

So, you are mischaracterizing my position. It is not *during the 1000 years that the rebellion takes place, but *after that* period of time that the rebellion shapes up and takes place. Yes, sin continues to exist in mankind all through the Millennial Age, just as it does today. But Satanic influence has been mitigated, and there is less pressure for international relations to explode into conflicts.

Therefore, it won't take long after Satan is released at the end of the 1000 years for trouble to erupt again internationally. How quickly large-scale wars have erupted in our current history. It will be no different after the release of Satan at the end of the 1000 years.

Hello! All these billions of Satanists (as the sand of the sea) live in your supposed millennium of peace and harmony acting live submissive subjects of your future kingdom, while all the time feigning their veneration of Christ. What a debacle! What a joke! These millennial mortals must qualify to be the most belligerent, stiff-necked, hard-nosed, stubborn, obstinate company of humans ever to grace this earth. They are way more intransigent than the Pharisees that only had 3 ½ years of resisting the person and ministry in his mortal body. For 1,000 years they refuse to receive the glorified Christ sitting in all His eternal majesty. How could they resist Him? How could they deny His authenticity?

 

[WPM]

Why didn't you use the spiritual key in Rev 20 to lock satan in the pit prison? Why would you only "bind" him? Why is satan not locked in that prison? He shouldn't even be around to be "bound" by you if this is the 1000 years because Rev 20 says he is bound at the very same time the 1000 years happens yet in your 1000 years he is actively attacking Christians who have to "bind" him themselves which does not imprison him at all. It's like catching a murderer then not locking him in jail.

In Revelation 20, we are looking at a vision about a dragon. Is this a literal dragon? Of course not. Satan is a spiritual being. It is a symbolic vision. The chain and key are also not literal and physical but symbolic.

• The dragon represents Satan.
• The angel is Christ.
• The chain represents restraint.
• The key represents authority.

John was given a symbolic picture of a dragon (yes a dragon) being placed into a prison with chains around him. Was this a literal dragon? No! Were these literal metal chain? Of course not. Was this a physical brick penitentiary? Of course not. This represented Satan being placed under spiritual restraint after the resurrection. The restraint related exclusively to the deception of the Gentiles. It allowed the Gospel to spread globally and Satan could not stop it. The Gentiles were blind, deceived and ignorant before the cross, since Christ’s victory and Satan's restraint the light has shone upon the Gentiles and countless have been set free.