The Lost sheep of Israel, even to this day.

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I like the fact that you give me such low hanging fruit.
#1 " True Jews" are Romans 2 Jews..... circumcised in the heart.

#2 National Israel fell because of their utter rebellion towards God . They lost their land and were dispersed as punishment. While there were periods of time when they were slaves, the general reaction towards these people was based upon WHAT THEY DID TO THE NATIONS THEY CREPT INTO AND TOOK CONTROL OF, politically, and financially, turning governments against their own people.

And it still goes on to this day. THE CURRENT DIVISION AMONGST US is their creation. They have control of our media, our government, our finances, our " entertainment" and our information networks.

The Russian people are the same stock as the Ukrainian people. WHY IN THE WORLD ARE THEY KILLING EACH OTHER? Because the indigenous people are not in control.

Sorry, This is the reality we live in.
The Bible tells us that the Israelites (real Jews) would be incarcerated (in prison) in great numbers, see Isaiah 42:22-23, "But this is a people robbed and spoiled; they are all of them snared in holes, and they are hid in prison houses: they are for a prey, and none delivereth; for a spoil, and none saith, restore." Now ask yourself what people do you know that is a minority in the country but a majority in the penal institution (jail)? Even the Lord wanted to know who in the future would see this kind of condition and recognize that this is talking about the real Israelites (blacks). Vs. 23, "who among you will give ear to this? Who will hearken and hear for the time to come?"

Let’s read the book of Obadiah, and it will tell you how the Israelites (real Jews) were captured and carried out of the land of Israel as slaves (captives) and how the nations went in and parted the land among them.

10 For thy violence against thy brother Jacob shame shall cover thee, and thou shalt be cut off for ever. 11 In the day that thou stoodest on the other side, in the day that the strangers carried away captive his forces, and foreigners entered into his gates, and cast lots upon Jerusalem, even thou wast as one of them. 12 But thou shouldest not have looked on the day of thy brother in the day that he became a stranger; neither shouldest thou have rejoiced over the children of Judah in the day of their destruction; neither shouldest thou have spoken proudly in the day of distress. 13 Thou shouldest not have entered into the gate of my people in the day of their calamity; yea, thou shouldest not have looked on their affliction in the day of their calamity, nor have laid hands on their substance in the day of their calamity; 14 neither shouldest thou have stood in the crossway, to cut off those of his that did escape; neither shouldest thou have delivered up those of his that did remain in the day of distress.

It clearly states that Edom, the descendants of Esau (those who currently claim to be Jews), caught those of the real Jews that did escape, and delivered them into the hands of the enemy. They also went into the gates of the Jews (cities) and laid hands on their substance (possessions, culture, books, etc.).
 

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When you said " The bible contains the word of God and that word was given to Israel and Israel only." You don't understand God's plan of salvation.

God gave His Word to all whom He came to save. The world has no desire to trust in His word let alone read it. Your "chosen people " have a religion that grossly perverts scripture, and also teaches that non- jews are animals, and that one day soon they will have rulership over us. So please, enough of this special treatment for these people.
For what purpose did the Lord choose the children of Israel? (Exodus 19: 1-6) Let's look at the 5th & 6th vs.; "Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine: (6th vs.) and ye shall be unto me a Kingdom of Priest, and a holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel." Take a look at what Peter was telling the Jews, quoting Moses in 1 Peter 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:

What is the law that the people of God are to observe? (Exodus 20: 1-23) The Ten Commandments, God descended from heaven and spoke his commandments face to face with his people.

Is this law for the children of Israel only? No. (Leviticus 24: 22) "Ye shall have one manner of law, as well for the stranger, as for one of your own country: For I am the Lord your God."

How can one who is not of the lineage of Israel, become partakers of the covenant of God? (Ephesians 2:11-22) Let's look at the 11th through 13th verses. "Wherefore remember, that ye being in the time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called uncircumcision by that which is called the circumcision in the flesh made by hands; (12th vs.) That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenant of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world: (13th vs.) But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ."

Paul says in Romans 3: 1 What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision? 2 Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of God. 3 For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect? 4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written,
 

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I don't know what Old Testament you are reading, but the nation of Israel rejected God .....read much of Jeremiah? The exception is the remnant saved by grace, the spiritual seed of Abraham.

The only promise that God made for the nation of Israel is Jesus Christ. And they didn't want Him.Even to this day ( although in theory the Israel of today has no historical connection with Old Testament Israel).
Let's read the future prophecy in Deuteronomy 30: 1 And it shall come to pass, when all these things are come upon thee, the blessing and the curse, which I have set before thee, and thou shalt call them to mind among all the nations, whither the LORD thy God hath driven thee, 2 and shalt return unto the LORD thy God, and shalt obey his voice according to all that I command thee this day, thou and thy children, with all thine heart, and with all thy soul; 3that then the LORD thy God will turn thy captivity, and have compassion upon thee, and will return and gather thee from all the nations, whither the LORD thy God hath scattered thee. 4 If any of thine be driven out unto the outmost parts of heaven, from thence will the LORD thy God gather thee, and from thence will he fetch thee: 5 and the LORD thy God will bring thee into the land which thy fathers possessed, and thou shalt possess it; and he will do thee good, and multiply thee above thy fathers.
 

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The Bible tells us that the Israelites (real Jews) would be incarcerated (in prison) in great numbers, see Isaiah 42:22-23, "But this is a people robbed and spoiled; they are all of them snared in holes, and they are hid in prison houses: they are for a prey, and none delivereth; for a spoil, and none saith, restore." Now ask yourself what people do you know that is a minority in the country but a majority in the penal institution (jail)? Even the Lord wanted to know who in the future would see this kind of condition and recognize that this is talking about the real Israelites (blacks). Vs. 23, "who among you will give ear to this? Who will hearken and hear for the time to come?"

Let’s read the book of Obadiah, and it will tell you how the Israelites (real Jews) were captured and carried out of the land of Israel as slaves (captives) and how the nations went in and parted the land among them.

10 For thy violence against thy brother Jacob shame shall cover thee, and thou shalt be cut off for ever. 11 In the day that thou stoodest on the other side, in the day that the strangers carried away captive his forces, and foreigners entered into his gates, and cast lots upon Jerusalem, even thou wast as one of them. 12 But thou shouldest not have looked on the day of thy brother in the day that he became a stranger; neither shouldest thou have rejoiced over the children of Judah in the day of their destruction; neither shouldest thou have spoken proudly in the day of distress. 13 Thou shouldest not have entered into the gate of my people in the day of their calamity; yea, thou shouldest not have looked on their affliction in the day of their calamity, nor have laid hands on their substance in the day of their calamity; 14 neither shouldest thou have stood in the crossway, to cut off those of his that did escape; neither shouldest thou have delivered up those of his that did remain in the day of distress.

It clearly states that Edom, the descendants of Esau (those who currently claim to be Jews), caught those of the real Jews that did escape, and delivered them into the hands of the enemy. They also went into the gates of the Jews (cities) and laid hands on their substance (possessions, culture, books, etc.).
You said: " Now ask yourself what people do you know that is a minority in the country but a majority in the penal institution (jail)?"

That's so untrue. There are practically no jews in jail. The ones that are were not able to flee back to Israel, FACT. Many of the higher profile offenders have DUAL CITIZENSHIP. And quite frankly most jews are on the other side of the law as judges and lawyers.

Black youth make up the largest percentage of a minority being overrepresented in our penal system, and it is a tragedy.

The Old Testament verses you are quoting have to do with the remnant of jews and Gentiles saved by grace who will have deliverance in Jesus Christ. Everything points to the Cross, my friend. Sometimes the language is hard to understand, but we know beyond the shadow of a doubt that God's plan of salvation always leads to redemption in Christ Jesus, and has nothing to do with a "special promise" to a nation or bloodline. That's foolishness at the very least and at worst of all it's an offence to what Jesus has accomplished at the Cross. There's only ONE way.
 

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You said: " Now ask yourself what people do you know that is a minority in the country but a majority in the penal institution (jail)?"

That's so untrue. There are practically no jews in jail. The ones that are were not able to flee back to Israel, FACT. Many of the higher profile offenders have DUAL CITIZENSHIP. And quite frankly most jews are on the other side of the law as judges and lawyers.

Black youth make up the largest percentage of a minority being overrepresented in our penal system, and it is a tragedy.

The Old Testament verses you are quoting have to do with the remnant of jews and Gentiles saved by grace who will have deliverance in Jesus Christ. Everything points to the Cross, my friend. Sometimes the language is hard to understand, but we know beyond the shadow of a doubt that God's plan of salvation always leads to redemption in Christ Jesus, and has nothing to do with a "special promise" to a nation or bloodline. That's foolishness at the very least and at worst of all it's an offence to what Jesus has accomplished at the Cross. There's only ONE way.
I just saw this : "It clearly states that Edom, the descendants of Esau (those who currently claim to be Jews),"
Well I partially agree here. The " jews" of the world today are descendants of Eastern European converts to Judaism. To come from a bloodline that clearly traces back to the Old Testament Israelites it pretty much impossible.

Hebrews have been mixing with other nations since the time of Moses. It was ( and is ) a common practice to marry into influential non- jewish families to gain power.
 

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Is it possible that the reason Israel avoided intermarriage with other ethnic groups was to preserve the knowledge of the Messiah beyond time, ensuring the birth of Jesus Christ?

Or, even if Israel had intermarried with other ethnic groups, would Jesus Christ still have been destined to be born, or might He have been born regardless?

Sounds stupid ? After all, Jesus Christ has been destined to be born.
 

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Is it possible that the reason Israel avoided intermarriage with other ethnic groups was to preserve the knowledge of the Messiah beyond time, ensuring the birth of Jesus Christ?

Or, even if Israel had intermarried with other ethnic groups, would Jesus Christ still have been destined to be born, or might He have been born regardless?

Sounds stupid ? After all, Jesus Christ has been destined to be born.
Not stupid at all. It's a spiritual seed as well as physical in which Christ came. Throughout Israel's history, there was always a remnant from each tribe that was faithful to God , covered by the blood of Christ.

God was angry with Israel mixing with other nations, as they were commanded to destroy them. They ended up worshipping their gods, with the exception of a faithful few. .
 
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You said: " Now ask yourself what people do you know that is a minority in the country but a majority in the penal institution (jail)?"

That's so untrue. There are practically no jews in jail. The ones that are were not able to flee back to Israel, FACT. Many of the higher profile offenders have DUAL CITIZENSHIP. And quite frankly most jews are on the other side of the law as judges and lawyers.

Black youth make up the largest percentage of a minority being overrepresented in our penal system, and it is a tragedy.
Those are the real Jews, you are paying attention to what you are reading! The Bible tells us that the Israelites (real Jews) would be incarcerated (in prison) in great numbers, see Isaiah 42:22-23, "But this is a people robbed and spoiled; they are all of them snared in holes, and they are hid in prison houses: they are for a prey, and none delivereth; for a spoil, and none saith, restore." Now ask yourself what people do you know that is a minority in the country but a majority in the penal institution (jail)? Even the Lord wanted to know who in the future would see this kind of condition and recognize that this is talking about the real Israelites (blacks). Vs. 23, "who among you will give ear to this? Who will hearken and hear for the time to come?"

The God of Israel (The God of the Bible) pronounced a sentence upon Israel. He told them that if they would not keep his laws and abide by his rules, he would curse them, telling them exactly what would befall them. Israel broke his laws and did not keep his rules, so the Lord cursed them as he said he would. (See Deuteronomy 28th chapter).

In the 28th chapter, it should be understood that a lot of these things happened over the course of many years, continuing down to our time. Because this curse was pronounces upon us when Israel first became a nation, many of these curses occurred before our time and we don't recognize some of them, but some we do. Those we recognize are the ones that we will point out. The Lord said these curses will be upon us for a sign and wonder; (sign means to identify and wonder is to ask why).

See Deuteronomy 28, verses 28-30: "the Lord shall smite thee with madness", meaning you will be constantly angry because of the conditions; "blindness", having no knowledge of your history and self; "astonishment of heart", meaning always greatly surprised and amazed at your condition; "thou shalt grope at noonday as the blind gropeth in darkness", meaning to feel about or search or seek with blindness, and not certain or don't know what you are looking for (as if you were looking for something in a dark place and had no light); "thou shall not prosper in thy ways; and thou shall be only oppressed and spoiled evermore, and no man shall save thee; thou shall betroth a wife and another man shall lie with her; thou shall build a house and thou shall not dwell therein; thou shalt plant vineyards and shalt not gather the grapes thereof", meaning you work, but someone else will reap the proceeds; "thy sons and thy daughters shall be given unto another people and thine eyes shall look and fail with longing for them all the day long; and there shall be no might in thine hand", meaning your children will be sold and you will see them being sold by someone else and will not be able to do anything about it (remember Roots and "Slave Trading"); "the fruit of thy land and all thy labors shall a nation which thou knowest not eat up: and thou shalt be only oppressed and crushed alway.....thou shalt be mad for the sight of thine eyes which thou shalt see."

Now just look around you, and look back at what happened to black people and what is happening to black people. Now, are we getting a fair chance, or equal opportunity to excel as the whites or the so-called Jews? Why is it that the so-called Jews are granted immediate citizenship when they migrate from other parts of the world? Why is it that any other nationality or race of people is accepted into this country, granted citizenship, and is exempted from paying taxes for a set period of years? The latest, among the foreigners that were granted this luxury are the Cubans, which are mostly Castilian, but the Haitians from the island of Haiti, which are blacks (part of the lost tribes of Israel) were caged up like animals and sent back to their oppression. Also, consider the poor blacks here, (being that the majority of us are worse off than a lot of immigrants), who were brought here against our will. Why aren't we exempted from paying taxes for the same period of years? Why aren't we compensated for now our ancestors were treated in the past? Have you ever wondered about these things? Surely you can't say it's because we are equally treated as the white American born citizens. Have you ever wondered why there are places like Haiti, Jamaica, South America and the Bahamas? Did you know that all of those places were slave camps, and that blacks were carried there to work and to produce while the whites reaped the proceeds! The Bible prophesied this concerning Israel/Jews Black Americans and blacks from the above mentioned slave camps must be Israelites then!


The Old Testament verses you are quoting have to do with the remnant of jews and Gentiles saved by grace who will have deliverance in Jesus Christ. Everything points to the Cross, my friend. Sometimes the language is hard to understand, but we know beyond the shadow of a doubt that God's plan of salvation always leads to redemption in Christ Jesus, and has nothing to do with a "special promise" to a nation or bloodline. That's foolishness at the very least and at worst of all it's an offence to what Jesus has accomplished at the Cross. There's only ONE way.
 

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I think Romans 11:25 tells us why this is so with the Jews.
God's will. He affected a partial hardening of their hearts until the fullness of the Gentiles comes into God's kingdom.
Do you believe that when Jesus comes all the jews are going to become saved? I don't see that in scripture.
 

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Just look at verse 26 in Romans 11.
I have for many years now. " All Israel" can only mean one thing: all of God's elect, jew and Gentile. " And so ( "so" meaning in this manner) all Israel shall be saved. In verse 27 God's covenant with" them" is referring to all believers, because there is only one covenant that was made to take away sins .
 
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I have for many years now. " All Israel" can only mean one thing: all of God's elect, jew and Gentile. " And so ( "so" meaning in this manner) all Israel shall be saved. In verse 27 God's covenant with" them" is referring to all believers, because there is only one covenant that was made to take away sins .
Agreed. Galatians 3:28 and Romans 2:28-29